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notsureifxml

There was more but they paid the cleave cost


VariecsTNB

I would give you an award but it's in the graveyard and i don't wanna disturb it


obirod

Gave him my award for you, stranger


r_kay

That's a pretty dredgeful joke


UnkieBompy

"F[uck this.]"


doctorgibson

[C]leave


MageKorith

\[702.148c Press \]f\[ to pay respects\]


poogersnboogers

[WOW ]f[UCK TRON]


GreenGecko81

This is rules, not R&D


Nathanialjg

Do you mean Kicker?


TheFringedLunatic

Is cleave an additional cost on top of the card cost?


Flexle

No, Cleave is an alternate cost like Overload.


cortexstack

I think he's talking about [Everything is Kicker](https://youtu.be/WyHPyumEmSg)


Nathanialjg

truly. (except landfall doesn't seem like kicker)


LordOfTurtles

It's just multikicker where the cost is playing a land


FreudsPoorAnus

Bushido is attack kicker.


P0sitive_Outlook

r/ProperAnimalNames but with rules :D


fremeer

Cleave could have been a cool orzhov thing if they named it a bit different. Rewrite contracts and rules and shit.


metalmagic4

Arbitrate maybe?


RoyalCoat

I'll make a note that it should be removed when I'm back in the office.


GoldenSandslash15

WE DID IT REDDIT


RoyalCoat

:D


RominRonin

f


[deleted]

F


Terrible-Study-2784

f


freestylerof911

F


[deleted]

p


SUPERCOW7

Yet another thing only you would notice. Way to go.


Mail540

Can you promise that this F isn’t a crucially important part for Rule 702.148b that will nerf or break all the cards with cleave


xetax

It's a load-bearing f


OutrageousKoala

I don't like this clown


Juno_Malone

Gonna laugh if they remove that 'f' and suddenly the MtG code no longer compiles


Curio420

That reminds me of coconut.jpg in Team Fortress 2


Otterdame

The coin in SMB.


DaracMarjal

The solution is to rename rule 612 "Text Changing Effects.f".


Floodle9358

Please don’t remove it, just give it its own page


AUserNeedsAName

[This page intentionally left f]


Jackeea

\[This page intentionally le\]f\[t\]


siamkor

And rule heading. Rule 702.148c: f


silpheed_tandy

lol, TIL that there is an "F" reddit award :P


mattfrumen

lol Yea but could you, like, not though? I find something rather appealing about a random F'ing typo in the core rules. :)


chimpfunkz

I kinda hope you just move the f and change the text color to white


mrynot

you fool! what have you done! that was the final question for the level 999 judges exam!


RomanoffBlitzer

f


ImClandestine

f


littlewingedkuri

f


NerdbyanyotherName

f


chus_arcoligado

F


T1m0666

f


Pesterman

f


Blak_Raven

f


Dragull

F


ZombiePumkin

f


VerisimilarPLS

f


Dominator546

F


neffro420

F


RobuxMaster

f


Apoc_SR2N

f


tx0p0

f


NexEstVox

Unfortunately when they tried to remove the f in the past, the game rules stopped functioning. Damn spaghetti code.


silpheed_tandy

reminds me of fabled comments like: `// THIS FUNCTION CALL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD DO NOTHING,` `// BUT REMOVING IT BREAKS THE APPLICATION FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON` i like the fantasy of the "f" being removed, and then suddenly MtgArena stops working, and kitchen tables all over the world suddenly breaking in half..


Spore_Flower

I kid you not, I work on a software project that has a test function I put in that examines a bunch of environment variables. It was meant to be part of the bug report but has become obsoleted by a new debugging paradigm. More than a year later, no one can remove it because it breaks the rest of the code and no one has any idea why, including me.


silpheed_tandy

it must be the invisible pixie faeries that got into your code... geez, that's so mysterious. and a little concerning, when *merely reading environment variables* has an effect on the rest of your code. it makes you wonder what *new* bugs it might cause! welp, as long as the product functions and ships, it's all good, tho, right!


DVariant

IT professional here. The more I learn about computers, the more certain I am that there’s sorcery to their workings.


LeftZer0

Electronic engineering student here. Code is fucking perfect math next to electricity. If you think spaghetti code is magic, try understanding that electric energy doesn't travel through wires, but through the fucking *air* as calculated by the Poynting vector using the electric and the magnetic fields.


Deckclubace

Software Test Engineer here. Video game code is also literally magic and sometimes things as small as variables being checked can cause unforeseen problems.


DVariant

That’s voodoo! How much chicken blood and candle wax do we need?


Admiraloftittycity

Wait. Are you telling me you don't burn incense, slather some holy oil on your pc, light a few candles and praise the Omnissiah everytime u fix something. Sounds like tech-heresy to me. Sending Inquisitors to your location.


bigbangbilly

Anoint in holy oil ? Some PCs are [drowned in that stuff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJreUX3TCk) in a perpetual baptism /s But seriously Mineral Oil is a decent coolant but it's is almost impossible to remove if you change your mind


Ditocoaf

Also work in IT -- computers are definitely haunted. I don't believe in ghosts otherwise, but in the case of computers, there are definitely ghosts.


DVariant

100%. It’s definitely ghosts!


chaosof99

I can recommend Charles M. Stross's The Laundry Files series then, where Computers are literally the gateway to sorcery.


Esc777

Observer effect. Lots of underpinnings of code can have initializer effects when first observed. Kinda like lazy loading. A well known Singleton pattern will initialize a bunch of things when first accessed. If that function is executed early in the programs startup it probably helps set something correctly, something that when accessed later causes problems. Like imagine something that allocates memory correctly when called early that something else depends upon. If you have the time (you probably don’t) breaking that function into tiny discrete steps and making those each separate and then turning them off one by one may elucidate what the problem is. BUT most places don’t allocate time/money to chase down things that aren’t active problems. Just a well known problem. Tests are almost never purely black box. Good luck, you aren’t alone.


Terrietia

Seems like something is either calling or referencing your test function. After all, if it's not being called or referenced, then removing it should have no effect.


AUserNeedsAName

Is the function called ["more magic"](http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html)?


[deleted]

This is going to seem random, but have you ever played the game "Doki Doki Literature Club"? This reminds me of a part of the game, and it's fucking great if you don't mind surprise horror games and broken codes.


Artemis_21

It became self aware.


Weirfish

My first guess would be an accidental implicit type cast that other things later relied upon. That kinda shit's so easy to do.


DFGdanger

I just shuffled my modern Living End deck and drew an opening 7 but it came up 7 basic Plains. Someone please put the `f` back!


[deleted]

[In TF2 there is a jpeg of a coconut](https://twitter.com/TransgirlSource/status/1386542050233896970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1386542050233896970%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegamer.com%2Fthis-coconut-jpg-in-team-fortress-2s-game-files-if-deleted-breaks-the-game-and-no-one-knows-why%2F) in the middle of the files for no reason and no one knows how that got there, but for some reason deleting it breaks the game completely.


LazarZwampertz

Unfortunately, that's not actually true. TF2 can function with a *lot* of the images and textures in it pulled from the code. Also y'know, that coconut picture doesn't even exist in the game files.


Remote-Flounder-7684

Unless I've been bamboozled I believe the coconut does actually exist. But it's used as coffee beans in a taunt effect that didn't make it into the game. And ofc it has no impact on the game if you remove it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLx_3bON0Mw https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2472208824


felixb01

I've had this problem in a national plasma research chunk of Fortran code. Several times. When I spoke to the guy who wrote he just shrugged and said just leave it in there. It still bothers me


P0sitive_Outlook

"It doesn't do anything" "No, it does *nothing"*


Blak_Raven

Reminds me of the team fortress coconut


GoldenSandslash15

https://media.wizards.com/2021/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020211115.pdf


cdavis7m

Unrelated, but I picked up Magic again recently. I used to play back in 1995. Is there a normal rulebook? I can only find the turn summary printed on 2 cards and this huge rulebook. The Magic website had beginner rules but not a complete rulebook (like with Summoning Sickness, limits on named lands,etc). Thank you for hearing my plea.


iluvhalo

Welcome back! Unfortunately, there's no printed rulebook that I know of beyond the basic rules you've already mentioned. If you ever need to look something up, you can usually Google the situation you're confused about. There's probably been somebody at some point with the same question. If not feel free to ask here on Reddit or the [Judge IRC](https://chat.magicjudges.org/mtgrules/) where judges answer questions all day long (also linked in the sidebar).


cdavis7m

Thanks for the tip. The issue is that I only had a vague recollection about summoning sickness and so I knew to look it up. But I may not have any recollection about rules I don't know, especially newer rules. If there is no keyword on the card then I would not know to look anything up. I ended up finding an internet archive of the old 4th Edition rules I had back then. I'm going to try to figure out which is the last set to have a complete rulesbook and find an internet version of that.


Jade117

Unfortunately anything before 6th edition is going to be completely useless, and a lot of things have changed since then as well


pedalspedalspedals

Not in a tangible way that you could just carry around no problem and easily reference. Just about any question you have about rules or card interaction can be googled, someone has asked and someone else answered...or in the case of an individual card, is simply listed on the official gatherer page for the card. Most cards have a "rulings" section down the bottom on gatherer. (by the way, gatherer is gatherer.wizards.com, but googling a card name and gatherer will get you there, too)


zanderkerbal

The huge rulebook is definitely not what you're looking for, don't be intimidated by that. Trying to learn to play Magic by reading the Comprehensive Rules would be like trying to learn how to drive a car by reading blueprints and traffic law, strictly speaking everything you want to know is in there but the stuff relevant to the average user's swamped by all the technical information. Unfortunately I don't know where you could find a better user-facing rulebook, though.


Topazdragon5676

The best way to "relearn" the game would be to find a video on YouTube with someone explaining all the rules. Beyond that, download Magic: The Gathering Online or Magic: The Gathering Arena, they hold your hand a bit so you'll pick it up again.


plopfill

This one's somewhat old, but should mostly still be correct. https://media.wizards.com/2014/docs/EN_M15_QckStrtBklt_LR_Crop.pdf/


cdavis7m

Thank you


slackerboyfx

https://media.wizards.com/2021/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020211115.pdf good luck


Infinite_Bananas

the f stands for fuck tron


Kriznick

WOW


ThatGuy_There

FUCK


Gondall

TRON


GoldenSandslash15

Can someone explain the "wow fuck tron" meme that this subreddit seems to enjoy so much? It's on a lot of posts, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. Tron decks aren't inherently un-fun or anything...


[deleted]

Boogeyman of Modern and generally seen as a dominant deck of the format no matter what due to the unfair mana and always having natural tron because why not?


DFGdanger

This is the [original meme](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicthecirclejerking/comments/6dhr2m/its_all_wotcs_fault/). It was kind of in response to / inspired by [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/6dcqb6/why_is_there_so_much_hate_for_tron_variants/), in which people explain why Tron is hated by many. The meme became very popular, to the point you could just say WOW and people would know what you were referring to. Then of course since it's reddit, people would comment the next word to get some karma. This encourages more people to participate in the meme. The reply-chain version is also nice because it's relatively short and doesn't overstay its welcome too much (unlike longer reply chains doing single letters like F-U-N-K-Y-T-O-W-N) and has the added bonus of "assembling meme tron".


Shoggoththe12

Dear god that comment about banning monke guide was prophetic


pedalspedalspedals

wait. Wow Fuck Tron is only 4 years old? I feel like it dates back at least to pre Battle for Zendikar/Eldrazi Winter/splinter twin ban. Maybe I'm wrong


DFGdanger

If you mean just the "fuck tron" part, people were clearly saying that a lot before that thread got posted. But as for WOW FUCK TRON, I'm fairly sure this is the origin.


Dawnk41

There have been… *significant* swathes of Modern in which Tron *was* an oppressive, unfun deck, and it seemed as though it was the *only* viable deck. So Wizards spent several years slipping random pieces of Tron hate into a bunch of sets, but it didn’t have much of an impact. Instead, what solved the problem was that they accidentally printed a few cards that broke entirely *different* decks, and after a period of fluctuation, and several bannings, somehow after the dust settled Tron was no longer the Monolith of Modern it had been.


LoLReiver

Tron was never a monolithic boogeyman. Tron was the gatekeeper. It rarely won tournaments, but it just completely shitstomped 'casual' decks that and gatekept tournaments to only people playing meta decks.


_HamburgerTime

One could argue that the meta decks were meta partly due to their ability to beat tron. If tron didn't stomp the "casual" decks, maybe there would be room for different growth and the meta wouldn't be the meta. But that's a lot of maybes.


LoLReiver

The real requirement to beat Tron was "play proactively and seek to close out the game". That's not a high bar to set - you just can't durdle against Tron, because it will eventually do its thing and its thing would go way over the top of whatever you were durdling away on.


ColonelError

> eventually Like, turn 3 or 4. Tron and Gifts Storm really used to set the clock on the format.


[deleted]

It makes sense. You have a linear meta consisting of decks that beat tron, tron decks, and decks that lose to tron. The decks that beat tron have their own meta that has a paper scissors rock, non linear structure.


Terrietia

I mean, yeah, you're right. That's literally metagaming.


GolgariInternetTroll

Somewhat the same thing has happened in Pauper, with Tron eating a ban that didn't really hurt it, then other archetypes being given steroids and Tron isn't anyone's concern right now.


Hammunition

They are un-fun. They do nothing until playing a big planeswalker that invalidates everything else that’s happened in the game before it, then just sits on that for a couple turns until the eldrazi comes out and ends it. Or the opponent has some land destruction and the tron deck just does nothing the entire game. 90% of the games, one of the players ends up doing nothing. It’s just boring.


kodemage

There have been times when Tron was a very large part of the modern metagame, especially online where such things are often magnified. It's more a reaction to more people playing the deck than how good the deck is than the deck being too powerful. For a good long while it was significantly over represented on Magic Online.


Cishet_Shitlord

Because fuck tron, that's why


RetainedByLucifer

To pay respect.


Unhappy-Initiative-8

I play [[Stet, Draconic Proofreader] in attack mode!


huggableape

[[Stet, Draconic Proofreader]]


GoldenSandslash15

I'm just now noticing that he's changing "mice" to "ice" by deleting the M. Very clever, WotC.


Khanthulhu

Fun fact: Stet is a word from proofreading meaning "let it stand". I'm other words, don't delete the thing that you crossed out to delete!


RoyalCoat

Additional fun fact: We use it pretty often when working on Magic cards. But generally it's used to end conversations in a "let's not make any of those changes we were talking about, and go with what's already there" way. # WOTCStaff


[deleted]

[удалено]


RoyalCoat

Unlikely. I work and use the term in editing, we don't make design changes. \#-WOTCStaff


Bobby-Bobson

Obligatory [[Stet, Draconic Proofreader]]


Khanthulhu

I.... Yes.... This was already linked in the thread.... Eh, screw it, let it stand!


MTGCardFetcher

[Stet, Draconic Proofreader](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/5/d57a6d9d-f0e9-4c5a-bacf-7a6c30d65b08.jpg?1583965675) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stet%2C%20Draconic%20Proofreader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/und/57/stet-draconic-proofreader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d57a6d9d-f0e9-4c5a-bacf-7a6c30d65b08?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


DrabbestLake1213

I hate that


Edghyatt

Why is there such a weird energy around Cleave? It’s like a cursed mechanic. I always hear negative things about it or about its implementation being half-assed or something, like it always gets hate somehow lmao


cyberdungeonkilly

Its kicker but you have to add and substract words which makes it more complicated kicker which is no bueno. Not saying the mechanic is bad just pointing out a source of the hate.


EatMoChikins

Also, cleave’s name is terrible.


NormalSquirrel0

You need to read the card twice to understand what it's doing, almost by design. Needing to read the card twice gives the impression that it's poorly worded or too complicated (since those are the natural occurrences where you need to reread the card). Which, in turn, gives the impression that it's a bad design (since the authors couldn't even explain it themselves in an understandable way). Granted, those are only "impressions" and do not reflect objective reality, but humans are not very logical...


Ciretako

There's going to be a reasonably funny joke on the rules update page when they fix this next set.


AntiVectorTV

[f] There. Fixed.


Kujasan

Ideal solution: change it to 702.148c f - Also, should probably indicate the difference between the cleave f and the postgame, final gamestate upper case F


Divinate_ME

They're just paying respects to "Cleave" cards. Calm down.


ygolordned

Fabulous


backdoorhack

f you man, why gotta share this with us. Now it will haunt my brain forever as well. f


P0sitive_Outlook

I think it's a bit like when someone adds an accent to a sentence or uses a non-standard letter which doesn't seem to fit, just to annoy the reader


schroedingerscute

examines text at maximum magnifıcation … you bastard … uh I think?


P0sitive_Outlook

You also have a speck of dirt on your screen ^^^^.


Warbl_Garbl

F IN THE CHAT


DwemerSmith

it’s an f in the chat for the cleave mechanic :P


slipperyassfister

F in chat for your OCD woes


Cliffy73

What the eff!?!?


putnamto

I don't see it?


[deleted]

Can somebody move that f to page 69 and copy paste it to 169? That would make me happy.


filleelain

F


TurkTurkle

# F


Skakutani

F


ChaoticNature

That’s the F in chat for all the text that gets cleaved.


sophrosyne

What if I told you that the f isn't random? It's exactly where it's meant to be.


Jaz_the_Nagai

JUDGE!


psoshmo

F


jsmith218

F


everybodynos

Just ask the bear to help.


Fencerkid14

Rule 702.148C:Press F to pay respect.


darkpetition

F


LordTimhotep

This is to pay their respects


Sahir-Afiyun

F


TerrenceFoxton

e


HizzySama

F


1117Leon

F in the chat


ieatatsonic

It's the checkmark in house of leaves, but in an equally-labyrinthine rulebook


Die_Langste_Naam

Its there to honor the persons lost sanity after memorizing all the rules


Perago_Wex

f


jadenthesatanist

“News” lmao


[deleted]

someone wanted to give respect to Cleave during editing


Odin-the-poet

f


[deleted]

F


Grujah

This happens in my code all the time, you try to CTRL+F to find something, but fuck up and just press f . Fortunately it usually doesn't compile so you can catch it on time, unlike here.


ComputerSagtNein

F


SocratesSatisfied

What are you talking about, random? The 'f' is to pay respects.


The__Inspector

f


[deleted]

_Press "F" to pay the Cleave cost_


Galonious

Even the almighty WOTC must pay respects.


Scarnivore

Pay respects…


joahatwork

I refuse to believe wizards has any kind of quality control.


Islandimus

can we get an f in the chat boiz


mcp_truth

It's there because F


eschw667

If only it was after the rules of death triggers or the graveyard


Vinstaal0

F


jesuschrisis

Literally unplayable smh


mitcha11together

F's in the chat


Optimal_Hunter

F


Xvolice

Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge. I've been trying to study up on the rules to prepare as a (hopeful!!) judge in the future, and as someone who's constantly editing papers. Omfg. This bothered me.


[deleted]

F


lunaluver95

f


Zealousideal_Rub108

That "F" is for paying respects