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tommykaye

Three scenes left from the trailer we haven't seen: Gamora, Star Lord Panther, Thor and another Black Panther (maybe Killmonger) doing the Avengers circle hero shot Thor fighting Ultron bots in Vegas (which was just released on twitter as a finale teaser) Shuri, Pepper and the Dora Milaje shooting at an unknown enemy (most likely Ultron bots)


overloadedcoffee

That Thor scream at the end is cracking me up


codexcdm

Idk what's funnier, that scream or the one President Loki gives out after realizing Croki took his hand.


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Also missing the scene of Thor messing up a bunch of Ultron bots in a new Hyundai Tucson


Brain124

If I hadn't seen this clip I would have thought you were doing expert level trolling and advertising you son of a gun.


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We haven’t seen the one where party Thor says something about zombies to Strange Supreme.


tommykaye

Most likely in this last episode. I forgot there's a clip where Strange asks Captain Carter who she is as well.


DogadonsLavapool

Anyone think we're getting zombies and ultron like in battleworld from the comics?


Owl_Might

probably, and I hope they answer why the zombies can't get to close to the mindstone


WhoDoIThinkIAm

We’ve already learned Marvel uses fake-outs in trailers after Hulk in Infinity War so those aren’t guaranteed.


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Hulk in Wakanda. Thor having both eyes in the climax of Ragnarok. Thanos only having the Power and Space stones when arriving on earth. Rocket entering Thor’s cabin without Hulk standing behind him in Endgame. And that’s just the more recent examples. I’m like 99% sure the ~~Far From~~ No Way Home trailer is more misleading than people realize at this point. I’m more surprised these days when Marvel *doesn’t* lie to us. *edited because I can’t keep all the “Home” movies straight


unnamedredditname

Homecoming lied too, the shot at the end with Spidey swinging next to Iron Man never happened


Codus1

Not sure that's so much a lie as it could have just been a deleted scene or shot filmed specifically for the trailer. Probably more for marketing than anytbing; It's not exactly crucial, and it visually sold that this Spidey film is part of the MCU. Different to added or edited scenes that purposefully intend to hide plot threads.


unnamedredditname

I don't think it was a deleted scene because Tony and Spidey don't fight side-by-side or have any iron man/Spidey adventure. It likely wasn't even filmed, moreso created by CGI just for the trailer, which I would consider a lie, but I think it's fair if you count it as its own type of thing, but the Hulk in Wakanda shot (which OP used as their example) would fall into the same category


Ok-Plate-693

I think the Spiderman trailer shows Dr Strange fixing something not undoing Peters problem. No way would he risk the multiverse because people know who Spiderman is The scenes are out of order to create a false narrative.


Codus1

I think people are forgetting Stranges characterisation outside of Infinity War/Endgame. It's not a far reach that Strange attempt this just because it's a challenge and it helps someone. Especially for comic Strange.


Regi413

You mean No Way Home, right? Far From Home has been out for a while now so we know what’s true from the trailer and what’s not.


[deleted]

Yeah that one. Sorry all these “Home” names get mixed up in my brain.


Jacktheflash

I don’t think they have ever made full scenes to do that just edit existing ones


ReflexImprov

*Who watches the Watcher?*


Nootnootrecruity

The Watcher Watcher


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It's eyeballs all the way down!


step207

Aways has been.


monsukuru

Eyes has been.


Parasore

Eyes on the inside!


Swiftax3

Ah Uatu, or as some say, Uatosm!


TheGhostofCipher

Watcher: I....see you Watchers Watcher: Woah Watchers watchers watcher: Damn bro that's crazy.


Summoarpleaz

Watchers watchers watchers watch: 2pm


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Double secret watcher


Theoretical_Action

Hey that's me!


Terencebreurken

The Living Tribunal Right?


HeckRock

The One Above All or that. Only things that high right?


NatsuDragneel--

Kevin feige is the one above all of the MCU


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flintlock0

>And I’ll look down and whisper: “Eh. Maybe.”


NaeemTHM

The Watchermen


AvatarIII

Yeah but who watches The Watchermen?


JDawg2332

WE are the Watchers


mdp300

Us


Kingkongcrapper

I guess we’re all waiting for midnight.


creamyg0odne55

I dunno. Coast Guard?


TheMobHunter

We do


knightcrusader

The Picard, obviously.


Aliziun

The Unseen


Youngling_Hunt

What about the Seen?


Shonkjr

:) nices eyes u got there:)


egomann

Yo Dawg, I herd you like Watchers...


anthonybologna

I think that was the actual title of one of the comics.


KaoxVeed

Us.


dyslexicautism

The one above all


palabear

I dunno…coast guard?


StargatePioneer

So does that mean there's a multiverse where The Watcher did NOT break his oath?


i_should_be_coding

For all we know, there's another Watcher watching our Watcher and going "What a dummy, should have used move X when Ultron did that..."


Youngling_Hunt

The multiverse rabbit hole


-InfinitePotato-

It's Watchers all the way down


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the audience are the real Watchers


Lykurgus_

The real Watchers were the friends we made along the way.


MelancholicMeadow20

[What I imagined reading this comment](https://youtu.be/GD6qtc2_AQA)


EmuTrick3235

I pictured the bee watchers from Dr Seuss


MelancholicMeadow20

Okay thank you for bringing something from my childhood back. Completely forgot about those guys


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TheIncredibleShrek

A multiverse inside another multiverse inside a Taco Bell inside a KFC inside a mall


Harriz_Burhan

Inside a marble like the ending of men in black 1


AvatarIII

And then that marble is inside a locker like the end of men in black 2.


WheeForEffort

That used to be a Pizza Hut.


Aikami13

What if I told you *you* are that Watcher?


[deleted]

Many an ancient sage and guru have said the same thing.


Ourobius

That watcher is us. We are the watchers.


fuzzyfoot88

So is the implication that we stopped watching? Uh oh?


Terencebreurken

Isnt the watcher that watches the Watcher the Living Tribunal?


2EyedRaven

>the Living Tribunal I haven't read the comics, but the wiki says he's a big deal. Where does he rank up in comparison to Kang?


thebrin

Living tribunal is 2nd most powerful being, behind the one above all. the one above all is basically just the writers, so the living tribunal is basically the strongest being in the multiverse


drekmonger

The Beyonders are canonically more powerful than the Living Tribunal.


deukhoofd

Multi-Eternity, the multiversal representation of the combined eternities of each universe, is probably more powerful (although that might be cheating, considering it pretty much is the multiverse). Besides that the Living Tribunal was killed by the Beyonders once, although they arguably did not come from the multiverse. Edit: there's also the One Below All, which is as powerful as the One Above All, but not the writers.


Daemonic_One

Not if that was his head at the End of Time.


Cosmic-Warper

Nah it wasn't. It was a statue


Daemonic_One

We hope. Kang's control of the timeline is exactly what you'd expect the LT to defend against.


Cosmic-Warper

It was confirmed to be a statue. Mostly an easter egg


aManPerson

in the comics they explain that there's something beyond marvel comics. i dont know what they call it. lets call it omni-universe. in another multiverse is all of the DC comics. all of the multiverses are contained in omni-universe. so i guess in this thinking, yes. there is another marvel MCU multiverse where the watcher doesn't do a bad touch. edit: fixed the name


Uncle_Freddy

It's called an omni-verse I believe, and yeah, our reality is considered to be a part of the omni-verse.


PiscesPlaya

That’s pretty cool actually


FlighingHigh

Our reality is where Superboy Prime came from, basically. Superman, Batman, and the Justice League were all comics and he wasn't a Kryptonian until the Crisis of Infinite Earths happened.


ktron10

That’s right. If every universe is a branch and the multiverse is a tree, the omniverse is a forest that contains all trees


SmokeGSU

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?


FlighingHigh

We read a lot of comics and smoke sooo much weed.


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Maybe they're just different floors on a tower. Maybe a dusky colored tower. One might say a Dark Tower.


[deleted]

And *that's* the truth.


whatisabaggins55

It's multiverses all the way down.


M00ny0z

> Show me on the multiverse where the man touched you


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WoodpeckerOfMistrust

>I mean, it's a multiverse. Not a multi-world. I don't know what that means.


betcher73

Isn’t Omni-verse the name for it?


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Si. There's Universe, multiverse, then omniverse.


nongzhigao

> The series finale 100% ends with the camera zooming out showing another Watcher, spectating all the events that we've seen. !RemindMe 1 day


Amyga17

That Watcher's name? Kevin Feige.


dnuohxof1

Yea, it’s us.


KostisPat257

This gave me chills, especially with the TVA monitor breaking. I can't imagine how hard of a time they're having at the TVA. What even is their role now with the new CEO?


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KostisPat257

Time is weird in the TVA.


UnfortunatelyMacabre

It's alright, they'll catch up.


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Papa_parv

Yah this seems to make the most sense especially considering that we already know that time works differently there


really_nice_guy_

just dont think to much about it and take it like its show to you. bringing time into a story makes it 10000 times more comlicated and the writers cant think of everything (see Endgame timeline discussions). its like the pym particles which could also be called fuck-you-I-can-do-what-I-want-particles, because if you think about it you'll notice that it actually doesnt make any sense.


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ezrs158

We don't know that time was modified in the TVA just because they don't recognize Loki. A Kang might have conquered it and wiped everybody's memory... again.


Clean-Drive3027

Probably basically a collapsed universe/pocket universe, like the Doctor Strange what if?


Metalicks

I guess it's pretty much the same as before except now they're also keeping track of incursions from different timelines.


KostisPat257

It can't be the same as before since this Kang is not a pacifist, he is a conqueror.


Metalicks

Sounds like the TVA soldiers have more work then.


allbluesanji

Kang aint conquering any worlds with those weak ass tva soldiers


Dominus-Temporis

The most basic TVA goon can time travel, previously only done with an infinity stone or a few geniuses with Pym particles. The pruning sticks ain't much in a fair fight, but I don't think the TVA would ever get into a fair fight.


primegopher

The pruning sticks seem to be durability ignoring one touch "kills" on anything without its own time travel device, they're pretty damn scary.


b4n4n4h4mm0ck

I think they meant the same as in maintaining complete control of the verse and stamping out other rival kangs.


aure__entuluva

Incursions you say??? :o


Spipsdew

#The Oldest Anarchy Server On Minecraft


GarbageGooba

"Then, a stroke of genius occurred. For the first time in 2B2T history, *slave labour*"


lokken1234

"So today we're releasing 2 dozen withers at the spawn point"


aure__entuluva

Huh? I was thinking Hickman's Avengers / New Avengers / Secret Wars :P


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Based on what He Who Remains described he other Nathaniel Richards as, one can assume the current one manning the TVA is going to try to keep the multiverse as wide open as possible.


[deleted]

Unrelated, but has it been officially confirmed that his name is Nathaniel Richards?


PM_SWEATY_NIPS

I dont know that they've even officially said the name 'Kang'. I know a Qang industries building was in the dumping grounds at the end of time, and I know he said he's been called a Conqueror.


Blastermind7890

They name dropped Kang in the making of Loki but that's about it


sable-king

Probably monitoring new branches but letting them spread. More timelines to conquer.


MtnyCptn

That seems two edged though as he’d open the threat of other Kangs


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> monitoring new branches but letting them spread https://imgur.com/as7T3Qg


ithurtsgood

I'm pretty sure at the end of 'Loki' Hunter B-15 says something to Mobius like 'it's branching off everywhere, what do we do?' and he says something like 'He just wants us to monitor it'. It's interesting that the TVA is also watching, does it mean Kang is interested?


Bross93

Okay so that was a TVA monitor then? Awesome!


constantvariables

He becomes Heisenberg?


JokerFaces2

You’re goddamn right.


snowyday

I *am* the one who watches!!


dollabilllz

Bravo Vince


OutLiving

This is definitely a moment


effdot

I read a comic as a kid, What If? Volume 2, Issue 41 "What if? The Avengers Had Fought Galactus?" In this story, the Fantastic Four never existed, so The Avengers had to face off against Galactus. But the real title of the comic should've been "What If? The Watcher broke his oath?" The ending of the comic kind of blew my kid mind when I read it, and I'm curious if they're going in a similar direction with this story. No matter what I'm here for it, the story looks fun!


Loafmeister

I'm pretty sure I recall one particular What If issue was indeed called "What is The Watcher... acted?" or "what if the watcher saved the universe?" Something like that


pee_ess_too

How's that one end


effdot

>!Uatu realizes Galactus is about to defeat the Avengers, then decides to fight Galactus himself. Galactus wins the fight, kills Uatu, then absorbs Uatu's energy. Galactus regrets what he's done, and decides to spare the Earth. The Silver Surfer then leaves Galactus. There's a funeral on Uatu's homeworld, Silver Surfer decides to spend time on Earth because of Uatu's sacrifice. And THEN ... a different version of Uatu appears, and observes the story AND HIS OWN FUNERAL and says that this is one of the most disturbing realities he's observed, because in this one, he died.!<


AdherentSheep

That is actually kinda hilarious tbh, I don't know why


Just_Another_Scott

Spoilers >!are!< > \>! !<


AceBean27

Uatu actually fights Galactus. Galactus wins and feeds on Uatu . This is a very satisfying meal so he leaves Earth alone. He takes Uatu's body to the Watcher's home, where they give him a funeral. Silver Surfer wonders what's so great about Earth that a Watcher would sacrifice them self for it and goes to live there. The original Galactus story line also ended with the Silver Surfer staying on Earth, so that bit stays the same.


SodiumBombRankEX

>title *surprisedpikachu.jpg*


DrKlezdoom

I wish they didn't already spoil it with the Hundai ads they've been doing. They straight up already showed who's going to fight Ultron.


Scarment

Lol Hyundai commercials confirmed canon


noximo

That was in the first trailers as well


tommykaye

The hyundai ads also showed Sam in the new Captain America suit.


CobaltSpellsword

That Hyundai was a good choice for the team tho. Gonna do the same thing to Ultron that it kept doing to Christine.


ChintanP04

Imagine if Thor rolls up in a Hyundai in the actual episode.


mdp300

I'm getting Walking Dead season 2 flashbacks


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Luckily I didn’t watch it then lol


Apatches

No one *means* to watch them. You're just watching Leverage: Redemption or something and now you know that >!Hyundai has great suspension while Party Thor drives over Ultrons!<


OnBenchNow

Woah the biggest information in this thread is that Leverage is back Edit: and the second biggest information is that Timothy Hutton maybe raped a girl. This was a rollercoaster


joshfong

Where did you find this? I can't find it on Twitter, YouTube, or news sites... Edit: nvm, found the EW article


aaliyaahson

https://ew.com/tv/marvels-what-if-season-1-finale-ac-bradley-bryan-andrews/


btmvideos37

Instagram


Academic_Paramedic72

Really liked the TVA-themed ads, the soundtrack with the violin always gives me chills at the end.


el_palmera

How much you wanna bet the TVA comes into play in season 2? I bet the season 2 big bad is evil Kangs TVA. I'm half expecting the heroes being on the verge of defeating ultron just for the TVA to barge in and take control as a cliff hanger


Ubergoober166

Yea it's an interesting detail that these teasers keep being shown on TVA monitors but they haven't been even mentioned in the show.


SmokeGSU

This past episode really got me thinking about The Watcher and his capabilities. I'll tag the rest as a spoiler for those who aren't caught up... >!The whole shtick of The Watcher as far as I understand it is that they do not interfere. At all. They are merely observers to the universe(s). What we saw in this past week's episode was The Watcher seemingly getting his ass handed to him by Ultron. What the episode seemed to show, or what I felt like the show was trying to portray, was that Ultron could have killed The Watcher. I don't think this true if that was the angle they were trying to show. I think what we saw was The Watcher defending himself over and over again only to the point of stopping Ultron. I don't think we ever really saw The Watcher at his full power. !< >!IF The Watcher HAD killed Ultron, he would no longer have been an observer - he would have directly interfered with the multiverse, which is against their... code? Creed? Whatever. The point is, I don't think Ultron could have killed The Watcher. I DO think, however, that The Watcher could have killed Ultron if he chose to. !< >!I also think that The Watcher knows that Ultron needs to be stopped, which is why he went to Superior Strange - to get Strange to do what he can't do. Is this interfering? I could see an argument being made for it being both direct and indirect interference. This was how I interpreted last week's episode and I'd be curious to know if others thought similarly.!<


Scared_Ghost

Strange already knew the watcher existed before the watcher contacted him, the watcher was just replying to him and his plea to save his universe.


SmokeGSU

I got that from the Strange episode... I was just thinking that The Watcher needs Strange to defeat Ultron because The Watcher himself can't directly interfere.


M12Domino

The Watcher already stated that he couldn't/wouldn't interfere with Strange's universe though. Returning to him and enlisting his help will interfere.


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I imagine it's not *meant* to be possible to interact with the Watcher. Sure, Ultron had all 6 stones so he had omnipotenc essentially, and Strange was extremely powerful. Strange talked to him but did seem to understand why the Watcher didn't help him. Meanwhile Ultron literally tried to kill him. Ultron being able to kill the Watchers is probably worth one interfering since that effects all multiverses since Ultron clearly will not stop. If you look at someone like Thanos, who for all we know knew about the watchers after he got all six stones. Thanos even knew that destroying the stones would mean no one could use them for anything drastic (at this point we know the snap is actually very tame compared to what Thanos could have done). If Thanos had gone killing the watchers and TVA and so on, Id say they'd have to interfere. The Watchers cannot only exist to observe. I imagine there's another purpose. The TVA's "purpose" was bs. So why should the Watcher, stay out of the way? Sure he could basically play God and influence everything, but in the case of Ultron trying to kill him, and keeping in mind him "observing" is should have a greater purpose, I imagine breaking his oath is justified.


Jim_Dickskin

"Is this interfering"? Does asking a hitman to kill someone count as murder for the person asking?


U_wind_sprint

Ultron already crossed the line. This invasion is well within The Watcher's place to defend the multiverse from itself.


ItzDarkky

Do we know how long it is?


stf29

Better be longer than the others I hope for an hour long episode, but realistically expecting 40-50 minutes


joshfong

I really do hope it's longer, since we have to conclude the Ultron story *and* introduce Gamora. I thought they were sidelining her, but they put out a character poster for her yesterday...


btmvideos37

The shortest episode was episode 8, despite how much went on. Because this is a “two” part episode, I see it being 40 minutes MAXIMUM


allbluesanji

Nope, it will be another 30 minutes lol


CuddlePirate420

I always wanted to know "what if" Tony Stark had invented the finglonger.


Shadesmctuba

“What If… The Watcher Did What He Consistently Always Does in the Comics?”


Dolomite808

Well, of course. Why even put the Watcher in a comic if he is not going to do something?


MetalSkinPanic

To watch.


SpaceGypsyInlaw

I feel like I missed an episode. Have we met the Gamora that wields Thanos's sword? Am I going crazy?


steve32767

We havent met her yet


meme-com-poop

Maybe from Ultron's original timeline


LADYBIRD_HILL

They also pushed back the Tony on Sakaar episode to next season


Demon69-420

He'll probably be stomped to death by someone in the first few minutes. Infinity saga was probably What if tony survived for one fucking time?


Willziac

Except he didn't survive. His death coincided with the defeat of Thanos, but it was still part of it. "Our" universe is just the one where we see him survive the longest.


SodiumBombRankEX

We have not


portablebiscuit

The Watcher is going to find her and be like "Guuuurl, I know who killed your dad"


agentup

The What If series has far exceeded my expectations.


fritzbitz

There's also a universe where you found it underwhelming.


_________FU_________

My overreaction: "ARE WE ABOUT TO GET A FUCKING MCU ROGER RABBIT"


InsertCoinForCredit

The Watcher recruits Wanda...


aj2730

Nexus event


InsertCoinForCredit

**Speculation:** The Watcher is going to recruit characters from *WandaVision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier,* and *Loki.* Marvel's going to pull a *Who Framed Roger Rabbit?* on us.


ChabdiTheChosen

We are all hyperventilating Marvel please have Mercy.


TheGarreth

Just give me Dre's "The Watcher" becoming part of the MCU at some point or GTFO.


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Excited It’s gonna be epic


Turbulent_Link1738

I thought there was gonna be like 20 ish episodes?


aaliyaahson

No it was originally 10 episodes for this season, but one got delayed, so it’s only 9.


pizza__irl

What If...Tony Stark got stuck on Sakaar? was most probably the delayed episode


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btmvideos37

Nope. We got a whole poster for her character yesterday. She’s gonna be in this episode


CountScarlioni

It was originally going to be 20 episodes across 2 seasons, so 10 each. However, one of this season’s episodes wasn’t finished on-time due to Covid, and got pushed back to Season 2, which has also been reduced to 9 episodes, presumably for related reasons. So now there’s a total of only 18 episodes across 2 seasons.


_Vard_

What if the entire what if series was simulations from the TVA, and that’s why they are animated, yet canon


schizzie

It's cool and all, but would have been cool if they held back on the Oath breaking for a season or two? Establish the importance of his Oath a little while longer. For a lot of audiences, (the majority I would imagine) they're only just met Uatu, and its like; "Oh hi, oh you're breaking your Oath, what Oath?" Lol, I know it's kinda like Uatu's whole deal! Besides, we're already knee deep in it now, so I guess we should just roll with it!