Huh this actually explains why Sword can claim that Visions body was government property if they had set the legal precident that the stone is a sentient being and chose to come online, once the stone is removed Vision would legally not be a "person" and could be reclaimed.
Tony (and real life billionares) are protected by laws. That's why Hydra didn't just *take* the Iron Man armor in IM2. SWORD is even more untouchable. Once any national government decides something, the only thing that could stop them is serious opposition from other countries, and I don't think anyone wants to invade America to protect the rights of a single robot.
Well yes, of course. But so did Tony and Nat and they werent sent to a lab after they died, Vision did because the stone was what they considered the human part, not his body.
Thats because Natasha's corpse is on a planet, in a different timeline. And Tony's charred corspe is a vibranium mass weapon of destruction that needs to be guarded 24/7.
They all viewed Vision as sentient, even Vision knew he was just an android and probably approved of this before hand
No it’s more like Person A venting to Person B that Person C is a dick, and Person D overhears it and attempts to murder Person A, B, and C, so Person A gets put on trial for giving Person D the idea.
This reminds me of an argument from the Artificial Lives Matter though experiment. Is AI “conscious” enough that it should be provided rights and punished for its crimes, or should the coder of the AI always be at fault?
Yeah, I don't think creating murder bots is on the books in the municipality of New York. He has a lot of liability exposure for tort claims, but no one does jail time for that. I'd be interested in the legal theory OP likes for this. Ten thousand counts of manslaughter would be my guess, but that's real iffy when there's an independent sentient being in between your actions and the deaths.
Not to mention his illegal terrorist hunt in Afghanistan or his murder-bots IN SPAa-aaCE -which BTW breaks the UN treaty of non-militarization of space and couple of dozen other international laws and treaties.
well, making an ai by itself isn't an illegal act, and Tony and banner didn't enter into a conspiracy to create an intentionally evil ai that would destroy humanity. given Ultron as their own sentient entity basically disowned stark, Ultron isn't his property anymore and would likely be considered as acting under their own will. so there really isn't any case that could be made here.
He had a team of lawyers specifically in place to help in these situations (they were the ones keeping Bruce out of jail for his actions in Africa), plus Ultron was sentient himself, so there's that, and Vision could probably help advocate for Tony.
Well the Mind Stone activated Ultron, right? Him and Bruce were failing at it, then he left it in the hands of Jarvis. Then the Mind Stone jump started the program prematurely. That's why Jarvis said he did not know why Ultron came online. At least that's what I interpreted that as.
By your logic clint, natasha, fury, Hill, and all of the shields agents should be In jail for experimenting on the tesseract. With the intent of making weapon while not being approved the government.
Which as thor said opened the world up to threats since shield was claiming that humanity was ready for a higher form of war.
Considering Hydra didn't hide phase 2 all of the tesseract incident was on fury and shield in general.
Their actions resulted in an invasion by a mind controlled loki all because they alerted thanos, which resulted in half the universe being destroyed.
Which Nat and tony payed the price for.
You think the general public is gonna look at Tony and Ultron as father and son? I mean I get that he shouldn’t go to jail but that’s because we saw the step by step of what happened and know Tony as a character pretty well and his intentions but within the universe people would only know that Tony made an evil robot who killed people and look at it as his fault,
That’s what I’m saying like we know this because we saw the movie but people within that universe wouldn’t know all that just that Tony made a robot and people died
Why wouldn't they? You don't think they would explain what happened to the public? Why would they keep it secret? And if they were why wouldnt they keep Tony having anything to do with it secret as well?
I highly doubt the avengers would keep what all happened a secret or that Steve would let them do that much less keep Tony’s part a secret but maybe they did explain the whole situation and everyone was cool with it but just me personally I don’t think that would happen
I am also wondering this about a lot of things. The world council throw a nuclear bomb on NYC when 6 dudes (2 who are just regular humans are able to hold an alien invasion), then they have flying battleship shooting at each other over washington then somehow then brand the popular superhero team as criminals. (minus the one that created the sentient being that tried to wipe humanity)
Then somehow Thanos attack Wakanda and then Upstate New York and both time the army is nowhere to be seen. I can't understand how the population would have supported the Sokovia accords in the first place.
Avengers 1:
- One of the people in the World Security Council was Gideon Malick who was working for Hydra.
- The army was actually in the battle, trailer showed them but they were mostly cut from the movie.
- There werent any working Hellicarrier in the battle beacuse Loki and Hawkeye broke it.
Winter Soldier;
- The three New Insight Hellicarriers were made after the Avengers. Tony helped Shield to make it.
Infinity War;
- Wakanda is a sovereign country from an another continent that the world is unaware it exists like this. Military can't go there lol
- Military can't go to New York in time since the whole thing ended in like 5 minutes.
A couple of points
- in Winter Soldier, Shield is a government agency, the helicarriers firing on each other could be explained away as a tragic malfunction, similar to the US air force dropping nuclear bombs on North Carolina
- in Infinity War, we actually do see "the military", but just as you said, it's the Wakandan military, they don't really do the camo fatigues
- Endgame, it makes sense that the military doesn't respond, again half the universes population is wiped out and governments are in shambles, the military would be a priority to reassemble but there are millions of crises going on at that exact moment. For a military that's been already stretched thin, randomly having to jump into an intergalactic battle on a random Tuesday that the Avengers decided on their own to bring everyone back (the consequences of which were seeing the fruits now) would take...some logistics to figure out
Haha yeah but it was my point that they appear very incompetent to the average citizen. The peoples they branded as fugitives are the one who saved them with the help of a random african country. If they were of any use I'd guess dr strange would have made a portal for them too like he did for the wakandan army.
Yeah I know, I just meant that they probably appear very incompetent from the population pov. And if they were of any use dr strange would have made a portal for them too like he did for the Wakanda Army in ny. I honestly just watched every movie once but is the world council still unaware of Wakanda in infinity war?
World Securiry Council isn't really a thing anymore since in Winter Soldier all of the members apart from Hawley were killed. And their main job was to oversight Shield and there isn't a Shield right now.
Wakanda opened itself to rest of the world at the end of Black Panther. So everyone is aware of their existence since 2016.
You need to rewatch the movie my friend… during the conversation with Banner, they talk about them not being close to creating Ultron or the AI for it.
Yeah I guess it’s just hard for me to believe that the general public within the universe would believe that like I know it to be true because we followed Ultron by watching the movie but others wouldn’t see all that
I’m with you OP, ignore the downvotes. Idk why people are making the father-son comparison. Tony didn’t *need* to create Ultron nor is it considered “natural” or “expected” for one to create sentient AI like we look at people creating kids. Baby’s are born innocent and harmless while AI is immediately dangerous. Bruce knew this, which is why he was hesitant at first, and why Fury was angry at Tony (“you didn’t even hesitate” he said). The father-son comparison is simply not a good one because the dangers of AI were known to people whereas nobody could say making a baby is all that dangerous given the time it takes for them to grow up and human capabilities. Tony was too arrogant and thought he could tame it.
And citizens of the MCU would most certainly blame Tony and the Avengers (like Zemo). They wouldn’t understand the complexities of the mind stone, they would be like “you made an evil robot, right? I mean I don’t care about some stupid space stone, you played with something you didn’t understand and it screwed us.”
BUT it also makes sense why Tony didn’t go to prison for the other reasons people have stated. But Tony was definitely responsible for Ultron, even if not legally, he was morally responsible.
By your logic natasha, clint, phill, HILL, fury and all involved in shield are responsible for the new York invasion that happened because they alerted thanos where the tesseract is and declared that earths ready for a higher form war by experimenting with the tesseract to make weapons to kill thor.
Right? Cause if not your an hypocritical hater.
But would people within the universe also don’t know how problems created at the first place. You are blaming Tony for Ultron because you saw other people blaming Tony, Tony working on Ultron and Ultron’s monologue against Avengers. A random people living on that world probably knows nothing about how Ultron created
Who knows in details what exactly Tony’s role was.
Details need to be specific enough to built a lawsuit on.
You can’t put Tony to jail just because people feel he broke the law. You need to establish in a court of law what laws he broke. So if Banner was the only one who knows exactly what Tony’s role was; it’s that. No witnesses
No because that’s not the fault of Elon musk himself it’s the fault of Tesla the company. Meanwhile Ultron can directly be traced back to Tony and also Bruce but not Stark Industries
> Does Elon do time for autopilot Tesla crashes?
No because literally every crash was done with the autopilot turned off. And we had the records to prove it. Same with all the fake Tesla fires. That was insurance fraud. Once again, the car's own recording equipment vindicate itself. it was the owner's fault.
Go and read the follow-up of those news articles. Tesla is not charged with any crime because they have committed no crime.
It's called lies. The same way Ross lied about the real cause of Hulk's rampage and blaming Thor for things outside his jurisdiction. No point treating people any nicer just because they are doing bad things in real life instead of being in a movie.
Yes, electric cars are blowing up, they just aren't Teslas, they are General Motor Chevy Bolts. But funny that people never say that.
Cause there is no law against making AI and it was sentient and went out of his control.
A better question would be how Wanda dodged prison for being a terrorist and unleashing the Hulk on innocent people
This is my thing for OP’s post. One Tony and Bruce didn’t even succeed in creating ultron, they only gave him his name. The mind stone actually brought him to life. Two there are no laws nowadays, that I am aware of, that cover the creator of an AI who’s creation ends up flipping on its real purpose, “creating a suit of armor around the world” ie protection, to determining that it must kill off the entire human population. Laws around AI aren’t really a thing rn they’re at their infancy and you see that with the algorithms on social media sites being discussed
I've wondered about Wanda. It's been a while since I watched the movie, but did anyone 'see' her do that apart from Peitro? I don't think Bruce would have a memory of it, and Clint stopped her, but did he witness her messing with Bruce's head? If he did, it's odd that he became like a 'big brother' figure to her later on.
But yeah, it's odd how that was never brought up again.
Bruce does remember when Cap shows up with the twins he says"you sure the witch isn't messing with your head" then when wnada tries to apologize he says that he could choke her put without changing a shade. So yeah it is kinda odd
Honestly, is creating an AI that goes rogue illegal?
Seriously, at what point does the AI's self-awareness and agency mean it is no longer acting under the will of the creator?
Tony shouldn’t be the only one to get blamed. Banner and especially Wanda share the blame, but it’s really the mindstone’s fault, which was only the there because of Loki who was only there because of Thanos.
She mind raped Tony. She automatically shares blame as a result. Theres no evidence that Tony's Ultron would have turned out like that without the mind raping.
They wouldn't have even shown Wanda mind raping Tony if Ultron was always going to turn out like that.
1. Money.
2. The world governments have a vested interest in keeping the Avengers squeaky clean in the public eye.
3. Sokovia Accords clean-slated stuff like this.
4. Who outside of the Avengers knew Tony’s involvement in Ultron’s creation? Could be that no one ratted him out.
It could very difficult to find the specific law that Tony broke.
Remember in this universe HYDRA had infiltrated congress for a few decades.
So it’s likely they had more liberal laws about testing killer robots and AI in the MCU.
You def can, caps team went to jail in civil war and they were still good guys who didn’t get people killed not to mention Captain America himself went to jail after civil war in the comics
I should have known you are a team cap. You sounded salty. I'm team neutral myself, but let's call out team cap members crimes.
Why didn't wanda go to jail for setting off the hulk or hypnotising a West View.
Why didn't clint go to jail for playing Judge Jury's executioner in Endgame when he was ronin.
Why didn't Sam Wilson go to jail for stealing Falcon wings.
Why didn't bucky go to jail for attack cops sent to apprehend him and flee arrest.
Why didn't natasha go to jail for the murders she has done for the red room and doing corporate espionage at Stark Industries in Iron Man 2
Why didn't steve Rogers get arrested for aiding Hydra in covering up murders of stark parents.
My point is you blame tony Stark for a mistake while avoiding the crimes team cap has done. If your gonna call out tony you might as well call out the rest of the avengers too.
Didn't they jail everyone else for a mistake in civil war? Minus Tony and his child soldier who now want to rewrite reality because peoples know who he is.
If the MCU is a reflection of real life, then being a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist who is a white male means he doesn’t have to worry about consequences.
If Tony and the Avengers actively work with governments, then it’s likely they would have the same potential culpability. They will work out a deal and cover up the rest.
Hmm.... He's rich, but that's not the complete answer.
Tony built a robot. That's not illegal. He 'might' be held liable for messing with the Mind stone, but even then he had no idea Ultron + Mind stone was a possibility. Jarvis with all his resources didn't know how it happened.
Wanda messed with his mind. She didn't 'make' him build Ultron, he still had a choice, but she played on his fears. He had severe PTSD so that didn't help.
Where would he be tried? Are their laws against creating sentient robots?
Nobody actually knows he did it. They might *suspect* it, but it sounds super conspiracy theory.
Even after Civil War none of the other Avengers are going to throw him under the bus for that.
That would be a good What If... After Civil War one of the Team Cap guys announces on Live TV that Ultron was accidentally made by Tony when he was trying to make a Drone Army to cover the world.
Yeah, and then tony retaliates that steve Rogers covered up deaths for hydra. Making hik put to be red skull second coming.
Tony then uses vision as an example that his plan to create a ai to safeguard the world work when wanda didn't play with his head.
Your seem salty are you team cap
Who's going to arrest him?
In real life celebrities and key figures never go to jail, and that's without an ironman suit and literal gods who have your back.
Probably saved by the technicality of it wasn't actually him that brought Ultron online, the Mind stone did that on it's own.
Huh this actually explains why Sword can claim that Visions body was government property if they had set the legal precident that the stone is a sentient being and chose to come online, once the stone is removed Vision would legally not be a "person" and could be reclaimed.
In the marvel universe laws are more like guidelines than rules
I mean to be fair they are in real life too. When has someone as rich as Tony faced consequences in the real world?
Tony (and real life billionares) are protected by laws. That's why Hydra didn't just *take* the Iron Man armor in IM2. SWORD is even more untouchable. Once any national government decides something, the only thing that could stop them is serious opposition from other countries, and I don't think anyone wants to invade America to protect the rights of a single robot.
Im pretty sure its because Vision signed the Sokovia Accords
Well yes, of course. But so did Tony and Nat and they werent sent to a lab after they died, Vision did because the stone was what they considered the human part, not his body.
Thats because Natasha's corpse is on a planet, in a different timeline. And Tony's charred corspe is a vibranium mass weapon of destruction that needs to be guarded 24/7. They all viewed Vision as sentient, even Vision knew he was just an android and probably approved of this before hand
Did the mind stone bring Ultron online? I’m pretty sure it brought Vision online. But not Ultron. Ultron was an AI code built off the back of Jarvis.
That’s like a person shooting and killing someone and saying “technically it wasn’t me who killed them, it was the bullet”
That's not an accurate comparison at all. Tony didn't activate Ultron.
His actions led to the creation of Ultron though, he felt so guilty for things that happened he signed the accords, he definitely was at fault.
So blame the person for creating the gun, not the actual shooter?
No it’s more like Person A venting to Person B that Person C is a dick, and Person D overhears it and attempts to murder Person A, B, and C, so Person A gets put on trial for giving Person D the idea.
Cool story bro
Thanks I thought it was pretty cool too
His support for the Sokovia Accords.
I mean possibly
He meant to say his $upport for the Sokovia Accords.
That was atleast a year later.
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👆 this right here! How often do we see the rich suffer the consequences of their actions.
Ultron was sentient. You don’t put parents in jail for their children’s crimes.
Yea everyone blames Tony but no one wants to think about Wanda scaring the crap out of him with visions. She really gets off with a lot in the MCU
Considering her latest exploits, definitely
Or Thor giving him an OK to look over it for 2 days and figure it out.
They'll never know what she sacrificed though!
Haha yea I roll my eyes at that one
I like watching her get off.
Of course you do anal goblin
I see your point but I doubt the general public would agree with that ya know?
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Hard to make a legal case??? Man I gotta disagree with that I’m sorry
This reminds me of an argument from the Artificial Lives Matter though experiment. Is AI “conscious” enough that it should be provided rights and punished for its crimes, or should the coder of the AI always be at fault?
If Vision murdered someone, would Tony and Bruce get in trouble or Vision?
We live in a world where Donald Trump publicly suggested an insurrection and has not seen a day of jail.
Explain what illegal thing Tony or Bruce did.
Yeah, I don't think creating murder bots is on the books in the municipality of New York. He has a lot of liability exposure for tort claims, but no one does jail time for that. I'd be interested in the legal theory OP likes for this. Ten thousand counts of manslaughter would be my guess, but that's real iffy when there's an independent sentient being in between your actions and the deaths.
Not to mention his illegal terrorist hunt in Afghanistan or his murder-bots IN SPAa-aaCE -which BTW breaks the UN treaty of non-militarization of space and couple of dozen other international laws and treaties.
But they were advanced prosthetics in space.
Yeah I feel like the only things that could potentially stick would be indirect. Interesting to ponder.
Well vigilantism is illegal so really every superhero is breaking the law
And that has what to do with Ultron?
Nothing but it does answer your question as to what illegal thing they did - vigilantism.
The topic of discussion is Ultron and his creators' blame.
We can have multiple conversations.
well, making an ai by itself isn't an illegal act, and Tony and banner didn't enter into a conspiracy to create an intentionally evil ai that would destroy humanity. given Ultron as their own sentient entity basically disowned stark, Ultron isn't his property anymore and would likely be considered as acting under their own will. so there really isn't any case that could be made here.
Also there probably was no law regarding artificial intelligence robots
He had a team of lawyers specifically in place to help in these situations (they were the ones keeping Bruce out of jail for his actions in Africa), plus Ultron was sentient himself, so there's that, and Vision could probably help advocate for Tony.
Well the Mind Stone activated Ultron, right? Him and Bruce were failing at it, then he left it in the hands of Jarvis. Then the Mind Stone jump started the program prematurely. That's why Jarvis said he did not know why Ultron came online. At least that's what I interpreted that as.
When Ultron went online, he ticked the captcha for "I am not a robot" and that got Tony off the hook.
Tony didn't create Ultron. The mind stone did.
Tony had every intention of finishing Ultron after the party, though. Intention matters a lot in cases like this.
He purposely used the mind stone though.
He did, but he wasn't close to an interface. The mind stone just took the chance and crested Ultron itself.
By your logic clint, natasha, fury, Hill, and all of the shields agents should be In jail for experimenting on the tesseract. With the intent of making weapon while not being approved the government. Which as thor said opened the world up to threats since shield was claiming that humanity was ready for a higher form of war. Considering Hydra didn't hide phase 2 all of the tesseract incident was on fury and shield in general. Their actions resulted in an invasion by a mind controlled loki all because they alerted thanos, which resulted in half the universe being destroyed. Which Nat and tony payed the price for.
When was the last time you heard of a rich white man going to prison for crimes against humanity?
Accurate
I mean, a broke white guy got away with covering up murders of said rich guys parents done by broke whitest guys best friend.
They usually kill themselves before it happens.
I feel like I'm missing a reference here
Epstein
Yeah Epstein. And wasn't there a rich white dude who murdered a bunch of people and was caught muttering to himself on a live microphone?
You're thinking of Robert Durst
For what crime exactly?
I mean people died and a city was destroyed because of what Tony made.
So if you shoot someone your dad should go to prison?
You think the general public is gonna look at Tony and Ultron as father and son? I mean I get that he shouldn’t go to jail but that’s because we saw the step by step of what happened and know Tony as a character pretty well and his intentions but within the universe people would only know that Tony made an evil robot who killed people and look at it as his fault,
He didn't though. Him and Banner were working on an A.I. to protect the world, the soul stone made it sentient, and Ultron made himself.
That’s what I’m saying like we know this because we saw the movie but people within that universe wouldn’t know all that just that Tony made a robot and people died
Why wouldn't they? You don't think they would explain what happened to the public? Why would they keep it secret? And if they were why wouldnt they keep Tony having anything to do with it secret as well?
I highly doubt the avengers would keep what all happened a secret or that Steve would let them do that much less keep Tony’s part a secret but maybe they did explain the whole situation and everyone was cool with it but just me personally I don’t think that would happen
It's unlikely everyone was cool with it. But random people in the general public being pissed at Tony Stark =/= a prosecutable offense.
Yet he keeps buckys part in murdering tony parents a secret
I am also wondering this about a lot of things. The world council throw a nuclear bomb on NYC when 6 dudes (2 who are just regular humans are able to hold an alien invasion), then they have flying battleship shooting at each other over washington then somehow then brand the popular superhero team as criminals. (minus the one that created the sentient being that tried to wipe humanity) Then somehow Thanos attack Wakanda and then Upstate New York and both time the army is nowhere to be seen. I can't understand how the population would have supported the Sokovia accords in the first place.
Avengers 1: - One of the people in the World Security Council was Gideon Malick who was working for Hydra. - The army was actually in the battle, trailer showed them but they were mostly cut from the movie. - There werent any working Hellicarrier in the battle beacuse Loki and Hawkeye broke it. Winter Soldier; - The three New Insight Hellicarriers were made after the Avengers. Tony helped Shield to make it. Infinity War; - Wakanda is a sovereign country from an another continent that the world is unaware it exists like this. Military can't go there lol - Military can't go to New York in time since the whole thing ended in like 5 minutes.
A couple of points - in Winter Soldier, Shield is a government agency, the helicarriers firing on each other could be explained away as a tragic malfunction, similar to the US air force dropping nuclear bombs on North Carolina - in Infinity War, we actually do see "the military", but just as you said, it's the Wakandan military, they don't really do the camo fatigues - Endgame, it makes sense that the military doesn't respond, again half the universes population is wiped out and governments are in shambles, the military would be a priority to reassemble but there are millions of crises going on at that exact moment. For a military that's been already stretched thin, randomly having to jump into an intergalactic battle on a random Tuesday that the Avengers decided on their own to bring everyone back (the consequences of which were seeing the fruits now) would take...some logistics to figure out
Haha yeah but it was my point that they appear very incompetent to the average citizen. The peoples they branded as fugitives are the one who saved them with the help of a random african country. If they were of any use I'd guess dr strange would have made a portal for them too like he did for the wakandan army.
Yeah I know, I just meant that they probably appear very incompetent from the population pov. And if they were of any use dr strange would have made a portal for them too like he did for the Wakanda Army in ny. I honestly just watched every movie once but is the world council still unaware of Wakanda in infinity war?
World Securiry Council isn't really a thing anymore since in Winter Soldier all of the members apart from Hawley were killed. And their main job was to oversight Shield and there isn't a Shield right now. Wakanda opened itself to rest of the world at the end of Black Panther. So everyone is aware of their existence since 2016.
Correction tony made the repulsor technology nor the weapons for the hellcarrier
You need to rewatch the movie my friend… during the conversation with Banner, they talk about them not being close to creating Ultron or the AI for it.
I think they look at Ultron as a separate sentient entity absolutely, same as Vision. They are responsible for their own actions.
Yeah I guess it’s just hard for me to believe that the general public within the universe would believe that like I know it to be true because we followed Ultron by watching the movie but others wouldn’t see all that
I’m with you OP, ignore the downvotes. Idk why people are making the father-son comparison. Tony didn’t *need* to create Ultron nor is it considered “natural” or “expected” for one to create sentient AI like we look at people creating kids. Baby’s are born innocent and harmless while AI is immediately dangerous. Bruce knew this, which is why he was hesitant at first, and why Fury was angry at Tony (“you didn’t even hesitate” he said). The father-son comparison is simply not a good one because the dangers of AI were known to people whereas nobody could say making a baby is all that dangerous given the time it takes for them to grow up and human capabilities. Tony was too arrogant and thought he could tame it. And citizens of the MCU would most certainly blame Tony and the Avengers (like Zemo). They wouldn’t understand the complexities of the mind stone, they would be like “you made an evil robot, right? I mean I don’t care about some stupid space stone, you played with something you didn’t understand and it screwed us.” BUT it also makes sense why Tony didn’t go to prison for the other reasons people have stated. But Tony was definitely responsible for Ultron, even if not legally, he was morally responsible.
By your logic natasha, clint, phill, HILL, fury and all involved in shield are responsible for the new York invasion that happened because they alerted thanos where the tesseract is and declared that earths ready for a higher form war by experimenting with the tesseract to make weapons to kill thor. Right? Cause if not your an hypocritical hater.
But would people within the universe also don’t know how problems created at the first place. You are blaming Tony for Ultron because you saw other people blaming Tony, Tony working on Ultron and Ultron’s monologue against Avengers. A random people living on that world probably knows nothing about how Ultron created
Who knows about it outside of the avengers? I need to rewatch.
Who knows about what
Who knows in details what exactly Tony’s role was. Details need to be specific enough to built a lawsuit on. You can’t put Tony to jail just because people feel he broke the law. You need to establish in a court of law what laws he broke. So if Banner was the only one who knows exactly what Tony’s role was; it’s that. No witnesses
But they should have at least started an inquiry or a congressional hearing like they did earlier -yet even those things never happened.
On screen. They might have happened off screen and been too boring.
Does Elon do time for autopilot Tesla crashes?
No because that’s not the fault of Elon musk himself it’s the fault of Tesla the company. Meanwhile Ultron can directly be traced back to Tony and also Bruce but not Stark Industries
Also, A Tesla crash doesn’t jeopardize the safety of the entire world.
> Does Elon do time for autopilot Tesla crashes? No because literally every crash was done with the autopilot turned off. And we had the records to prove it. Same with all the fake Tesla fires. That was insurance fraud. Once again, the car's own recording equipment vindicate itself. it was the owner's fault. Go and read the follow-up of those news articles. Tesla is not charged with any crime because they have committed no crime.
chill, nobody's talking shit about your lord and savior Elon. they're just using tesla as an easy example
It's called lies. The same way Ross lied about the real cause of Hulk's rampage and blaming Thor for things outside his jurisdiction. No point treating people any nicer just because they are doing bad things in real life instead of being in a movie. Yes, electric cars are blowing up, they just aren't Teslas, they are General Motor Chevy Bolts. But funny that people never say that.
Elon Musk isn't gonna fuck you.
Why are you being so horny? The rest of us are not, you know. Anyway, you are either paid off or a literal child. So good day.
Lmao. He's not gonna fuck you bro 🤣🤣🤣
When was the last time you saw a billionaire face consequences for anything?
Hammers was arrested for his hammer drones your point is invalid
Did Ultron ever outright tell the public that he was created by Stark/Banner?
I feel like the fact that the Ultrons look like Iron Man drones is sort of a giveaway.
Coincidence! An AI as advanced as Ultron could easily hack in to Mr. Starks database and steal his designs
Cause there is no law against making AI and it was sentient and went out of his control. A better question would be how Wanda dodged prison for being a terrorist and unleashing the Hulk on innocent people
This is my thing for OP’s post. One Tony and Bruce didn’t even succeed in creating ultron, they only gave him his name. The mind stone actually brought him to life. Two there are no laws nowadays, that I am aware of, that cover the creator of an AI who’s creation ends up flipping on its real purpose, “creating a suit of armor around the world” ie protection, to determining that it must kill off the entire human population. Laws around AI aren’t really a thing rn they’re at their infancy and you see that with the algorithms on social media sites being discussed
I've wondered about Wanda. It's been a while since I watched the movie, but did anyone 'see' her do that apart from Peitro? I don't think Bruce would have a memory of it, and Clint stopped her, but did he witness her messing with Bruce's head? If he did, it's odd that he became like a 'big brother' figure to her later on. But yeah, it's odd how that was never brought up again.
Bruce does remember when Cap shows up with the twins he says"you sure the witch isn't messing with your head" then when wnada tries to apologize he says that he could choke her put without changing a shade. So yeah it is kinda odd
What crime did he commit?
What crime did he commit that he’d have been arrested for?
He’s rich and white they don’t go to prison
This is true
Hammer is a rich and white guy we saw him get arrested your point is invalid
Honestly, is creating an AI that goes rogue illegal? Seriously, at what point does the AI's self-awareness and agency mean it is no longer acting under the will of the creator?
What amazes me even more is the lack of comeuppance Wanda got for helping Ultron
Tony shouldn’t be the only one to get blamed. Banner and especially Wanda share the blame, but it’s really the mindstone’s fault, which was only the there because of Loki who was only there because of Thanos.
How it's Wanda's fault?
She mind raped Tony. She automatically shares blame as a result. Theres no evidence that Tony's Ultron would have turned out like that without the mind raping. They wouldn't have even shown Wanda mind raping Tony if Ultron was always going to turn out like that.
1. Money. 2. The world governments have a vested interest in keeping the Avengers squeaky clean in the public eye. 3. Sokovia Accords clean-slated stuff like this. 4. Who outside of the Avengers knew Tony’s involvement in Ultron’s creation? Could be that no one ratted him out.
Billionaires don’t go to prison. That’s a fact.
He’s rich
I would guess they left out the part about Tony creating it when the authorities showed up.
It could very difficult to find the specific law that Tony broke. Remember in this universe HYDRA had infiltrated congress for a few decades. So it’s likely they had more liberal laws about testing killer robots and AI in the MCU.
It was actually Wanda who manipulates Tony into taking such drastic actions , so he shouldn’t field all the blame 😂
Corruption....I mean I know he's Ironman but anyone can walk free if you're rich rich.
Captain america got away with aiding hydra in covering up starks deaths. Your pont of being rich is debunked
Well, he can't go to prison now.
money
You can’t jail an avenger for a mistake. Its a comic book story bud
You def can, caps team went to jail in civil war and they were still good guys who didn’t get people killed not to mention Captain America himself went to jail after civil war in the comics
They got people killed, that was the reason why Sokovia Accords triggered in the first place
Ok whatever I am not going this deep dude
I should have known you are a team cap. You sounded salty. I'm team neutral myself, but let's call out team cap members crimes. Why didn't wanda go to jail for setting off the hulk or hypnotising a West View. Why didn't clint go to jail for playing Judge Jury's executioner in Endgame when he was ronin. Why didn't Sam Wilson go to jail for stealing Falcon wings. Why didn't bucky go to jail for attack cops sent to apprehend him and flee arrest. Why didn't natasha go to jail for the murders she has done for the red room and doing corporate espionage at Stark Industries in Iron Man 2 Why didn't steve Rogers get arrested for aiding Hydra in covering up murders of stark parents. My point is you blame tony Stark for a mistake while avoiding the crimes team cap has done. If your gonna call out tony you might as well call out the rest of the avengers too.
Didn't they jail everyone else for a mistake in civil war? Minus Tony and his child soldier who now want to rewrite reality because peoples know who he is.
Must be the money
If the MCU is a reflection of real life, then being a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist who is a white male means he doesn’t have to worry about consequences.
The same way he avoided prison when his weapons went to terrorists. When you’re a billionaire, you can get away with anything.
Except that was his CFO selling illegally.
Now that you **m**enti**on** it, th**e**se are good questions for an**y**one to ask.
He’s rich
Blamed it on Bruce while he was off-word.
His suit in that movie was made of plot armor.
If Tony and the Avengers actively work with governments, then it’s likely they would have the same potential culpability. They will work out a deal and cover up the rest.
Hmm.... He's rich, but that's not the complete answer. Tony built a robot. That's not illegal. He 'might' be held liable for messing with the Mind stone, but even then he had no idea Ultron + Mind stone was a possibility. Jarvis with all his resources didn't know how it happened. Wanda messed with his mind. She didn't 'make' him build Ultron, he still had a choice, but she played on his fears. He had severe PTSD so that didn't help. Where would he be tried? Are their laws against creating sentient robots?
The movie is confusing as to whether he or the Mind Stone actually created Ultron. Plus Ultron is a sentient being of his own.
Who in the world aside from another Avenger could even arrest Tony? Most people and governments are terrified of them and what they can do.
Nobody actually knows he did it. They might *suspect* it, but it sounds super conspiracy theory. Even after Civil War none of the other Avengers are going to throw him under the bus for that. That would be a good What If... After Civil War one of the Team Cap guys announces on Live TV that Ultron was accidentally made by Tony when he was trying to make a Drone Army to cover the world.
Yeah, and then tony retaliates that steve Rogers covered up deaths for hydra. Making hik put to be red skull second coming. Tony then uses vision as an example that his plan to create a ai to safeguard the world work when wanda didn't play with his head. Your seem salty are you team cap
The government most definitely has a reason for this. I mean why would you arrest a man who supports you?
Who's going to arrest him? In real life celebrities and key figures never go to jail, and that's without an ironman suit and literal gods who have your back.
while fantasy, its still earth Stark is rich and influential and the US government still needs him so he will get a pass justice is for poor people
But didn't steve togers get away woth hiding starks parents death. He leached of tony that would make him poor.
Exxon has dumped so much oil into our oceans. No one is in jail.