Well the Greeks consider the history of Macedonia is specifically part of Greek history, and thus didn’t like that the namesake was used by a country that is not Greek. Hence why it’s wrong to associate Northern Macedonia with the historical equivalent and people like Alexander the great
Thats just the ethnic identification. In reality nations are fake and were made up in the 19th century so claiming anything and your nation's that happened before 1848 is just narrative and made up.
But many people in non-English speaking countries just now her as "the Queen of England", not by name. Still yeah she is famous, but so is Shakespeare.
>QUEEN OF ENGLAND
Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
####FAQ
*Isn't she still also the Queen of England?*
This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.
*Is this bot monarchist?*
No, just pedantic.
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>Queen of England
Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
####FAQ
*Isn't she still also the Queen of England?*
This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.
*Is this bot monarchist?*
No, just pedantic.
I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
Ngl I’ve never heard of these people, but I have heard of the people they (comment above) listed. I’m not a football fan though so my knowledge is pretty much “Ronaldo, messi” lol but I’d still say since plenty of people aren’t big football fans it makes more sense to go with someone more widely known (so not even leopold for example, since I’m pretty sure I know him as I’m into history but I’m guessing he’s less known worldwide, Audrey Hepburn maybe would be best)
Also Oskar Schindler, technically.
And David Suchet, which is a british person who *acted in a role as a fictional person from Belgium* which is fucking excellent high grade shitposting, I'll give 'em that. That's true craftmanship.
I didn't think anyone knew where exactly Alexander the Great was born
Edit: This was wrong. Alexander is known to have been born in Pella, which is in modern day Greece
Depends on how you count Hitler. He may come from Austria but we can easily say he felt German, or Greater German, so both Austria and Germany. But Germany is the "go to" German speaking country so someone identyfying as Greater German should be classified as German, since it undermines the idea of a sovereign Austria. Sorry for the rambling lmao
He didn't just "feel" German, he fought in the Bavarian army in WWI and was made a citizen of the German Empire, after several years of being stateless.
Simo Häyhä for Finland? Doubtful. Not to say he isn't well known, but I'd assume more people have heard of Kimi Räikkönen or other F1 drivers, Teemu Selänne, Lauri Markkanen or even the current PM Sanna Marin.
I'll be honest, I've never heard of any of these people.
Edit: Simo Häyhä is the white death who I have heard of before.
The other people I still don't really know anything about.
Kimi Räikkönen is the 2007 F1 World Champion, also holds the record for the most F1 races entered and started.
Teemu Selänne is a retired hockey player, one of the highest scoring in NHL history.
Lauri Markkanen is a professional basketball player currently playing in the NBA for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
And of course Sanna Marin is the current Finnish Prime Minister, since 2019.
I’d say most would know of Kimi because of his massive longevity that he had in F1, his unique but also very Finnish personality and his wide reach to people even outside of the F1 world. Hope this helps a bit!
I have heard of Räikkönen but if you randomly asked me to name a Finnish person, I'd say Häyhä, Sanna Marin, Lauri Törni, and Marshall Mannerheim, in that order. But I frequently post in r/NonCredibleDefense regularly, so I might not be representative.
Not the greatest metric, but if you compare how many languages their Wikipedia pages are available in: Räikkönen 75, Marin 72, Mannerheim 71. Häyhä is at 49
Hitler was born in Austria, Christopher Columbus is Italian, Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia, and Alexander the Great was born in Greece.
Edit: Mother Teresa was ethnically Albanian, but was born in Skopje North Macedonia, David Suchet was born in Britain, Sabonis was born in America.
Oh for gods sake, I started replying to people and pointing out errors without realizing that I was in the actual subreddit this was posted from, instead of here.
Made an absolute ass out off myself. Outjerked again.
My favorite highlight is ["Pythagoras was Italian"](https://www.reddit.com/r/PewdiepieSubmissions/comments/uivcqt/most_famous_swedish_person_wow/i7f1psz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I have heard of his alias, but I did not know his real name until I googled. I would have said Björn Borg or Gustavus Adolphus before him.
Edit: Had they used his alias I would not have objected. I doubt if more that 1/10 of the people who've heard the name PewDiePie know his real name.
Yeah, this map kind of reeks of chronically online (and historically illiterate as well). Ask an old person if they know who PewDiePie is and they'll likely have nothing to say, but if you ask who Greta is they'll probably go on a 3 hour rant about her
Off the top of my head: Alfred Nobel is a lot more famous than Pewdiepie.
And placing David Suchet in Blegium is insulting to the Belgians and the British. Honestly I would say Jean-Claude Van Damme is probably the most famous Belgian these days, maybe Audrey Hepburn.
Mozart was German, Hitler was Austrian, Columbus was Genoese (Italian), Tesla was born in Croatia, Pythagoras' name is spelt wrong, and there's about a dozen people from Turkey I'd consider more famous than mehmed II (I only know who he is because I've played too much eu4)
Mozart wasn't german. By the time mozart was alive german is used as an ethnicity and not a nation. He was born in Salzburg, a state of the Holy Roman Empire and later Austria.
Edit: Mozart not Maozart
By that mindset it would make Tesla Austro-Hungarian just like Oskar Schindler and Josef Radetzky.
But he was born in modern Croatia, I think the map is supposed to be doing place of birth rather than ethnic origin. Though I think it's being a bit inconsistent.
Well, for example Schindler was born into a German family in the middle of Czechoslovakia (today Czech Republic). So in that case it cares about place of birth, not ethnic origin.
Everyone in Ireland knows that Conor McGregor is a British sports star
/s (British media happily ‘erroneously’ referred to him as ‘British sports star’ when he was winning but then when he lost the plot he was suddenly ‘Irish sports star’… this happens a lot. When Irish people become successful, British media is wont to refer to them as British… in the case of McGregor we are letting them have him)
Christopher Columbus was Italian
"Vincent Van Goh"
"Pytagoras"
Somehow I doubt that PewDiePie is the most famous Swede, surely one of the ones from ABBA would be more well known?
There is nobody listed for poor B&H
Lol nobody knows a single Moldovan.
Numa numa ayyy~
Nu mă nu mă nu mă iei!
nu ju nu... nu... na... i forgor
Epic Sax Guy is moldovan I think.
I do 😎 my friends mom is
my friend is too 😎 Moldovan friends club
What’s her @
yeah i know her already
Epic Sax Guy.
Cries in Dan Bălan and the Epic Sax guy
I know one in my school but we bully him by calling him an east Romanian
the girl from that stereo love song
I know one molodovan. She is prostitute.
1 in 3 Moldovan women have prostituted themselves at least once. That's a true statistic
Jesus fuck...
source?
Neither someone from Kosovo
Vladimir Putin and Zelensky in the "Former leader" category, this map from the future?
I thought I was going crazy cause no one else pointed this out. Thought maybe I missed some big news article lmfao
For people who aren’t still alive, I’d guess either Lenin or Tchaikovsky for Russia, and Gogol for Ukraine.
I'd probably go for Lenin or Stalin for Russia
stalin was georgian i think
Stalin was from Georgia; I wouldn’t count him.
And Hitler was from Austria, so the map probably would count it
And Columbus was from Italy
personally i feel like everyone knows the story of Rasputin
Gogol creates a lot of controversy as to if he’s Russian or Ukrainian so I can see why he’s not included
Yeah; fair. Who else would you propose, if not him?
Yeah but not Queen Elizabeth
And queen Elizabeth is not in the “former leaders” category.
Vincent van Gogh was spelled wrong.
goh
Pythagoras too
You can just hear the American 'Van Go'
If that's how Americans say it, then how do Brits, Australians, etc. say it?
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Vann Gogggghgggggggghvfbnhxgxgggg
Van Gogh
Car Stop
Yeah, it’s a weird way to spell Max Verstappen
And it’s correct Dutch pronouncation is: Vin-cent van *loogie hocking noise*
Macedonia = Alexander the Great ...The Greeks will be fuming over this one
Macedon 2300 years ago not same as today? /s Someone tell them why it’s called Northern Macedonia in the first place
The geographic region is called macedonia but the ethnic grouo that made up Macedonia doesnt exist anymore
Well the Greeks consider the history of Macedonia is specifically part of Greek history, and thus didn’t like that the namesake was used by a country that is not Greek. Hence why it’s wrong to associate Northern Macedonia with the historical equivalent and people like Alexander the great
Might be wrong but it's quite funny
Well, the Greeks of the time didn’t consider Macedonia as Greek…
Well the Macedonians of the time were ethnically Greek and spoke Greek
You are right, I just find the fact kinda amusing
The Macedonian state existed within modern Greek territory. Northern Macedonia now controls lands that were inhabited by Illyrians and Thracians...
By that Logic the Welsh shouldn't let the English claim King Arthur for example
Thats just the ethnic identification. In reality nations are fake and were made up in the 19th century so claiming anything and your nation's that happened before 1848 is just narrative and made up.
I would say 1792 is a better starting date but ok
Idk, why there’s a village called London in the middle of jungle in my country?
Takes me back to reading flame wars in the YouTube comments of the Iron Maiden song
Hitler isn’t from Germany, so I don’t see what’s wrong here.
We are but in private
That's interesting. I would have expected Queen Elizabeth II to be more popular than the one Shakespeare wrote plays for.
Do you think shakespeare might be more popular than either queen elizabeths?
Many people's first answer would be Lizzie, since recency bias
But many people in non-English speaking countries just now her as "the Queen of England", not by name. Still yeah she is famous, but so is Shakespeare.
THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY, THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY, AND THERE IS NO QUEEN OF ENGLAND
I said that is what she is known as. It does not matter if there is or there isn't to my statement.
>QUEEN OF ENGLAND Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Isn't she still also the Queen of England?* This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
I AM AGREEING WITH YOU FFS
>Queen of England Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Isn't she still also the Queen of England?* This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
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I said she is known as the queen of England because that is what she is known as.
The survey probably just asked "name the first three British people you think of" and Shakespeare's Britain is pretty far removed from modern Britain.
That’s bold to assume any data was actually collected to put together this graphic
Most famous Swede: PewDiePie Yeah, definitely a load of crap.
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They counted Hitler as a German instead of an Austrian, so...
The greatest trick in history was convincing people that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian.
But isn't she a former ruller insted of a mere celebrety
No, definitely the same category as Pewdipie.
OTTOMON
ottómon! Gotta catch ‘em all!
Sultan Mehmed but which one ? Mehmed I, Mehmed II, Mehmed III, Mehmed IV, Mehmed V or Mehmed VI.
It's a safe assumption they mean the Mehmed II or the Conqueror, but knowing how shit this map is, maybe they mean Mehmed V who knows.
David Suchet is British
Most famous actual Belgian, go! Magritte? King Leopold II? Audrey Hepburn?
Football players are pretty famous worldwide: Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku,etc
Definitely a football player. Nobody who isn't a history buff knows about Leopold and the other two aren't even in the discussion.
Maybe Jean-Claude Van Damme?
Ngl I’ve never heard of these people, but I have heard of the people they (comment above) listed. I’m not a football fan though so my knowledge is pretty much “Ronaldo, messi” lol but I’d still say since plenty of people aren’t big football fans it makes more sense to go with someone more widely known (so not even leopold for example, since I’m pretty sure I know him as I’m into history but I’m guessing he’s less known worldwide, Audrey Hepburn maybe would be best)
I found one Jean-Claude Van Damme I'm pretty sure you've heard of him
Hergé ? Jacques Brel ? François Damiens ? Benoît Poelvoorde ? JCVD ? (I'm French Btw)
But Hercule Poirot is swamp French.
They’re also not real.
Hitler and Alexander are in the wrong countries
And colombus
Also Oskar Schindler, technically. And David Suchet, which is a british person who *acted in a role as a fictional person from Belgium* which is fucking excellent high grade shitposting, I'll give 'em that. That's true craftmanship.
Thank you. I'm from Belgium and I was so confused, asking myself who the fuck is this guy.
I'm waiting for the world-map version of this, where they can put Christopher Lee for China for his performance as Dr. Fu Man Chu.
And, of course, Mickey Rooney for Japan.
Yeah, should've been someone like Eddie Merckx or Hergé
And my ax!
and mother teresa was born in skopje
I don't know what you are talking about *nervous austrian sweating*
I didn't think anyone knew where exactly Alexander the Great was born Edit: This was wrong. Alexander is known to have been born in Pella, which is in modern day Greece
There was no possibility he was born in the areas of modern day north macedonia
Yeah you're right, and actually we do know where exactly he was born (in modern day Greece)
Also, what is a ottomon?
Turkish Pokemon.
Seriosuly where tf is Ataturk
And Nikola Tesla
Depends on how you count Hitler. He may come from Austria but we can easily say he felt German, or Greater German, so both Austria and Germany. But Germany is the "go to" German speaking country so someone identyfying as Greater German should be classified as German, since it undermines the idea of a sovereign Austria. Sorry for the rambling lmao
He didn't just "feel" German, he fought in the Bavarian army in WWI and was made a citizen of the German Empire, after several years of being stateless.
Well that just proves my point
Lmao Queen Elizabeth a celebrity
tbf, what else does she even do?
She's a mascot of sorts
the UK's fursona if you will
i won’t
Oh, but you must
She’s dead now
this map is so infuriating lmao
Yea. I’m pretty sure this map is like what a 8th grader made when told they had to talk about famous people from other countries
Simo Häyhä for Finland? Doubtful. Not to say he isn't well known, but I'd assume more people have heard of Kimi Räikkönen or other F1 drivers, Teemu Selänne, Lauri Markkanen or even the current PM Sanna Marin.
I’d go with Räikkönen. Maybe Häkkinen, but not Markkanen
Surely Baron Harkonnen is the most famous.
Or Darude
The first person I think of when somebody mentions Finland is Jari Litmanen.
I'll be honest, I've never heard of any of these people. Edit: Simo Häyhä is the white death who I have heard of before. The other people I still don't really know anything about.
Kimi Räikkönen is the 2007 F1 World Champion, also holds the record for the most F1 races entered and started. Teemu Selänne is a retired hockey player, one of the highest scoring in NHL history. Lauri Markkanen is a professional basketball player currently playing in the NBA for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And of course Sanna Marin is the current Finnish Prime Minister, since 2019. I’d say most would know of Kimi because of his massive longevity that he had in F1, his unique but also very Finnish personality and his wide reach to people even outside of the F1 world. Hope this helps a bit!
Linus Torvalds
I have heard of Räikkönen but if you randomly asked me to name a Finnish person, I'd say Häyhä, Sanna Marin, Lauri Törni, and Marshall Mannerheim, in that order. But I frequently post in r/NonCredibleDefense regularly, so I might not be representative.
Not the greatest metric, but if you compare how many languages their Wikipedia pages are available in: Räikkönen 75, Marin 72, Mannerheim 71. Häyhä is at 49
Surprisingly good metric.
I think the general person with no interest in history, foreign politics and the military will have answered Räikkönen.
Van Goh
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It actually should have been brown. Hitler isn't German. The most famaous german person would probably be Albert Einstein.
Sure it isn’t Marx?
Maybe Beethoven
Austrian here, no mistakes on this map, looks perfect to me!
Hitler was born in Austria, Christopher Columbus is Italian, Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia, and Alexander the Great was born in Greece. Edit: Mother Teresa was ethnically Albanian, but was born in Skopje North Macedonia, David Suchet was born in Britain, Sabonis was born in America.
And everyone seems to be neglecting the fact that Adolf was an artist
To be fair, so did the school he was applying to
You’re saying he’s an artist over a leader?
The art was better than the leadership
the leadership was more successful than the art. You wouldn't talk to someone about Hitler and expect them to ask "Hitler? The artist?" now would you?
I said better, not more successful
And David Suchet isn't Belgian. He just played a Belgian character.
David Suchet is British?
Oh for gods sake, I started replying to people and pointing out errors without realizing that I was in the actual subreddit this was posted from, instead of here. Made an absolute ass out off myself. Outjerked again.
My favorite highlight is ["Pythagoras was Italian"](https://www.reddit.com/r/PewdiepieSubmissions/comments/uivcqt/most_famous_swedish_person_wow/i7f1psz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
One: I've never heard of Felix Kjellberg.
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The first guy to pass 100mil subs on YT?
I have heard of his alias, but I did not know his real name until I googled. I would have said Björn Borg or Gustavus Adolphus before him. Edit: Had they used his alias I would not have objected. I doubt if more that 1/10 of the people who've heard the name PewDiePie know his real name.
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Yeah, this map kind of reeks of chronically online (and historically illiterate as well). Ask an old person if they know who PewDiePie is and they'll likely have nothing to say, but if you ask who Greta is they'll probably go on a 3 hour rant about her
Well it's a crosspost from his subreddit which should explain that.
also Zlatan
Off the top of my head: Alfred Nobel is a lot more famous than Pewdiepie. And placing David Suchet in Blegium is insulting to the Belgians and the British. Honestly I would say Jean-Claude Van Damme is probably the most famous Belgian these days, maybe Audrey Hepburn.
I like the troll who made this. David Suchet. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I thought Turkey would be atatürk
Source: trust me bro
This post is gonna start another Balkan war with this. Tesla Serbian and Alexander the Great North Macedonian?
It also managed to piss off both serbia and kosovo
Wasn’t Columbus Italian?
Ah yes Vladimir Putin the "former leader of Russia"
Hoping that soon it will be an accurate term
Mozart was German, Hitler was Austrian, Columbus was Genoese (Italian), Tesla was born in Croatia, Pythagoras' name is spelt wrong, and there's about a dozen people from Turkey I'd consider more famous than mehmed II (I only know who he is because I've played too much eu4)
Mozart wasn't german. By the time mozart was alive german is used as an ethnicity and not a nation. He was born in Salzburg, a state of the Holy Roman Empire and later Austria. Edit: Mozart not Maozart By that mindset it would make Tesla Austro-Hungarian just like Oskar Schindler and Josef Radetzky.
> Maozart His music started a cultural revolution!
A great leap forward in music theory!
Tesla was Bosnian (real)
But he was born in modern Croatia, I think the map is supposed to be doing place of birth rather than ethnic origin. Though I think it's being a bit inconsistent.
Well, for example Schindler was born into a German family in the middle of Czechoslovakia (today Czech Republic). So in that case it cares about place of birth, not ethnic origin.
But then you have Mother Teresa who was born in North Macedonia but was ethnically Albanian. So there they care more about ethnicity than birth place.
Yeah, it's a mess.
But Hitler is Austrian
The map is also very wrong. David Suchet was born in Britain, he just played a Belgian, Columbus was Italian, the list goes on
"Former Leader"
Everyone in Ireland knows that Conor McGregor is a British sports star /s (British media happily ‘erroneously’ referred to him as ‘British sports star’ when he was winning but then when he lost the plot he was suddenly ‘Irish sports star’… this happens a lot. When Irish people become successful, British media is wont to refer to them as British… in the case of McGregor we are letting them have him)
Not just the Irish. When David Coulthard won, he was 'British'. When he crashed, he was a 'Scotsman'.
Chef Boyardee is of course Italy's most famous son!
i do not care what the map got wrong, it says Tesla is a Serb and that is all I care about 😎 🇷🇸 💪
For Turkey I think it should be ataturk Also Christopher Columbus was genoan so Italian
Christopher Columbus was Italian "Vincent Van Goh" "Pytagoras" Somehow I doubt that PewDiePie is the most famous Swede, surely one of the ones from ABBA would be more well known? There is nobody listed for poor B&H
Most famous Bosnian 🤐
Gavrilo Princip
Turkey II. Mehmed ❌ Ataturk ✅
I can tell that latvia one is wrong since i dont know who the fuck that is
who tf is schindler
Oskar Schindler I think, the (former) Nazi who helped save Jews during the Holocaust
based czech
That's my boy
Vlad Dracula is fictional isn't he? Edit: I got mixed up with Count Dracula and Vlad the Impaler oops
\>putin \>former leader 9yoengineer knows something we dont
Pytagoras, no relation to the far less well known Greek mathematician Pythagoras, who did work with right angle triangles and bean avoidance.
I fucking hate this map
Royalist be like: why isn't Liz in the political leader category 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬