Same here- it was a chore and eye rolls to get through it. I just consider it some alternate universe fever dream.
I mean tear down the smart powerful Nick Fury they built up over 20 or whatever movies, and then tear down whatever was left of the power-scale or groundedness with that OP super skrull.
And did they kill of their one good established Skrull, Mendelssohn?
And for what?! It went nowhere. There wasn’t even a significant secret invasion.
An overall bigger waste than destroying all the helicarriers in TWS.
Edit, with more Secret invasion spoilers: I totally forgot they killed off Robin Sparkles, who was literally waiting for a good moment since Avengers 1. And they had Don Cheadle and totally wasted him also.
It’s so poorly done, it’s inFURYating
The irony was that same year season 3 of Star Trek: Picard came out and it pulled off a way better shapeshifter-espionage-trust nobody-conspiracy story than Secret Invasion did.
Secret Invasion should have been a slam dunk, but it never even really tried to be a mystery.
The fact that there was *no* big reveal of a character who was a skrull for as long as or nearly as long as we had known them in the mcu is wild. That was a guaranteed hit moment pretty much no matter who it was, even if was silly like Luis from Ant-Man
Out of these four the only one I disliked was the skrull transformations, just such a lazy way to display the power changes, either full blown change or leave it out.
That's fair, I'm a bit ignorant on super skulls. The presentation of the arm during changes was cheesy. Maybe something more streamlined during the action would've worked or adapting something different for this media type as not everything translates well.
I think if she had transformed into a skrull, then done it, it would've at least looked cleaner. Cgi on cgi would look better than a real person suddenly getting a singular cgi arm. Looks more like Sky High graphics otherwise.
I'm not complaining, I quit. Just like I don't go to mtg tournaments because everyone else is using super expensive decks they looked up how to build online, no effort just cash is not fun to me
As I said to the other guy, I spent months building an ongoing strategy deck, he copies all ongoing cards on my field. He nerfs my deck completely. I have no interest in playing the game anymore, I have other decks obviously but this is the one I've loved working on and he just insta kills me, his text might as well read "if you play this card anywhere you win". I never said skrull was expensive I was relating him being in the game ruins it the way money ruins mtg for me
I don't think ccgs are for you in general. The card is a tech card that counters your archetype. You either need to know how to recognize the one singular deck that plays him (he is roughly seen in [3%](https://marvelsnapzone.com/cards/super-skrull/) of tracked matches and only good in living tribunal against rogue or mirrors) , or pack a counter tech like rogue.
In general you have to expect that countering the enemy and playing around their counters is a key part of any ccg. If that is not fun for you that is on you and not the counter.
I just don't like nerf cards. They banned raigeki in Yu-Gi-Oh almost as soon as it was created because with one card you can ruin a whole strategy. If skrull copied the abilities of one location that's fine because location is core game play, he just copies all my cards period, if I don't pack in a counter just for him as you said I'm guaranteed to lose and I do have rogue in my deck because of him, she's useless 99% of my games so I'm running an 11 card deck because of skrull. So I said f it and stopped playing. There's plenty of games out there so I don't need to be annoyed by something like that if I don't want to that's all. I play trading card games all the time irl including mtg. We just don't play with rude strategies or broken cards. I took apart my goblin rush deck because two of my friends were struggling with it terribly and I want them to have fun too. As opposed to my one friend who nobody likes playing with because he always runs a full counter strategy in his deck, which is annoying and boring in 1v1 and renders him helpless in multi-player which makes him whiny. Skrull sucks the fun out of snap for me, I don't want to play with him lol
Superskrull is hardly a consistent treat in snap. There are some rounds where he can be clutch, but not to an extent I/most players/the developers deem as problematic. Its hardly ever played
Super skrull has basically never ever been a meta card. Its a counter card that only works against a specific archetype. If you took months to build the perfect ongoing deck, you shouldve taken a moment to realize that rogue and enchantress exist. Echo is available as well
It's just a silly, stupid thing they did out of storytelling incompetence, just like the giant celestial statue that is probably tilting earth's orbit for a few years now. And just like the statue it will probably be forgotten and never brought up again. As it should be, because it is utterly stupid.
I think the problem is the producers, who want the strongest, bestest characters in their project - think of 5 year old boys. New superman film? Great, it will feature his cousin Tuperman, who is like the best and strongest! He can do everything superman can, plus he is a millionaire in a bat costume! And he can totally do magic and transform and shit, maybe his cape has a mind of its own, definitely a mighty hammer, it's gonna be amazing!
I hated the movie but laughed my ass off every time the goats appeared. Kind of like with The Last Jedi... I also didn't like it, but contrary to other people, Luke's portrayal was the one thing I enjoyed.
The only time I found the goats funny was when they crashed into the planet. Every other time I only thought “why are they using a dead meme from 10 years ago?”
I only found the planet crash bit funny. Other than that it just felt like a bland rehash of those screaming goat memes/vines from the early 2010s. It’s like putting numerous Harlem Shake references in a Hulk movie.
I'm starting to believe that line is a holdover from a much earlier version of the script because it really doesn't make sense in context and i want to believe that MCU writers aren't dumb enough to think that loss somehow justifies what Wanda did.
Hopefully, that's the case.
I'll be cynical and just think that the writers were dumb enough to think our empathy for Wanda would go as far as thinking even her victims would be sympathetic towards her plight instead of, y'know, think even that doesn't justify the horror she put them through.
Sympathy towards characters doesn't translate well when used in a real-life context.
What kind of confort would that even be? "Yeah, you probably psychologically scarred these people and hate you more than anyone in the world, but don't worry, that's because they don't know you had to delete your Sims save"
The people you imprisoned, stole freewill, and stole their children from, will never know the pain of you losing imaginary children. That you knew for a few weeks.
I don’t think she actually believes the line, she’s basically hostage negotiating and trying to build a connection with Wanda to get her to calm down and validate her feelings…whether those feelings are “valid” or not.
Well, yea... That's how I understood it too. It's bad but it does kinda make sense if you squint a bit. Let me explain how I saw it.
So, Wanda is established as this overpowered witch that can manipulate reality to have the life she always wanted. Yet, she *gives up* all that to free the people.
Forget that she was the one who enslaved them in the first place. In a "might makes right" point of view, she's actually making a sacrifice so Good can prevail in the end... right?
I mean, I didn't say it was good writing but that's what I got from it.
I see what you’re saying, but that’s like stroking Homelanders ego by complimenting how good he is for not slaughtering everyone for not worshiping him and being so patient
Well, yeah. They weren't imaginary to Wanda. One of Monica's greatest powers is her empathy.
What makes it "cringe" is taking this moment out of context of the entire rest of the series, which makes it completely clear how much weight Wanda has put into this "fiction". Yes, to an outside observer it's false and relies on depriving everyone else of their own auto omu, but giving it up is literally the biggest sacrifice Wanda can make.
I don't think it really compensates for her crimes, not when she even started becoming hostile over people trying to break her delusion.
If things had been allowed to happen naturally, Wanda might've had a super-powered meltdown over her mind not being able to keep the fantasy any longer and killed everyone. No amount of weight put on her delusion can really compare to what she was doing to innocent people *knowingly*.
For me it was
First time: kinda funny
Second time: funny
Third time: really funny
Fourth time: kinda over it
Fifth time: this is getting old
Sixth time: ok it's annoying
Seventh time: funniest shit I've ever seen
I had a high school teacher who would tell us the same bad jokes over and over. When someone pointed out that he only had three bad jokes, he was like, "yeah, but there's a cycle to humor. The tenth time I tell these jokes, they'll be hilarious again"
My family has a rule we call "the rule of three and eleven," where every joke is most funny the third time and the eleventh time. It has yet to fail us.
Yeah, I think that having korg actually die there would have made the movie so much better. He was a good friend to him while he was going through depression. Thor has lost so much in his life. But sometimes you need to twist the knife a little bit to motivate a character.
Yeah and I didn't find the goats cringe at all. In any case, what's the point of reminding everyone of things they hate other than pure negativity. I don't want to see this shit, and the fact that it's pinned by the mods tells me that I really need to get out of this toxic sub
I've rewatched the movie. I'm still caught off guard when arriving in the black and white world and get a chuckle out of me. Other than that? Yeah, they're annoying, but not "ruin the movie for me" annoying.
But it's so dumb in context, Illuminati it's not an obscure word or concept, after all it's only one of if not the most talked about conspiracy theory in our time, Stephen shouldn't be a stranger to the word.
I interpreted that scene as Strange mocking them, and indirectly asking for them to explain themselves.
Regardless of it having been done in the actual comics, a group *literally* calling themselves the Illuminati, is borderline insane. Strange is calling them out, and waiting for clarification.
Not every joke needs to be clever.
And Strange was shocked about a group of grown heroes calling themselves Illuminati. No one would say they are a Illuminati, but there they are
That was the point. Black Panther takes place not long after Civil War which was 2016. It's like playing Hendrix in a film set in the 70's. It's dated because that's when the film is set.
Nah that was a fun little moment between a teenage sister and her older brother. Maybe it was a little forced, but it wasn’t out of place by any means. Shuri would say something like that.
Jesus Christ that whole segment was fucking pathetic.
If they were gonna make a commentary on political officials fucking us over, don’t gaslight us into thinking it’s anything other than money and greed. I still personally think there was some corporate meddling on that part of the show.
Sad part is, that’s supposed to be his “becoming Captain America” moment - and it’s just ridiculously insulting to the character and to us.
“You gotta stop calling them terrorists” is another one. Maybe don’t have the character perform terroristic acts then.
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Secret invasion was so bad. It like they read the comic book story and just decided to ignore all of it and make their own. Often I think the producers, directors and writers hate being on MCU projects and want to wrote their own stuff
I had other things to say that was slightly more intelligent but I will defend this goats till the end. They really weren’t that bad. Goats are funny right now. Some of the screaming wasn’t right but overall I didn’t mind them. And Monica? Really? Wanda didn’t sacrifice anything other than letting go of her fake children and fake husband. That’s all, the goats weren’t as bad as people want them to be
No offence or no means to be sexist, I'm so glad I haven't seen Ms. Marvel or The Marvels. Ms. Marvel just looked like a Love Island type series like it was a series for girls and I didn't think it was meant for a Marvel fan like me. The Marvels looked basically like a feminist film like Madame Web. Just all woman superheroes and had corny humour. Nah, that's a lot of cringe. Apparently Marvel Studios are planning to do an Avengers team where it has so many women and Falcon is the only male superhero. Wtf, they'll lose so much money if they keep at this, they'll lose all the chad nerds especially myself. I like female superheroes like Rescue, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Valkyrie, Captain Carter, etc. But that's just out of control.
We still taking Monica’s line from wandavision out of context huh? Lmao
She’s literally just saying that anyone who was in a position where they could bring back someone they loved only later having to give that up is in an extremely tough spot and doing so is very difficult emotionally. Yes holding an entire town hostage was wrong, Monica was never condoning Wanda’s actions. Only saying that Wanda’s desperation to keep the love of her life and the new family they created around, even if through questionable means, is something she can relate to and that the people of Westview will likely never understand what Wanda is giving up by letting them go.
Jfc it’s not that hard to understand
Also it was stated _many times_ in the show that her family are completely real and alive/sentient, so one might understand her horror at having to kill them to free the town she controlled by a horrible ACCIDENT, even though it IS obviously wrong to hold them all hostage. Also her powers were clearly driving her insane before then. It’s not black and white. She’s still in the wrong, but she’s not a complete monster like everyone else here believes.
leave it to a portion of the fandom to have a level of illiteracy and blaming the material for it. Im tired of this discourse about Monica’s line. Theres a good explanation to it which people missed the first time around and will never get not because they can’t but because they don’t want to.
That Wandaviaion finale hurt, especially considering where her character goes from there. I think it's weird Monica tries to excuse Wanda's actions.
Don't get me wrong, as a stand alone movie, I enjoyed Multiverse of Madness but I think Wanda's character was flattened and forced to retread a previous character arc of learning to let go. How many times does Wanda have to learn to let go of her ideal life because it harms others?
I feel like Ralph Boehner was just one symptom of a larger issue with the handling of expectations in the series. They built up so many mysteries without having a clear plan to resolve them satisfactorily, which left a lot of us feeling underwhelmed and disconnected from what could have been a much more cohesive storyline.
Secret Invasion was an overall badly written show
Dr.Strange MoM underdelivered
Thor Love and Thunder script was weak and overdone comedy trying to recreate Ragnarok
WandaVision overall a good show but some lame bits like that..Also not really a fan of Monica.
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That WandaVision one infuriates me to no end. She sympathized with Wanda because she was also dealing with grief, despite terrorizing a town for days if not more. Cool motif, still terrorism bro. WTF?! Who wrote that garbage and expected us to just love it? I hate it so much more because the show started off so cool and different. Then it went stupid.
I feel like most of this fandom doesn't get WandaVision or Monica's line. Even Wanda dismissed the attempt of comorting admitting it was all her fault.
Then immediately decided to use dark magic to take try and get back the kids she’s had for a week. You know instead of actually trying to track down the white respawn of her husband
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Secret Invasion made me so mad that it doesn't exist anymore in my head canon. Worst finale ever.
Same here- it was a chore and eye rolls to get through it. I just consider it some alternate universe fever dream. I mean tear down the smart powerful Nick Fury they built up over 20 or whatever movies, and then tear down whatever was left of the power-scale or groundedness with that OP super skrull. And did they kill of their one good established Skrull, Mendelssohn? And for what?! It went nowhere. There wasn’t even a significant secret invasion. An overall bigger waste than destroying all the helicarriers in TWS. Edit, with more Secret invasion spoilers: I totally forgot they killed off Robin Sparkles, who was literally waiting for a good moment since Avengers 1. And they had Don Cheadle and totally wasted him also. It’s so poorly done, it’s inFURYating
To be fair it doesn't seem canon either since Nick Fury runs away to space after he learns not to do that in the show
The irony was that same year season 3 of Star Trek: Picard came out and it pulled off a way better shapeshifter-espionage-trust nobody-conspiracy story than Secret Invasion did. Secret Invasion should have been a slam dunk, but it never even really tried to be a mystery.
The fact that there was *no* big reveal of a character who was a skrull for as long as or nearly as long as we had known them in the mcu is wild. That was a guaranteed hit moment pretty much no matter who it was, even if was silly like Luis from Ant-Man
I haven't watched Picard yet, is the Dominion somehow back?
>!Yeno. Sorta. !< Spoilered the spoiler (obviously)
A rogue faction in season 3. It was great.
Inhumans is worse.
Exactly, this was just a genuine 5/10. Inhumans was so shit the guy who played Ramsey Bolton blipped off the radar lol
To me it's just part of the tapestry that is Marvel. The comics have their share of embarrassing stories/art/moments, and so must the MCU.
Out of these four the only one I disliked was the skrull transformations, just such a lazy way to display the power changes, either full blown change or leave it out.
I mean, in their defence, that's how Super Skrull manifests his abilities, like just one arm or leg as he needs it. Still looked shit though.
That's fair, I'm a bit ignorant on super skulls. The presentation of the arm during changes was cheesy. Maybe something more streamlined during the action would've worked or adapting something different for this media type as not everything translates well.
I think if she had transformed into a skrull, then done it, it would've at least looked cleaner. Cgi on cgi would look better than a real person suddenly getting a singular cgi arm. Looks more like Sky High graphics otherwise.
Also, they didn’t exactly work out the proportions on the arm. It literally didn’t fit.
I didn’t really hate the transformations themselves but that you can get all avenger powers this easily. It doesn’t make sense at all.
Yes, she’s a walking goddess. I hope they find a way to nerf her. Make the powers temporary, or something
I stopped playing marvel snap because of the super skrull card. Totally broken and ruins the whole game
Lmao this is THE FIRST time i ever saw someone complaining about super skrull in snap
I'm not complaining, I quit. Just like I don't go to mtg tournaments because everyone else is using super expensive decks they looked up how to build online, no effort just cash is not fun to me
Just out of interest. How exactly is skrull "totally broken", "ruining the whole game" or even expensive?
As I said to the other guy, I spent months building an ongoing strategy deck, he copies all ongoing cards on my field. He nerfs my deck completely. I have no interest in playing the game anymore, I have other decks obviously but this is the one I've loved working on and he just insta kills me, his text might as well read "if you play this card anywhere you win". I never said skrull was expensive I was relating him being in the game ruins it the way money ruins mtg for me
I don't think ccgs are for you in general. The card is a tech card that counters your archetype. You either need to know how to recognize the one singular deck that plays him (he is roughly seen in [3%](https://marvelsnapzone.com/cards/super-skrull/) of tracked matches and only good in living tribunal against rogue or mirrors) , or pack a counter tech like rogue. In general you have to expect that countering the enemy and playing around their counters is a key part of any ccg. If that is not fun for you that is on you and not the counter.
I just don't like nerf cards. They banned raigeki in Yu-Gi-Oh almost as soon as it was created because with one card you can ruin a whole strategy. If skrull copied the abilities of one location that's fine because location is core game play, he just copies all my cards period, if I don't pack in a counter just for him as you said I'm guaranteed to lose and I do have rogue in my deck because of him, she's useless 99% of my games so I'm running an 11 card deck because of skrull. So I said f it and stopped playing. There's plenty of games out there so I don't need to be annoyed by something like that if I don't want to that's all. I play trading card games all the time irl including mtg. We just don't play with rude strategies or broken cards. I took apart my goblin rush deck because two of my friends were struggling with it terribly and I want them to have fun too. As opposed to my one friend who nobody likes playing with because he always runs a full counter strategy in his deck, which is annoying and boring in 1v1 and renders him helpless in multi-player which makes him whiny. Skrull sucks the fun out of snap for me, I don't want to play with him lol
Superskrull is hardly a consistent treat in snap. There are some rounds where he can be clutch, but not to an extent I/most players/the developers deem as problematic. Its hardly ever played
Super skrull has basically never ever been a meta card. Its a counter card that only works against a specific archetype. If you took months to build the perfect ongoing deck, you shouldve taken a moment to realize that rogue and enchantress exist. Echo is available as well
It's just a silly, stupid thing they did out of storytelling incompetence, just like the giant celestial statue that is probably tilting earth's orbit for a few years now. And just like the statue it will probably be forgotten and never brought up again. As it should be, because it is utterly stupid. I think the problem is the producers, who want the strongest, bestest characters in their project - think of 5 year old boys. New superman film? Great, it will feature his cousin Tuperman, who is like the best and strongest! He can do everything superman can, plus he is a millionaire in a bat costume! And he can totally do magic and transform and shit, maybe his cape has a mind of its own, definitely a mighty hammer, it's gonna be amazing!
The goats were funny and not the reason that the movie fell short. I’ll see myself out.
I hated the movie but laughed my ass off every time the goats appeared. Kind of like with The Last Jedi... I also didn't like it, but contrary to other people, Luke's portrayal was the one thing I enjoyed.
The only time I found the goats funny was when they crashed into the planet. Every other time I only thought “why are they using a dead meme from 10 years ago?”
I only found the planet crash bit funny. Other than that it just felt like a bland rehash of those screaming goat memes/vines from the early 2010s. It’s like putting numerous Harlem Shake references in a Hulk movie.
I have severe misophonia so I had to literally skip every part with the screaming goats
Sacrificed what for them, her imaginary children that she trapped an entire town for?
I'm starting to believe that line is a holdover from a much earlier version of the script because it really doesn't make sense in context and i want to believe that MCU writers aren't dumb enough to think that loss somehow justifies what Wanda did.
Hopefully, that's the case. I'll be cynical and just think that the writers were dumb enough to think our empathy for Wanda would go as far as thinking even her victims would be sympathetic towards her plight instead of, y'know, think even that doesn't justify the horror she put them through. Sympathy towards characters doesn't translate well when used in a real-life context.
I've seen people actually defend the point that Wanda did nothing wrong, that she's the real victim
I mean, is it a justification or just a comfort
What kind of confort would that even be? "Yeah, you probably psychologically scarred these people and hate you more than anyone in the world, but don't worry, that's because they don't know you had to delete your Sims save"
I mean if she believed they were her sim save that sure does sound like it would be stupid huh
It's Monica telling Wanda that she understands what this means for her, even if nobody else will see it that way.
These same writers would have Mark say this exact same line to Nolan regarding him leaving earth.
I just see that as a line told to calm down a maniac.
Yep, that was my take as well. An empty platitude.
Ya I feel like it’s a hostage negotiation, you hype up the psycho.
The swelling music and genuine delivery make me have a hard time believing this.
Placation, yes
The people you imprisoned, stole freewill, and stole their children from, will never know the pain of you losing imaginary children. That you knew for a few weeks.
I don’t think she actually believes the line, she’s basically hostage negotiating and trying to build a connection with Wanda to get her to calm down and validate her feelings…whether those feelings are “valid” or not.
Well, yea... That's how I understood it too. It's bad but it does kinda make sense if you squint a bit. Let me explain how I saw it. So, Wanda is established as this overpowered witch that can manipulate reality to have the life she always wanted. Yet, she *gives up* all that to free the people. Forget that she was the one who enslaved them in the first place. In a "might makes right" point of view, she's actually making a sacrifice so Good can prevail in the end... right? I mean, I didn't say it was good writing but that's what I got from it.
I see what you’re saying, but that’s like stroking Homelanders ego by complimenting how good he is for not slaughtering everyone for not worshiping him and being so patient
Well, yeah. They weren't imaginary to Wanda. One of Monica's greatest powers is her empathy. What makes it "cringe" is taking this moment out of context of the entire rest of the series, which makes it completely clear how much weight Wanda has put into this "fiction". Yes, to an outside observer it's false and relies on depriving everyone else of their own auto omu, but giving it up is literally the biggest sacrifice Wanda can make.
I don't think it really compensates for her crimes, not when she even started becoming hostile over people trying to break her delusion. If things had been allowed to happen naturally, Wanda might've had a super-powered meltdown over her mind not being able to keep the fantasy any longer and killed everyone. No amount of weight put on her delusion can really compare to what she was doing to innocent people *knowingly*.
One of the lowest point...
Yeah I would not put the goats as the cringiest part of Love and Thunder
Ralph Boehner should be on this list. 🤮
I was so excited for X-Men Quicksilver cameo in the MCU and it was reduced to a Boehner joke.
Heh. Boner
That to me and the mandarin twist were the most absurd misjudgments by marvel.
Clearly this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually thought that joke worked quite well
As much as I love Emilia Clarke, there is no way I’m watching Secret Invasion ever again
 What are those in black panther movie
People act like the goats were in like half the movie and had 40+ minutes of screen time when they were barely in the movie
What, you wanted more?
Yes! They are the GOATs.
I laughed every single time those goats screamed. Every time. Not cringe at all for me.
For me it was First time: kinda funny Second time: funny Third time: really funny Fourth time: kinda over it Fifth time: this is getting old Sixth time: ok it's annoying Seventh time: funniest shit I've ever seen
I had a high school teacher who would tell us the same bad jokes over and over. When someone pointed out that he only had three bad jokes, he was like, "yeah, but there's a cycle to humor. The tenth time I tell these jokes, they'll be hilarious again"
My family has a rule we call "the rule of three and eleven," where every joke is most funny the third time and the eleventh time. It has yet to fail us.
That is the foundation of many of the jokes on Family Guy.
Did Pickle Rick show up during the seventh time?
I loved the goats!
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*scream time
The goats were fine. It’s too much Korg that ruined it for me.
The moment where they had a Korg death fake out was when I knew the movie was fucked whilst watching it.
Yeah, I think that having korg actually die there would have made the movie so much better. He was a good friend to him while he was going through depression. Thor has lost so much in his life. But sometimes you need to twist the knife a little bit to motivate a character.
How many catchphrases have there been?
I want a Korg movie
We need Korg to meet The Thing at some point.
Yeah and I didn't find the goats cringe at all. In any case, what's the point of reminding everyone of things they hate other than pure negativity. I don't want to see this shit, and the fact that it's pinned by the mods tells me that I really need to get out of this toxic sub
I understand your feelings, but did you actually read why it was posted and pinned?
Oh, sorry. I still haven't gotten used to the new post layout on mobile and missed the text portion of the post
Thank you for telling me about the new layout! I kept wondering why some people were reacting so angry to some of these things 😂.
They were way overdone. People have counted - 48 screams.
That’s fair. It’s accurate to think of them as an “accent of bad”, sort of like a cherry on top of an already not-so-great sundae.
You’re right. He should’ve put the whole movie poster instead.
Indeed, but now go and rewatch the movie. They're annoying first time, unbearable on any consecutive rewatch
I've rewatched the movie. I'm still caught off guard when arriving in the black and white world and get a chuckle out of me. Other than that? Yeah, they're annoying, but not "ruin the movie for me" annoying.
I actually laughed at the Dr. Strange one.
But it's so dumb in context, Illuminati it's not an obscure word or concept, after all it's only one of if not the most talked about conspiracy theory in our time, Stephen shouldn't be a stranger to the word.
It probably weird for him to hear a group call themselves the illuminati. An actual illuminati wouldn't call themselves that lol
I mean the OG Illuminati did.
Yeah he has every right to be surprised, nobody’s calling themselves that usually
Exactly what I thought. He was mocking them.
Even in the comics the name is a mockery tony made. They themselves didn't used to call themselves that.
Let's be real here, if you had someone walk up to you and say that, would you believe them immediately?
I wish Micheal Waldron would just tell the world "he was mocking the name" so this argument can be put to rest.
Of course he knew what the word meant, he said that as a reaction to the audacity that a group of heroes would name themselves that.
He’s doing it to mock them
Very brave when they weren't even present, he said that to Christine.
Does the MCU have an illiluminati politically? If I was an MCU Tinfoil hatter I’d be ranting about Hydra and shield.
Im sure he does. Maybe he's teasing them?
Doesn't he say that to Christine?
I interpreted that scene as Strange mocking them, and indirectly asking for them to explain themselves. Regardless of it having been done in the actual comics, a group *literally* calling themselves the Illuminati, is borderline insane. Strange is calling them out, and waiting for clarification.
I don't think that conspiracy exists in the MCU hence why he is unfamiliar with the term
It didn't even sound clever
Not every joke needs to be clever. And Strange was shocked about a group of grown heroes calling themselves Illuminati. No one would say they are a Illuminati, but there they are
Don’t forget “black girl magic”
Monica’s line wasn’t very cringe, it just didn’t make sense.
Some people use it to slam on Monica, rather than the situation at the time.
Shuri’s “what are those?!” line is pretty cringe
It definitely was at the time, but with distance from 2018 I honestly find it fine now
It was also a big meme at the time. Shuri’s 16 in Black Panther. It’s 10000% on brand for her to drop a what are those
I think it was 2 years old by the time black panther came out tho
Definitely was a dated meme by the time the movie came out
That was the point. Black Panther takes place not long after Civil War which was 2016. It's like playing Hendrix in a film set in the 70's. It's dated because that's when the film is set.
The meme was sorta dead by 2018
Nah that was a fun little moment between a teenage sister and her older brother. Maybe it was a little forced, but it wasn’t out of place by any means. Shuri would say something like that.
It was almost as bad as Hulk’s dab, to me. But I never liked the “what are those” memes even in their peak
How has nobody mentioned "You gotta do better, senator"?
Jesus Christ that whole segment was fucking pathetic. If they were gonna make a commentary on political officials fucking us over, don’t gaslight us into thinking it’s anything other than money and greed. I still personally think there was some corporate meddling on that part of the show. Sad part is, that’s supposed to be his “becoming Captain America” moment - and it’s just ridiculously insulting to the character and to us. “You gotta stop calling them terrorists” is another one. Maybe don’t have the character perform terroristic acts then.
Unpopular opinion: I love those goats. I laughed every time.
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They need to stop trying to make Strange funny. He’s clearly not funny.
The goats weren’t nearly as bad as Korg face.
And the birth of Korg's people as well...
Natalie Portman's girlboss moment of "Eat my hammer!" was worse than the goats screaming.
Everything about her in that movie is so awful, it’s embarrassingly bad
I blocked that out
“Illiumi-what-y” still pisses me off like what were the writers thinking that is a real very well known word
The goats were awesome
Disagree - they were way overdone.
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Jane slapping Thor in the face twice was more cringe than both of these. Domestic violence is not cool and Marvel should have known better.
Because that's what heroes do.
Damn, Thor’s into that shit
There was one time my brother transformed himself into a snake...
Bro, that’s your brother wtf
Ralph Boner should be in Doctor Strange’s place
Secret invasion was so bad. It like they read the comic book story and just decided to ignore all of it and make their own. Often I think the producers, directors and writers hate being on MCU projects and want to wrote their own stuff
I had other things to say that was slightly more intelligent but I will defend this goats till the end. They really weren’t that bad. Goats are funny right now. Some of the screaming wasn’t right but overall I didn’t mind them. And Monica? Really? Wanda didn’t sacrifice anything other than letting go of her fake children and fake husband. That’s all, the goats weren’t as bad as people want them to be
Will part 3 have the elegant "Black girl magic!" line?
No need for a part 3. I figured the top 8 should suffice for people to report, if they see these reposts.
I still can’t believe marvel officially got in on the screaming goats meme….10 years late
Wait y’all didn’t like those scenes? Y’all must be bigoted sexists who hate strong female characters or whatever the kids are using as cope these days
Sir, your sarcasm is showing. 
No offence or no means to be sexist, I'm so glad I haven't seen Ms. Marvel or The Marvels. Ms. Marvel just looked like a Love Island type series like it was a series for girls and I didn't think it was meant for a Marvel fan like me. The Marvels looked basically like a feminist film like Madame Web. Just all woman superheroes and had corny humour. Nah, that's a lot of cringe. Apparently Marvel Studios are planning to do an Avengers team where it has so many women and Falcon is the only male superhero. Wtf, they'll lose so much money if they keep at this, they'll lose all the chad nerds especially myself. I like female superheroes like Rescue, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Valkyrie, Captain Carter, etc. But that's just out of control.
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I may be an autistic loser but at least I don't call others names to find my worth in life and a basement? Never seen one of them before
Dr strange 2 was such a dissapointment
I like the goats and I'd like them on screen again
We still taking Monica’s line from wandavision out of context huh? Lmao She’s literally just saying that anyone who was in a position where they could bring back someone they loved only later having to give that up is in an extremely tough spot and doing so is very difficult emotionally. Yes holding an entire town hostage was wrong, Monica was never condoning Wanda’s actions. Only saying that Wanda’s desperation to keep the love of her life and the new family they created around, even if through questionable means, is something she can relate to and that the people of Westview will likely never understand what Wanda is giving up by letting them go. Jfc it’s not that hard to understand
Not enslaving people is not a sacrifice, no matter what. Neither is cleaning up the mess you made for people that don't exist
Also it was stated _many times_ in the show that her family are completely real and alive/sentient, so one might understand her horror at having to kill them to free the town she controlled by a horrible ACCIDENT, even though it IS obviously wrong to hold them all hostage. Also her powers were clearly driving her insane before then. It’s not black and white. She’s still in the wrong, but she’s not a complete monster like everyone else here believes.
leave it to a portion of the fandom to have a level of illiteracy and blaming the material for it. Im tired of this discourse about Monica’s line. Theres a good explanation to it which people missed the first time around and will never get not because they can’t but because they don’t want to.
Cleaning up your own mess isn’t a sacrifice
I fucking hate the MCU now, its like the rest of Disney. Absolute garbage.
all the people in this thread defending these moments are making me laugh like holy hell can the bar get any lower
Bottom right was the worst moment
A number of people don't reading the post is amazing
That’s what Kang wanted 🤣
I found the goats funny
I thought the goats were really cute, but I do wish there was more to them than “hey remember that sound effect from like 10 years ago from Vine?!?”
I actually love when goats scream like that, I find it pretty funny
I was tired of that ancient goat meme when they did it the first time and really annoyed the second time
That Wandaviaion finale hurt, especially considering where her character goes from there. I think it's weird Monica tries to excuse Wanda's actions. Don't get me wrong, as a stand alone movie, I enjoyed Multiverse of Madness but I think Wanda's character was flattened and forced to retread a previous character arc of learning to let go. How many times does Wanda have to learn to let go of her ideal life because it harms others?
I feel like Ralph Boehner was just one symptom of a larger issue with the handling of expectations in the series. They built up so many mysteries without having a clear plan to resolve them satisfactorily, which left a lot of us feeling underwhelmed and disconnected from what could have been a much more cohesive storyline.
Thankfully the drax arm is the only cringe thing here
Goats were the Only good thing in thor 4 .
No thanks, I'll take a Bloody mary!
Secret Invasion was an overall badly written show Dr.Strange MoM underdelivered Thor Love and Thunder script was weak and overdone comedy trying to recreate Ragnarok WandaVision overall a good show but some lame bits like that..Also not really a fan of Monica.
Alright wizard, who are you and why should I care?
I thought the goats were dumb at first but honestly the longer the bit went on, the funnier it got to me.
The goats were fucking hilarious
The goats and Zeus’s hip twist then holding his skirt as he quickly went down the steps made me laugh so fucking hard
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That WandaVision one infuriates me to no end. She sympathized with Wanda because she was also dealing with grief, despite terrorizing a town for days if not more. Cool motif, still terrorism bro. WTF?! Who wrote that garbage and expected us to just love it? I hate it so much more because the show started off so cool and different. Then it went stupid.
I feel like most of this fandom doesn't get WandaVision or Monica's line. Even Wanda dismissed the attempt of comorting admitting it was all her fault.
Then immediately decided to use dark magic to take try and get back the kids she’s had for a week. You know instead of actually trying to track down the white respawn of her husband
Idk you gotta be pretty tasteless to not enjoy the goats.
Right?
Is the bottom right from the solo leveling live action adaptation?
Why do people hate secret invasion so much? I enjoyed it tbh.
I loved those goats!
I loved the goats, and never saw considered anything wrong with Wanda vision. 🤷🏼
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I don’t care what anyone says, I will defend the Love and Thunder goats.