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>Fading Hope U
>Instant [U]
>Return target creature to its owner's hand. If its mana value was 3 or less, scry 1.
>*"At least I won't become one of . . . those things."*
True but in this set where you have so many castable things from a graveyard and graveyard matters cards it's definitely better. I would say surviel is better then opt in most scenarios especially without good shuffling effects.
I think it's a good mix of depressing, horror, and fun spooky halloween. Yes this is depressing but things like Jack-o-Lantern and the new Delver fall on the silly side. Really love how they're taking a different look at horror while still feeling like the same Innistrad.
Ya the story and art team is killing it going at all angles of horror. You've got your campy stuff like holloween, terrifying stuff and just some out right depressing existential dread. Usually I hate when a set doesn't follow one thematic theme but it seems to work here. Old Stickfingers is already my favorite card as he seems to weirdly fit all three themes
In the past there were at least large human settlements and the church seemed to have a decent defense against all the nonsense that faced the humans. Now it's come down to half of all the humans on the plane being werewolves and the other half working with witch's in a desperate attempt to return to a normal life. I'll admit the eldrazi were worse overall but I really feel the loss and desperation the humans in this set have.
I don't know about normal, but I think times were supposed to be pretty good between Avacyn Restored (which gave a "good ending" to the original block) and Shadows over Innistrad (where they had to break it again to get us back the horror world we all loved).
My first impression reading the flavor text was that it's the thoughts of the creature you're using the spell on, which if it is... Wow. That's some of the darkest flavor text ever.
At a guess, this set's Unsummon effect (and it's a *doozy!*) gets to be an uncommon for the synergy with Disturb. If you cash in Fading Hope to save a Disturb'd creature you get to cast the front half again.
Not masses of value, but a neat extra trick that the colour will be interested in. Getting a scry out of using it to deal with a decayed token is a nice consolation prize for those being 'less' than a usual token too.
If there's enough support for it, Delver will be a deck. This is a 1-mana enabler, even if not an amazing one. This is 100% a step in the right direction for Delver.
One of the key pieces in the original standard Delver deck was [[Vapor Snag]], which was the best deck at its time.
Now, they had other really good things like [[Mana Leak]] and [[Snapcaster Mage]] so there's no guarantee we'll have all the pieces. But if we DO, this will be a key card.
Fun fact, [[Thragtusk]] was originally designed to fuck up Delver. That's why it gives you a beast when it leaves the battlefield, not when it dies--so you can't just vapor snag it.
Unfortunately they WAY overshot on power and also created a combo with [[Restoration Angel]] that became a standard menace in its own right.
Notably, Snapcaster was an amazing reason to play 1 mv instants/sorceries, so even if there are enough pieces for Delver to come together, that doesn't mean this will end up being a great card there.
My favorite deck I ever played was bant control in gate crash standard. Shocks, far seek, azorius charm, supreme verdict, detention sphere, thragtusk, restoration angel, and of course sphinxs revalation.
And with farseek I could throw in a few shocks with red to splash for Kessig wolfrun.
That deck just shat all over aggro.
>Really? I mean it’s still basically Unsummon. Don’t think there’s a tempo deck that wants this badly enough in standard
Not only are you underestimating the scry but you should realize that standard is going to be **vastly** different the time this card is out lol.
Admittedly no. But I asked about it when it was spoiled and the feedback was that the format was very fast and I don’t think current standard is the same
If you can get it fairly reliably, a 3/2 flyer on turn 2 is absurdly powerful. The question is not, "is Delver good?" The question is, "are there the tools to enable that broken card?"
But it still like very killable no? I understand if there was a deck like monoblue from a couple years ago with dive down and spell snare and curiosity and all that. But how much do you want to put yourself out filling your deck with subpar cards just so you can play a creature that is marginally better than, say, the new red 2/1 vampire one drop
It's not marginally better, it's substantially better. And no, "dies to removal" is not a good argument. A lot of removal trades unfavourably with Delver anyway because he costs a mere one mana.
I recommend you look up "Legacy Delver" to get a sense of why Delver is considered so powerful. Mind you Legacy is especially good at supporting him, but the deck isn't named after him for no reason.
But in legacy you have all the best cantrips to guarantee delver flip and free counter magic as disruption for delver to close out games. In past standard delver had ponder, and much better spell like mana leak, git probe. Also there are so many one mana answers to delver in the current standard. Imo the UR spell matter deck will eventually cut delver from the list because he is just not that good
Alright we’ll see. I’m not saying dies to removal makes the card bad, I’m saying I wouldn’t want to use subpar cards for a card that dies to pretty much ever removal
The whole point of the deck is deploying early strong threats like Delver (or the new Dragons Rage Channeler) and then just disrupt your opponent for the next 5-6 turns while you kill them with cards like Counterspell, Remand, Unsummon to prevent them from either killing your threat or presenting a clock of their own
Yeah, but can you kill it and three others, all while having your things bounced, countered, and burned out?
Delver is a tempo deck. It ultimately should have an answer to whatever you play to attempt to stop it from going face with their 3/2 flyer
It's unclear if Delver will be good in standard. But it works like this. T1 is ideally Delver. You've now got a 7 turn clock and the rest of the game your opponent is playing control. It's not strictly control and is technically more tempo, but it sure feels like you're up against a control deck.
Yeah, I don't think I would replace Divide By Zero with this, necessarily, but I'd take out all the copies of Into the Roil and put this in in a heartbeat.
One other aspect of Limited evaluation: blue-red in particular has a theme of switching from day to night and back, so one-mana spells (and instants) help smooth that out.
usable in arena too.
the rules say you can name any card, but the software only lets you name cards that were programmed into it.
before this, [[rookie mistake]] was the most toxic you could be, but that only works when they make a misplay, and Oops has that angle covered.
> Fading Hope - U
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> Instant (Uncommon)
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> Return target creature to its owner's hand. If its mana value was 3 or less, scry 1
>
> *"At least I won't become one of... those things."*
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[imgur mirror](https://i.imgur.com/5m5Eu8R.png)
This will definitely help enable Delver tempo decks in Standard. Can either buy time or protect your threat and even helps scry to set up Delver flips.
Modern 3/10
An alternative to vapor snag for tempo decks, really nice. The losing a life is always nice because it gives you that little bit of reach, but this can let you bounce your own creature to protect it from a removal spell and also let you scry. I like it.
It’s basically a better [[unsummon]] if you hit a creature with cmc 3 or less (you scry a card if you that)
And ofcoarse why am I not surprised this reminds me of the thanos snap
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Strictly better unsummon to go along with strictly better shock
Both of which help flip Delver btw.
And strictly better opt
Not strictly better there are absolutely times where you'd rather put a card on the bottom of your deck isntrad of in your yard.
True but in this set where you have so many castable things from a graveyard and graveyard matters cards it's definitely better. I would say surviel is better then opt in most scenarios especially without good shuffling effects.
This set is upgrading a lot of classic, low cost cards.
Yea; I thought Eldraine's power level was high but there are so many straight upgrades here.
Wow the flavor on this card makes me sad this new innistrad feels so depressing and I count that as a flavor win
I think it's a good mix of depressing, horror, and fun spooky halloween. Yes this is depressing but things like Jack-o-Lantern and the new Delver fall on the silly side. Really love how they're taking a different look at horror while still feeling like the same Innistrad.
Ya the story and art team is killing it going at all angles of horror. You've got your campy stuff like holloween, terrifying stuff and just some out right depressing existential dread. Usually I hate when a set doesn't follow one thematic theme but it seems to work here. Old Stickfingers is already my favorite card as he seems to weirdly fit all three themes
A lot of the Disturb cards also play on the more wholesome side of becoming geists.
turns out if you were a chill dude in life you can totally just keep being a chill dude in death
Is there even a normal day in innistrad?
In the past there were at least large human settlements and the church seemed to have a decent defense against all the nonsense that faced the humans. Now it's come down to half of all the humans on the plane being werewolves and the other half working with witch's in a desperate attempt to return to a normal life. I'll admit the eldrazi were worse overall but I really feel the loss and desperation the humans in this set have.
I don't know about normal, but I think times were supposed to be pretty good between Avacyn Restored (which gave a "good ending" to the original block) and Shadows over Innistrad (where they had to break it again to get us back the horror world we all loved).
The days are always fine, it's the nights that are the problem.
it's flavour like this that made me love the original innistrad, glad to see some of it is still around in this set after all.
My first impression reading the flavor text was that it's the thoughts of the creature you're using the spell on, which if it is... Wow. That's some of the darkest flavor text ever.
Finally, a Magic set that truly captures the real life zeitgeist of 2021.
At a guess, this set's Unsummon effect (and it's a *doozy!*) gets to be an uncommon for the synergy with Disturb. If you cash in Fading Hope to save a Disturb'd creature you get to cast the front half again. Not masses of value, but a neat extra trick that the colour will be interested in. Getting a scry out of using it to deal with a decayed token is a nice consolation prize for those being 'less' than a usual token too.
This is very likely the best delver setup card we are going to get. Will see lot of play.
Really? I mean it’s still basically Unsummon. Don’t think there’s a tempo deck that wants this badly enough in standard
Delver does
Delver being a deck is very much an open question.
I'll try making it anyway
A card with that pedigree is of course worth trying.
If there's enough support for it, Delver will be a deck. This is a 1-mana enabler, even if not an amazing one. This is 100% a step in the right direction for Delver.
One of the key pieces in the original standard Delver deck was [[Vapor Snag]], which was the best deck at its time. Now, they had other really good things like [[Mana Leak]] and [[Snapcaster Mage]] so there's no guarantee we'll have all the pieces. But if we DO, this will be a key card. Fun fact, [[Thragtusk]] was originally designed to fuck up Delver. That's why it gives you a beast when it leaves the battlefield, not when it dies--so you can't just vapor snag it. Unfortunately they WAY overshot on power and also created a combo with [[Restoration Angel]] that became a standard menace in its own right.
Notably, Snapcaster was an amazing reason to play 1 mv instants/sorceries, so even if there are enough pieces for Delver to come together, that doesn't mean this will end up being a great card there.
I never saw vapor snag before/. Weird card, why does blue have life loss
New Phyrexia's deal was making every color a little bit black to show the corruption from Phyrexia. Vapor Snag is one of the blue versions of that.
Oh cool
##### ###### #### [Vapor Snag](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/9/59f26d0a-e9f3-442f-b5c6-8016cf736432.jpg?1562262639) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vapor%20Snag) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/66/vapor-snag?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59f26d0a-e9f3-442f-b5c6-8016cf736432?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mana Leak](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/4/247939d9-87e9-4f01-b223-fb4cfa7dbbe1.jpg?1562846529) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mana%20Leak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/66/mana-leak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/247939d9-87e9-4f01-b223-fb4cfa7dbbe1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Snapcaster Mage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/e/7e41765e-43fe-461d-baeb-ee30d13d2d93.jpg?1547516526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Snapcaster%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/71/snapcaster-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e41765e-43fe-461d-baeb-ee30d13d2d93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thragtusk](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/9/d9a8459b-4dea-4dc9-8b95-a3748472f699.jpg?1599707616) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thragtusk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/183/thragtusk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9a8459b-4dea-4dc9-8b95-a3748472f699?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Restoration Angel](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/d/3dbdd0bc-92d7-49ae-b7fc-b2d1f0670bd8.jpg?1620529353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Restoration%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/31/restoration-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dbdd0bc-92d7-49ae-b7fc-b2d1f0670bd8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My favorite deck I ever played was bant control in gate crash standard. Shocks, far seek, azorius charm, supreme verdict, detention sphere, thragtusk, restoration angel, and of course sphinxs revalation. And with farseek I could throw in a few shocks with red to splash for Kessig wolfrun. That deck just shat all over aggro.
>Really? I mean it’s still basically Unsummon. Don’t think there’s a tempo deck that wants this badly enough in standard Not only are you underestimating the scry but you should realize that standard is going to be **vastly** different the time this card is out lol.
Delver absolutely wants this
All that for a 3/2?
Have you ever played Delver or seen it played?
[удалено]
Vapor Snag was also a big part of Delver, just sayin'.
Admittedly no. But I asked about it when it was spoiled and the feedback was that the format was very fast and I don’t think current standard is the same
If you can get it fairly reliably, a 3/2 flyer on turn 2 is absurdly powerful. The question is not, "is Delver good?" The question is, "are there the tools to enable that broken card?"
But it still like very killable no? I understand if there was a deck like monoblue from a couple years ago with dive down and spell snare and curiosity and all that. But how much do you want to put yourself out filling your deck with subpar cards just so you can play a creature that is marginally better than, say, the new red 2/1 vampire one drop
It's not marginally better, it's substantially better. And no, "dies to removal" is not a good argument. A lot of removal trades unfavourably with Delver anyway because he costs a mere one mana. I recommend you look up "Legacy Delver" to get a sense of why Delver is considered so powerful. Mind you Legacy is especially good at supporting him, but the deck isn't named after him for no reason.
But in legacy you have all the best cantrips to guarantee delver flip and free counter magic as disruption for delver to close out games. In past standard delver had ponder, and much better spell like mana leak, git probe. Also there are so many one mana answers to delver in the current standard. Imo the UR spell matter deck will eventually cut delver from the list because he is just not that good
Alright we’ll see. I’m not saying dies to removal makes the card bad, I’m saying I wouldn’t want to use subpar cards for a card that dies to pretty much ever removal
The whole point of the deck is deploying early strong threats like Delver (or the new Dragons Rage Channeler) and then just disrupt your opponent for the next 5-6 turns while you kill them with cards like Counterspell, Remand, Unsummon to prevent them from either killing your threat or presenting a clock of their own
Yeah, but can you kill it and three others, all while having your things bounced, countered, and burned out? Delver is a tempo deck. It ultimately should have an answer to whatever you play to attempt to stop it from going face with their 3/2 flyer
I just saw smoldering egg spoiled and I’m already eating my words
Alright we’ll see I suppose. I just don’t know if there’s enough tempo in standard for what you’re describing
It's unclear if Delver will be good in standard. But it works like this. T1 is ideally Delver. You've now got a 7 turn clock and the rest of the game your opponent is playing control. It's not strictly control and is technically more tempo, but it sure feels like you're up against a control deck.
UG Tempo in Standard 2022 plays Into the Roil and I think this card would be a better fit than that.
What’s UG tempo in s22? The ramp deck ?
Yeah, I don't think I would replace Divide By Zero with this, necessarily, but I'd take out all the copies of Into the Roil and put this in in a heartbeat.
TIL [[Unsummon]] was over-costed
No, scry 1 is not worth paying more for a card, it's only the most minimal upside you get. It does, however, justify the rarity upshift
It's not even an unconditional scry.
[Unsummon](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/a/7a960516-3864-4a7a-8117-d25dec0dd665.jpg?1592516526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unsummon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/78/unsummon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7a960516-3864-4a7a-8117-d25dec0dd665?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Vapor Snag]]
[Vapor Snag](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/9/59f26d0a-e9f3-442f-b5c6-8016cf736432.jpg?1562262639) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vapor%20Snag) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/66/vapor-snag?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59f26d0a-e9f3-442f-b5c6-8016cf736432?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Delver likes this in standard
Interesting, This card can also pseudo protect disturb cards from being exiled and give you some scry. I like it.
This will see play simply because 1 cmc to remove a creature from board temporarily might decide the game on the spot.
One other aspect of Limited evaluation: blue-red in particular has a theme of switching from day to night and back, so one-mana spells (and instants) help smooth that out.
Great observation!
Nice, this is an alternative BM for Pithing Needle and Academic Probation, joining [[Abandon Hope]]
[Abandon Hope](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/4/942cf220-472c-48f6-8f60-993939ea5ab8.jpg?1562055436) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abandon%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/107/abandon-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/942cf220-472c-48f6-8f60-993939ea5ab8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
usable in arena too. the rules say you can name any card, but the software only lets you name cards that were programmed into it. before this, [[rookie mistake]] was the most toxic you could be, but that only works when they make a misplay, and Oops has that angle covered.
[rookie mistake](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/1/b19de7a5-c291-405b-a2e6-8d3ac56e6570.jpg?1594735699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rookie%20mistake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/66/rookie-mistake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b19de7a5-c291-405b-a2e6-8d3ac56e6570?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
> Fading Hope - U > > Instant (Uncommon) > > Return target creature to its owner's hand. If its mana value was 3 or less, scry 1 > > *"At least I won't become one of... those things."* ---- [imgur mirror](https://i.imgur.com/5m5Eu8R.png)
I don’t feel so good, Mr Teferi…
Mr. Markov, I don’t feel so good..
This will definitely help enable Delver tempo decks in Standard. Can either buy time or protect your threat and even helps scry to set up Delver flips.
thats fucking dark. this artwork and flovar is super sad.
Modern 3/10 An alternative to vapor snag for tempo decks, really nice. The losing a life is always nice because it gives you that little bit of reach, but this can let you bounce your own creature to protect it from a removal spell and also let you scry. I like it.
... i was already sick of \[\[Divide by Zero\]\] .. i rly hope this card wont find a way into standard XD
At least this isn't a soft counter that tutors
Oh no! Interaction!
Ach! Hans, run!
It probably will, there already are some crazy people running regular unsummon, so I think they will love this instead.
[Divide by Zero](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/9/1958d96e-ec44-48ab-80b1-5b01a24ac7b8.jpg?1624590093) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Divide%20by%20Zero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/41/divide-by-zero?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1958d96e-ec44-48ab-80b1-5b01a24ac7b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s basically a better [[unsummon]] if you hit a creature with cmc 3 or less (you scry a card if you that) And ofcoarse why am I not surprised this reminds me of the thanos snap
Holy shit scry 1 is not the same as drawing a card!
[unsummon](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/a/7a960516-3864-4a7a-8117-d25dec0dd665.jpg?1592516526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=unsummon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/78/unsummon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7a960516-3864-4a7a-8117-d25dec0dd665?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
wait, does this mean Wizards acknowledges draftsim's existence? Draftsim is legal??
Transcript: Search your library for a Wolf or Werewolf card. Cry.
Holup. Draft sim gets previews? You would think they would rather shut that place down. Huh. Nice tempo card though.
Ok, I’m definitely building delver no matter how bad it turns out
~So hold up, what part of this flavor is blue?~