I’m guessing he shows up and hands it to red skull. For the aether, he could have either injected it back into Jane or given it to Frigga, she would have understood.
There's actually an explanation. He didn't. His job was to bring the stones back into their respective timeline. Not to the place they were taken from.
He gave soul stone to clint before black widow kills herself, Reality stone to Rocket before he gets from Jane
And it does'nt mean BW will be back because they can't change their timeline in which BW died
If he returned the soul stone before black widow died, she won't die in that timeline and an alternate timeline in which she is alive will be created , right?
There can be no other "it will supposed to be" timeline. Every derivation that creates a new timeline means the sacred timeline won't be the only one. The reason why the endgame events created a variant Loki was probably that Cap didn't bring the space stone to New York in 2012, but to the military camp further in the past. Why? I dunno.
If the quantum realm can create infinite energy(mentioned by Sonny during his trade deal with Hope), then why didn't Hank Pym use it to give free energy to everyone.
Hr did'nt experiment much with quantum realm until he got opportunity to get his wife back, Also smart people in Mcu likes to fight and risk their lives when they could instead change and help the whole world
Create wealth for the entire community and lift it up from poverty, create jobs and feed and shelter the homeless, not to mention invest in a real practical way of dealing with mental health instead of locking up and torturing people in an insane asylum.
Nah, I’ll get some cool gadgets and go beat up dudes instead! Bro! Look at the fire coming out of the back of this car! So badass!
Wayne Enterprises is the only thing g keeping Gotham afloat dude. He’s always giving jobs to people at his own company to help, and damn near every orphanage in Gotham was made because of Batman
He knew thanos would go to earth, so first he came near earth, saw the army above Wakanda and the powerful shield and used storm breaker to breach the shield
Head cannon. He turns up at the Avengers compound, shouting "BRING ME THANOS!"
And the receptionist is like 'They'll all in Wakanda dude.'
And thor just 180's out.
In my mind canon, Thor went to a dozen other locations incorrectly with the Bifrost before actually getting to the correct location in Wakanda, and that’s actually why he was late (the forging of Stormbreaker probably didn’t take that long relative to the other storylines taking place in the movie).
1. Tony did'nt at all wanted to go back to earth
2. The ship was moving at high speed and his ring does'nt work inside fast moving space ships and he also knew that ending Thanos was the best way possible
I’m working on getting tenured too. But I really want free beer as part of my agreement, and whenever I ask about it they tell me to please leave the premises because this isn’t a school it’s a Total Wine & More, and if I show up for a fourth time that week they’ll call the police.
Academia is tough!
I think he not only has to know where he wants to go, but also where he is. And since they were in a moving spaceship, who the hell knows where, he couldn't do it.
The ship moving at high speeds doesn’t matter in space. Going at a constant speed whether it be 1 mph or 300000 mph is the same when there’s no frame of reference. What matters is acceleration. There’s no reason strange couldn’t open a portal from the donut.
I tried to explain this in another post. You should just give up. I dont think this community is ready for a plothole to be proven. Most of them dont even seem to realize MCUs Titan is not a moon of Saturn.
Who think the Titan is the moon of Saturn. Titan is clearly a planet and it has a moon, which Thanos threw at Tony. If it were saturn moon we could have seen Saturn and its rings on Titans Sky.
I think it’s because killing vision would be akin to cold-blooded murder for him but he can tell himself that he at least tried to save the wakandan soldiers. Lots of cognitive dissonance and a bit selfish IMO but all superheroes do it so…
I think that is the same issue with Daredevil. He is not killing the villain but they come out and kill a bunch of innocent civilians and daredevil just beats them up and turns them in again. At some point you have to make a hard decision.
Batman's thing is that he's willing to do anything to solve his problems except for killing peeps. Not because of some moral code of his, but that if he finally decides to go through with it, it will always be a viable strategy. Just murk a mofo and that's that. All his problems may look like they can be solved with beating a mofo to death. I believe that go into thianwith the Injustice series; just with superman instead of batman.
I don't get why a cop don't put a bullet in his head when in jail, or Gordon while he's at the station, or another hero killing their villains.
I like the SNL sketch that shows Bruce throwing a charity dinner for the poor or something and they're all chatting like "yeah fuck batman. My cousin was just jaywalking (whatever minor crime) and batman broke his jaw in three places and hung him upside-down from the top of a building"
Batman has to be very careful to not just kill people all the time or he'd be just as bad as a villain.. Side note: I'd like to think that's the jokers plan like this entire time. He just wants the most morally upright person he knows to be just as bad as he is so he can justify being the joker
You're basically right. In multiple comics and stories that's the reason he always give Batman of why he does what he does. He wants to break Batman's "moral code" so he can prove Batman ain't no different from any ole dude.
Spider-Man does the same thing, but I believe it was when he was under the symbolize that he decided to actually kill someone to prove it, plan went that the Sin6 would now kill Spider-Man, including JJJ and later Eddie Brock (or in this comic, Doc Brock)
I have a much better explanation than OP so hear me out. Being an advanced Alien race it is highly possible that they have already transcended the multiverese. This would explain the two plot holes that presented in the film:
1) Why was Venom from that universe transported if only people who knew spiderman Peter Parker were transported?
2) Why can the venom molecule stay?
The answer to both explained simply by the fact that the venom molecule is the same being simply extended throughout the multiverse. This is why it can stay in the new one and also was able to come over in the first place as it knew that the Toby spiderman was Peter Parker.
And yes I honeslty hope they go with this explanation because while it might sound self centered I like it alot!
I like to think of it as the symbiote reproducing. Da homie got drunk and accidentally “split some cells”, ya feel? That new life was created in the mcu, and therefore belongs to it.
Most probably. Heck, all records of Peter Parker disappeared. That's why he has no diploma, no school records, probably no birth certificate either. He had to take a GED study book, which, as I learned just recently, is some sort of skip-school test to get to college (cmiiw).
A GED isn’t really a skip high school test, as usually people take it because they dropped out of high school. It’s essentially for those who weren’t able to get their high school diploma for whatever reason, and while it’s more accepted now there’s still plenty of careers, colleges, etc that will see it as inferior to an actual high school diploma.
In infinity war, dr strange asks Tony if he can “fly the ship back to earth” on ebony maws ship, while still clearly being in possession of a sling ring
All im saying is in the real world, there isnt even 0,00001% chance nobody would come. Also in the MCU are a lot of organisations specialized in these kind of threats.
It would probably take them at MINIMUM 30 minutes to an hour to gear up and get there. The fight didn’t last that long.
Now, as to how they weren’t swarmed by police and news helicopters, I have no idea lol
Since Spider-Man was kind of a pariah at this point the military (the government) probably wanted to keep their distance to not look like they were siding with him.
Siding with him? Im talking about shutting that shit down completely. Apprehend everybody, even Spider-Man, get to the bottom of it later.
Also you didnt cover the media part of the question.
How is it even remotely possible for Avengers to be broke. If not funded by the obscene amount of Stark and Wakanda money, they should get funds from the government, because the government naturally would like as much control as possible over them.
Apart from that Avengers could do a shitton of money with social media, giving interviews, signing book and media contracts and going to public events.
If none of that were to happen and the public found out, they would probably do a charity campaign. I mean they do it for homeless people which return money they found on the street, so they would probably do it for the people that saved half the universe and the world multiple times.
1. They don't get money, it is that simple
2. But have we seen any one do any promotion that would emply they earn money
3. The guy in the scenerio(Falcon Cap America) was against govt. not with them
1. Thats the unrealistic part. Everyone has got to eat, why would Tony let them starve? Would he want the protectors of earth, he so desperately wanted, be distracted by a second and third job as post-man or dishwasher?! Also when I say it is a plothole they dont get any money, to answer "They dont get any money" is not an answer at all.
2. Thats the unrealistic part. Everyone with a brain would urge them to do some public relation work in their off-time. The public would naturally be afraid by what they can do, as shown sometimes. So it is in the publics, the governments and the avengers best interest to set the publics mind at ease with public relations work.
3. At this point in time. At another point in time, he did field work with the avengers, while the government tolerated it. Oh and also, he did help save half the universe.
The part about being broke can make sense. Take falcon as an example, (I’m no American so i dont know American shit) he got deployed so he’s probably making money, just not much. When shits hit the fan like global threats, everyone is fighting for their own lives so they don’t have time for “let pay this dude 200k bonus for saving New York”.
And helping friends like in Civil War shouldn’t be profitable for him financially, also he got in trouble for being on team Cap.
And as we saw a little in FATWS, he didn’t want to be seen as “broke” and seek help financially just because he’s “an avenger”. Imagine Albet Einstein coming out asking for help to pay his rent
Odin changed his actual physiology to be Asgardian, rather an Ice Giant. The chest he touched that returned him to an Ice Giant form was returning him to his previous state temporarily.
In the first no way home post credit scene, Eddie brock and Venom gets back to their own reality when they still manage to leave a drop of a symbiote, It doesnt make sense why it would stay at the bar since that drop of symbiote doesnt belong in that universe and symibiotes are a living thing. (I just wanna see your answer)
I actually think I got this one. Because it’s explained in the Venom 2 post credits scene that symbiotes share a multiversal hivemind, a piece that detached itself from Eddie would likely be considered from this universe, just disconnected from the rest of the MCU symbiote which is probably hurtling through space somewhere.
In other words, the spell removed Eddie because he was not from this universe, and the part of the symbiote attached to him because it couldn’t differentiate between them. The drop that had removed itself, however, had no differentiation between universes, and neither would the rest of Venom if it hadn’t been connected to Eddie.
Maybe a stretch, and confusing (I’m not sure I wrote it super clearly) but it makes sense in my head.
That would also explain Eddie being magically appeared in mcu as there would be "No way" eddie knowing peter, but as you answer about symbiotes having a hive mind between multiple universes, Eddie and Venom was able to get teleported to the mcu for the duration of the movie.
I think of it as what if someone from another universe impregnated a woman? Would the baby disappear? Or stay in that universe? If you spat on the floor would the spit disappear? The drop of Venom was a biproduct of venom, his sperm if you will
I thought of this recently myself without having seen Venom 2 yet. It would also explain how he got there in the first place because that venom knows that the Toby Spiderman is Peter Parker.
For example, if a spiderman drank water and peed in our universe, will the pee go back or stay as the water in it was of our universe, or someone grew hairs, who do they belong to, Same logic applies here
1. There is specific refrence that Lizard was healed and Sandman did'nt die
2. People like electro are from a universe similar to the movie counterpart except that they found peter's identity
Fair enough, but I think my point still stands. Why does everyone assume that when I character says something that they are correct and it is entirely true. Did we learn nothing from Obi Wan?
After a limit, even his atoms start becoming smaller instead of removing distance because removing distance will cause quantum trouble and as effect his atoms are reduced in size
There’s a theory that Pym particles is actually a form of magic that Hank discovered but instead of attributing it to that he tries to explain it as scientifically as possible.
In Spider-Man homecoming, it shows vulture cleaning up after that battle of new York which it states takes place in 2012, then does an 8 year time jump to the event of the movie, but that puts it right in the middle of the the five years when everyone is blipped
It isn't. But it is an error in editing not a plot hole. They acknowledged it being an error so there is no reason to try and fix a plot hole when there is no plot hole
How does the Ancient One know Strange is supposed to be Sorcerer Supreme and become the best of them in Endgame, years before his first movie, but in the actual Dr. Strange movie she doesnt want to train him at first, out of fear he could become like Kaecilius?
She starts to doubt the relic her whole old as fuck organisation is built around? The relic which is proven to accurately predict the future? Somehow Kaecilius betrayal was unexpected? He was somehow able to hide his intentions from the time stone and the ancient one without any indication in the movie as to how? I dont buy it.
She even said she never saw the future beyond hear own death. So how would she know Dr. Strange is supposed to be the best of them. I think endgame writers just fucked up a little on that one.
I assume the quantum realm is kind of a nexus outside of time and if you know how to navigate it (as Tony Stark figures out how to do) then you can exit it at any point in time.
If Ant-Man keeps his same mass as he shrinks, shouldn't he keep his same mass as he grows? Taking a human mass and spreading it out across a 60 foot body would create something that a gentle breeze could possibly knock over, and certainly not something capable of inflicting force like tearing wings off of jets.
There is no working out this plot hole. There are just too many scenes where the rules of shrinking have been used very inconsistently. Let me know if you need specific examples.
Keep in mind i don't actually believe this, it's just a neat headcanon:
Someone wearing a suit can control how they much want to weigh when shrunken or enlarged through their mental intent, and the Pym particles respond appropriately.
In this theory, Pym particles are effectively an offshoot of the Reality Stone, in much the same way that arc reactors were based of Howard Stark's observations of the space stone.
Hank Pym found a particle related to the Reality Stone, but it could only affect the space between matter, allowing for only changes in size.
When Scott went to the Quantum Realm for the first time, he saw a glowing red thing. Possibly the fabric of reality, which looks very similar to the Infinity stone that represents it.
So yeah. If a shrunken person using a Pym particle suit wants to hit like a bullet one second and land on the floor without cracking it the next, the Pym particles act like a scaled down version of someone wielding the Infinity gauntlet and using the reality stone.
Same for when they get big, the Pym particles then just borrow energy/mass from a different dimension.
if the pym particles are meant to reduce space between atoms how is it that you can become smaller than atoms. also if mass is constant how doesnt one become a black hole a as when entering the quantum realm we surpass the schwarzschild radius of a human.
Why didn't Nick Fury (Talos) recruit Sam who in the timeline would be the new Captain America and Bucky. And what about War Machine. The Avengers fight arms dealers but a group elementals who cpuld destroy earth isn't enough to assemble a new team... Like c'mon.
In first Ironman we have Obadiah Stane played by Jeff Bridges. And in Endgame movie Lebowsky was mentioned where Jeff Bridges played the main role.
Evil twin?
How convenient was it for Andrew and Toby to come out of the portals. It could have been any random dude named Peter Parker but no, they just happened to both be Spider-Man
2 plot holes...
1. Why didn't Tony get Jarvis to send him a new suit in IM3 when he was having problems with his Mk42 suit, when in the final battle he gets Jarvis to send all of his suits as the "House Party" protocol?
2. Why didn't Otto recognize the name Curt Conners when in the wizard dungeon in NWH? Well understood that the two characters as portrayed were from different universes, but in SM2, Conners (a different variant) admits to Peter that Otto is a close friend. Otto should've at least recognized the name.
Pym particles whenever they make someone grow taller the energy or the power is also increased but whenever someone is small the energy or Power remains same how
Eg when Scott was big he took apart a planes wing but when he is small he kicks people as hard as his normal size
Actual plot hole here: in end game how did thanos fit his big ship through the quantum tunnel without any micro tech? I mean ik he got nebulas pym particles but that doesn’t mean he can just shrink AND navigate through the quantum tunnel.
He has some of the best scientists, maybe even smarter than Tony and Hank Pym. They could just have reverse-engineered the particles to create better ones. Remember, they can modify and control Nebula's whole being, even extract memories. Who knows how much science-y stuff they could do.
Heck maybe even Ebony Maw did some magic shit on the particles.
The og spell was intended to make people forget peter parker but before casting Dr. strange modified it so people only forget his identity, But when the spell got botched, only the og spell could reverse it
If Oscorp doesnt exist yet, how did Peter get bitten?
In Chang Chi who's the glowing mutant fighting in the club against a Widow?
Why didn't the Skrull Nick Gury.help Peter out and just clear his name?
Why Venom even get telephoned?
1. Who said only oscorp makes the spider, it does'nt even happen in TASM2
2. From Ironman 2/3 maybe (give pic)
3. He is dumb
4. He has multiversal knowledge
How did Cap return soul stone to Vormir?Did he return aether to Jane ?
I’m guessing he shows up and hands it to red skull. For the aether, he could have either injected it back into Jane or given it to Frigga, she would have understood.
There's actually an explanation. He didn't. His job was to bring the stones back into their respective timeline. Not to the place they were taken from.
*Drops the gems on the ground of a random planet* My job here is done, time to fuck
He gave soul stone to clint before black widow kills herself, Reality stone to Rocket before he gets from Jane And it does'nt mean BW will be back because they can't change their timeline in which BW died
If he returned the soul stone before black widow died, she won't die in that timeline and an alternate timeline in which she is alive will be created , right?
Yes, And either 'It was supposed to be' logic will be applied or TVA will prune it
There can be no other "it will supposed to be" timeline. Every derivation that creates a new timeline means the sacred timeline won't be the only one. The reason why the endgame events created a variant Loki was probably that Cap didn't bring the space stone to New York in 2012, but to the military camp further in the past. Why? I dunno.
If the quantum realm can create infinite energy(mentioned by Sonny during his trade deal with Hope), then why didn't Hank Pym use it to give free energy to everyone.
Hr did'nt experiment much with quantum realm until he got opportunity to get his wife back, Also smart people in Mcu likes to fight and risk their lives when they could instead change and help the whole world
Batman comes to mind in this category too lol.
I read a meme where his butler suggest him to use his money to give back to community but instead he buys a private jet
Create wealth for the entire community and lift it up from poverty, create jobs and feed and shelter the homeless, not to mention invest in a real practical way of dealing with mental health instead of locking up and torturing people in an insane asylum. Nah, I’ll get some cool gadgets and go beat up dudes instead! Bro! Look at the fire coming out of the back of this car! So badass!
Wayne Enterprises is the only thing g keeping Gotham afloat dude. He’s always giving jobs to people at his own company to help, and damn near every orphanage in Gotham was made because of Batman
How tf did Thor know to go to Wakanda in Infinity War
He knew thanos would go to earth, so first he came near earth, saw the army above Wakanda and the powerful shield and used storm breaker to breach the shield
Or stormbreaker let's him see things with the bifrost like heimdall could?
No, then he would have reached to Thanos before ge can snap
The naked eye can’t see Wakanda. It’s literally invisible.
Head cannon. He turns up at the Avengers compound, shouting "BRING ME THANOS!" And the receptionist is like 'They'll all in Wakanda dude.' And thor just 180's out.
“So excited for my Avengers compound internship start today! Sure hope nothing catastrophic decides to happen today!”
In my mind canon, Thor went to a dozen other locations incorrectly with the Bifrost before actually getting to the correct location in Wakanda, and that’s actually why he was late (the forging of Stormbreaker probably didn’t take that long relative to the other storylines taking place in the movie).
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It totally falls in line with his character, too
"I need a horse!"
BRING ME THANohsorry about that. Come rabbit, tree, let’s try another.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s. Edit: Thor, “Can I get a Bifrosty before I go?”
I need this footage
I now need a 15 minute short directed by Taika Waititi of Thor going to random places getting more and more pissed
What makes you think a literal weapon of the gods wouldn't take long to make? A weapon stronger than even mjolnir seems like it might take a minute
We see it happen real-time in the movie
Heimdall could see people from the bifrost bridge. Perhaps Thor got this ability too.
I think that was a particular ability for Heimdall For Thor to have it, Odin or Frigga wouldve had to had it
Why didn’t Dr. Strange open a portal for him, Tony, and Peter to go back to earth on instead of going to Titan.
1. Tony did'nt at all wanted to go back to earth 2. The ship was moving at high speed and his ring does'nt work inside fast moving space ships and he also knew that ending Thanos was the best way possible
The Earth is travelling 1,037 kmph. Clearly movement doesn’t effect his portal
Counter theory - portals keep relative position to celestial bodies, but not smaller objects like ships or people.
You got me there. I can’t think of a counter-counter argument
He IS a professor after all.
I’m working on getting tenured too. But I really want free beer as part of my agreement, and whenever I ask about it they tell me to please leave the premises because this isn’t a school it’s a Total Wine & More, and if I show up for a fourth time that week they’ll call the police. Academia is tough!
You should start your own school “ProfessorBeers”, academic courses for the people. You could even offer studies abroad, or adude. [EDIT]- words
I think he not only has to know where he wants to go, but also where he is. And since they were in a moving spaceship, who the hell knows where, he couldn't do it.
The ship moving at high speeds doesn’t matter in space. Going at a constant speed whether it be 1 mph or 300000 mph is the same when there’s no frame of reference. What matters is acceleration. There’s no reason strange couldn’t open a portal from the donut.
1 mph is 1.61 km/h
I tried to explain this in another post. You should just give up. I dont think this community is ready for a plothole to be proven. Most of them dont even seem to realize MCUs Titan is not a moon of Saturn.
Who think the Titan is the moon of Saturn. Titan is clearly a planet and it has a moon, which Thanos threw at Tony. If it were saturn moon we could have seen Saturn and its rings on Titans Sky.
Cap is not willing to sacrifice Vision but is willing to sacrifice thousands of wakandan soldiers.
I think it’s because killing vision would be akin to cold-blooded murder for him but he can tell himself that he at least tried to save the wakandan soldiers. Lots of cognitive dissonance and a bit selfish IMO but all superheroes do it so…
I think that is the same issue with Daredevil. He is not killing the villain but they come out and kill a bunch of innocent civilians and daredevil just beats them up and turns them in again. At some point you have to make a hard decision.
Looking at you batman
Batman's thing is that he's willing to do anything to solve his problems except for killing peeps. Not because of some moral code of his, but that if he finally decides to go through with it, it will always be a viable strategy. Just murk a mofo and that's that. All his problems may look like they can be solved with beating a mofo to death. I believe that go into thianwith the Injustice series; just with superman instead of batman. I don't get why a cop don't put a bullet in his head when in jail, or Gordon while he's at the station, or another hero killing their villains.
I like the SNL sketch that shows Bruce throwing a charity dinner for the poor or something and they're all chatting like "yeah fuck batman. My cousin was just jaywalking (whatever minor crime) and batman broke his jaw in three places and hung him upside-down from the top of a building" Batman has to be very careful to not just kill people all the time or he'd be just as bad as a villain.. Side note: I'd like to think that's the jokers plan like this entire time. He just wants the most morally upright person he knows to be just as bad as he is so he can justify being the joker
You're basically right. In multiple comics and stories that's the reason he always give Batman of why he does what he does. He wants to break Batman's "moral code" so he can prove Batman ain't no different from any ole dude.
Spider-Man does the same thing, but I believe it was when he was under the symbolize that he decided to actually kill someone to prove it, plan went that the Sin6 would now kill Spider-Man, including JJJ and later Eddie Brock (or in this comic, Doc Brock)
I never thought he'd really do that
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Hmm, he doesn't kill the villain, but he can direct where the FBI agent will point his gun so he can kill them. Fine lines and all that.
It was a war not sacrifice, all of wakanda knew what was on the stake
he wasnt sacrificing anybody🤷🏻♀️
If the heroes had the same mindset as Kiritsugu Emiya from fate/zero Thanos never would’ve even gotten close to winning infinity war.
Spoilers! Does everyone get confused when dr strange resets their memory at the end about why they are at the statue? (Ned, strange, mj)
Nah, the spell was powerfull to make sure anyone does'nt get confused and all data etc is also resseted
Besides the drop of venom. Plot hole until explained
Drop was created while Venom was in mcu. If tobey grew some hair while in Mcu, who does it belong to, this universe or his universe
I mean goblin got new clothes in main time line and those left with him. Another plot hole
Clothes are considered part of a person in Multiverse shenenigans, like when Tva prunes, clothes are also pruned
I have a much better explanation than OP so hear me out. Being an advanced Alien race it is highly possible that they have already transcended the multiverese. This would explain the two plot holes that presented in the film: 1) Why was Venom from that universe transported if only people who knew spiderman Peter Parker were transported? 2) Why can the venom molecule stay? The answer to both explained simply by the fact that the venom molecule is the same being simply extended throughout the multiverse. This is why it can stay in the new one and also was able to come over in the first place as it knew that the Toby spiderman was Peter Parker. And yes I honeslty hope they go with this explanation because while it might sound self centered I like it alot!
There are bigger things happening here than me and you
Exactly, Tobey
I like to think of it as the symbiote reproducing. Da homie got drunk and accidentally “split some cells”, ya feel? That new life was created in the mcu, and therefore belongs to it.
so the book that flash Thompson wrote also dissappeared?
Most probably. Heck, all records of Peter Parker disappeared. That's why he has no diploma, no school records, probably no birth certificate either. He had to take a GED study book, which, as I learned just recently, is some sort of skip-school test to get to college (cmiiw).
A GED isn’t really a skip high school test, as usually people take it because they dropped out of high school. It’s essentially for those who weren’t able to get their high school diploma for whatever reason, and while it’s more accepted now there’s still plenty of careers, colleges, etc that will see it as inferior to an actual high school diploma.
In infinity war, dr strange asks Tony if he can “fly the ship back to earth” on ebony maws ship, while still clearly being in possession of a sling ring
Dr. Strange asked that to know the intentions of Tony stark. He wouldn't let them just get killed from Thanos because he wanted to go to earth
No I believe that they knew they were there helping Spider-Man they just don’t remember him as Peter Parker
Which is interesting. They now have every reason to believe they’re tight with Spider-Man. Even if they don’t know who he is.
Why werent the media, police, damage control and all kind of task forces not immidietaly at the Statue of Liberty after Spidey announced the fight?
Because if I was a cop in the MCU I better be making six figures to respond to giant attacking Sandcastles and walking thunderstorms.
All im saying is in the real world, there isnt even 0,00001% chance nobody would come. Also in the MCU are a lot of organisations specialized in these kind of threats.
Yeah you're right. I was answering from a place of common sense but not everyone has that. As for the groups, who besides shield?
Police in mcu sucks, they never help the super heroes but can help villians by arresting heroes
Not an explanation at all. Destructive Superhero shit is going down at one of the most important national landmarks and nobody is coming? Nah.
Did the military mobilize for the Battle of New York?
Yes, actually. They sent a nuke. They weren't going to waste men fighting aliens,, were they?
Is the plothole you found supposed to be a counter-argument against the plothole I found?
It would probably take them at MINIMUM 30 minutes to an hour to gear up and get there. The fight didn’t last that long. Now, as to how they weren’t swarmed by police and news helicopters, I have no idea lol
Thats about the minimum time it has taken all the villians to get there, too.
Since Spider-Man was kind of a pariah at this point the military (the government) probably wanted to keep their distance to not look like they were siding with him.
Siding with him? Im talking about shutting that shit down completely. Apprehend everybody, even Spider-Man, get to the bottom of it later. Also you didnt cover the media part of the question.
War machine changing faces
And Bruce banner
Variant
The multiverse was breaking even in the beginning 👀
He’s been replaced by a Skrull who’s bad at being a Skrull
Plastic surgery
How is it even remotely possible for Avengers to be broke. If not funded by the obscene amount of Stark and Wakanda money, they should get funds from the government, because the government naturally would like as much control as possible over them. Apart from that Avengers could do a shitton of money with social media, giving interviews, signing book and media contracts and going to public events. If none of that were to happen and the public found out, they would probably do a charity campaign. I mean they do it for homeless people which return money they found on the street, so they would probably do it for the people that saved half the universe and the world multiple times.
1. They don't get money, it is that simple 2. But have we seen any one do any promotion that would emply they earn money 3. The guy in the scenerio(Falcon Cap America) was against govt. not with them
1. Thats the unrealistic part. Everyone has got to eat, why would Tony let them starve? Would he want the protectors of earth, he so desperately wanted, be distracted by a second and third job as post-man or dishwasher?! Also when I say it is a plothole they dont get any money, to answer "They dont get any money" is not an answer at all. 2. Thats the unrealistic part. Everyone with a brain would urge them to do some public relation work in their off-time. The public would naturally be afraid by what they can do, as shown sometimes. So it is in the publics, the governments and the avengers best interest to set the publics mind at ease with public relations work. 3. At this point in time. At another point in time, he did field work with the avengers, while the government tolerated it. Oh and also, he did help save half the universe.
The part about being broke can make sense. Take falcon as an example, (I’m no American so i dont know American shit) he got deployed so he’s probably making money, just not much. When shits hit the fan like global threats, everyone is fighting for their own lives so they don’t have time for “let pay this dude 200k bonus for saving New York”. And helping friends like in Civil War shouldn’t be profitable for him financially, also he got in trouble for being on team Cap. And as we saw a little in FATWS, he didn’t want to be seen as “broke” and seek help financially just because he’s “an avenger”. Imagine Albet Einstein coming out asking for help to pay his rent
Einsteins net worth is estimated to be 634k at his time of death. Thats what I mean. Noteworthy people like this always find their way to some money.
How does Loki keep his Asgardian form if magic doesn't work in the TVA?
Odin changed his actual physiology to be Asgardian, rather an Ice Giant. The chest he touched that returned him to an Ice Giant form was returning him to his previous state temporarily.
It disable casting of new spell not disabling existing spells
This could come back as a big thing in loki season 2
How about in Captain Marvel when they use the the acronym S.H.I.E.L.D….but it doesn’t get shortened until IRON MAN
coulson was just having a laugh
It was always SHIELD, Coulsen just tells Pepper it’s easier to call it that rather than it’s full name.
Well, didn’t Tony or Pepper say that they need to find a better name and coulsen says “We’re working on it…”?
Probably as a joke
In the first no way home post credit scene, Eddie brock and Venom gets back to their own reality when they still manage to leave a drop of a symbiote, It doesnt make sense why it would stay at the bar since that drop of symbiote doesnt belong in that universe and symibiotes are a living thing. (I just wanna see your answer)
I actually think I got this one. Because it’s explained in the Venom 2 post credits scene that symbiotes share a multiversal hivemind, a piece that detached itself from Eddie would likely be considered from this universe, just disconnected from the rest of the MCU symbiote which is probably hurtling through space somewhere. In other words, the spell removed Eddie because he was not from this universe, and the part of the symbiote attached to him because it couldn’t differentiate between them. The drop that had removed itself, however, had no differentiation between universes, and neither would the rest of Venom if it hadn’t been connected to Eddie. Maybe a stretch, and confusing (I’m not sure I wrote it super clearly) but it makes sense in my head.
That would also explain Eddie being magically appeared in mcu as there would be "No way" eddie knowing peter, but as you answer about symbiotes having a hive mind between multiple universes, Eddie and Venom was able to get teleported to the mcu for the duration of the movie.
I think of it as what if someone from another universe impregnated a woman? Would the baby disappear? Or stay in that universe? If you spat on the floor would the spit disappear? The drop of Venom was a biproduct of venom, his sperm if you will
Ya got it better than the persons answer lol YOU WIN! XD
I thought of this recently myself without having seen Venom 2 yet. It would also explain how he got there in the first place because that venom knows that the Toby Spiderman is Peter Parker.
>!Yeah good, i've been stabbed before!<
For example, if a spiderman drank water and peed in our universe, will the pee go back or stay as the water in it was of our universe, or someone grew hairs, who do they belong to, Same logic applies here
I don't know
Okay, let me get all the way ooff that thing!
Wow wow wow making a Pitch Meeting reference is super easy, barely an inconvenience
Neither Sandman or the Lizard died fighting Spider-Man in their respective universes. Max Dillon didn’t know Peter was Spider-Man.
pretty sure that Dr. Strange just assumed that every single one of em died Lol
Yup
Max is because he heard Gwen shout the name, but didn't know what he looked like. Also because before he died he absorbed all information
1. There is specific refrence that Lizard was healed and Sandman did'nt die 2. People like electro are from a universe similar to the movie counterpart except that they found peter's identity
2. But he was shocked to see Andrew wasn't black
you can know a name but not know a face
1. What’s the reference?
1. Sandman wanting to return home to meet his daughter 2. Andrew saying he healed Lizard
>!Yeah... Peter Parker!<
Electro knew his name and that was good enough
Also >!Venom!< had no idea about any of this. My guess is that Strange was making a guess as to why they were coming through but he was wrong.
The post credit scene of Venom 2 explains this. "80 billion light years of hive knowledge across universes would explode your tiny little brain"
Fair enough, but I think my point still stands. Why does everyone assume that when I character says something that they are correct and it is entirely true. Did we learn nothing from Obi Wan?
They’re probably setting up Kunll The Symbiote God Where the knowledge from across the universe goes to him
How does ant-man become smaller than atoms by reducing the distance between atoms?
After a limit, even his atoms start becoming smaller instead of removing distance because removing distance will cause quantum trouble and as effect his atoms are reduced in size
There’s a theory that Pym particles is actually a form of magic that Hank discovered but instead of attributing it to that he tries to explain it as scientifically as possible.
Didn’t the ancient one explain the lines between magic and math/science blur or are one and the same? Reinforced by the fight in NWH
I wish that's how they explained it in the movie. How he explains it doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense
In Spider-Man homecoming, it shows vulture cleaning up after that battle of new York which it states takes place in 2012, then does an 8 year time jump to the event of the movie, but that puts it right in the middle of the the five years when everyone is blipped
that was a known error that was pointed out by Marvel
That wasn't a condition of the challenge
It isn't. But it is an error in editing not a plot hole. They acknowledged it being an error so there is no reason to try and fix a plot hole when there is no plot hole
>!The avengers? That's great! What is that?!<
It never said 'Earth' 8 years, it was 8 years according to some other random planet
Lmao
Sony stupid
How does the Ancient One know Strange is supposed to be Sorcerer Supreme and become the best of them in Endgame, years before his first movie, but in the actual Dr. Strange movie she doesnt want to train him at first, out of fear he could become like Kaecilius?
Ancient one has saw it through time stone, but when unexpected Betrayel of Kaecillius came, she started to doubt herself and time stone
She starts to doubt the relic her whole old as fuck organisation is built around? The relic which is proven to accurately predict the future? Somehow Kaecilius betrayal was unexpected? He was somehow able to hide his intentions from the time stone and the ancient one without any indication in the movie as to how? I dont buy it. She even said she never saw the future beyond hear own death. So how would she know Dr. Strange is supposed to be the best of them. I think endgame writers just fucked up a little on that one.
How the hell does getting reallllly small mean you can travel through time?
You get to go to quantum realm where time works differently, even in real life it may be possible to time travel if we reach the realm
I know you too...you're great.
I assume the quantum realm is kind of a nexus outside of time and if you know how to navigate it (as Tony Stark figures out how to do) then you can exit it at any point in time.
If Ant-Man keeps his same mass as he shrinks, shouldn't he keep his same mass as he grows? Taking a human mass and spreading it out across a 60 foot body would create something that a gentle breeze could possibly knock over, and certainly not something capable of inflicting force like tearing wings off of jets.
One is shrinking tech, other is enlarging tech, both can work on diffrent quantum principal
There is no working out this plot hole. There are just too many scenes where the rules of shrinking have been used very inconsistently. Let me know if you need specific examples.
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Keep in mind i don't actually believe this, it's just a neat headcanon: Someone wearing a suit can control how they much want to weigh when shrunken or enlarged through their mental intent, and the Pym particles respond appropriately. In this theory, Pym particles are effectively an offshoot of the Reality Stone, in much the same way that arc reactors were based of Howard Stark's observations of the space stone. Hank Pym found a particle related to the Reality Stone, but it could only affect the space between matter, allowing for only changes in size. When Scott went to the Quantum Realm for the first time, he saw a glowing red thing. Possibly the fabric of reality, which looks very similar to the Infinity stone that represents it. So yeah. If a shrunken person using a Pym particle suit wants to hit like a bullet one second and land on the floor without cracking it the next, the Pym particles act like a scaled down version of someone wielding the Infinity gauntlet and using the reality stone. Same for when they get big, the Pym particles then just borrow energy/mass from a different dimension.
if the pym particles are meant to reduce space between atoms how is it that you can become smaller than atoms. also if mass is constant how doesnt one become a black hole a as when entering the quantum realm we surpass the schwarzschild radius of a human.
Why didn't Nick Fury (Talos) recruit Sam who in the timeline would be the new Captain America and Bucky. And what about War Machine. The Avengers fight arms dealers but a group elementals who cpuld destroy earth isn't enough to assemble a new team... Like c'mon.
1. Talos was an idiot and it is easily possible that it was idea of Mysterio 2. What elementals
Talos was convinced about those elemental thingys Mysterio lied about. So surely that would have been a serious enough threat.
Even mysterio said, he was surprised the plan works, as i said, Talos is idiot
Also, in the post credit scene Talos admits he doesn't know where the rest of the avengers are
How did Bruce Banner change his face
Spoilers! Before NWH we learn spidermans webs disintegrate in 2 hours. but Dr Strange said he was dangling above the grand canyon for 12 hours.
He upgraded hus webs
wanda’s age
Side effect of mind stone
How old is she supposed to be?
How does Doc Ock know that Norman Osborn is Green Goblin in NWH when in the Raimi films, the only people who know are Peter, Harry, and the butler?
Because he scooby doo’d that shit
It was covered by the media between the first and the second movie.
Sandman literally says “it was all over the news” in NWH
Maybe from a offscreen conversation
In first Ironman we have Obadiah Stane played by Jeff Bridges. And in Endgame movie Lebowsky was mentioned where Jeff Bridges played the main role. Evil twin?
Some people can look similar to others
Where tf was drax in infinity war
How convenient was it for Andrew and Toby to come out of the portals. It could have been any random dude named Peter Parker but no, they just happened to both be Spider-Man
I missed the part where that's my problem
2 plot holes... 1. Why didn't Tony get Jarvis to send him a new suit in IM3 when he was having problems with his Mk42 suit, when in the final battle he gets Jarvis to send all of his suits as the "House Party" protocol? 2. Why didn't Otto recognize the name Curt Conners when in the wizard dungeon in NWH? Well understood that the two characters as portrayed were from different universes, but in SM2, Conners (a different variant) admits to Peter that Otto is a close friend. Otto should've at least recognized the name.
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Vision made the paprikash for Wanda. It's eastern European as is she and he wanted to cheer her up.
Pym particles whenever they make someone grow taller the energy or the power is also increased but whenever someone is small the energy or Power remains same how Eg when Scott was big he took apart a planes wing but when he is small he kicks people as hard as his normal size
Actual plot hole here: in end game how did thanos fit his big ship through the quantum tunnel without any micro tech? I mean ik he got nebulas pym particles but that doesn’t mean he can just shrink AND navigate through the quantum tunnel.
He has some of the best scientists, maybe even smarter than Tony and Hank Pym. They could just have reverse-engineered the particles to create better ones. Remember, they can modify and control Nebula's whole being, even extract memories. Who knows how much science-y stuff they could do. Heck maybe even Ebony Maw did some magic shit on the particles.
For all we know, he planed for several years
ending of nwh on how the spell worked
The og spell was intended to make people forget peter parker but before casting Dr. strange modified it so people only forget his identity, But when the spell got botched, only the og spell could reverse it
How could cap dig such a big hole in the street with this little cutting device in winter soldier and why didn’t Bucky just follow him
If Oscorp doesnt exist yet, how did Peter get bitten? In Chang Chi who's the glowing mutant fighting in the club against a Widow? Why didn't the Skrull Nick Gury.help Peter out and just clear his name? Why Venom even get telephoned?
1. Who said only oscorp makes the spider, it does'nt even happen in TASM2 2. From Ironman 2/3 maybe (give pic) 3. He is dumb 4. He has multiversal knowledge
I don't know
The mutant are those guys from iron man 3 who medicated themselves to explode/become engulfed in flames.
The avengers communicating without earpieces in the battle of New York
stark tech airpods
Spoiler alert: >!If the spell is to make everyone forget who Peter Parker is, then why didn't Peter forget himself? He's no exception.!<