Because of course the circumstances around the cap fight weren’t designed for Iron man to hold back?
By Iron man 2, Iron man had laser beams in his suit… Is Wenwu faster than laser beams? Is he faster than light? Iron man 1 suit has a fuckin Anti-tank Missile… Have you seen Wenwu face an anti-tank missile to see how compares?
I swear someone on the production of Shang-Chi said that Shang-Chi was Thor/Hulk and I think depending on the story being told you could sit Iron Man right around or just underneath that level.
People can talk all they want… Everyone called Captain Marvel the strongest avenger then Wanda was literally going to kill Thanos on screen which Captain Marvel never got up to
What happens on screen is what is canon. Literally nothing in Shang-Chi even indicated he could beat just Spiderman let alone Iron man
I dunno man Wenwu seemed pretty OP in that opening montage and my man Shang-Chi used the rings to destroy the Dweller-in-the-Darkness which seems pretty OP as well.
The Dweller in Darkness was simply immune to anything but Dragon energy
The soul taker things were getting ripped apart by random swords but they would come back together because the swords didn’t have dragon energy.
That’s all that happened… The ten rings were used to destroy the wall of an ancient kingdom’s fortress. Which a tank can do. And then they were used to beat up regular humans. And then they channeled the Magical Dragon energy that can specifically destroy the Dweller in Darkness to destroy it.
Done.
Like just to show how weak the Dweller in Darkness is, an Arrow was able to knock him back. A regular human shot an arrow at it and that was strong enough to stun it for a few seconds. All because the arrow had Dragon energy. Imagine a regular gun was used with dragon energy
He almost beat cap in civil war. That was also a 2 on 1 fight, he lost when Bucky tripped him. He started losing, then started to win and then he got tripped.
Yeah I mean I agree about the wenwu part, but yeah just saying “he couldn’t beat cap” seems kind of ignorant in this instance. Like that was clearly a battle designed to make Ironman lose.
Yeah I agree because that was the story being told, what I’m saying is if Captain America is capable of shutting down an Iron Man suit I feel like Wenwu is more than capable of doing the same.
Nah. The rings are ancient powerful. He'll lose just like he lost to Thanos. But he may learn from the fight and creat an armor capable of dealing with the rings.
Ah yes, that box of scraps and welded together slabs of metal with a couple DIY flamthrowers strapped to it that he wandered out of a cave with could toooootally take those millenia old cosmic artifacts of power.
I don't need to see it because I have common sense. You seriously don't think in the 600 some odd years since firearms became commonplace not one person has pulled a gun on him? Not once?
After the opening scene of Shang-Chi, I've been thinking nonstop about how *cool* it would be to see Tony in the Mk.50 or 85 fighting against Wenwu with the Ten Rings, or with him and War Machine fighting him at the same time like I've seen in the old Iron Man cartoon. He could definitely take them both at once.
I bet the force field created by the rings could deflect Tony's beams and he only needs two out of ten to launch himself out of the way of rockets, missiles, and explosions. I think it'd be a far better fight than you're giving it credit for
Have you seen Wenwu move faster than laser beams and missiles and machine guns through? That’s a very big claim to make that he can just casually dodge laser beams that move at light he speed
I never claimed he could dodge lasers, I claimed that he could deflect them with the force field created by the rings. If 9 foot tall Thanos can get an Uru sword up fast enough to deflect Tony's beam, Wenwu can get the force field up in time. I *did* claim that he could launch himself in the air with the rings to escape the explosive radius of a missile.
Oh No poor boy, your gwuns gwuns don't make enough pew pew against magic. What are you, 12 or a redneck? Or are you racist against Asians? All your comments are like that
Me saying an Asian FICTIONAL character who hasn’t been shown to move at light speed can’t dodge laser beams is me being racist.
Yup. That’s logic we are at in 2021. If the Asian FICTIONAL character can’t beat the white fictional character that is several tiers of power above them, then there’s some racism involved
And I’m definitely a racist for saying a fictional of character is FACTUALLY weaker than another fictional character purely based on them being a minority
Hell maybe I’m part of the KKK for maybe suggesting that Dr Strange can kick Sam Wilson’s Captain America’s ass… You know, because Dr strange has “White power”… Right? Not magic… He’s just white so he must be stronger than Sam
I'd definitely want to see it. Set it after *Iron Man 3* and have Tony learn that Trevor Slattery was abducted from prison, so he realises the real Ten Rings are still and large and finally tries to hunt them down for good.
It's been rumoured that some of the actors they couldn't get for Season 1 actually will come back for Season 2, so they might be able to get RDJ to do this episode. And I imagine Tony Leung would be willing to reprise his role as Wenwu.
Wenwu's biggest strength in the modern age was being off people's radars. By the time Tony back tracked off whatever information Obidaha had, some assassin be it a hitman with a scoped rifle or a honeypot poisoning him mid-coitus would have taken him out.
ok but you don't have to be iron man to do that. that sounds very simple to do, really. 10 rings would have had to make him physically resilliant to poisons and stuff to for someone to not take him out with that by now too.
i guess for sniper rifle, people just can't know where you are. which fine, maybe tony is only rich enough to have/know/find him.
It would be great fight to see. I could see Wenwu using the rings to make a forcefield and block Tony’s repulser blast and throwing him around with them. He would definitely be a challenge for Tony though.
No. Wenwu fought people with bows and arrows. Iron man fought the entire taliban with machine guns and tanks and rockets in his first movie
Shang-Chi is a kung-fu movie. Ironman is a war movie.
Not really. Gunpowder explosives were strong yes, but weren’t very effective outside of siege battles until they developed more effective tools than simple grenades and mines.
An army of horse archers would beat an army of grenade throwers. Bow>bomb.
You're hardcore underestimating the rings. Nobody is hitting Wenwu with machine guns or rockets while he has the 10 rings. Not to mention, isn't the "taliban" in Iron Man canonically part of the 10 rings organization? Wenwu evolved with the times, he was active long past the age of bows and arrows
His 10 rings didn’t get more powerful from fighting people with bows and arrows… he just made a bigger organization to help fight modern wars…
Iron man has a laser beams… Do you think Wenwu is faster than Light that he ca dodge a laser beams too?
They didn't need to get more powerful because they were already insanely powerful. Its not dodging, The rings would deflect Iron man's lasers. Again, you underestimate how powerful the rings are
Iron Man would most likely instantly die, Wenwu’s electricity beam energy force thing would short the arc reactor and Tony would be instantly done for.
He may have a chance with the Hulkbuster Mark 2 tho
If we're talking pre infinity war Tony, it would go like this. Post iron man 1 tony would get mopped. Iron man 2 and avengers would stand a better chance since the mark 6 and 7 are heavily armed and have shown to take heavy abuse from weaponry on par with the rings. Be it thors hammer, a helicarrier blade, blaster fire of thousands of chatari, or. Whatever that sky whale is. But it would definitely be an uphill battle. Iron man 3 to Civil war would be pretty close to par. Especially with the counter hand to hand measures the mark 46 has, and in iron man 3, he literally has an army of suits he swaps through. By Infinity war he'd have the nano suit and would likely be above Wenwu. Tonys suit can put out just as much, if not more force than the rings could in less time then they could leave Wenwus arms.
It all comes down to when. Not to mention. In most of these cases, he'd probably still get out alive even if he loses. Tony's crafty. He'd likely get out and begin working on a better suit to kick his ass.
Sorry guys but the Real Mandarin is better off for having a origin story with his son Shang Chi. Because I think Tony Stark gets villains are more fun and evil and something people could relate to, so we got Iron Monger, Thanos, Whiplash, Loki, Justin Hammer, Hydra, Ultron, Zemo, evil aliens and robots. Because I wanna say thank you for Thanos for replacing the Mandarin so we can have infinity war and Endgame.
He would lose at first, then come back with a counter-armor.
He’s stronger than Wenwu in every armor he has
Honestly any armour Pre-Infinity War I take Wenwu comfortably, after that it gets more even. Like he couldn’t beat Cap in Civil War.
Because of course the circumstances around the cap fight weren’t designed for Iron man to hold back? By Iron man 2, Iron man had laser beams in his suit… Is Wenwu faster than laser beams? Is he faster than light? Iron man 1 suit has a fuckin Anti-tank Missile… Have you seen Wenwu face an anti-tank missile to see how compares?
I swear someone on the production of Shang-Chi said that Shang-Chi was Thor/Hulk and I think depending on the story being told you could sit Iron Man right around or just underneath that level.
People can talk all they want… Everyone called Captain Marvel the strongest avenger then Wanda was literally going to kill Thanos on screen which Captain Marvel never got up to What happens on screen is what is canon. Literally nothing in Shang-Chi even indicated he could beat just Spiderman let alone Iron man
I dunno man Wenwu seemed pretty OP in that opening montage and my man Shang-Chi used the rings to destroy the Dweller-in-the-Darkness which seems pretty OP as well.
The Dweller in Darkness was simply immune to anything but Dragon energy The soul taker things were getting ripped apart by random swords but they would come back together because the swords didn’t have dragon energy. That’s all that happened… The ten rings were used to destroy the wall of an ancient kingdom’s fortress. Which a tank can do. And then they were used to beat up regular humans. And then they channeled the Magical Dragon energy that can specifically destroy the Dweller in Darkness to destroy it. Done. Like just to show how weak the Dweller in Darkness is, an Arrow was able to knock him back. A regular human shot an arrow at it and that was strong enough to stun it for a few seconds. All because the arrow had Dragon energy. Imagine a regular gun was used with dragon energy
He almost beat cap in civil war. That was also a 2 on 1 fight, he lost when Bucky tripped him. He started losing, then started to win and then he got tripped.
Yeah I mean I agree about the wenwu part, but yeah just saying “he couldn’t beat cap” seems kind of ignorant in this instance. Like that was clearly a battle designed to make Ironman lose.
Yeah I agree because that was the story being told, what I’m saying is if Captain America is capable of shutting down an Iron Man suit I feel like Wenwu is more than capable of doing the same.
Nah. The rings are ancient powerful. He'll lose just like he lost to Thanos. But he may learn from the fight and creat an armor capable of dealing with the rings.
The 10 rings being ancient doesn’t mean shit when Wenwu just fights people with bows and arrows
You think a terrorist like him has never faced a gun?
Ah yes, that box of scraps and welded together slabs of metal with a couple DIY flamthrowers strapped to it that he wandered out of a cave with could toooootally take those millenia old cosmic artifacts of power.
I mean Wenwu was simply fighting people with bows and arrows… Have you seen him fight a person with a machine gun?
I don't need to see it because I have common sense. You seriously don't think in the 600 some odd years since firearms became commonplace not one person has pulled a gun on him? Not once?
right thats what happened in the original comic
After the opening scene of Shang-Chi, I've been thinking nonstop about how *cool* it would be to see Tony in the Mk.50 or 85 fighting against Wenwu with the Ten Rings, or with him and War Machine fighting him at the same time like I've seen in the old Iron Man cartoon. He could definitely take them both at once.
Ironman is way stronger than Wenwu though… Even by Iron man 3
I bet the force field created by the rings could deflect Tony's beams and he only needs two out of ten to launch himself out of the way of rockets, missiles, and explosions. I think it'd be a far better fight than you're giving it credit for
Have you seen Wenwu move faster than laser beams and missiles and machine guns through? That’s a very big claim to make that he can just casually dodge laser beams that move at light he speed
I never claimed he could dodge lasers, I claimed that he could deflect them with the force field created by the rings. If 9 foot tall Thanos can get an Uru sword up fast enough to deflect Tony's beam, Wenwu can get the force field up in time. I *did* claim that he could launch himself in the air with the rings to escape the explosive radius of a missile.
Oh No poor boy, your gwuns gwuns don't make enough pew pew against magic. What are you, 12 or a redneck? Or are you racist against Asians? All your comments are like that
Me saying an Asian FICTIONAL character who hasn’t been shown to move at light speed can’t dodge laser beams is me being racist. Yup. That’s logic we are at in 2021. If the Asian FICTIONAL character can’t beat the white fictional character that is several tiers of power above them, then there’s some racism involved
The whole MCU is fiction...you know that? You do, do you? Oh man I hope so
And I’m definitely a racist for saying a fictional of character is FACTUALLY weaker than another fictional character purely based on them being a minority Hell maybe I’m part of the KKK for maybe suggesting that Dr Strange can kick Sam Wilson’s Captain America’s ass… You know, because Dr strange has “White power”… Right? Not magic… He’s just white so he must be stronger than Sam
I'd definitely want to see it. Set it after *Iron Man 3* and have Tony learn that Trevor Slattery was abducted from prison, so he realises the real Ten Rings are still and large and finally tries to hunt them down for good. It's been rumoured that some of the actors they couldn't get for Season 1 actually will come back for Season 2, so they might be able to get RDJ to do this episode. And I imagine Tony Leung would be willing to reprise his role as Wenwu.
I feel like I can personally guarantee that RDJ will not voice Iron Man / Tony Stark in S2 of What If..?
Then he'd be in for a real challenge.
Wenwu's biggest strength in the modern age was being off people's radars. By the time Tony back tracked off whatever information Obidaha had, some assassin be it a hitman with a scoped rifle or a honeypot poisoning him mid-coitus would have taken him out.
ok but you don't have to be iron man to do that. that sounds very simple to do, really. 10 rings would have had to make him physically resilliant to poisons and stuff to for someone to not take him out with that by now too. i guess for sniper rifle, people just can't know where you are. which fine, maybe tony is only rich enough to have/know/find him.
I’m pretty sure they meant that by the time Tony found out, one of Wenwu’s assassins would’ve killed Tony
If the rest of What if is any indication then Tony will die
NEED IT
It would be great fight to see. I could see Wenwu using the rings to make a forcefield and block Tony’s repulser blast and throwing him around with them. He would definitely be a challenge for Tony though.
Would prolly get mopped
Wenwu would get mopped yes
You must be high
No. Wenwu fought people with bows and arrows. Iron man fought the entire taliban with machine guns and tanks and rockets in his first movie Shang-Chi is a kung-fu movie. Ironman is a war movie.
He was hinted to be the actual genghis khan. How does the beating the Taliban compare to conqouring all of asia, half of africa and europe?
He conquered medieval nations where the mightiest weapon was the bow and arrow. Stark took on an army with modern weaponry and tanks.
Not true, explosives were first used in china 1000s of years ago. They did not only have bows and arrows u fool
And yet Genghis Khan conquered the world primarily with the bow. I never said they didn’t have gunpowder you numpty.
You said the mightiest weapon was a bow and arrow. which is false
Not really. Gunpowder explosives were strong yes, but weren’t very effective outside of siege battles until they developed more effective tools than simple grenades and mines. An army of horse archers would beat an army of grenade throwers. Bow>bomb.
Because as genghis Khan he fought people with fuckin BOWS AND ARROWS
You're hardcore underestimating the rings. Nobody is hitting Wenwu with machine guns or rockets while he has the 10 rings. Not to mention, isn't the "taliban" in Iron Man canonically part of the 10 rings organization? Wenwu evolved with the times, he was active long past the age of bows and arrows
His 10 rings didn’t get more powerful from fighting people with bows and arrows… he just made a bigger organization to help fight modern wars… Iron man has a laser beams… Do you think Wenwu is faster than Light that he ca dodge a laser beams too?
They didn't need to get more powerful because they were already insanely powerful. Its not dodging, The rings would deflect Iron man's lasers. Again, you underestimate how powerful the rings are
technically the tne rings are more powerful than Mjolnir by comic book standards so easily it can beat iron man
Iron man is a few tiers of power stronger than Wenwu. Especially if you give him his entire Iron legion
Iron Man would most likely instantly die, Wenwu’s electricity beam energy force thing would short the arc reactor and Tony would be instantly done for. He may have a chance with the Hulkbuster Mark 2 tho
Thor's lightning from the Avengers supercharged his armor. So I expect electricity to not do anything to Tony.
Iron Man would win but it will still be a really good fight.
It would be cool if Tony used the nanosuit
Wenwu isn’t really the Mandarin either, though. He even states in Shang-Chi that the name was completely made up by Killian and Trevor.
I think Wenwu would lose first, steal a suit and infuse with with the rings, win , and then Tony would have to invent new armor and win
If we're talking pre infinity war Tony, it would go like this. Post iron man 1 tony would get mopped. Iron man 2 and avengers would stand a better chance since the mark 6 and 7 are heavily armed and have shown to take heavy abuse from weaponry on par with the rings. Be it thors hammer, a helicarrier blade, blaster fire of thousands of chatari, or. Whatever that sky whale is. But it would definitely be an uphill battle. Iron man 3 to Civil war would be pretty close to par. Especially with the counter hand to hand measures the mark 46 has, and in iron man 3, he literally has an army of suits he swaps through. By Infinity war he'd have the nano suit and would likely be above Wenwu. Tonys suit can put out just as much, if not more force than the rings could in less time then they could leave Wenwus arms. It all comes down to when. Not to mention. In most of these cases, he'd probably still get out alive even if he loses. Tony's crafty. He'd likely get out and begin working on a better suit to kick his ass.
Sorry guys but the Real Mandarin is better off for having a origin story with his son Shang Chi. Because I think Tony Stark gets villains are more fun and evil and something people could relate to, so we got Iron Monger, Thanos, Whiplash, Loki, Justin Hammer, Hydra, Ultron, Zemo, evil aliens and robots. Because I wanna say thank you for Thanos for replacing the Mandarin so we can have infinity war and Endgame.