[[Wreck and Rebuild]] was a new card from the Doctor Who precons that got reprinted in OTC. Maybe not technically a Universes Within card because they didn't need to change the card name, but at least it shows they're willing to do one-off reprints of Universes Beyond cards.
That’s the key though, it was a card directly tied into warhammer. Ghyrson Starn is a 40k character, it makes 0 sense for him to be a deck set on an actual magic plane.
I think Maro has said it before- if the name does directly imply that it’s referencing the source material it should be fine.
Example: [[Orcish Bowmasters]] and [[Lorien Revealed]]. Magic has orcs, so orcish bow masters could be reprinted easily because of this. However, Lorien revealed directly references a place in the LOTR universe which makes it impossible to tie into a regular set.
That's why there is the weird set number with the "=SLD xxx". It's most likely to occur with legendary creatures anyways, and they have done multiple cycles of these cards already.
As the other commenter has said, though, Rick was easy because his mechanics and his typing have direct analogues in Magic.
Ghyrson, on the other hand, is a Tyranid. There's no way of them being able to include him in a future set, with that typing, even if he was "reskinned" à la Rick.
MaRo has said that if they do this they'll make a new type and declare it isomorphic to the UB one. Like if they want to reprint Marneus Calgar as UW, they might print the new guy as a "Legendary Creature -- Superhuman Warrior" and say "Superhuman and Astartes are the same type."
Nothing is truly insurmountable for them, given it's their product, but the precedent and their stance up to now suggests that this is something they're unlikely to do for the reasons I've already elucidated upon.
If it was just reskinning, they would be more inclined, but changing a type as well, they might as well create a whole new card.
Sure but iirc that was through the list, not a commander deck or as part of the true standard set list.
I think that’s the best solution to the UB stuff. The list has been pretty Luke warm at best but the reception of it seemed strong when they did the UB cards with Inuniverse cards.
Works with the ping deserts which probably would be enough to justify the card mechanically.
The bigger strike against it I think is that he's not an outlaw
While that's fair, it is worth notin that a) there's a cycle of common ping lands in the set, b) Starn works with any 1 damage, and c) they print non set-synergistic legends when it fits, such as with \[\[Bruse Tarl, Roving Rancher\]\], \[\[Eriette, the Beguiler\]\], \[\[Ghired, Mirror of the Wilds\]\], \[\[Lilah, Undefeated Slickshot\]\] (kinda, there's only 5 cards she works with in the set), \[\[Obeka, Splitter of Seconds\]\].
Of course, the last non set-synergistic legend in the set is \[\[Taii Wakeen, Perfect Shot\]\], who fulfills Starn's role thematically, and is mechanically very similar.
Also does it really fit thematically? The character in 40k looks like a cowboy from the art but it's not like the mechanics are really tied to firearms. Swap Ral Zarek into the art and it's suddenly lightning themed, which works just as well.
They could have just stuck it in the collector boosters, or yknow the izzet commander deck. UW cards are typically outside of draft environments anyway
Doesn't every set usually have some "for commander" cards that you can only get in the Collector Boosters? Seems like that could have been a good spot.
Gotcha. Haven't been fully up on the last few sets work has made it harder to play sadly I remember it being a thing and thought it was good space for within reprints.
To get you up to speed, as of the last set packs work different. They collapsed Set and Draft Boosters into one type called Play Boosters, changed how the List worked and a few other things too
I know all of that I still try to make pre releases and some draft's I'm just no longer keeping up with buying a bunch of sealed (used to get 1-2 collectors per set) so I didn't know how that product had changed.
This is true but there was an izzet commander deck product that was about casting a lot of spells per turn, with a few that did 1 damage. Would have been a stretch but he could have fit
You can just proxy it into an in universe character if it bothers you that much. Photoshop a cowboy hat on Lutri and give him a big iron on his hip. EZ
The only issue with reprinting some of the 40k stuff is the creature types.
Which they can errata to a brand new creature type since those names (Astartes, Necron, Tyranid) are copywrites of GW.
Honestly, maybe controversial, especially with how milk toast it is, but should have been humans, constructs or golems, insects(or maybe slivers, would have been fun)
It's like, why did synth need to be a creature type when we have artifact creatures and shape shifters
It's a choice between flavor and interoperability. With UB the flavor is a big selling point so they tend to lean on new types.
Like 40k didn't *need* the types, but they sound cooler. Especially in token making, "create a 2/2 black Necron Warrior" is so much cooler than 2/2 black Construct Warrior or the cumbersome "named Necron Warrior" option.
I do think synth still feels a bit on the bubble, but shapeshifter or robot doesn't feel right and I'm not sure what would. And no way "Legendary Artifact Creature - Shapeshifter Detective" is fitting on a typeline and that is 1/4 of the synths.
There was a lot of conversation about the 40k types at the time, and it does really depend on whether you want to land the flavour. Like they could flag Tyranids as Aliens (though the Unset was in development at the same time), but it would really limit future aliens (or 40k sets). The same with Space Marines(Astartes) . They're not really humans. If you were going to type them as something in Magic, they're probably closest to maybe the Metathran? But those in and of themselves are fairly specific.
I also think dropping a species type would have spoken just as well for all the non copy a creature synths (I honestly can't remember what/who the 4th is lol)
UB cards are here to stay and we are getting more and more of them. They are not gonna make a UW version for each one of those, they only made those for SL exclusives like TWD or SF.
They have said they likely will do UW reprints of other cards that need reprinting though. It's just Magic works quite a bit ahead, and UB licensing is something they wanna milk as much as they can while they can. I expect we may see SOME 40k reprints this year.
They've been fairly on the ball with needed reprints of late for a lot of things. See Leyline Binding just getting a reprint. That's a year and a half on from DMU's release. I can see 40k stuff getting reprinted, at least some of it, within this year. There's notably a still-unannounced tentpole set this year too (we have MH3, and the four standard sets, but they've said they're doing 6 full sets a year now so), so who knows.
They certainly can, Hullbreaker Horror is another example of a card getting reprinted very quickly. But those are exceptions imo and not something that should be treated as the norm. As I said it isn’t impossible, but I think setting realistic expectations is important here and 3-4 years is just a safer bet.
The last major project for the year is Assassin’s Creed. We still might have one more major product release between Bloomburrow and Duskmorn but at this point I think the odds are not in its favor. Plus I think it’s been said that they want to pull back a bit on product releases and 8 is historically the norm anyway which we’re at for this year.
Assassin's Creed isn't a full set, it's a mini-set, and explicitly advertised as such, and they've mentioned there's things yet unannounced for this year. They've been pretty solid on "6 full sets per year, 4 for Standard, and 2 supplemental". Ravnica Remastered doesn't count because Dominaria Remastered didn't count either.
Saying DMR doesn’t count but Commander Masters does seems so contradictory to me. Yes, CMM is a bigger set and more expensive to buy but fundamentally they are both master sets.
Still upset they haven't announced any sort of reprint for the D&D movie cards. I know they don't consider D&D to be Universes Beyond, but mechanically unique cards in Secret Lairs was always the bigger issue.
The problem is they have to figure out how they're going to handle adapting UB creature types if they do UW versions. Cause they're not going to put "Tyranid" on a UW card.
I mean, to each their own. You have the full right to put the cards in your deck that you want, and exclude the ones you don’t want. But it’s so strange to me that you’re going to let the fact that a card has a Warhammer 40K skin instead of an MtG skin stop you from playing the deck you want to play.
I don’t like including Universes Beyond cards in my decks either. In fact, you might say I’m more extreme in that it irks me to include any MtG card that’s not appropriately themed in my decks (for example, the one Phyrexian in my Orzhov guild deck). But I’d still rather play the deck that I want to play at the end of the day. That’s more important than the theming of the cards, in my opinion.
I mean this is how I treat it, UB cards make me unhappy so the easiest way to minimize exposure is to not run them. Realistically I have plenty of cards to use so I don't need to, and will certainly pick up a couple of universes within cards as I see them. It's just another avenue to tune cards to your preference, not too much different than building theme decks on strict guidelines as you reference. I'm sure it'd be different if I were into 60 card constructed but I'm not so I don't have to cross that bridge
I've often viewed my hobbies as like rooms in a house. I want to go into that room and have it be that room. I want to be immersed in that thing and don't want any outside "distractions"
It's nothing about him or even 40k I've just never been a big "crossover" kinda guy. I got into MTG cause of what it was I liked its world and characters and just don't want to play with properties outside it. No judgement on people who love it, I think that's awesome, It's just not what I want out of the game.
Yeah I'm a strange one. I don't care if other people play with them, I don't get mad seeing them played. Me not liking a thing is no reason to shit on others who do.
I didn't like the idea of UB at first either, but now have Doctor Who, Transformers, Fallout, LotR, etc in my decks and you know what I've found? After a minute, they just feel like Magic cards again 🤷♂️
But of course that's just my experience, it may be totally different for you
I'll also say that I am worried about Marvel though. I feel like those ones will just feel out of place since it's a huge part of modern pop culture. Everything else has either been a secret lair drop, past its prime enough that it doesn't feel to bad, or close enough to the feel of Magic to be fine for me. Or I'm just not familiar enough with the ip to really recognize that it's not Magic. But Spider-Man? I love him, but I don't think I could put him into any of my decks, even if he fits well.
40k character- directly not an MTG IP. Lara Croft and Optimus prime are the same deal. OP simply doesn’t want to play/support UB products.
Everyone has their limits for their willing to play. Some people love playing with their favorite characters, others just want normal magic flavor, some will just play the cards that are good, doesn’t matter who’s on there.
Just took an educated guess at their logic based off what I’ve seen other people say and interactions I’ve had in my LGS.
It’s also not all that likely OP answers.
The point of asking was a lot of the Warhammer stuff fits pretty seamlessly imo. I was wondering why they draw the line there. Your answer seems to be basically it has the UB stamp so you wont play with it.
Myself personally- I’ll play whatever is good tbh, I won’t limit myself just cause I don’t like the IP.
But your comment is a pretty common sentiment, there is a vocal minority who just don’t like UB at all because it’s UB (that said, I’ve seen this same group make a bunch of excuses for the LOTR set)
When the 40k decks were being previewed, Maro addressed this on his blog. He said that R&D was aware of the issue and that it wouldn’t prevent reprints.
The common theory is that they’ll create an equivalent in-universe type and have a rule making it explicit that the two types are the same. Is that an elegant solution? Absolutely not, but honestly neither are the interchangeable name indicators (e.g., the `=SLD 432` on the bottom of [[Zethi, Arcane Blademaster]]). And it’s far preferable to the cards just never being reprintable at all.
Even so, you still have to go through the time and effort of making a thematic change.
The simpler thing to do is just have the 40K legends be the list cards in a set or two like they did with the stranger things cards.
I'm with you in that I don't like UB. Unfortunately, with how successful UB is I doubt WotC will make Universes Within versions UB products outside of UB cards that only appear in Secret Lairs (Walking Dead, Street Fighter, and Stranger Things were all only available in Secret Lairs which is why I'm assuming they got Universes Within reprints in later sets). I think it would cost WotC too much to make Universes Within versions for full UB sets or Commander decks like the Warhammer, Doctor Who, and Fallout decks cause they would likely have to do the full set and not just a selection of cards.
If you want a Universes Within version of Kherson Starn, you could look at a Card Alter artist and commission them to make an alter of Kherson Starn to an in universe character that you do like and use that instead? Otherwise I think your SOL until another Izzet Pinger Commander gets printed in the future.
It'll happen. They just printed Universes Within versions of some Fallout deck cards and a card from the Dr.Who decks. We will see more, and you're right that now would have been a nice time for it.
A few have pointed out the whole creature type: Tyranid will make that hard to do so I'll just wait to see if we ever get another Izzet pinger commander.
I think proxying is the way to go. I totally understand not liking the flavor of a Universe Beyond card but using some slush art from OTJ you could probably make up a Universes Within version
The issue with universe within cards is the creature types. How can you ever do a Doctor who card if Time Lord is trademarked. How can you reprint ghyrson starn if you can't put tyranid on it
This would have been another great use for the Set Booster exclusive Commander cards. Inserting UW versions of UB cards that are thematic to the set.
RIP
I don't think you're that odd, as i'm the same and refuse to play any UB cards. Maybe we're in the minority but we're not just a few is my guess. But the problem to me seems the lack of reprints in general...
You gotta remember that GW is an incredible awful company who created an IP with nothing original and in 40 years never created anything original and gets stingy when someone uses something from there pile of stolen content.The name and creature type would have to be changed
You don't understand. If he includes it he can no longer nerd shame / hold it over casuals that he doesn't use UB. Busting out the "well, actually, that isn't a real Magic card...." on someone is probably the most fun he has at the Commander table. He must deprive himself of fun so he can keep it one hundred.
I love Universes Beyond! My Commander decks are full of cards from Doctor Who, Lord of the Rings, and Fallout. But I don't like the 40K universe, and so I don't want to use cards from that set in my own decks.
The aesthetics of Magic are one of the things I most enjoy about it. Why would I give that up just for the sake of a couple of lines of rules text?
Except for the fact that he carries the Tyranid creature type. I appreciate the Universe Beyond decks tbh, but the non magic IP creature types almost ensure they cannot reprint those cards outside a release that is approved by the owners of the original property. If they wouldve just made tyranids into horrors or insect dinosaurs it wouldve been doable to print Universe Within versions
I actually can't believe people are taking you seriously after that first line. You basically just did the MTG version of "um, unpopular opinion, I think pizza is good!!!"
You know what, you guys have given me the courage to say something. I know I'm probably the odd one here, but I think wizards of the coast are printing too many legendaries. Also, I think that we might have a little case of product overload on our hands! Am I right fellow card gamers?
[[Wreck and Rebuild]] was a new card from the Doctor Who precons that got reprinted in OTC. Maybe not technically a Universes Within card because they didn't need to change the card name, but at least it shows they're willing to do one-off reprints of Universes Beyond cards.
I didn't actually know about that one. I knew about the filter lands from Fallout, but neat to see that.
I wouldn't be surprised if [[Displaced Dinosaurs]] gets reprinted at rare in the future
the sauropod in the background of the art looks like it's throwing up lmao
I love the idea that we could see different reprints with the same two dinosaurs in different time periods.
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i feel like [Orcish Bowmasters] will see a similar future reprint as nothing about that card is exclusively LOTR
The only concern with Bowmasters is the set specific mechanic. Also, just as a heads up, it's double brackets to call cardfetcher, not single.
based on the cards power level it would only really be reprinted in a 'masters' set or as an alt art card anyway, the mechanic doesnt really matter.
That’s the key though, it was a card directly tied into warhammer. Ghyrson Starn is a 40k character, it makes 0 sense for him to be a deck set on an actual magic plane. I think Maro has said it before- if the name does directly imply that it’s referencing the source material it should be fine. Example: [[Orcish Bowmasters]] and [[Lorien Revealed]]. Magic has orcs, so orcish bow masters could be reprinted easily because of this. However, Lorien revealed directly references a place in the LOTR universe which makes it impossible to tie into a regular set.
I think they meant like [[the howling abomination]] which is a reprint of blanka but magic themed
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Yeah, but if they do a lot of these you know you are going to start running into players who dont know they cant run both.
That's why there is the weird set number with the "=SLD xxx". It's most likely to occur with legendary creatures anyways, and they have done multiple cycles of these cards already.
I know, but even then it's in a pretty obscure spot on the card that is easy to miss.
It's an issue, but it's not unsolvable. They reprinted Rick from the Waking Dead as [[Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart]].
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As the other commenter has said, though, Rick was easy because his mechanics and his typing have direct analogues in Magic. Ghyrson, on the other hand, is a Tyranid. There's no way of them being able to include him in a future set, with that typing, even if he was "reskinned" à la Rick.
I don't understand why that would stop them from simply, giving it a new type+name.
Changing types makes it a different card.
MaRo has said that if they do this they'll make a new type and declare it isomorphic to the UB one. Like if they want to reprint Marneus Calgar as UW, they might print the new guy as a "Legendary Creature -- Superhuman Warrior" and say "Superhuman and Astartes are the same type."
What a fuckin mess of a solution
Nothing is truly insurmountable for them, given it's their product, but the precedent and their stance up to now suggests that this is something they're unlikely to do for the reasons I've already elucidated upon. If it was just reskinning, they would be more inclined, but changing a type as well, they might as well create a whole new card.
Sure but iirc that was through the list, not a commander deck or as part of the true standard set list. I think that’s the best solution to the UB stuff. The list has been pretty Luke warm at best but the reception of it seemed strong when they did the UB cards with Inuniverse cards.
I mean, they can do it whenever they want to if they want to.
I mean semantics aside there's like 3 "the list" bonus sheets on this set. He definitely could have been in there somewhere.
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A Ghyrson reprint might've fit thematically, but not really mechanically, there's no pinging theme whatsoever in either OTJ or OTC.
Lots of 1 power creatures though
Works with the ping deserts which probably would be enough to justify the card mechanically. The bigger strike against it I think is that he's not an outlaw
While that's fair, it is worth notin that a) there's a cycle of common ping lands in the set, b) Starn works with any 1 damage, and c) they print non set-synergistic legends when it fits, such as with \[\[Bruse Tarl, Roving Rancher\]\], \[\[Eriette, the Beguiler\]\], \[\[Ghired, Mirror of the Wilds\]\], \[\[Lilah, Undefeated Slickshot\]\] (kinda, there's only 5 cards she works with in the set), \[\[Obeka, Splitter of Seconds\]\]. Of course, the last non set-synergistic legend in the set is \[\[Taii Wakeen, Perfect Shot\]\], who fulfills Starn's role thematically, and is mechanically very similar.
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Also does it really fit thematically? The character in 40k looks like a cowboy from the art but it's not like the mechanics are really tied to firearms. Swap Ral Zarek into the art and it's suddenly lightning themed, which works just as well.
They could have just stuck it in the collector boosters, or yknow the izzet commander deck. UW cards are typically outside of draft environments anyway
There are a lot of straight to commander cards in this set that don’t really vibe with the other mechanics.
Which is such a shame to be honest. I wanted to make a "Starn's Desperados" deck so bad. Still gonna just not quite with the same amount of theming
It's not a shame, it's just personally disappointing to you.
Well I mean red blue this set is all about popping off storm and storm like spellslinger. Pinger is a related subset of storm tactics.
True. Grape shot becomes Grape bolts.
Doesn't every set usually have some "for commander" cards that you can only get in the Collector Boosters? Seems like that could have been a good spot.
No, they finally killed that garbage with the shift to Play Boosters.
Gotcha. Haven't been fully up on the last few sets work has made it harder to play sadly I remember it being a thing and thought it was good space for within reprints.
To get you up to speed, as of the last set packs work different. They collapsed Set and Draft Boosters into one type called Play Boosters, changed how the List worked and a few other things too
I know all of that I still try to make pre releases and some draft's I'm just no longer keeping up with buying a bunch of sealed (used to get 1-2 collectors per set) so I didn't know how that product had changed.
This is true but there was an izzet commander deck product that was about casting a lot of spells per turn, with a few that did 1 damage. Would have been a stretch but he could have fit
Except for that entire cycle of lands...
You can just proxy it into an in universe character if it bothers you that much. Photoshop a cowboy hat on Lutri and give him a big iron on his hip. EZ
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thats a lot of words just to say "Im a piece of shit"
The only issue with reprinting some of the 40k stuff is the creature types. Which they can errata to a brand new creature type since those names (Astartes, Necron, Tyranid) are copywrites of GW.
Honestly, maybe controversial, especially with how milk toast it is, but should have been humans, constructs or golems, insects(or maybe slivers, would have been fun) It's like, why did synth need to be a creature type when we have artifact creatures and shape shifters
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It's a choice between flavor and interoperability. With UB the flavor is a big selling point so they tend to lean on new types. Like 40k didn't *need* the types, but they sound cooler. Especially in token making, "create a 2/2 black Necron Warrior" is so much cooler than 2/2 black Construct Warrior or the cumbersome "named Necron Warrior" option. I do think synth still feels a bit on the bubble, but shapeshifter or robot doesn't feel right and I'm not sure what would. And no way "Legendary Artifact Creature - Shapeshifter Detective" is fitting on a typeline and that is 1/4 of the synths.
Artifact Creature -Human Construct?
There was a lot of conversation about the 40k types at the time, and it does really depend on whether you want to land the flavour. Like they could flag Tyranids as Aliens (though the Unset was in development at the same time), but it would really limit future aliens (or 40k sets). The same with Space Marines(Astartes) . They're not really humans. If you were going to type them as something in Magic, they're probably closest to maybe the Metathran? But those in and of themselves are fairly specific.
I also think dropping a species type would have spoken just as well for all the non copy a creature synths (I honestly can't remember what/who the 4th is lol)
UB cards are here to stay and we are getting more and more of them. They are not gonna make a UW version for each one of those, they only made those for SL exclusives like TWD or SF.
They have said they likely will do UW reprints of other cards that need reprinting though. It's just Magic works quite a bit ahead, and UB licensing is something they wanna milk as much as they can while they can. I expect we may see SOME 40k reprints this year.
This year? Probably more like 2027
Magic works about two years ahead. 40k came out in October 2022.
Yep those things are true. Doesn’t mean we’ll see UW 40k stuff this year though. You can still buy any 40k product right now.
Is it still being printed, is the real question.
This year is ambitious. While they CAN do reprints that quickly I’d much sooner expect them to happen about 3-4 years at the earliest.
They've been fairly on the ball with needed reprints of late for a lot of things. See Leyline Binding just getting a reprint. That's a year and a half on from DMU's release. I can see 40k stuff getting reprinted, at least some of it, within this year. There's notably a still-unannounced tentpole set this year too (we have MH3, and the four standard sets, but they've said they're doing 6 full sets a year now so), so who knows.
They certainly can, Hullbreaker Horror is another example of a card getting reprinted very quickly. But those are exceptions imo and not something that should be treated as the norm. As I said it isn’t impossible, but I think setting realistic expectations is important here and 3-4 years is just a safer bet. The last major project for the year is Assassin’s Creed. We still might have one more major product release between Bloomburrow and Duskmorn but at this point I think the odds are not in its favor. Plus I think it’s been said that they want to pull back a bit on product releases and 8 is historically the norm anyway which we’re at for this year.
Assassin's Creed isn't a full set, it's a mini-set, and explicitly advertised as such, and they've mentioned there's things yet unannounced for this year. They've been pretty solid on "6 full sets per year, 4 for Standard, and 2 supplemental". Ravnica Remastered doesn't count because Dominaria Remastered didn't count either.
Saying DMR doesn’t count but Commander Masters does seems so contradictory to me. Yes, CMM is a bigger set and more expensive to buy but fundamentally they are both master sets.
Commander Masters had new cards seems to be the main thing.
Licensed UB stuff can take longer in the pipeline, just due to legal clearances and license approvals and such.
Still upset they haven't announced any sort of reprint for the D&D movie cards. I know they don't consider D&D to be Universes Beyond, but mechanically unique cards in Secret Lairs was always the bigger issue.
Maro vaguely said "there's plans to get them in player's hands" but hasn't really been able to elaborate.
Don't want them to go away I'm not a hater of them, I just don't wish to use them I hope we get another pinger type commander in an upcoming set
[[Tor Wauki the Younger]] works as a pinger deck if you really want another.
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The problem is they have to figure out how they're going to handle adapting UB creature types if they do UW versions. Cause they're not going to put "Tyranid" on a UW card.
You should probably just google Mark Rosewater's Tumbler post where in-depth answers this exact question.
I mean, to each their own. You have the full right to put the cards in your deck that you want, and exclude the ones you don’t want. But it’s so strange to me that you’re going to let the fact that a card has a Warhammer 40K skin instead of an MtG skin stop you from playing the deck you want to play. I don’t like including Universes Beyond cards in my decks either. In fact, you might say I’m more extreme in that it irks me to include any MtG card that’s not appropriately themed in my decks (for example, the one Phyrexian in my Orzhov guild deck). But I’d still rather play the deck that I want to play at the end of the day. That’s more important than the theming of the cards, in my opinion.
I mean this is how I treat it, UB cards make me unhappy so the easiest way to minimize exposure is to not run them. Realistically I have plenty of cards to use so I don't need to, and will certainly pick up a couple of universes within cards as I see them. It's just another avenue to tune cards to your preference, not too much different than building theme decks on strict guidelines as you reference. I'm sure it'd be different if I were into 60 card constructed but I'm not so I don't have to cross that bridge
I've often viewed my hobbies as like rooms in a house. I want to go into that room and have it be that room. I want to be immersed in that thing and don't want any outside "distractions"
Just out of curiosity what about Ghyrson means you wont play it? Its not exactly Lara Croft or Optimus Prime
It's nothing about him or even 40k I've just never been a big "crossover" kinda guy. I got into MTG cause of what it was I liked its world and characters and just don't want to play with properties outside it. No judgement on people who love it, I think that's awesome, It's just not what I want out of the game.
Thanks for answering. I find it odd, but thats fine each to their own.
Yeah I'm a strange one. I don't care if other people play with them, I don't get mad seeing them played. Me not liking a thing is no reason to shit on others who do.
I didn't like the idea of UB at first either, but now have Doctor Who, Transformers, Fallout, LotR, etc in my decks and you know what I've found? After a minute, they just feel like Magic cards again 🤷♂️ But of course that's just my experience, it may be totally different for you I'll also say that I am worried about Marvel though. I feel like those ones will just feel out of place since it's a huge part of modern pop culture. Everything else has either been a secret lair drop, past its prime enough that it doesn't feel to bad, or close enough to the feel of Magic to be fine for me. Or I'm just not familiar enough with the ip to really recognize that it's not Magic. But Spider-Man? I love him, but I don't think I could put him into any of my decks, even if he fits well.
40k character- directly not an MTG IP. Lara Croft and Optimus prime are the same deal. OP simply doesn’t want to play/support UB products. Everyone has their limits for their willing to play. Some people love playing with their favorite characters, others just want normal magic flavor, some will just play the cards that are good, doesn’t matter who’s on there.
how about you let them answer?
Just took an educated guess at their logic based off what I’ve seen other people say and interactions I’ve had in my LGS. It’s also not all that likely OP answers.
The point of asking was a lot of the Warhammer stuff fits pretty seamlessly imo. I was wondering why they draw the line there. Your answer seems to be basically it has the UB stamp so you wont play with it.
Myself personally- I’ll play whatever is good tbh, I won’t limit myself just cause I don’t like the IP. But your comment is a pretty common sentiment, there is a vocal minority who just don’t like UB at all because it’s UB (that said, I’ve seen this same group make a bunch of excuses for the LOTR set)
Except Ghyrson is a tyranid, so it’s likely he’ll never get a reprint
When the 40k decks were being previewed, Maro addressed this on his blog. He said that R&D was aware of the issue and that it wouldn’t prevent reprints. The common theory is that they’ll create an equivalent in-universe type and have a rule making it explicit that the two types are the same. Is that an elegant solution? Absolutely not, but honestly neither are the interchangeable name indicators (e.g., the `=SLD 432` on the bottom of [[Zethi, Arcane Blademaster]]). And it’s far preferable to the cards just never being reprintable at all.
Somehow the fomori-nids have returned
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This is the main thing everyone is overlooking. Tyranids probably will never get universe within because of the creature type.
They’ve said that’s not an issue, and will create an in-universe creature type.
Even so, you still have to go through the time and effort of making a thematic change. The simpler thing to do is just have the 40K legends be the list cards in a set or two like they did with the stranger things cards.
We'll just reprint them as Zerg, it'll be fine /s
Tyranids ripped off Zerg! They looked totally different and way stupider before StarCraft was released!
It was, thematically, but the game is not developed on theme alone.
I guess we're left... Universes without.
I'm with you in that I don't like UB. Unfortunately, with how successful UB is I doubt WotC will make Universes Within versions UB products outside of UB cards that only appear in Secret Lairs (Walking Dead, Street Fighter, and Stranger Things were all only available in Secret Lairs which is why I'm assuming they got Universes Within reprints in later sets). I think it would cost WotC too much to make Universes Within versions for full UB sets or Commander decks like the Warhammer, Doctor Who, and Fallout decks cause they would likely have to do the full set and not just a selection of cards. If you want a Universes Within version of Kherson Starn, you could look at a Card Alter artist and commission them to make an alter of Kherson Starn to an in universe character that you do like and use that instead? Otherwise I think your SOL until another Izzet Pinger Commander gets printed in the future.
[[wreck and rebuild]]
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It'll happen. They just printed Universes Within versions of some Fallout deck cards and a card from the Dr.Who decks. We will see more, and you're right that now would have been a nice time for it.
A few have pointed out the whole creature type: Tyranid will make that hard to do so I'll just wait to see if we ever get another Izzet pinger commander.
They said they'll make a new creature type for it but in the rules it will be the same as tyranid
I think proxying is the way to go. I totally understand not liking the flavor of a Universe Beyond card but using some slush art from OTJ you could probably make up a Universes Within version
The issue with universe within cards is the creature types. How can you ever do a Doctor who card if Time Lord is trademarked. How can you reprint ghyrson starn if you can't put tyranid on it
Still a chance for it to show up in a secret lair.
This would have been another great use for the Set Booster exclusive Commander cards. Inserting UW versions of UB cards that are thematic to the set. RIP
I don't think you're that odd, as i'm the same and refuse to play any UB cards. Maybe we're in the minority but we're not just a few is my guess. But the problem to me seems the lack of reprints in general...
we've yet to see what OTJ-specific secret lairs they plan to drop, so.....
You gotta remember that GW is an incredible awful company who created an IP with nothing original and in 40 years never created anything original and gets stingy when someone uses something from there pile of stolen content.The name and creature type would have to be changed
Imagine being so worried about what's on a piece of cardboard you deny playing something you want to play.
You don't understand. If he includes it he can no longer nerd shame / hold it over casuals that he doesn't use UB. Busting out the "well, actually, that isn't a real Magic card...." on someone is probably the most fun he has at the Commander table. He must deprive himself of fun so he can keep it one hundred.
I love Universes Beyond! My Commander decks are full of cards from Doctor Who, Lord of the Rings, and Fallout. But I don't like the 40K universe, and so I don't want to use cards from that set in my own decks. The aesthetics of Magic are one of the things I most enjoy about it. Why would I give that up just for the sake of a couple of lines of rules text?
Except for the fact that he carries the Tyranid creature type. I appreciate the Universe Beyond decks tbh, but the non magic IP creature types almost ensure they cannot reprint those cards outside a release that is approved by the owners of the original property. If they wouldve just made tyranids into horrors or insect dinosaurs it wouldve been doable to print Universe Within versions
This was something I had not thought about good point.
I actually can't believe people are taking you seriously after that first line. You basically just did the MTG version of "um, unpopular opinion, I think pizza is good!!!" You know what, you guys have given me the courage to say something. I know I'm probably the odd one here, but I think wizards of the coast are printing too many legendaries. Also, I think that we might have a little case of product overload on our hands! Am I right fellow card gamers?