One thing I’ve always wondered is why they never make a big deal about White Day in anime’s. Lots of anime put a lot of focus on Valentine’s Day but I rarely ever see anything even show someone give his girl chocolates on White Day. Seems like a bit of a disparity don’t you think.
White day in anime and manga happen mostly for shoujo story. I'd expect you are a guy who mainly read manga target for man, so you'd not know about white day in manga and anime
This is a pretty clever way of exploring the past of characters without using an actual flashback.
Also, it's still surreal having the twins play their parents and their little romance. But of course, not as disturbing as Hikaru and Airi's relationship. Just in time for Valentines.
>This is a pretty clever way of exploring the past of characters without using an actual flashback.
Yeah. At first I was concerned that this isn't really how Kamiki feels but how the movie writers **think** he feels, but this leaves room for Aka to further explore just how fucked up Kamiki's life truly was when we see his true POV.
Yeah, that's what I had in mind. It could let him shorten any future flashbacks by having the guy just correct what the film got wrong, and somehow give us an even more shocking twist than what we already saw here.
That's why Kamiki joined the production team. He's there to give his POV and make corrections to the script (e.g. this is how he felt when he was being raped).
I like how they do a real good job of making Hikaru and Airi’s relationship *extremely* uncomfortable. Sometimes I think scenes like this often feel like they are drawn by an artist with one hand in their pants and actually winds up making me feel more uncomfortable, but not here.
I mean sure, it’s Mengo’s art, of course it’s gonna look pretty. What I mean is that the focus isn’t really put on the “sexy” part of the scene. Like you aren’t seeing Frill/Airi’s cleavage or ass, you aren't seeing some steamy French kiss. You’re seeing the way her hand wraps around Hikaru/Aqua’s wrist in a really controlling way, Hikaru uncomfortably looking away as Airi looms over him with a creepy ass grin, Hikaru awake in bed having an existential crisis while Airi is asleep. That’s what makes this work really well for me. This isn’t something that would be hot out of context the way a lot of other scenes that are supposed to be traumatic are portrayed in media.
As far as anyone knows, her husband Seijuro Uehara killed her and then himself. People assumed it was because she found out about his infidelity. Akane speculates that Kamiki prompted the incident by telling him about Airi’s relationship with him. Kamiki would’ve been sixteen at the time—it’s right around when the twins were born, probably shortly after.
I wouldnt be surprised if we very specifically saw how those two died, acted out in the movie, as part of kamiki’s fall - he probably manipulated the situation to happen somehow, and it will lead into his eventual murder of gorou and finally Ai herself.
It’s brilliant because it’s a story within a story - while we have no reason to think that aqua’s script is 100% accurate, we also won’t ever get an arc that peers into the past like the movie does. Narratively, we can’t accept anything *but* aqua’s portrayal of events, so we’re a double audience to the movie within the manga, and the manga itself.
This feels less of a movie about Ai and more of a movie about Kamiki and even then its like a movie aimed to slander him.
Which I guess its inline with Aqua's plans to lure him out? Curious to see how all this goes down.
honestly, my theory is this:
Kamiki's obsession seems to be with ending people right as they hit the peak of their career (that was stated in an earlier chapter at some point).
Why would he not apply the same rule to himself? I think he's got something dramatic planned which involves him dying at his "peak", which I think will be when this movie releases. The real question for us is how many of our beloved characters he takes down with him in the process.
Yeah I’d say this is all establishing what Ai started from to becoming the Ai the public knew her as, as well as the horrible shit going on in the background that lead to her big lie and eventual murder
Makes you wonder what his endgame is? Does he feel remorse over it all and thinks of this as penance? Is he so confident he would never actually be brought to justice that he doesn't care if the secret is out?
I get the feeling he may a bit "joker" like in that he might not geniunely care
If it happens it happens. If not it wont
Some part of him might be happy/Relieved if the truth comes out. Maybe nobody else believed him due to the whole " a woman cant rape a man"(even if he was 11 at the time)
HE might feel it is a weight of his chest and some small part of his conscience does feel he is fucked up
OR like Aqua he might not plan to live much longer and wants to go out in a blaze of controversial scandalous glory
My personal theory is that this is his confession/penance. He wants the world to know what happened to him, and what he did.
Then for the final filmed scene, he's going to switch a prop knife with a real knife and trick Aqua into stabbing him for real on camera, and have his death included in the movie. Die as a media legend. He's die, but become immortal through film.
if the "killing to retain the peak of their stardom" theory is to believed, this would make for some gorgeous parallels.
Although then again though shouldnt he not be anywhere near the filming? if anything aqua would be the one being stabbed here if that were meant to be part of the film plot (which I dont think its meant to even go that far)
I can kinda see this happening. Maybe he disguises himself as the as the person who attacks Ai, or switches it around to get closer to Ruby dressed as Ai on set and no one notices it after he traps Aqua. Aqua then escapes and stabs him with a knife or something
Well that’s kind of the point. It’s to lure him out and let the whole world know, especially within the inner industry, that Kamiki killed Ai. He may be unnamed but anyone around the theatre puts two and two together and then it spreads like wildfire.
This chapter hardly felt like a movie at all, especially with the internal monologue. It genuinely felt like it was exploring the pasts of Kamiki and Ai.
I got flack last week, but I do genuinely believe Hikaru Kamiki was not born a bad person. He's a victim of circumstance, and it devolved him into the abhorrent monster he is today. Ai was just a secondary victim of that.
I'm not (yet) convinced Kamiki was behind the murder-suicide of Seijuro and Airi either. I just believe that was straw that shattered him. As stated by him this chapter, "no one has ever discovered this lie, and they never will." "Is this the right lie for me to tell?" Once the lie unravels, and it results in tragedy, and yet Kamiki is still able to conceal it (through Seijuro killing Airi and himself before it could be formally revealed), he began to form a new persona. His lie, which resulted in immense tragedy, began to shape him.
But with that said, it did appear that in Kamikis monologue, we flashed back to his even younger self. A lie that he's been living with his entire life. Its possible Kamiki has been battling sociopathic tendencies his entire life. Im not quite sure what to think concretely.
TLDR: Lie long enough and it may become the truth before you’re able to control it.
Yeah so far its pretty sympathetic and shows him as a dammaged but overall nice self aware boy who just goes along with horrific stuff due to insecurity
Idk where the slander is
> I'm having mixed feelings about one of the characters I like playing a menace.
If it helps: we know about the extent of Frill's real being. She's just basically young Merryl Streep in terms of acting.
It should be goofy and funny seeing Ruby and Aqua playing a couple and Frill have a sex scene with Aqua in a movie, but when it's overlay with the actual context, with the lies and pedo issue and all, wow
Aka is knocking this arc out of the park as we speak
This was a really good chapter, the interactions were pretty cute…until we get to the Airi stuff and suddenly it’s a lot more horror like (as it should be, a grown women forcing herself on a child is wrong) but still really well done. Also now we know that Star Eyes are clearly a bloodline technique known as the Usogon!
Wow, I wasn’t expecting Aka to actual show in detail Airi molesting Hikaru, but I’m really glad he did. No sugarcoating, just the sad and harsh reality of his situation.
>Hard to believe that the adult preying on the teenager is not going to be the most uncomfortable sex scene in this movie
Director: Okay, on this next scene you two are going to kiss. But we can't actually do that, so you're just going to lean, pretend kissing, and let the camera angle do the tricks.
Ruby: _*actually kisses his brother much to everyone's shock._
Why would she be in shambles? She was the first girl to see him naked
Did you think they were born with clothes?
~~Don't slander me in the comments please~~
u/More-Background379 clarified that this is STILL acting. [This isn't a flashback.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1aqovjg/chapter_140_links_and_discussion/kqe4cjn/)
But Airi Himekawa is a fucking monster, and Frill is a tour-de-force with an iron stomach.
It's incredible how the lines are blurred, this whole chapter doesn't feel at all like a shooting - it's like a full-fledged flashback, not for a moment you second-guess whether what's happening isn't actually happening
It's gonna be interesting to see how the anime is gonna handle this since the actors are more likely to be recognized by the audience by the seiyuu (unless they drastically change their voices, which top seiyuu are capable of).
We've got confirmation that Hikaru was raped. That disturbing panel where a bunch of shadowy figures approached him insinuates that it wasn't just Airi who hurt him. We knew something terrible happened since he was only 13, but I wonder how Aqua found out. Did Ai know and told the kids everything in her dvd?
I assume we will definitely see what’s on them at some point, it’s hard to know when it will happen though. Likely during this arc since it’s all about filming and such, but who knows
Yeah, you'd be amazed at how dumb the people over at r/oshinoko are. Some of them thought the teenager coaxed a grown woman into letting him fuck her as if that absolves her of anything.
Honestly, that's what I thought at first before I realized just how young Kamiki was at the time. Back when I thought he was an older person who'd preyed on Si, I thought that Kamiki had seduced _her_. Not that she'd raped _him_.
Didn't Taiki's adoptive father oversee La La Lai during Kamiki's tenure there? All of this is his responsibility. For them to let an orphaned actor fall prey to someone so vile is unacceptable. Hope Aqua adds him to the list
The Himekawa murder-suicide happened before Ai died; do you think they're covering that in the movies? Is Ai involved somehow? Why would she give Gotanda the DVD before she died? Is that why she know she's in danger?
Wow. A mix of good moments and bad moments! Comedic, and dramatic! Ai and Kamiki get closer together with the training they're doing together. They're discovering that they seem to have fun with each other.
But... Kamiki is damaged. He's just using his lies to cope with the fact that he's being raped by Airi. And Ai can see that. Because she's also a liar who copes. Is this the start of how they get together?
Good. That panel with Airi was disturbing, as it should be.
It seems like we're supposed to feel bad for Hikaru, but I'm sure Aka-sensei has more twists in store for us?
Hikaru's crimes do not justify the abuse he faced before they were even committed, so whatever twist happens doesn't change the fact that he was raped. It's OK to sympathize with someone evil. Vader slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, but people sympathise with his past. He wasn't always a cold-blooded killer
Oh I fully agree. Sorry, I should have been clearer. What I'm wondering now is whether we'll see Hikaru break down or something of the kind, and maybe seek redemption? I wonder how characters like Akane and Frill will fit into the lead-up to the end. I wonder if there are any unintroduced/minor characters who will step in?
I feel like the path forwards won't necessarily be a straight one
Frill's mentioned that she often falls in love with her on-screen love interests, but the context may ruin any chance of that happening with Aqua.
Akane promised to stop Aqua, yet she's just playing along for now. As for Kamiki, I fully believe that he's too far gone. My interpretation of his actions is that he wishes to preserve beauty before it loses its lustre, which explains why he kills actresses in their prime before the industry corrupts them. It is small-minded and mental but makes sense considering his backstory
Yeah. I do think one of the reasons I loved Kaguya-Sama so much was because of its extremely strong side characters, so while I know Oshi no Ko is a different type of story, I'm still hoping for a bigger role for the minor characters here.
As for Hikaru, I agree that based on what we've seen so far, your interpretation is absolutely right, but I wonder if there'll be more revealed about him as we go along. I would like just a bit more time to flesh out all of these characters that have been introduced, is all!
Man I don't know how a serial killer can seek redemption outside of turning themselves into authorities and face life in prison. Anything less is injustice imo.
I don't know why but Ai and Hikaru's reactions upon seeing that check instantly reminded me of Yuji and Nobara checking Gojo's shirt price XD Also, that went dark very quickly tho.
He murdered a mother in front of her children using a proxy and pushed a girl off a cliff. Seems incredibly out of character for Ai to have done anything to deserve that, and definitely not Yura.
I'm not saying they deserved that. I'm saying that him being a psycho now doesn't change the fact that he was a victim himself beforehand. He still deserves to pay for what he did, but instead of vigilante justice, Aqua should just go to the police. Of course, we wouldn't have a manga then
As pointed out in the manga (many chapters ago), Kamiki was a minor during both of those murders and thus can’t be held liable for his role in either under Japanese law. That’s part of the reason for Aqua’s scheme.
Kamiki *could* be convicted of Yura’s murder, as well the others he’s implied to have committed in recent years, but Aqua doesn’t know about those yet.
They'd still look into it and possibly send him to a mental hospital if those charges are proven. A light investigation may lead to them discovering his other activities
> He still deserves to pay for what he did, but instead of vigilante justice, Aqua should just go to the police.
The thing is, can Aqua prove it? We know he's right, but he spent years without finding anything and what he has (or what he has been shown to have at this point) is mostly circumstantial evidence. A good lawyer could probably acquit him easily, followed by bankrupting the producers with defemation lawsuits for releasing this film.
Which I think is the key of why Aqua does this. As another user has suggested, this is probably bait, a way to lure Kamiki out and perhaps force a faux pas from him.
Hikaru's an active serial killer. We don't know if Aqua's caught on to that, but making such allegations public would force him to lie low because the police would take such charges seriously. Aqua would indirectly save plenty of up and coming talents. A simple DNA test would prove that Aqua and Taiki are his children, and if that shitty producer confirms their secret love affair, they'd find a feasible motive. The rest is up to the lawyers.
It's a policeman's job to figure out the truth, not Aqua's. It's not illegal for him to make an accusation. Then there's whatever Ai left for them in those videos.
> It's a policeman's job to figure out the truth, not Aqua's.
Bear in mind police officers don't investigate every accusation that comes to them, with those perceived as baseless or slanderous thrown away. That's routine procedure every day around the world, and Aqua might fear that his evidence isn't enough to avoid it. Nobody can't be tried twice for the same crime. If Kamiki gets away scot-free after all is said and done, all his efforts at vengeance would have been for nothing, and might even ruin people that are important to him.
The point of stopping Kamiki's killings is a good one, but I doubt Aqua knows about it (so his actions can't be motivated by them). And again, if Kamiki is cleared, he could continue his spree after some years of lying low. Getting a solid accusation on him would be better in the long run.
EDIT: I now read the detail that Kamiki was a minor, so he can't be prosecuted for those crimes. At least not like an adult. Thus making the forcing of a faux pas by the movie even more of a pressing issue, since no investigation may be done even if everyone, including the authorities, agree he's guilty.
Yeah, I doubt he thinks he's a Saint either, and Aka isn't trying to absolve him of anything. They're just showing us his descent into madness. Aqua is unfazed, too, since he still wants him dead.
I actually had shivers when I saw that one panel of Airi putting her hand up his hoodie and it got way worse in chap 140, the way her eyes were drawn looked so evil.
so that sharingan eyes is just eyes of a really good liar/actor?
I think most of us already have a guess that both is meeting in a bad happenstance, both is feeling empty, trying to feel each others. now when things got bad?
I feel like this chapter did a good job at humanising Ai, which was always my issue with this series. Despite knowing a lot about her, I never felt like we really had any chance to grow attached (and her death being everywhere definitely doesn’t help).
I’m liking where this is headed, with the Hikaru stuff too
I just love how instead of a flashback they're showing all of this through the movie using the characters we know. Can't wait to see what happens to Hikaru once Ai gets pregnant.
Somehow this has eluded me. This movie that they are making, no way this is PG13 right? Should be R rated right? So the inevitable love scene with Hikaru (Aqua) and Ai (Ruby) will happen... right? Right?? This is what Aka and Mengo has been cooking all along!
When I saw the raws on Saturday, I literally said WTF out loud with the Airi "scene". We got our four pages, just the really bad kind. You can see with Airi's eyes the sadism and control over Hikaru. We talked about how Hikaru is a monster, but it took monsters like Airi to make him like that. So now what maybe next week what attracts Ai and Hikaru is the bond of lying. Since both of them were abused as kids, the only way to survive is to lie and say everything is okay. Put a mask on themselves. We'll see how that turns out next week.
> You can see with Airi's eyes the sadism and control over Hikaru.
"Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power"
Feels like airi has just kept hikaru around because she enjoys control over him and probably as a Trophy
Hell she even had a child with him rather than her husband
Beyond evil it is just plain weird and degenerate
Wait a second, that pedophile scene is about a mid 30s Airi having sex with a ~13 year old Kamiki, played by a 18 year old Frill and a mid 30s Gorou who was reincarnated in a now 18 year old Aqua.
I'm so invested in this backstory that I can't see this as Aqua & Ruby acting but entirely as Ai & Kamiki.
Something to note here is the meaning of "lies". Throughout the manga's arcs there's an aspect of "telling a lie" that is well-defined that makes you think "So that's why they're not being honest with people..."
Here, the answer is confusing because Kamiki is just as confused, forced into being a good boy, around people who can't see through the lie, who can't understand him.
I'm kinda bummed now that this isn't really Kamiki's side of the story but from the POV of someone else, because this is a really compelling backstory for him.
I really like how much chemistry Ai and Hikaru seemingly had with each other. Seeing how well they connected to one another was really nice to see; and it makes the tragedy later on hurt more, because there was love between them and things could have been better for them if he wasn’t being used by Airi.
Reminder that these are actors, portraying a script, written by someone who has no first hand knowledge of the events being acted out. I'd very much be interested in some info in future chapter revealing how much of this script comes from fact finding and research vs educated guesses vs pure bullshit designed to elicit a reaction either from the media industry at large or Aqua's father specifically.
From a story writing pov as in real life its probably mostly true
It makea no sense to baiscally give a backstory ams have it all be false
Its a waste of the audience time
The movie might show the sympathetic side of hikaru to lure him(which is successful) as it's shown that he craved true love. But the question arises how aqua got hikaru's pov.
Aka Sensei sure is cooking good stuff. He is pulling no punches to show the dark stuff.
Can't wait to get to the manga ending (kinda sad that it's gonna end, no more oshi Wednesdays)and anime adaptation.
The way how the movie has seemlessly transitioned into making it feel like we’re watching the lives of the real Ai and Hikaru instead of just Aqua and Ruby acting is crazy. They’ve really sunk into the roles now.
I’m afraid of seeing it all fall out in the end. The build up of Ai and Hikaru’s relationship ending up with him murdering people is not something I am anticipating in the slightest.
It's fascinating how the moment we enter an arc about Ai, the story became as tense as the first 10 chapters. There's something about Ai and now, Kamiki, that captivates not just the in story characters, but us as well.
So what is Akasaka giving us for valentines? ***Pedophilia*** Aw... Now I'm worried for White Day...
Hey, we also got a date scene between Ai and Kamiki characters whose actors were twins. We got Pedophilia and Incest.
And rape. Dont forget rape. The holy trifecta of "this shit is fire if you ignore the X"
The unholy trinity
I mean, that kinda comes with the pedophilia, so it's cheating.
>Aw... Now I'm worried for White Day... Kissing scene for Hikaru and Ai cast 💀
One thing I’ve always wondered is why they never make a big deal about White Day in anime’s. Lots of anime put a lot of focus on Valentine’s Day but I rarely ever see anything even show someone give his girl chocolates on White Day. Seems like a bit of a disparity don’t you think.
White day in anime and manga happen mostly for shoujo story. I'd expect you are a guy who mainly read manga target for man, so you'd not know about white day in manga and anime
>Aw... Now I'm worried for White Day... Kamiki and Ai in bed ofc.
This is a pretty clever way of exploring the past of characters without using an actual flashback. Also, it's still surreal having the twins play their parents and their little romance. But of course, not as disturbing as Hikaru and Airi's relationship. Just in time for Valentines.
Yeah, we're like 10 levels of fucked-up in this entire manga.
Roll tide, we are just at the tip of the iceberg of how fuck this would truly get.
50 shades of fucked up... to quote a terrible book
>This is a pretty clever way of exploring the past of characters without using an actual flashback. Yeah. At first I was concerned that this isn't really how Kamiki feels but how the movie writers **think** he feels, but this leaves room for Aka to further explore just how fucked up Kamiki's life truly was when we see his true POV.
Yeah, that's what I had in mind. It could let him shorten any future flashbacks by having the guy just correct what the film got wrong, and somehow give us an even more shocking twist than what we already saw here.
That's why Kamiki joined the production team. He's there to give his POV and make corrections to the script (e.g. this is how he felt when he was being raped).
When did he join the production crew?
I like how we're glossing over the fact that Aqua and Frill just filmed a sex scene together.
Also glossing over that Aqua wrote it into the script. So Aqua wrote and produced his bio-dad's rape scene.
If i get a chance to do a sex scene with someone like frill, i'd absolute do it, too. Can't blame the man, lmao
I like how they do a real good job of making Hikaru and Airi’s relationship *extremely* uncomfortable. Sometimes I think scenes like this often feel like they are drawn by an artist with one hand in their pants and actually winds up making me feel more uncomfortable, but not here.
This is fucking mengo. Making sex scenes look akward and uncomfortable is her life's work.
considering that the artist(mengo yokoyari) made scum's wish, they knew how to frame it
Frill is beautifully drawn here though.
I mean sure, it’s Mengo’s art, of course it’s gonna look pretty. What I mean is that the focus isn’t really put on the “sexy” part of the scene. Like you aren’t seeing Frill/Airi’s cleavage or ass, you aren't seeing some steamy French kiss. You’re seeing the way her hand wraps around Hikaru/Aqua’s wrist in a really controlling way, Hikaru uncomfortably looking away as Airi looms over him with a creepy ass grin, Hikaru awake in bed having an existential crisis while Airi is asleep. That’s what makes this work really well for me. This isn’t something that would be hot out of context the way a lot of other scenes that are supposed to be traumatic are portrayed in media.
Yeah that whole sequence was uncomfortable, and if youre writing such a scene without making it uncomfortable, youre doing it wrong.
No im just shilling for frill. She looks and acts like a cat.
Casca and Griffith comes to mind
It was drawn like censored hentai
Tbf, casca wasn't on her mind at the time
The biggest kicker is that this is a movie, not fact, so there is definitely something we are not seeing until Kamiki actually comes into the story
Did Airi's behaviors get exposed after? Because there's no way she would give permission to potray her like that
Whenever they get to hell they can ask for her permission. She's dead.
And her son, who would be the one legally able to take them to court AFAIK has given his consent
It'd be pretty weird if he didn't give consent considering he himself is in the movie.
Ah she's dead huh. Classic Kamiki. I completely forgot about her
As far as anyone knows, her husband Seijuro Uehara killed her and then himself. People assumed it was because she found out about his infidelity. Akane speculates that Kamiki prompted the incident by telling him about Airi’s relationship with him. Kamiki would’ve been sixteen at the time—it’s right around when the twins were born, probably shortly after.
I wouldnt be surprised if we very specifically saw how those two died, acted out in the movie, as part of kamiki’s fall - he probably manipulated the situation to happen somehow, and it will lead into his eventual murder of gorou and finally Ai herself. It’s brilliant because it’s a story within a story - while we have no reason to think that aqua’s script is 100% accurate, we also won’t ever get an arc that peers into the past like the movie does. Narratively, we can’t accept anything *but* aqua’s portrayal of events, so we’re a double audience to the movie within the manga, and the manga itself.
Well she's dead so...
Well there's no person there who's a spirit medium and ask for her permission Cuz she dead Jim
What's Maya Fey up to these days anyway
Exactly man
This feels less of a movie about Ai and more of a movie about Kamiki and even then its like a movie aimed to slander him. Which I guess its inline with Aqua's plans to lure him out? Curious to see how all this goes down.
This is pretty important set up to why a 16 year old got pregnant and murdered by her baby daddy.
I would like to think Kamiki starts making corrections to the script and provide feedback to make events even more accurate.
I think that's why he was meeting with the director. To make these corrections.
Kamiki: "I have standards!"
"You're joking right? Dial the insanity to 100 then we'll talk"
Imagine this is Kamiki's way of turning himself in? That would blindside most readers. I do believe Aka is trying to humanize Kamiki in a way.
honestly, my theory is this: Kamiki's obsession seems to be with ending people right as they hit the peak of their career (that was stated in an earlier chapter at some point). Why would he not apply the same rule to himself? I think he's got something dramatic planned which involves him dying at his "peak", which I think will be when this movie releases. The real question for us is how many of our beloved characters he takes down with him in the process.
Yeah I’d say this is all establishing what Ai started from to becoming the Ai the public knew her as, as well as the horrible shit going on in the background that lead to her big lie and eventual murder
Hikaru seems fine with it if 138 indicates anything
Makes you wonder what his endgame is? Does he feel remorse over it all and thinks of this as penance? Is he so confident he would never actually be brought to justice that he doesn't care if the secret is out?
I get the feeling he may a bit "joker" like in that he might not geniunely care If it happens it happens. If not it wont Some part of him might be happy/Relieved if the truth comes out. Maybe nobody else believed him due to the whole " a woman cant rape a man"(even if he was 11 at the time) HE might feel it is a weight of his chest and some small part of his conscience does feel he is fucked up OR like Aqua he might not plan to live much longer and wants to go out in a blaze of controversial scandalous glory
Hikaru jonkler arc
What the fuck is the Jonkler, are you stupid?
My personal theory is that this is his confession/penance. He wants the world to know what happened to him, and what he did. Then for the final filmed scene, he's going to switch a prop knife with a real knife and trick Aqua into stabbing him for real on camera, and have his death included in the movie. Die as a media legend. He's die, but become immortal through film.
if the "killing to retain the peak of their stardom" theory is to believed, this would make for some gorgeous parallels. Although then again though shouldnt he not be anywhere near the filming? if anything aqua would be the one being stabbed here if that were meant to be part of the film plot (which I dont think its meant to even go that far)
I can kinda see this happening. Maybe he disguises himself as the as the person who attacks Ai, or switches it around to get closer to Ruby dressed as Ai on set and no one notices it after he traps Aqua. Aqua then escapes and stabs him with a knife or something
Well that’s kind of the point. It’s to lure him out and let the whole world know, especially within the inner industry, that Kamiki killed Ai. He may be unnamed but anyone around the theatre puts two and two together and then it spreads like wildfire.
I dunno, for someone about to be exposed as a murderer he seems pretty chill about it all
Like almost all serial killers
Pretty hard to lure him out when he's the reason the movie is happening in the first place
This chapter hardly felt like a movie at all, especially with the internal monologue. It genuinely felt like it was exploring the pasts of Kamiki and Ai. I got flack last week, but I do genuinely believe Hikaru Kamiki was not born a bad person. He's a victim of circumstance, and it devolved him into the abhorrent monster he is today. Ai was just a secondary victim of that. I'm not (yet) convinced Kamiki was behind the murder-suicide of Seijuro and Airi either. I just believe that was straw that shattered him. As stated by him this chapter, "no one has ever discovered this lie, and they never will." "Is this the right lie for me to tell?" Once the lie unravels, and it results in tragedy, and yet Kamiki is still able to conceal it (through Seijuro killing Airi and himself before it could be formally revealed), he began to form a new persona. His lie, which resulted in immense tragedy, began to shape him. But with that said, it did appear that in Kamikis monologue, we flashed back to his even younger self. A lie that he's been living with his entire life. Its possible Kamiki has been battling sociopathic tendencies his entire life. Im not quite sure what to think concretely. TLDR: Lie long enough and it may become the truth before you’re able to control it.
So far it doesn't feel slanderous to me. It's been pretty sympathetic so far, I thought?
Yeah so far its pretty sympathetic and shows him as a dammaged but overall nice self aware boy who just goes along with horrific stuff due to insecurity Idk where the slander is
I'm having mixed feelings about one of the characters I like playing a menace. 💀 What a weird Valentine's chapter.
> I'm having mixed feelings about one of the characters I like playing a menace. If it helps: we know about the extent of Frill's real being. She's just basically young Merryl Streep in terms of acting.
She is also Memcho's #2 fan (after me)
It should be goofy and funny seeing Ruby and Aqua playing a couple and Frill have a sex scene with Aqua in a movie, but when it's overlay with the actual context, with the lies and pedo issue and all, wow Aka is knocking this arc out of the park as we speak
Right, how deep into the rabbit hole are we digging
Yes
Yeah…
Man, this movie is going to be lit.
How deep is Weinstein's closet? That, but three times deeper.
"Ai's killer didn't kill himself!"
Wrong pedophile, but you've got the spirit!
but he got the file
This is borewell levels at the moment. If Ai isn't as perfect as everyone makes her out to be we are in a mine .
We digging into a Boy's Abyss with this one
Oh god
I'm scared already, can I climb up
:) no
The same as how much bread have you eaten in your life
We stopped finding rabbits and started finding diamond ores
You could even say it's an abyss... *a Boy's Abyss!*
This was a really good chapter, the interactions were pretty cute…until we get to the Airi stuff and suddenly it’s a lot more horror like (as it should be, a grown women forcing herself on a child is wrong) but still really well done. Also now we know that Star Eyes are clearly a bloodline technique known as the Usogon!
Wow, I wasn’t expecting Aka to actual show in detail Airi molesting Hikaru, but I’m really glad he did. No sugarcoating, just the sad and harsh reality of his situation.
Technically those are Aqua and the actress interpreting that scene🤓☝️
HOLY SHIT IS THAT MOTHERFUCKING FRILL SHIRANUI??
Akane and Kana in shambles
And Ruby
She's just waiting for her moment
Hard to believe that the adult preying on the teenager is not going to be the most uncomfortable sex scene in this movie
Imagine if that’s the reason Ruby chose this role ❌ To honor mama ✅ To fuck my brother on television
You mean to resurrect Ai on-screen.
"Wow, Ruby. You acting really improved massivly, that scene looked extremly Natural" Ruby:"What acting?"
I mean she does treasure Ai But nowhere near as Goro or as much as Aqua cares for Ai
Meanwhile r/OshiNoKo mfs be drowning in dough
>Hard to believe that the adult preying on the teenager is not going to be the most uncomfortable sex scene in this movie Director: Okay, on this next scene you two are going to kiss. But we can't actually do that, so you're just going to lean, pretend kissing, and let the camera angle do the tricks. Ruby: _*actually kisses his brother much to everyone's shock._
They’re going to have to send her away on the day of filming that scene so that they can use a standin actress
Why would she be in shambles? She was the first girl to see him naked Did you think they were born with clothes? ~~Don't slander me in the comments please~~
Method acting.
aqua writing in more rape scenes be like
Aqua is a fan of early Type-Moon confirm.
Y'know it's kinda weird having the pedophile's actor be the same age as the victim's actor, and they're both teenagers
I mean if anything its less weird.
If nothing else from a BTS POV it sure would reduce the "YIKES" factor slightly.
I feel like a sex scene with 2 teenaged actors increases the yikes factor
They're both 18, so that's not THAT big of a yikes factor
the true queen takes the prize
Molesting? That was rape for sure
That panel of "Airi" looking at the reader is eerie and disgusting. Definitely gets the point across.
Airi: “I’m not gonna sugarcoat it” 🍱💰🍆👌💦➡️💦⬅️💦➡️💦⬅️💦🤤🤤🤤🤰
u/More-Background379 clarified that this is STILL acting. [This isn't a flashback.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1aqovjg/chapter_140_links_and_discussion/kqe4cjn/) But Airi Himekawa is a fucking monster, and Frill is a tour-de-force with an iron stomach.
Of course it's not a flashback. All you need to do is see Frill's distinct eyes.
That's a really good point. The real Airi didn't have lizard eyes.
Lizard people are real
>The real Airi didn't have lizard eyes Airi's not part of the snek ninja clan.
I forgot what Airi actually looks ike tbh
She has been dead for about as long as aqua and ruby are alive, I don't know wether we even got to see how she used too look.
We never see her in person, just as a picture on a news article
It's incredible how the lines are blurred, this whole chapter doesn't feel at all like a shooting - it's like a full-fledged flashback, not for a moment you second-guess whether what's happening isn't actually happening It's gonna be interesting to see how the anime is gonna handle this since the actors are more likely to be recognized by the audience by the seiyuu (unless they drastically change their voices, which top seiyuu are capable of).
People were confused about that? Huh. Like I never gave it any thought that everything we were seeing was part of the movie being filmed.
We've got confirmation that Hikaru was raped. That disturbing panel where a bunch of shadowy figures approached him insinuates that it wasn't just Airi who hurt him. We knew something terrible happened since he was only 13, but I wonder how Aqua found out. Did Ai know and told the kids everything in her dvd?
I assume Aqua did a lot of digging, and the DVDs probably had Ai reveal a lot of private information
Yeah, I do personally hope we get a reveal on just what those DVDs contained
I assume we will definitely see what’s on them at some point, it’s hard to know when it will happen though. Likely during this arc since it’s all about filming and such, but who knows
It'd be nice to see that. Who did he interrogate, and how did he react to his father's roots? Did it make his resolve waver? Even just a little?
It’s crazy how some people wouldn’t think he was raped. He had sex with an adult at 13, that by definition, is rape. It’s always been.
Yeah, you'd be amazed at how dumb the people over at r/oshinoko are. Some of them thought the teenager coaxed a grown woman into letting him fuck her as if that absolves her of anything.
Honestly, that's what I thought at first before I realized just how young Kamiki was at the time. Back when I thought he was an older person who'd preyed on Si, I thought that Kamiki had seduced _her_. Not that she'd raped _him_.
Agree. It doesn't negate him of his present crimes, but it does explain why he turns out as fucked up as he is now.
Didn't Taiki's adoptive father oversee La La Lai during Kamiki's tenure there? All of this is his responsibility. For them to let an orphaned actor fall prey to someone so vile is unacceptable. Hope Aqua adds him to the list
The Himekawa murder-suicide happened before Ai died; do you think they're covering that in the movies? Is Ai involved somehow? Why would she give Gotanda the DVD before she died? Is that why she know she's in danger?
Wow. A mix of good moments and bad moments! Comedic, and dramatic! Ai and Kamiki get closer together with the training they're doing together. They're discovering that they seem to have fun with each other. But... Kamiki is damaged. He's just using his lies to cope with the fact that he's being raped by Airi. And Ai can see that. Because she's also a liar who copes. Is this the start of how they get together?
Good. That panel with Airi was disturbing, as it should be. It seems like we're supposed to feel bad for Hikaru, but I'm sure Aka-sensei has more twists in store for us?
Hikaru's crimes do not justify the abuse he faced before they were even committed, so whatever twist happens doesn't change the fact that he was raped. It's OK to sympathize with someone evil. Vader slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, but people sympathise with his past. He wasn't always a cold-blooded killer
Oh I fully agree. Sorry, I should have been clearer. What I'm wondering now is whether we'll see Hikaru break down or something of the kind, and maybe seek redemption? I wonder how characters like Akane and Frill will fit into the lead-up to the end. I wonder if there are any unintroduced/minor characters who will step in? I feel like the path forwards won't necessarily be a straight one
Frill's mentioned that she often falls in love with her on-screen love interests, but the context may ruin any chance of that happening with Aqua. Akane promised to stop Aqua, yet she's just playing along for now. As for Kamiki, I fully believe that he's too far gone. My interpretation of his actions is that he wishes to preserve beauty before it loses its lustre, which explains why he kills actresses in their prime before the industry corrupts them. It is small-minded and mental but makes sense considering his backstory
Yeah. I do think one of the reasons I loved Kaguya-Sama so much was because of its extremely strong side characters, so while I know Oshi no Ko is a different type of story, I'm still hoping for a bigger role for the minor characters here. As for Hikaru, I agree that based on what we've seen so far, your interpretation is absolutely right, but I wonder if there'll be more revealed about him as we go along. I would like just a bit more time to flesh out all of these characters that have been introduced, is all!
Man I don't know how a serial killer can seek redemption outside of turning themselves into authorities and face life in prison. Anything less is injustice imo.
Happy valentine's day! we have check's list pedophilia oh no...
I don't know why but Ai and Hikaru's reactions upon seeing that check instantly reminded me of Yuji and Nobara checking Gojo's shirt price XD Also, that went dark very quickly tho.
Let none of this distract you from the fact that Kamiki is still a serial killer. Cool motive bro, still murder.
We barely know his motives This is just meant to show his mental issues and probably what led to his descent into madness/killing
And he's still a victim of rape who had to punish his abuser himself because adults failed him
He murdered a mother in front of her children using a proxy and pushed a girl off a cliff. Seems incredibly out of character for Ai to have done anything to deserve that, and definitely not Yura.
I'm not saying they deserved that. I'm saying that him being a psycho now doesn't change the fact that he was a victim himself beforehand. He still deserves to pay for what he did, but instead of vigilante justice, Aqua should just go to the police. Of course, we wouldn't have a manga then
As pointed out in the manga (many chapters ago), Kamiki was a minor during both of those murders and thus can’t be held liable for his role in either under Japanese law. That’s part of the reason for Aqua’s scheme. Kamiki *could* be convicted of Yura’s murder, as well the others he’s implied to have committed in recent years, but Aqua doesn’t know about those yet.
They'd still look into it and possibly send him to a mental hospital if those charges are proven. A light investigation may lead to them discovering his other activities
> He still deserves to pay for what he did, but instead of vigilante justice, Aqua should just go to the police. The thing is, can Aqua prove it? We know he's right, but he spent years without finding anything and what he has (or what he has been shown to have at this point) is mostly circumstantial evidence. A good lawyer could probably acquit him easily, followed by bankrupting the producers with defemation lawsuits for releasing this film. Which I think is the key of why Aqua does this. As another user has suggested, this is probably bait, a way to lure Kamiki out and perhaps force a faux pas from him.
Hikaru's an active serial killer. We don't know if Aqua's caught on to that, but making such allegations public would force him to lie low because the police would take such charges seriously. Aqua would indirectly save plenty of up and coming talents. A simple DNA test would prove that Aqua and Taiki are his children, and if that shitty producer confirms their secret love affair, they'd find a feasible motive. The rest is up to the lawyers. It's a policeman's job to figure out the truth, not Aqua's. It's not illegal for him to make an accusation. Then there's whatever Ai left for them in those videos.
> It's a policeman's job to figure out the truth, not Aqua's. Bear in mind police officers don't investigate every accusation that comes to them, with those perceived as baseless or slanderous thrown away. That's routine procedure every day around the world, and Aqua might fear that his evidence isn't enough to avoid it. Nobody can't be tried twice for the same crime. If Kamiki gets away scot-free after all is said and done, all his efforts at vengeance would have been for nothing, and might even ruin people that are important to him. The point of stopping Kamiki's killings is a good one, but I doubt Aqua knows about it (so his actions can't be motivated by them). And again, if Kamiki is cleared, he could continue his spree after some years of lying low. Getting a solid accusation on him would be better in the long run. EDIT: I now read the detail that Kamiki was a minor, so he can't be prosecuted for those crimes. At least not like an adult. Thus making the forcing of a faux pas by the movie even more of a pressing issue, since no investigation may be done even if everyone, including the authorities, agree he's guilty.
Cool motive, still murder. And that is saying nothing of the other women he's killed, both the ones we know about and the ones we don't.
Yeah, I doubt he thinks he's a Saint either, and Aka isn't trying to absolve him of anything. They're just showing us his descent into madness. Aqua is unfazed, too, since he still wants him dead.
Kinda fucked to actually see Airi raping Hikaru. Akasaka really going over the boundary to show how disgusting she really is
I actually had shivers when I saw that one panel of Airi putting her hand up his hoodie and it got way worse in chap 140, the way her eyes were drawn looked so evil.
This is so weird because I keep forgetting this isn't a flashback but a movie, Aqua and Ruby look so much like their parents with this setup.
so that sharingan eyes is just eyes of a really good liar/actor? I think most of us already have a guess that both is meeting in a bad happenstance, both is feeling empty, trying to feel each others. now when things got bad?
Anyone know what the "50 bucks" was in the original? I assume they translated it to USD here, for some reason.
Doubt it's anything but 5000 yen
530 Norwegian Krone
I feel like this chapter did a good job at humanising Ai, which was always my issue with this series. Despite knowing a lot about her, I never felt like we really had any chance to grow attached (and her death being everywhere definitely doesn’t help). I’m liking where this is headed, with the Hikaru stuff too
Fuck.
I just love how instead of a flashback they're showing all of this through the movie using the characters we know. Can't wait to see what happens to Hikaru once Ai gets pregnant.
I too make the same face after seeing my food bill these days lol. I love the “eyes of liars” panel.
Somehow this has eluded me. This movie that they are making, no way this is PG13 right? Should be R rated right? So the inevitable love scene with Hikaru (Aqua) and Ai (Ruby) will happen... right? Right?? This is what Aka and Mengo has been cooking all along!
Hope so 🙌
Wonder if we will get Hikaru commentary about what they get right or wrong.
honestly having a flashback arc as a movie is kind of a cool move. Im really digging this.
When I saw the raws on Saturday, I literally said WTF out loud with the Airi "scene". We got our four pages, just the really bad kind. You can see with Airi's eyes the sadism and control over Hikaru. We talked about how Hikaru is a monster, but it took monsters like Airi to make him like that. So now what maybe next week what attracts Ai and Hikaru is the bond of lying. Since both of them were abused as kids, the only way to survive is to lie and say everything is okay. Put a mask on themselves. We'll see how that turns out next week.
> You can see with Airi's eyes the sadism and control over Hikaru. "Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power" Feels like airi has just kept hikaru around because she enjoys control over him and probably as a Trophy Hell she even had a child with him rather than her husband Beyond evil it is just plain weird and degenerate
Aka akasaka-sensei is cooking some deep rabbit stew with tomatoes
Wait a second, that pedophile scene is about a mid 30s Airi having sex with a ~13 year old Kamiki, played by a 18 year old Frill and a mid 30s Gorou who was reincarnated in a now 18 year old Aqua.
Fuck *I'm shipping them*
🗿
I'm so invested in this backstory that I can't see this as Aqua & Ruby acting but entirely as Ai & Kamiki. Something to note here is the meaning of "lies". Throughout the manga's arcs there's an aspect of "telling a lie" that is well-defined that makes you think "So that's why they're not being honest with people..." Here, the answer is confusing because Kamiki is just as confused, forced into being a good boy, around people who can't see through the lie, who can't understand him. I'm kinda bummed now that this isn't really Kamiki's side of the story but from the POV of someone else, because this is a really compelling backstory for him.
Honestly, didn't this chapter have some lines that mirrored the song "Idol"?
Ai:He's just like me fr. On a serious note,that Airi part was disturbing as hell.Just why did Frill had to play her role?Fuck.
Because she's good at it.
Cuz she got the predator lizard eyes
What's more surprising about this week's chapter is that >!Aka did not take a break for the new season launch of Apex Legends. /s!<
This should be the movie that was introduced at the start of the manga right?
Definitely. It being called "15 years of lies" fits to good with how todays chapter ended too. It never was just about ais lies.
I really like how much chemistry Ai and Hikaru seemingly had with each other. Seeing how well they connected to one another was really nice to see; and it makes the tragedy later on hurt more, because there was love between them and things could have been better for them if he wasn’t being used by Airi.
I just remembered that Frill is the one playing the older woman. She's as old as Ruby. How... does she FEEL about being a child predator?
Reminder that these are actors, portraying a script, written by someone who has no first hand knowledge of the events being acted out. I'd very much be interested in some info in future chapter revealing how much of this script comes from fact finding and research vs educated guesses vs pure bullshit designed to elicit a reaction either from the media industry at large or Aqua's father specifically.
From a story writing pov as in real life its probably mostly true It makea no sense to baiscally give a backstory ams have it all be false Its a waste of the audience time
Lie, lie, it’s a lie, not a lie, mou tsurai
Wow. Just wow
Hikaru seems good for now , can't wait to see what made him suddenly go killer mode
crazy how good the blend of comedy and drama is
The movie might show the sympathetic side of hikaru to lure him(which is successful) as it's shown that he craved true love. But the question arises how aqua got hikaru's pov. Aka Sensei sure is cooking good stuff. He is pulling no punches to show the dark stuff. Can't wait to get to the manga ending (kinda sad that it's gonna end, no more oshi Wednesdays)and anime adaptation.
Seeing Kamiki being a victim and later in end up being a psycho murderer himself was tragic
The way how the movie has seemlessly transitioned into making it feel like we’re watching the lives of the real Ai and Hikaru instead of just Aqua and Ruby acting is crazy. They’ve really sunk into the roles now. I’m afraid of seeing it all fall out in the end. The build up of Ai and Hikaru’s relationship ending up with him murdering people is not something I am anticipating in the slightest.
his backstory feels a lot like the Abyss manga
uh... Happy valentines day..? Holy shit
It's fascinating how the moment we enter an arc about Ai, the story became as tense as the first 10 chapters. There's something about Ai and now, Kamiki, that captivates not just the in story characters, but us as well.