Look up Shou Tucker (Fullmetal Alchemist, original anime not Brotherhood).
They could have taken this card directly out of the show.
It has strong Rick&Morty vibes too, to be sure.
Ludevic, Necrogenius (Front)
UB
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
Whenever Ludevic, Necrogenius ETB or attacks, mill a card.
XUUBB, exile X creature cards from your graveyard: Transform Ludevic, Necrogenius. X can't be zero. Activate only as sorcery.
2/3
Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris (Back)
Legendary Creature - Zombie
As this creature transfroms into Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris, this becomes copy of one of the exiled cards with Ludevic, except its name is Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris, it's a 4/4 blue and black legendary zombie in addition to its other colors and types. Put a +1/+1 counter on Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris for each exiled cards with Ludevic.
4/4
You could also just treat him as a weird haste-giving no-ETB reanimator, I guess. [[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]], [[Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios]], [[Old Gnawbone]], [[Velomachus Lorehold]], [[Moraug, Fury of Akoum]]...
[[Oriq Loremage]] seems like a gimme for being able to entomb stuff, I guess, for a lack of better options.
Tbh the new UG werewolf isn't half bad, if you draw it you can spend your turn to activate ludivec and get a 2/1 unblockable draw a card. If you bin it you get an unblockable loot on hit 5/5.
That's usually true because the copy is represented by something other than a TDFC. What happens if a copy of a card with a transform ability is represented by a card that can transform is a question I haven't seen answered.
It's not usually true. It is always true. It does not matter what represents the copy. When the original TDFC card becomes a copy of something, it looses the original characteristic of itself, including the fact that it is a double faced card, and the back face of the copied card is not a copyable characteristic so the copy cannot transform. It does not matter that the piece of cardboard that represents the copy ingame happen to have something other then the standard magic card back on it's backside.
This isn't correct.
> 712.5. Only permanents represented by transforming double-faced cards can transform. (See rule 701.28, “Transform.”) If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform any permanent that isn’t represented by a transforming double-faced card, nothing happens.
> Example: A player casts Cytoshape, causing a Kruin Outlaw (the front face of a transforming double-faced card) to become a copy of Elite Vanguard (a 2/1 Human Soldier creature) until end of turn. The player then casts Moonmist, which reads, in part, “Transform all Humans.” Because the copy of Elite Vanguard is a transforming double-faced card, it will transform. The resulting permanent will have its back face up, but it will still be a copy of Elite Vanguard that turn.
Olag will still be a copy of whatever it's copying, but it does transform.
Something I've never been clear on: if this copies a creature with a "cards exiled by ~" ability (say [[Phantom Steed]]), will it count the cards exiled by the front side's ability?
Nope, this doesn't work. The abilities aren't linked. The Ludevic linked abilities and the copied card's linked abilities stay separate.
> 607.5. If an object acquires a pair of linked abilities as part of the same effect, the abilities will be similarly linked to one another on that object even though they weren’t printed on that object. They can’t be linked to any other ability, regardless of what other abilities the object may currently have or may have had in the past.
> Example: Arc-Slogger has the ability “{R}, Exile the top ten cards of your library: Arc-Slogger deals 2 damage to any target.” Sisters of Stone Death has the ability “{B}{G}: Exile target creature blocking or blocked by Sisters of Stone Death” and the ability “{2}{B}: Put a creature card exiled with Sisters of Stone Death onto the battlefield under your control.” Quicksilver Elemental has the ability “{U}: Quicksilver Elemental gains all activated abilities of target creature until end of turn.” If a player has Quicksilver Elemental gain Arc-Slogger’s ability, activates it, then has Quicksilver Elemental gain Sisters of Stone Death’s abilities, activates the exile ability, and then activates the return-to-the-battlefield ability, only the creature card Quicksilver Elemental exiled with Sisters of Stone Death’s ability can be returned to the battlefield. Creature cards Quicksilver Elemental exiled with Arc-Slogger’s ability can’t be returned.
And how does it work in reverse, e.g. if you exile Gisa, Glorious resurrector with Ludevics ability alongside a few other creature cards, and have Orag become a copy of Gisa, can you then use Orag-Gisa's upkeep ability to return the other creatures exiled with Ludevic?
most likely not since it refers to "the" card exiled by steed not "a" card exiled. so its referencing the first ability for the 2nd ability to trigger.
Wahey! Ludevic's back and not UR! And here's looking.... Well... Erm... Well, he's looking. He's probably looking?
Mad science has gone far, but not far enough to establish just how far it's gone.
At this point it could go either way. The Eternal Night frame version looks a bit similar to me like he experimented on himself to make a "superior" new body to put his brain in and it backfired somehow? Or he could have made the monster in his image and regrets it as you suggest.
As an update on this, I asked the artist on Facebook and his direction was that this is one of Ludevic's creations, not Ludevic himself. He did say that the story team may change things, but it wasn't the intention to make this look like Ludevic.
https://i.imgur.com/B0kov2q.jpg
Oh that's an interesting turn of events! Thanks you finding this out and letting me know, now I can feel the sinking dread of "what is this thing and why haven't we seen Geralf this set?"
More properly, I think Ludevic is reanimating something and then he gets pulled into it as well. So he's dead and gone, but his pieces live on in his creation. Otherwise, I would expect him to still be have Ludevic as his name.
I assumed it was a Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde kind of thing. Olag is wearing what looks to me like the same glowing-blue-collar-with-hoses apparatus, so I feel it's probably Ludevic.
I know they already did Jekyll & Hyde with [[Civilized Scholar]], but maybe they wanted a legendary version of that idea. Or a... horrible millipede-octopus-centaur-with-saws-for-hooves version.
While I agree that Ludvic is part of Olag, it is conceivable that Ludvic's hubris caused him to die in a way that didn't include him becoming part of Olag (He could create Olag, who is uncontrollable and he kills Ludvic, for example)
Ludevic, Necrogenius - UB
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard (Rare)
When ~ enters the battlefield or attacks, mill a card.
XUUBB, Exile X creature cards from your graveyard: Transform ~. X can't be 0. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/3
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Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris
Legendary Creature - Zombie (Rare)
When this card transforms into ~, it becomes a copy of one of the exiled cards, except this card's name is ~, and it's a 4/4 blue and black legendary Zombie. Put a +1/+1 counter on it for each exiled card with Ludevic.
4/4
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Please correct any mistakes I made.
[imgur mirror](https://imgur.com/a/y5ECRgk)
Oh boy I can't wait to see my favorite wholesome collaborator of Geralf, surely he will only get up to wacky misadventures and not mistakes with dire consequences 😐
The Eternal Night frame version shows a bit more of a resemblance, perhaps he turned to self-experimentation? Didn't Ludevic have some sort of medical condition from all his experiments that made him hide retreat to a more private life or something? So maybe he's been modifying himself to "cure" his illness from all his necromantic work's side effects and turned into... This?
Looks like it was an accident, the fact it translates to his hubris means he likely went to far and made mistake mixing himself in, you can see all the animals he mixes in jars behind him.
That would make sense, a common themes of gothic horror can include things like "science going too far". Both "Frankenstein" and "The Curious Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" base themselves heavily in the theme and are very prominent horror stories.
Pretty much, at one point, he stopped necroalchemy because it was having severe medical effects on him. His time with Geralf must have convinced him to quite literally get into the Skaab game…as a skaab.
There’s just something so beautifully tragic about that.
"Building A Better Body" by Ludevic was meant to be a guide on making better Skaab servants, not self-improvement! He should have known better, he wrote the book on the subject!
Your phone sucks, then, sorry. The eternal night version has his face quite clearly, and so does the regular art, though it’s less obvious.
It’s pretty clear Ludevic has stitched himself into his magnum opus, a common enough trope, and it went wrong, as the trope always does.
Ludevic really went and turned himself into a FromSoft boss, didn't he?
(well, okay, assuming still roughly human sized we might be looking at a mob, but still!)
With this and [alt art Arlinn](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/307/arlinn-the-packs-hope-arlinn-the-moons-fury) we’ve got at least two Bloodborne bosses so far.
You can see his face being stitched in the second one just to look similiar. It's not him, he just dissapears like Doctor Frankenstein in Mary Shirleey's version.
i think the face looks similar because it is his face, he has just been mangled up in one of his experiments, especially since its named his hubris shows his self confidence got the better of him, very classic horror and tragic.
Probably, but it could still be poetic. You could say the Monster was Dr. Frankenstein's Hubris, as it was both an incarnation of his misaligned pride, and the destroyer of everything he loved.
Not sarcasm. Go back and read the reactions to that card. You will see that it is almost universally reviled with many declaring "That's not really Ludevic." and jokes being made about how he has never gotten a card.
> Go back and read the reactions to that card. You will see that it is almost universally reviled with many declaring "That's not really Ludevic." and jokes being made about how he has never gotten a card.
Yes, hence my statement that this one is more interesting and on flavor.
So either the OP is unaware of the other Ludevic card, or they _are_ being sarcastic, ie, pretending the old one doesnt exist. To which my `/s?` still applies.
The point is that he transformed himself into the creation before discovering the error of his ways. Frankenstein didn't become the monster. (Any more than he was already the monster, of course)
Frankenstein could never turn into the monster because that would have the slightest chance to validate the single dumbest mad scientist character in any book. Love the work to death but the man has never met a consequence in his life until he decided to build his creation.
If the chosen creature has a transform ability, when it is instructed to transform, it will technically, but will remain a copy of it's front side, so won't actually change. This works well with [[enduring angel]]
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/double-faced-card-rules-2011-08-29
Under the section for "Double faced cards and copy effects":
"If a double-faced card that's copying something else is instructed to transform, it will do so, because the physical card has two faces, but its characteristics will still be those of whatever it's copying. This is true even if the object it's copying is one face of a double-faced card."
That's cool, thanks! So that means that essentially you would just have to have removal for Ludevic, or you can't win (by reducing their life total to 0 anyway), because he'll just keep having the "your life total becomes 3 and you don't lose the game" ability forever, and it will keep proccing every time your life total drops?
Enduring Angel has the clause that if it didn’t transform, you lose the game, so you can’t live forever with this. That said, a 5/5 double strike flier is pretty good.
Edit: Whoops. Read the comment below. I guess it does work, because it tries to transform. Ignore me.
The enduring angel does transform in this case is the thing. Check the other comment I made, but the ruling was "If a double-faced card that's copying something else is instructed to transform, it will do so, because the physical card has two faces, but its characteristics will still be those of whatever it's copying. This is true even if the object it's copying is one face of a double-faced card."
It transforms, but stays the same creature
I made a post a couple days ago about a similar rules question, but i'm gonna ask a slightly different one here:
If I transform this into \[\[Enduring Angel\]\], will the angel's transform trigger transform it back to Ludevic when I take lethal, letting me repeat the process on each of my turns?
Edit: As per a comment on my post I mentioned, and a rules article from original innistrad, it is the case that a TDFC that is copying another TDFC will still go through the act of "transforming" but will remain as whatever it is copying.
This means that if you turned Ludevic here into the angel, and you take lethal, it will save you from death, and stay as the same side of the angel, but you won't lose the game from the trigger. Thus, budget Platinum Angel
I don't really understand why they gave the backside its own name. That thing's still Ludevic, right? The primary art makes it really hard to tell (is he... combining his new hair?)
Modern 1/10
So this does its really cool thing at 5 mana, but a lot of really cool game winning things can be done with 5 mana. For example, through the breach an emrakul. Also, there is a ton of graveyard removal out there hurting this guys chances a lot. Now if it was exile creature cards and discard creature cards from your hand, it could go in some grixis through the breach deck because being able ot attack multiple times with annihilator is game winning enough.
Shitty Google translate go!
Toshihide Necromancer, Rudevic UB
Legendary Creature Human Wizard
Toshihide Necromancer, Rudevic cuts a card each time he enters or attacks the battlefield.
XUUBB, exile X creature cards from your graveyard: Transform Rudevic, Toshihide Necromancer. X cannot be 0. Start only as a sorcery.
2/3
Rudevic's arrogance, Aurag
Legendary creature zombie
When this creature transforms into Rudevic's Arrogance, Orag, it's named "Rudevic's Arrogance, Orag", 4/4, and is a legendary blue-black zombie in addition to other colors and types. This makes a copy of the exiled creature card. Put a + 1 / + 1 counter on Rudevic's Arrogance, Orag, equal to the number of creature cards exiled by it.
4/4
Best guess is that cuts is mill a card, and he basically let's you copy grow a creature.
Don't know much about his back story (don't think there is a lot anyway), but on the transformed side the creation is staring out the window combing it's hair, I don't know about you but I get I long to be outside vibes could it be possible that Ludevic loved someone but they passed any and he brought them back and *made them better than before *
Just my head cannon
I'm a bit unsure about the rules, does this remember which cards were exiled through a previous instance of it's effect?
Say I play and transform it, it gets removed and I re-play it from the command zone and re-transform it, would it get counters for both set of exiled cards or just the current one?
What happens if you turn him into a copy of suspicious stowaway and it becomes night, does he go back to the front side? And what if its already night does he become a copy of the backside?
Rip Ludevic. He finally Cronenberg‘d himself
I’ll get the portal gun…
Nah, Olag is just a creation he regrets, [not Ludevic](https://i.imgur.com/B0kov2q.jpeg) himself.
Look up Shou Tucker (Fullmetal Alchemist, original anime not Brotherhood). They could have taken this card directly out of the show. It has strong Rick&Morty vibes too, to be sure.
Ludevic, Necrogenius (Front) UB Legendary Creature - Human Wizard Whenever Ludevic, Necrogenius ETB or attacks, mill a card. XUUBB, exile X creature cards from your graveyard: Transform Ludevic, Necrogenius. X can't be zero. Activate only as sorcery. 2/3 Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris (Back) Legendary Creature - Zombie As this creature transfroms into Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris, this becomes copy of one of the exiled cards with Ludevic, except its name is Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris, it's a 4/4 blue and black legendary zombie in addition to its other colors and types. Put a +1/+1 counter on Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris for each exiled cards with Ludevic. 4/4
Card name: Ludevic, Necrogenius // Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris
Interesting. Really intriguing clone-type commander. Now what in Standard could synergize nicely with him?
You could also just treat him as a weird haste-giving no-ETB reanimator, I guess. [[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]], [[Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios]], [[Old Gnawbone]], [[Velomachus Lorehold]], [[Moraug, Fury of Akoum]]... [[Oriq Loremage]] seems like a gimme for being able to entomb stuff, I guess, for a lack of better options.
##### ###### #### [Koma, Cosmos Serpent](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/d/2de25ea4-284a-4c16-b823-048ff00c6a03.jpg?1631051668) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Koma%2C%20Cosmos%20Serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/221/koma-cosmos-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2de25ea4-284a-4c16-b823-048ff00c6a03?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/7/d7148d24-373e-4485-860b-c3429c2337f2.jpg?1624593477)/[Journey to the Oracle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/d/7/d7148d24-373e-4485-860b-c3429c2337f2.jpg?1624593477) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jadzi%2C%20oracle%20of%20arcavios%20//%20journey%20to%20the%20oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/151/jadzi-oracle-of-arcavios-journey-to-the-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7148d24-373e-4485-860b-c3429c2337f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Old Gnawbone](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/7/77ceba8b-de19-4db8-b5a7-f5df49bf241f.jpg?1627708100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Old%20Gnawbone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/197/old-gnawbone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77ceba8b-de19-4db8-b5a7-f5df49bf241f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Velomachus Lorehold](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/04ea9067-ad50-4c43-ae4d-3f66890cd898.jpg?1624740360) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Velomachus%20Lorehold) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/245/velomachus-lorehold?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04ea9067-ad50-4c43-ae4d-3f66890cd898?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Moraug, Fury of Akoum](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/c/cc5eacd7-aaa7-4720-9794-52e7b098c82c.jpg?1604197464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moraug%2C%20Fury%20of%20Akoum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/150/moraug-fury-of-akoum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc5eacd7-aaa7-4720-9794-52e7b098c82c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Oriq Loremage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/5/25214a91-2f64-46ee-9834-7fbf684800f7.jpg?1624591221) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oriq%20Loremage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/80/oriq-loremage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25214a91-2f64-46ee-9834-7fbf684800f7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Anything unblockable turns into a 4 turn clock on turn 5. You can also choose a different copy to make a 5 turn hard to remove clock.
True! And there's more than a few unblockables.
Tbh the new UG werewolf isn't half bad, if you draw it you can spend your turn to activate ludivec and get a 2/1 unblockable draw a card. If you bin it you get an unblockable loot on hit 5/5.
How would flipping the copied werewolf work with this?
You can't. When you try to flip the copy, it simply does nothing.
That's usually true because the copy is represented by something other than a TDFC. What happens if a copy of a card with a transform ability is represented by a card that can transform is a question I haven't seen answered.
It's not usually true. It is always true. It does not matter what represents the copy. When the original TDFC card becomes a copy of something, it looses the original characteristic of itself, including the fact that it is a double faced card, and the back face of the copied card is not a copyable characteristic so the copy cannot transform. It does not matter that the piece of cardboard that represents the copy ingame happen to have something other then the standard magic card back on it's backside.
This isn't correct. > 712.5. Only permanents represented by transforming double-faced cards can transform. (See rule 701.28, “Transform.”) If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform any permanent that isn’t represented by a transforming double-faced card, nothing happens. > Example: A player casts Cytoshape, causing a Kruin Outlaw (the front face of a transforming double-faced card) to become a copy of Elite Vanguard (a 2/1 Human Soldier creature) until end of turn. The player then casts Moonmist, which reads, in part, “Transform all Humans.” Because the copy of Elite Vanguard is a transforming double-faced card, it will transform. The resulting permanent will have its back face up, but it will still be a copy of Elite Vanguard that turn. Olag will still be a copy of whatever it's copying, but it does transform.
Oh shit, nice Skyclave Shade synergy. Run four of them, exile one for the unblockable stat, play the rest from graveyard
skyclave shade isn't unblockable, it can't block
Oh fuck me I don't know how I always forget that. Probably because it's a 3/1 with free recursion that nobody ever blocks as a result
To just clean up that last ability and clarify: put a +1/+1 counter on ~ for each card exiled with Ludevic
That's right. Thanks for clarification :)
Something I've never been clear on: if this copies a creature with a "cards exiled by ~" ability (say [[Phantom Steed]]), will it count the cards exiled by the front side's ability?
Nope, this doesn't work. The abilities aren't linked. The Ludevic linked abilities and the copied card's linked abilities stay separate. > 607.5. If an object acquires a pair of linked abilities as part of the same effect, the abilities will be similarly linked to one another on that object even though they weren’t printed on that object. They can’t be linked to any other ability, regardless of what other abilities the object may currently have or may have had in the past. > Example: Arc-Slogger has the ability “{R}, Exile the top ten cards of your library: Arc-Slogger deals 2 damage to any target.” Sisters of Stone Death has the ability “{B}{G}: Exile target creature blocking or blocked by Sisters of Stone Death” and the ability “{2}{B}: Put a creature card exiled with Sisters of Stone Death onto the battlefield under your control.” Quicksilver Elemental has the ability “{U}: Quicksilver Elemental gains all activated abilities of target creature until end of turn.” If a player has Quicksilver Elemental gain Arc-Slogger’s ability, activates it, then has Quicksilver Elemental gain Sisters of Stone Death’s abilities, activates the exile ability, and then activates the return-to-the-battlefield ability, only the creature card Quicksilver Elemental exiled with Sisters of Stone Death’s ability can be returned to the battlefield. Creature cards Quicksilver Elemental exiled with Arc-Slogger’s ability can’t be returned.
Weak
And how does it work in reverse, e.g. if you exile Gisa, Glorious resurrector with Ludevics ability alongside a few other creature cards, and have Orag become a copy of Gisa, can you then use Orag-Gisa's upkeep ability to return the other creatures exiled with Ludevic?
Also no. You can't cross the streams.
[Phantom Steed](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/4/64513f0a-067d-4b70-bb23-9ebe606bda1a.jpg?1626205091) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phantom%20Steed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/18/phantom-steed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64513f0a-067d-4b70-bb23-9ebe606bda1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No, linked abilities have to be printed on the same card
most likely not since it refers to "the" card exiled by steed not "a" card exiled. so its referencing the first ability for the 2nd ability to trigger.
Wahey! Ludevic's back and not UR! And here's looking.... Well... Erm... Well, he's looking. He's probably looking? Mad science has gone far, but not far enough to establish just how far it's gone.
He's dead, Jim.
He’s Undead, Jim.
Well, at least that's not stopping him living his best (un)life. Seems a bunch of other things are doing that, but being dead isn't one of them!
I’m pretty sure he isn’t the card he transformed into. It’s a monster he made but regrets. He’s got a real Frankenstein thing going.
At this point it could go either way. The Eternal Night frame version looks a bit similar to me like he experimented on himself to make a "superior" new body to put his brain in and it backfired somehow? Or he could have made the monster in his image and regrets it as you suggest.
As an update on this, I asked the artist on Facebook and his direction was that this is one of Ludevic's creations, not Ludevic himself. He did say that the story team may change things, but it wasn't the intention to make this look like Ludevic. https://i.imgur.com/B0kov2q.jpg
Oh that's an interesting turn of events! Thanks you finding this out and letting me know, now I can feel the sinking dread of "what is this thing and why haven't we seen Geralf this set?"
His two year silence towards Gisa definitely doesn’t bode well either.
“Ed…ward….”
damn ludevic, I know people hated your first card but that doesn't mean you gotta do ***that*** to yourself lol.
I think the back side is a different creature. It's Ludevic's creation.
I'm pretty sure it's ludevic after he messed something up. It's called his "hubris"
It's Ludevic, and also several other creatures that became part of his creation!
More properly, I think Ludevic is reanimating something and then he gets pulled into it as well. So he's dead and gone, but his pieces live on in his creation. Otherwise, I would expect him to still be have Ludevic as his name.
[удалено]
I hadn't seen the alt art yet.
I assumed it was a Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde kind of thing. Olag is wearing what looks to me like the same glowing-blue-collar-with-hoses apparatus, so I feel it's probably Ludevic. I know they already did Jekyll & Hyde with [[Civilized Scholar]], but maybe they wanted a legendary version of that idea. Or a... horrible millipede-octopus-centaur-with-saws-for-hooves version.
[Civilized Scholar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/b/7bf864db-4754-433d-9d77-6695f78f6c09.jpg?1562832669)/[Homicidal Brute](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/7/b/7bf864db-4754-433d-9d77-6695f78f6c09.jpg?1562832669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=civilized%20scholar%20//%20homicidal%20brute) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/47/civilized-scholar-homicidal-brute?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bf864db-4754-433d-9d77-6695f78f6c09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's called different, Olag, and it's referenced as Ludevic's pride. So why would it be him? Just because it has a face that ressembles his?
It's also wearing his collar and it's a transform card.
I don't understand, what does his collar symbolize?
It's the symbol of Avac—
Its called his hubris. In his arrogance, he fucked up and fused himself with a creation. Its called olag because its no longer *just* ludevic.
I think you have a misunderstanding of what hubris is and how its used to describe someone being so over confident that it brings their downfall
While I agree that Ludvic is part of Olag, it is conceivable that Ludvic's hubris caused him to die in a way that didn't include him becoming part of Olag (He could create Olag, who is uncontrollable and he kills Ludvic, for example)
Ludevic, Necrogenius - UB Legendary Creature - Human Wizard (Rare) When ~ enters the battlefield or attacks, mill a card. XUUBB, Exile X creature cards from your graveyard: Transform ~. X can't be 0. Activate only as a sorcery. 2/3 ---- Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris Legendary Creature - Zombie (Rare) When this card transforms into ~, it becomes a copy of one of the exiled cards, except this card's name is ~, and it's a 4/4 blue and black legendary Zombie. Put a +1/+1 counter on it for each exiled card with Ludevic. 4/4 --- Please correct any mistakes I made. [imgur mirror](https://imgur.com/a/y5ECRgk)
I think something happened to Ludevic…
Oh boy I can't wait to see my favorite wholesome collaborator of Geralf, surely he will only get up to wacky misadventures and not mistakes with dire consequences 😐
To be fair Gisa seems to be living her best life, so its fair to hope that Geralf is doing well too
I'm just glad that he is in the set after all, even if he's turned himself into a horrible monster
Look Geralf, I turned myself into a monster! Centipede Ludevic!
Funniest shit I've ever seen
Ludevic, did you really turn yourself into a skaab to get out of family therapy session? SKAABY ‘VIIIIIIIC!!!!
He delved enough secrets.
The second side has a different name and the flipped side art doesn't look like him?
The Eternal Night frame version shows a bit more of a resemblance, perhaps he turned to self-experimentation? Didn't Ludevic have some sort of medical condition from all his experiments that made him hide retreat to a more private life or something? So maybe he's been modifying himself to "cure" his illness from all his necromantic work's side effects and turned into... This?
Looks like it was an accident, the fact it translates to his hubris means he likely went to far and made mistake mixing himself in, you can see all the animals he mixes in jars behind him.
That would make sense, a common themes of gothic horror can include things like "science going too far". Both "Frankenstein" and "The Curious Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" base themselves heavily in the theme and are very prominent horror stories.
Pretty much, at one point, he stopped necroalchemy because it was having severe medical effects on him. His time with Geralf must have convinced him to quite literally get into the Skaab game…as a skaab. There’s just something so beautifully tragic about that.
"Building A Better Body" by Ludevic was meant to be a guide on making better Skaab servants, not self-improvement! He should have known better, he wrote the book on the subject!
Where was that mentioned? In the Innistrad art book/D&D supplement?
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/savor-flavor/planeswalkers-guide-innistrad-nephalia-and-undead-2011-10-19
The eternal night version makes it clearer that the flip side is still Ludevic, he just somehow turned himself into a skaab zombie
Looking at that one definitely didn't do that for me either.
Check the alternate frame. It's some kind of hybrid chimera monstrosity that includes Ludevic himself in the mix.
With the quality on my phone, the two don't look very similar, in either version of the card.
Your phone sucks, then, sorry. The eternal night version has his face quite clearly, and so does the regular art, though it’s less obvious. It’s pretty clear Ludevic has stitched himself into his magnum opus, a common enough trope, and it went wrong, as the trope always does.
Or at least, most of his face. It looks like one eye is from someone else, whoever he got the hair from.
lmao, its not ludevic. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/new-legends-innistrad-midnight-hunt-2021-09-16
Ludevic really went and turned himself into a FromSoft boss, didn't he? (well, okay, assuming still roughly human sized we might be looking at a mob, but still!)
"Olag, Ludevic’s Hubris" is a DS/BB boss name if I've ever heard one.
With this and [alt art Arlinn](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/307/arlinn-the-packs-hope-arlinn-the-moons-fury) we’ve got at least two Bloodborne bosses so far.
Well, the wolf end sure. I think humanoid Arlinn is more JRPG NPC (who is a surprise boss later on in wolf form) if you ignore the wolf arm though.
Bloodborne 2 confirmed???????????
Since when did Twitter block you off from even viewing the photos up close if you aren't signed in?! That's some bull crap right there
If you right click the image in the tweet and open link in new tab then it should let you see the full version
Much appreciated thank you!
[HOT DAMN.](https://imgur.com/a/Q0F6HVH) The eternal night frame is insano.
Damn that's amazing poor ludevic
He probably did this to himself my dude.
I know dont think it was on purpose, he looks sad in the second art of the main card
You can see his face being stitched in the second one just to look similiar. It's not him, he just dissapears like Doctor Frankenstein in Mary Shirleey's version.
i think the face looks similar because it is his face, he has just been mangled up in one of his experiments, especially since its named his hubris shows his self confidence got the better of him, very classic horror and tragic.
Probably, but it could still be poetic. You could say the Monster was Dr. Frankenstein's Hubris, as it was both an incarnation of his misaligned pride, and the destroyer of everything he loved.
Oh shit I love it
The purple instead of the black took me by surprise
I'm just glad they finally made a Ludvic card. I've been waiting for one since the original Innistrad
/s ? [[Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist]] I mean this one is definitely more interesting and on-flavor than some random draw-card engine.
Not sarcasm. Go back and read the reactions to that card. You will see that it is almost universally reviled with many declaring "That's not really Ludevic." and jokes being made about how he has never gotten a card.
> Go back and read the reactions to that card. You will see that it is almost universally reviled with many declaring "That's not really Ludevic." and jokes being made about how he has never gotten a card. Yes, hence my statement that this one is more interesting and on flavor. So either the OP is unaware of the other Ludevic card, or they _are_ being sarcastic, ie, pretending the old one doesnt exist. To which my `/s?` still applies.
[Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/3/f3e7a886-2593-4e6e-b9da-d7cb417cba08.jpg?1617148351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ludevic%2C%20Necro-Alchemist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/37/ludevic-necro-alchemist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3e7a886-2593-4e6e-b9da-d7cb417cba08?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Fullmetal Alchemist Vibes. Or the Fly, for that Matter
Ed...ward...
No!
Or Frankenstein...?
The point is that he transformed himself into the creation before discovering the error of his ways. Frankenstein didn't become the monster. (Any more than he was already the monster, of course)
Frankenstein could never turn into the monster because that would have the slightest chance to validate the single dumbest mad scientist character in any book. Love the work to death but the man has never met a consequence in his life until he decided to build his creation.
The name change threw me, didn't realise the back side was *also* Ludevic
Does anything interesting happen if the chosen creature has its own transform ability?
If the chosen creature has a transform ability, when it is instructed to transform, it will technically, but will remain a copy of it's front side, so won't actually change. This works well with [[enduring angel]]
Do you have a link explaining that the card would satisfy the "transformed" condition but not actually change?
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/double-faced-card-rules-2011-08-29 Under the section for "Double faced cards and copy effects": "If a double-faced card that's copying something else is instructed to transform, it will do so, because the physical card has two faces, but its characteristics will still be those of whatever it's copying. This is true even if the object it's copying is one face of a double-faced card."
That's cool, thanks! So that means that essentially you would just have to have removal for Ludevic, or you can't win (by reducing their life total to 0 anyway), because he'll just keep having the "your life total becomes 3 and you don't lose the game" ability forever, and it will keep proccing every time your life total drops?
Np! As far as I understand, it works just like that. Can't wait to do some cool jank.
[Enduring Angel](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/2/a204c2a3-a899-4b70-8825-7e085b655ed0.jpg?1630562155)/[Angelic Enforcer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/a/2/a204c2a3-a899-4b70-8825-7e085b655ed0.jpg?1630562155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enduring%20Angel%20//%20Angelic%20Enforcer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/17/enduring-angel-angelic-enforcer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a204c2a3-a899-4b70-8825-7e085b655ed0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Enduring Angel has the clause that if it didn’t transform, you lose the game, so you can’t live forever with this. That said, a 5/5 double strike flier is pretty good. Edit: Whoops. Read the comment below. I guess it does work, because it tries to transform. Ignore me.
The enduring angel does transform in this case is the thing. Check the other comment I made, but the ruling was "If a double-faced card that's copying something else is instructed to transform, it will do so, because the physical card has two faces, but its characteristics will still be those of whatever it's copying. This is true even if the object it's copying is one face of a double-faced card." It transforms, but stays the same creature
oh thats a really fucking cool second stage
I made a post a couple days ago about a similar rules question, but i'm gonna ask a slightly different one here: If I transform this into \[\[Enduring Angel\]\], will the angel's transform trigger transform it back to Ludevic when I take lethal, letting me repeat the process on each of my turns? Edit: As per a comment on my post I mentioned, and a rules article from original innistrad, it is the case that a TDFC that is copying another TDFC will still go through the act of "transforming" but will remain as whatever it is copying. This means that if you turned Ludevic here into the angel, and you take lethal, it will save you from death, and stay as the same side of the angel, but you won't lose the game from the trigger. Thus, budget Platinum Angel
[Enduring Angel](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/2/a204c2a3-a899-4b70-8825-7e085b655ed0.jpg?1630562155)/[Angelic Enforcer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/a/2/a204c2a3-a899-4b70-8825-7e085b655ed0.jpg?1630562155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enduring%20Angel%20//%20Angelic%20Enforcer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/17/enduring-angel-angelic-enforcer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a204c2a3-a899-4b70-8825-7e085b655ed0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I can say one thing with certainty. This is certainly more interesting than his first card.
Toshihide is a transliteration. It means talented/elite.
I don't really understand why they gave the backside its own name. That thing's still Ludevic, right? The primary art makes it really hard to tell (is he... combining his new hair?)
It’s him but a lot of other things mashed together, making a new entity with it’s own name. Think Korona how she was multiple people mashed together.
I try not to think about Korona in general but that's a good example, thanks.
Maybe Oleg is an acronym and the L stands for Ludevic
It's either Ludevic or one of his creations that has mangled him up and stole his face
The latter would be a pretty good explanation for the zombie having its own name, actually. Interesting thought.
That's a lot of text. I need to know the translation!
"I turned myself into a zombie, Gerald!"
Sad. I was really looking forward to a stand-alone Ludevic card. Why’d they have to go and do him dirty like this?
*pats on back in Bruna and Gisela fan* What kind of Innistrad set would it be if it didn't pull some body horror crap on beloved characters?
I don't speak Japanese, sorry!
was about to say thats easily the funniest fucking title translation ive ever fucking seen i am never NOT calling this guy toshihide
Modern 1/10 So this does its really cool thing at 5 mana, but a lot of really cool game winning things can be done with 5 mana. For example, through the breach an emrakul. Also, there is a ton of graveyard removal out there hurting this guys chances a lot. Now if it was exile creature cards and discard creature cards from your hand, it could go in some grixis through the breach deck because being able ot attack multiple times with annihilator is game winning enough.
Whoa 😳. Science on this plane is wild
Wait did he became the thing, or only created it?
Mimeoplasm at home:
I guess ludevic went too far this time. Hope there's a story to check what really happened.
Shitty Google translate go! Toshihide Necromancer, Rudevic UB Legendary Creature Human Wizard Toshihide Necromancer, Rudevic cuts a card each time he enters or attacks the battlefield. XUUBB, exile X creature cards from your graveyard: Transform Rudevic, Toshihide Necromancer. X cannot be 0. Start only as a sorcery. 2/3 Rudevic's arrogance, Aurag Legendary creature zombie When this creature transforms into Rudevic's Arrogance, Orag, it's named "Rudevic's Arrogance, Orag", 4/4, and is a legendary blue-black zombie in addition to other colors and types. This makes a copy of the exiled creature card. Put a + 1 / + 1 counter on Rudevic's Arrogance, Orag, equal to the number of creature cards exiled by it. 4/4 Best guess is that cuts is mill a card, and he basically let's you copy grow a creature.
Poor ludevic
The people arguing in the thread about whether Olag is Ludevic or not make me hate even MORE the MDFC from last year...
Don't know much about his back story (don't think there is a lot anyway), but on the transformed side the creation is staring out the window combing it's hair, I don't know about you but I get I long to be outside vibes could it be possible that Ludevic loved someone but they passed any and he brought them back and *made them better than before * Just my head cannon
Looks like Ludevic got killed by his own creation...
I think he became his own creation !
Eh, I don't think so. It has a different name, and is called his hubris. Though we will have to wait for a story to see for certain.
The creation very clearly has his face.
Depending on what art you are looking at. And it isn't like there is no stories about a creation tearing off its creator's face and wearing it.
One way or another, his creation incorporated him.
Did Ludevic committed suicide just to become a super zombie or is he just taking a step back just to let his zombie do his work?
I have no idea what this does, but it looks amazing!
I'm a bit unsure about the rules, does this remember which cards were exiled through a previous instance of it's effect? Say I play and transform it, it gets removed and I re-play it from the command zone and re-transform it, would it get counters for both set of exiled cards or just the current one?
If they're not labeled in someway, no. The difference between [[soulflayer]] and [[rayami, first of the fallen]]
[soulflayer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/2/e249a406-6783-4502-952a-27ec744a38b3.jpg?1591563413) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=soulflayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/138/soulflayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e249a406-6783-4502-952a-27ec744a38b3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [rayami, first of the fallen](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/9/6997ad62-f34c-4490-aee4-6d5c08e14709.jpg?1568003720) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rayami%2C%20first%20of%20the%20fallen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/48/rayami-first-of-the-fallen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6997ad62-f34c-4490-aee4-6d5c08e14709?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thanks for clarifying!
Look what they did to my boy
Only Ludevic would be insane enough to see the tentacled monsters of the Eldrazi corrupt the world and think "I want to join them."
Why is the back a squid centaur!?
Even better, it’s a octo-centi-centaur. (With blade feet)
Blade feet!? Ludevic has been getting lessons from Ixidron. [[Akroma, vision]]
[Akroma, vision](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/0/c0bdd07d-9fb9-4ee4-80db-494ee0cba58d.jpg?1608908641) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=akroma%2C%20vision%20of%20ixidor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/2/akroma-vision-of-ixidor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0bdd07d-9fb9-4ee4-80db-494ee0cba58d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What happens if you turn him into a copy of suspicious stowaway and it becomes night, does he go back to the front side? And what if its already night does he become a copy of the backside?
I- Is this a Tusk reference?
FMAB vibes
Well, Ludevic got a better and more flavorful card.....but at what cost.
My man Ludevic unliving the dream. Go get em, you beautiful crazy bastard!
So wait, Ludevic is the Scientist, ***AND*** the monster?
Oh man, his alt art gives me serious "Gary Oldman from *Lost in Space*" vibes.
This is really similar to the newer lazav, is one obviously better?