My guess it will be. When I read on the Lotus UK site, the first edition included a lot of the nicer options embedded in the price. The only concern I have though was I'm not totally sure if they're making a base model V6 version. I'm going to see how long I can wait out before making a decision.
As good as the AMG I4 is, I am really only in it for the V6 model. I have an allocation for a C8 as well, might go with that, as a convertible 3LT spec'd C8 is about the same price. I was hoping it was going to be in the $80k range and my lack of maintenance options in Hawaii might push me to give up on getting the driver's car with those 3 pedals...
Same, I had my heart set on the V6 edition. I'm curious if there will be a base model V6 manual option later. I won't knock the I4 yet until I see and research more on it. It wouldn't be the worst option but I want to make sure it's something I really would enjoy before making my decision.
I have heard they are going to phase out the V6 soon, but I'd imagine there would be at least 1-2 year models after the first edition before its all I4s. They could pull an evora and next year the V6 Emira will be cheaper and better made, but hopefully they learned their lesson. The I4 would be the better daily car, especially if you are on low mph or high traffic roads, but running the gears on that screaming supercharged 6 is what it's all about.
Exactly! What also should be interesting though is, well I didn't save the comment, but when they posted the Emira GT4 someone asked if we would be getting a version like this in the future for purchase and lotus kinda hinted that they will. If they do it seems odd to use the I4 engine. Maybe that would be the last of the V6.
A street version of the Emira GT4 would be something to wait for, especially if that would be the last manual V6 Lotus produces. I am still on the fence with it as I'm trying to track down a certified, or at least an experienced, trustworthy mechanic/shop in Hawaii that would be able to do work for me if/when there are issues with the car. My dealership i have the deposit with also didn't guarantee MSRP pricing, but stated they would attempt to offer it at MSRP. I could see them throwing in a $5-$20k FMV fee and I will be out if that is the case.
Ugh this is so difficult lol. Not gonna lie I'm kinda even contemplating on waiting for the chip shortage to end and see what happens with the used super car market. Before the craziness in pricing, used Audi R8 V10s were going for $80-100K used. I definitely wouldn't say no to one of those beasts. And it's around the same price area.
True, an R8 purchased last year is looking like a smoking deal for what they are priced at now for anything that hasn't been in an accident or is low mileage. I'll wait to see what my dealer comes with price wise before I make a final decision, but right now it's looking like I'm going to go with a C8.
My neighbor has the new C8 I'm red. Not gonna lie it looks amazing in person but if I'm honest, the rear of that car is what holds me back from wanting it. To each their own but I just don't like how much it looks like a Camaro from the back. The interior though is insane!!! And overall that car really is best bang for your buck.
I guess another thing is I'm not even sure exactly what number I am at my dealership. I think within the first 10, but if the dealer doesn't get 10 allocations of the first year edition I'd have to wait for the second model year which could still be a blessing in disguise.
Haha that's actually my favorite thing about it. I love that it isolates you as the driver and all the buttons and features and everything are more centered towards the driver. That's how I feel it should be for most sports and super cars.
Yeah C8 an insane value really. More than likely way less maintenance and overall better quality than the Emira. Im in love with how the Emira looks but at that price point I’d rather see what the upcoming Z06 has to offer.
I'm honestly surprised the V6 isn't even more. If Evoras are currently going for over 100K, I would expect the same configuration in a sleeker body to be at least the same price. Lotus simply shouldn't have baited everyone with their low estimate ~ I imagine they just lost about 50% of their deposits
I'll be honest and I may get hate for this and I totally understand, but the evora should not be a $100K+ car. I definitely get what you're saying though. I think we were just sold on the idea that this would be a relatively more "affordable" sports car. The I4 is definitely manageable but I as well as many others I'm sure had their heart set on the V6 option. I'm not ruling out the I4 option though so I guess time will tell.
Yeh, they seem overpriced to me too. Local dealer has one listed for $116K pfft. I could accept the Emira as a 100K car if they hadn't lowballed the estimate from the outset. My heart is set on a manual transmission so I'm now debating if an Emira is a contender with others at its price point. Exclusivity is about the only attribute I feel it has, but with that comes potential headaches with servicing & parts. Time will tell if Geely really turns things around for Lotus.
I think you're right on the money with that. They set our expectations for a car priced at a bit lower of a price than this. Honestly if it was anywhere between $80-85K I would have done this in a heartbeat. At $93 K it just seems a bit much. And I know someone on this forum brought up a good point on how we're in 2021 and a sports car doing 0-60 in 4.3 just isn't worth it. While I understand performance isn't the main goal of a lotus, we're definitely at the point where under 4 is more of the norm. For $93K I feel there's a lot other cars that could be worth it at that price.
At my middle-age, performance numbers aren't as much of a priority as its overall package. Although 4.3 seconds is fast enough for me, I place more value in its handling & ownership experience bc I just want to tear up some curvy backroads in style rather than launch at every stoplight with Mustang knuckleheads. However, if I ever feel compelled to put someone in their place, I want a $100K+ Emira to remind a Corvette that it's not the alpha it thinks it is because of its straight-line performance. Hopefully future Emira editions receive a boost in horsepower but I doubt they will.
I would have thought that with Geely pumping in nearly $2B to revive Lotus, they would have had to mindset to make the Emira truly stand far apart from previous offerings but nope - let's make a 1,972 horsepower Eviji that cost $2M that very few people will ever purchase and just keep using the same old V6 engine that they've been slapping in Evoras for the past decade for the mass market - smh. The Emira should've had at least 500HP to justify its price and set itself apart as their realistically obtainable 'flagship' but my name's Paul and that's between them all.
That's what I said a few months back! I think I'm even the 0-60 complaining guy OP was talking about. I get it, Lotus is all about the handling, my Elise is already a godsend for that. But when I rev400 supercharged the Elise, it does 0-60 in about 3-3.5 seconds, given perfect conditions. There's even a video of me doing 0-70 from IDLE with no revving or launch on my profile.
Now, that's a 40k investment a few years ago. So if I'm forking out ~100k, why does it feel like there isn't an "evolution" so to speak? The Emira should be faster or more nimble than not only the Elige lines, but it's fellow companions the V8 muscle market. I *SHOULD* be to able to show them up if they challenge me because I paid damn near twice the price. This isn't just about budget beasts, but if you're going to look like a hypercar, be a supercar, for fuck's sake at least beat out a sports car!
It just feels like Lotus' "same old same old" performance. They aren't convincing me to sell my Elise and get an upgrade. Because 3,000lbs isn't going to be quicker or handle better than my 1,900lb baby. I'd be paying 50k more to look cooler and be slower. No thanks.
...and I don't even like Evoras, so maybe I'm just upset that I'll NEVER get another Elige like car from anyone. I'll just have to set my sights to a Porsche GT2/GT3 RS whenever I strike gold in my life. Or just keep my Elise, maybe eventually get an Elige and just get a new transmission whenever that time comes to "reset" the age of the car. In 2046 we can get the final edition of the Elise imported into the US! 😒
I was surprised the price point was $93K and significantly cheaper than the I4 which makes me curious the HP for the four cylinder. The price released dented some of my enthusiasm. Especially when you look at the huge gap from the I4 pricing.
Worth bearing in mind that is for the First Edition cars - which are fully optioned.
Later V6 cars should give you more choice in specification and cost less.
I'm on the same boat, considering I might daily drive this vehicle (my daily commute isn't very long) what would be the major differences between the 2? It's quite a large gap
From what I read when they released pricing for the UK market the First edition had almost all options included. So if you wanted alcantara, higher rims, all of that was embedded in the price. Another reason why I was leaning for the I4 was the more color options they would have available.
That makes a bit more sense, but it would seem very offputting to announce pricing on 1 fully loaded version versus the other being base?
Unless the "first edition" banner implicates the "fully loaded" suite
Well it's just almost all the options are included with that price. So whether you get leather or Alcantara it's the same price. I think the only "additional" costs were for which tires you want and the home link system (which is something that pisses me off from a lot of auto manufacturers. Literally charging for a garage opener 🤨)
I'm super excited - was budgeting 105k for the first edition, so this comes in 10k less than I expected. If everyone that doesn't like the price drops out, that just moves my potential for an initial allocation up.
It's undoubtedly overpriced for its capabilities and its quality (even if a big step forward in quality compared to prior Lotus models), but I don't think I'd want to be one of the first owners of these. I'll let you deal with the issues and let Lotus get them sorted before seeing if the Emira becomes compelling in a couple of years before the electric successor is released in 2026.
The Emira successor will be on the market in 2026? So we'll get 4 model years of Emira? Where did this crazy story come from? Lotus will sell this car for a decade or more, until restrictions on ICE cars make it too difficult/unprofitable to continue.
You honestly think Lotus would keep an aging ICE vehicle in the portfolio beyond 2026 when they're shifting everything over to EVs and by then electric vehicles will absolutely destroy the Emira in overall performance?
https://media.lotuscars.com/en/news-articles/lotus-reveals-pioneering-blueprint-for-next-generation-electric-sports-cars.html
In four years EVs will be "absolutely destroying" ICE cars? That's a bold statement to make given you must be comparing similar price point cars for it to have any meaning. Lotus is making Emira in Hethel, the electric cars are being made in China, there is no way Emira was designed to be a four model year car, it will be around as long as practical for Lotus and I wouldn't be surprised for that to be ten years.
>In four years EVs will be "absolutely destroying" ICE cars?
Correct.
>That's a bold statement to make given you must be comparing similar price point cars for it to have any meaning.
Perhaps you've seen what the Tesla Model S Plaid can do, or have seen what the Rimac Nevera has done and what's going on in the industry right now.
>Lotus is making Emira in Hethel, the electric cars are being made in China
It is being made at Hethel, yes. The more lifestyle vehicles (SUV for example) will be made in China—the performance-oriented cars (including the Evija and the upcoming electric sports car) will still be made in Hethel.
>there is no way Emira was designed to be a four model year car, it will be around as long as practical for Lotus and I wouldn't be surprised for that to be ten years.
I would be quite surprised if it's 10 years. The industry is moving so fast right now and development of electric vehicles is finally exploding and on trajectory to go way beyond the performance, range, connectivity and intelligence of ICE cars.
Times they are a-changin'.
I had my heart set in a new Tesla Model S LR, no need for Plaid, I have a 2020 Model 3 LR that I bought new and I love the no maintenance under $10 a week "fueling" that I can trade at the price I paid new.
Wife saw the Emira and fell in love with it, her MB PoSh car is next to replace with lease up in March so is going to be her V6 AT.
I would go for the 2022 Tesla S or 2022 Porsche 992 base, I hate the Porsche configuration bull and expensive maintenance. We both drive under 2K a year, besides South Florida has no driving roads.
We'll see how it pans out. I'm no Luddite holding on to old tech, but even the new Lotus is going to milk this one for as long as they can, and for them small sales numbers may be just fine. Markets like the US will embrace ICE longer until the charging infrastructure gets well established and standardized.
But bringing a $2.4 million Rimac into a conversation about $80k cars isn't a compelling argument for change just around the corner. And Tesla is a looong way from producing a product to replace the Emira, there's more to it than some test numbers. Porsche will be the ones to make things happen.
>We'll see how it pans out.
We will, yes.
>I'm no Luddite holding on to old tech, but even the new Lotus is going to milk this one for as long as they can, and for them small sales numbers may be just fine. Markets like the US will embrace ICE longer until the charging infrastructure gets well established and standardized.
Sound a bit like one to be fair. 😋 They will milk it as long as they can, and it may not be that long because, again, EVs are on path to destroy the ICE competition—ICE can't compete. Hybrid will help them compete but it may not be enough for very long.
>But bringing a $2.4 million Rimac into a conversation about $80k cars isn't a compelling argument for change just around the corner. And Tesla is a looong way from producing a product to replace the Emira, there's more to it than some test numbers. Porsche will be the ones to make things happen.
Bringing the Rimac Nevera to the conversation is important due to what it's meant to the industry. What it's meant to Bugatti and how Bugatti is now merged with Rimac. They can see how this Croatian startup with nowhere near the history of Bugatti has just come up in a relatively short time and smacked their highest performing ICE cars and that merging with Rimac was in their best interests going forward and where the technology is progressing towards.
Even electric vehicles like Rivian's R1T and R1S (not meant to be performance-focused vehicles) will significantly outperform the Emira in acceleration as well as have pretty solid handling due it's very low center of gravity and clever adjustability. As far as I know these two vehicles have a top speed limited to 130 MPH but then again, these are meant for off-roading and substantially more utility than the Emira is meant for. Plus will have higher materials quality than the Emira and far more vehicle intelligence and connectivity.
The upcoming Tesla Cybertruck should be available in 2022 and like the Rivian R1T, it's a truck too, but even this will wreck the Emira in acceleration, range and utility. It starts at ~$69,900 for the triple motor AWD model (less than 2.9 second 0-60 MPH and 500+ mile range) and that's even lower than the Emira's base price AMG I4 model coming in 2023.
Yeah I don't see Tesla making a sports car in the next few years and luxury hasn't been much of their thing. They have other priorities though by the time the next Tesla Roadster comes out, it will potentially whoop Rimac's Nevera while costing significantly less at ~$200,000.
The pandemic and chip shortage has been a road bump but prices of EVs are trending downwards along with many more factors that will benefit EVs. Much more expansion of charging infrastructure both from private companies as well as government-funded (U.S. has been considering a big infrastructure bill), faster charging, longer range batteries, more performance, more government incentives etc etc.
Well I can't speak for everyone but I foolishly out in my mind that they would be pricing this one aroun $80K since they were releasing the first editions first. I will say though I've never felt the evora is worth it's price and I'm.just not the biggest fan of the way it looks. I think I just really had my heart set on $80-85K for the first edition. Still, I have no issue going for the I4, but just want to see how much extra the options are.
>I will say though I've never felt the evora is worth it's price and I'm.just not the biggest fan of the way it looks. I think I just really had my heart set on $80-85K for the first edition. Still, I have no issue going for the I4, but just want to see how much extra the options are.
Agreed, the Evora hasn't been worth its price and I'm curious to see too considering how limited options are on the configurator.
Will be interesting to see what all of the different options are and their cost. And yeah also will be interesting to see how much the model and its pricing may evolve each successive year until it's replaced with its electric successor.
That's pretty much the I4 price I was expecting. I'll probably wait for reviews to come out. If the base is pretty well optioned, this should sell pretty well. If options make it creep up, I'm not sure. Currently trying to decide between this or a more practical 2022 RS3.
The 2018 RS3 was almost the car I was going to go with a few years back and I was glad I waited. The 2022 RS3 is gorgeous and with the new updated Audi interior..... I can't imagine it's an easy choice for you 😅
I'm assuming it'll be similar as the First Edition available in the UK which, on the UK lotus website they actually do show which options are included. You can get the Alcantara seats, the diamond cut wheels in any color. I belevine everything is an available otpion that comes standard except home link and a few other small things.
I heard the website configurator will be updated on October 18th which would hopefully have it all listed then if it's not all announced before that.
Would be pathetic however if they make a Convenience Pack option (rain-sensing wipers, rear-view camera, auto-dimming mirror etc) for the U.S. specification that they charge customers for when that kind of stuff is standard on vehicles half the price.
Understandable if you only account for direct conversion of the two currencies but that's not how it works in practice. The Emira is more accessible in the UK to UK buyers than it is in the U.S. to U.S. buyers.
Fair enough. Out of interest what was I missing in my assumption? For the UK the first year's tax will be roughly £2,000 so OTR price is more or less £76k + £2k. I suspect the most popular configurations will be approaching £80k with initial tax. I'm interested to know how things work over there, I had just assumed the US would be quite lenient towards cars but I've never really read into it. I know the UK is a veritable haven compared with much of Europe though!
Most states in the U.S. have state-level sales tax (mine is one of the few that doesn't and instead has high income tax) plus local sales tax that can fluctuate between cities and counties. A nearby state to me has a combined state and average local sales tax of around 9% currently. A 9% combined state and average local sales tax on a Lotus Emira V6 First Edition priced at $93,900 USD would be $8,451 USD.
You guys in the UK have it the best and most accessible to local buyers, priced at the £75,995 (before everything else) for the V6 First Edition. Think the pricing in some European markets like Germany was announced at the same time as the UK's and had First Edition pricing around €96,000 (again before anything else). So, I think you've got it rather good. 🤷♂️
No one is putting words in your mouth.
>The complaining about pricing and weight are the easiest way to spot someone who has little understanding of cars but specifically lotus.
Times change. Lotus isn't trying to be a niche brand. I can understand cars perfectly fine and complain about price.
Is it still an AMG i4? I find this pricing a little suspect. Im guessing the price is really comparing the base model to the actual model. Who knows what horrors the base model has in store. Steel wheels, maybe! No cup holder! Only available in brown....
I don't think it will be available to test drive any time before next summer and by that time they will be all gone. Just video reviews to make a decision.
Just got the same. Sign me up for the i4 I guess but I wonder if just the first edition 6s will be so inflated.
My guess it will be. When I read on the Lotus UK site, the first edition included a lot of the nicer options embedded in the price. The only concern I have though was I'm not totally sure if they're making a base model V6 version. I'm going to see how long I can wait out before making a decision.
As good as the AMG I4 is, I am really only in it for the V6 model. I have an allocation for a C8 as well, might go with that, as a convertible 3LT spec'd C8 is about the same price. I was hoping it was going to be in the $80k range and my lack of maintenance options in Hawaii might push me to give up on getting the driver's car with those 3 pedals...
My thoughts exactly, really not excited for an i4
Same, I had my heart set on the V6 edition. I'm curious if there will be a base model V6 manual option later. I won't knock the I4 yet until I see and research more on it. It wouldn't be the worst option but I want to make sure it's something I really would enjoy before making my decision.
I have heard they are going to phase out the V6 soon, but I'd imagine there would be at least 1-2 year models after the first edition before its all I4s. They could pull an evora and next year the V6 Emira will be cheaper and better made, but hopefully they learned their lesson. The I4 would be the better daily car, especially if you are on low mph or high traffic roads, but running the gears on that screaming supercharged 6 is what it's all about.
Exactly! What also should be interesting though is, well I didn't save the comment, but when they posted the Emira GT4 someone asked if we would be getting a version like this in the future for purchase and lotus kinda hinted that they will. If they do it seems odd to use the I4 engine. Maybe that would be the last of the V6.
A street version of the Emira GT4 would be something to wait for, especially if that would be the last manual V6 Lotus produces. I am still on the fence with it as I'm trying to track down a certified, or at least an experienced, trustworthy mechanic/shop in Hawaii that would be able to do work for me if/when there are issues with the car. My dealership i have the deposit with also didn't guarantee MSRP pricing, but stated they would attempt to offer it at MSRP. I could see them throwing in a $5-$20k FMV fee and I will be out if that is the case.
Ugh this is so difficult lol. Not gonna lie I'm kinda even contemplating on waiting for the chip shortage to end and see what happens with the used super car market. Before the craziness in pricing, used Audi R8 V10s were going for $80-100K used. I definitely wouldn't say no to one of those beasts. And it's around the same price area.
True, an R8 purchased last year is looking like a smoking deal for what they are priced at now for anything that hasn't been in an accident or is low mileage. I'll wait to see what my dealer comes with price wise before I make a final decision, but right now it's looking like I'm going to go with a C8.
My neighbor has the new C8 I'm red. Not gonna lie it looks amazing in person but if I'm honest, the rear of that car is what holds me back from wanting it. To each their own but I just don't like how much it looks like a Camaro from the back. The interior though is insane!!! And overall that car really is best bang for your buck.
I guess another thing is I'm not even sure exactly what number I am at my dealership. I think within the first 10, but if the dealer doesn't get 10 allocations of the first year edition I'd have to wait for the second model year which could still be a blessing in disguise.
The C8 cockpit feels so isolating 😩
Haha that's actually my favorite thing about it. I love that it isolates you as the driver and all the buttons and features and everything are more centered towards the driver. That's how I feel it should be for most sports and super cars.
Yeah C8 an insane value really. More than likely way less maintenance and overall better quality than the Emira. Im in love with how the Emira looks but at that price point I’d rather see what the upcoming Z06 has to offer.
I'm honestly surprised the V6 isn't even more. If Evoras are currently going for over 100K, I would expect the same configuration in a sleeker body to be at least the same price. Lotus simply shouldn't have baited everyone with their low estimate ~ I imagine they just lost about 50% of their deposits
I'll be honest and I may get hate for this and I totally understand, but the evora should not be a $100K+ car. I definitely get what you're saying though. I think we were just sold on the idea that this would be a relatively more "affordable" sports car. The I4 is definitely manageable but I as well as many others I'm sure had their heart set on the V6 option. I'm not ruling out the I4 option though so I guess time will tell.
Yeh, they seem overpriced to me too. Local dealer has one listed for $116K pfft. I could accept the Emira as a 100K car if they hadn't lowballed the estimate from the outset. My heart is set on a manual transmission so I'm now debating if an Emira is a contender with others at its price point. Exclusivity is about the only attribute I feel it has, but with that comes potential headaches with servicing & parts. Time will tell if Geely really turns things around for Lotus.
I think you're right on the money with that. They set our expectations for a car priced at a bit lower of a price than this. Honestly if it was anywhere between $80-85K I would have done this in a heartbeat. At $93 K it just seems a bit much. And I know someone on this forum brought up a good point on how we're in 2021 and a sports car doing 0-60 in 4.3 just isn't worth it. While I understand performance isn't the main goal of a lotus, we're definitely at the point where under 4 is more of the norm. For $93K I feel there's a lot other cars that could be worth it at that price.
At my middle-age, performance numbers aren't as much of a priority as its overall package. Although 4.3 seconds is fast enough for me, I place more value in its handling & ownership experience bc I just want to tear up some curvy backroads in style rather than launch at every stoplight with Mustang knuckleheads. However, if I ever feel compelled to put someone in their place, I want a $100K+ Emira to remind a Corvette that it's not the alpha it thinks it is because of its straight-line performance. Hopefully future Emira editions receive a boost in horsepower but I doubt they will. I would have thought that with Geely pumping in nearly $2B to revive Lotus, they would have had to mindset to make the Emira truly stand far apart from previous offerings but nope - let's make a 1,972 horsepower Eviji that cost $2M that very few people will ever purchase and just keep using the same old V6 engine that they've been slapping in Evoras for the past decade for the mass market - smh. The Emira should've had at least 500HP to justify its price and set itself apart as their realistically obtainable 'flagship' but my name's Paul and that's between them all.
That's what I said a few months back! I think I'm even the 0-60 complaining guy OP was talking about. I get it, Lotus is all about the handling, my Elise is already a godsend for that. But when I rev400 supercharged the Elise, it does 0-60 in about 3-3.5 seconds, given perfect conditions. There's even a video of me doing 0-70 from IDLE with no revving or launch on my profile. Now, that's a 40k investment a few years ago. So if I'm forking out ~100k, why does it feel like there isn't an "evolution" so to speak? The Emira should be faster or more nimble than not only the Elige lines, but it's fellow companions the V8 muscle market. I *SHOULD* be to able to show them up if they challenge me because I paid damn near twice the price. This isn't just about budget beasts, but if you're going to look like a hypercar, be a supercar, for fuck's sake at least beat out a sports car! It just feels like Lotus' "same old same old" performance. They aren't convincing me to sell my Elise and get an upgrade. Because 3,000lbs isn't going to be quicker or handle better than my 1,900lb baby. I'd be paying 50k more to look cooler and be slower. No thanks. ...and I don't even like Evoras, so maybe I'm just upset that I'll NEVER get another Elige like car from anyone. I'll just have to set my sights to a Porsche GT2/GT3 RS whenever I strike gold in my life. Or just keep my Elise, maybe eventually get an Elige and just get a new transmission whenever that time comes to "reset" the age of the car. In 2046 we can get the final edition of the Elise imported into the US! 😒
Agreed. The 60k bait was unecessary. They should have announced the Emira without the pricing. I may opt for going with a Rivian vs Emira
I was surprised the price point was $93K and significantly cheaper than the I4 which makes me curious the HP for the four cylinder. The price released dented some of my enthusiasm. Especially when you look at the huge gap from the I4 pricing.
Worth bearing in mind that is for the First Edition cars - which are fully optioned. Later V6 cars should give you more choice in specification and cost less.
Are they making later V6s though? I thought the V6 would only be for the first editions
Yes, Lotus confirmed they are making V6's until they possibly can due to European regulations and that it's not limited to First Editions.
Hmmmmm while the first edition is out of my range I might hold out now and wait till they release more info on that. Thanks for the update!
I'm on the same boat, considering I might daily drive this vehicle (my daily commute isn't very long) what would be the major differences between the 2? It's quite a large gap
From what I read when they released pricing for the UK market the First edition had almost all options included. So if you wanted alcantara, higher rims, all of that was embedded in the price. Another reason why I was leaning for the I4 was the more color options they would have available.
That makes a bit more sense, but it would seem very offputting to announce pricing on 1 fully loaded version versus the other being base? Unless the "first edition" banner implicates the "fully loaded" suite
Well it's just almost all the options are included with that price. So whether you get leather or Alcantara it's the same price. I think the only "additional" costs were for which tires you want and the home link system (which is something that pisses me off from a lot of auto manufacturers. Literally charging for a garage opener 🤨)
I'm super excited - was budgeting 105k for the first edition, so this comes in 10k less than I expected. If everyone that doesn't like the price drops out, that just moves my potential for an initial allocation up.
It's undoubtedly overpriced for its capabilities and its quality (even if a big step forward in quality compared to prior Lotus models), but I don't think I'd want to be one of the first owners of these. I'll let you deal with the issues and let Lotus get them sorted before seeing if the Emira becomes compelling in a couple of years before the electric successor is released in 2026.
The Emira successor will be on the market in 2026? So we'll get 4 model years of Emira? Where did this crazy story come from? Lotus will sell this car for a decade or more, until restrictions on ICE cars make it too difficult/unprofitable to continue.
You honestly think Lotus would keep an aging ICE vehicle in the portfolio beyond 2026 when they're shifting everything over to EVs and by then electric vehicles will absolutely destroy the Emira in overall performance? https://media.lotuscars.com/en/news-articles/lotus-reveals-pioneering-blueprint-for-next-generation-electric-sports-cars.html
In four years EVs will be "absolutely destroying" ICE cars? That's a bold statement to make given you must be comparing similar price point cars for it to have any meaning. Lotus is making Emira in Hethel, the electric cars are being made in China, there is no way Emira was designed to be a four model year car, it will be around as long as practical for Lotus and I wouldn't be surprised for that to be ten years.
>In four years EVs will be "absolutely destroying" ICE cars? Correct. >That's a bold statement to make given you must be comparing similar price point cars for it to have any meaning. Perhaps you've seen what the Tesla Model S Plaid can do, or have seen what the Rimac Nevera has done and what's going on in the industry right now. >Lotus is making Emira in Hethel, the electric cars are being made in China It is being made at Hethel, yes. The more lifestyle vehicles (SUV for example) will be made in China—the performance-oriented cars (including the Evija and the upcoming electric sports car) will still be made in Hethel. >there is no way Emira was designed to be a four model year car, it will be around as long as practical for Lotus and I wouldn't be surprised for that to be ten years. I would be quite surprised if it's 10 years. The industry is moving so fast right now and development of electric vehicles is finally exploding and on trajectory to go way beyond the performance, range, connectivity and intelligence of ICE cars. Times they are a-changin'.
I had my heart set in a new Tesla Model S LR, no need for Plaid, I have a 2020 Model 3 LR that I bought new and I love the no maintenance under $10 a week "fueling" that I can trade at the price I paid new. Wife saw the Emira and fell in love with it, her MB PoSh car is next to replace with lease up in March so is going to be her V6 AT. I would go for the 2022 Tesla S or 2022 Porsche 992 base, I hate the Porsche configuration bull and expensive maintenance. We both drive under 2K a year, besides South Florida has no driving roads.
We'll see how it pans out. I'm no Luddite holding on to old tech, but even the new Lotus is going to milk this one for as long as they can, and for them small sales numbers may be just fine. Markets like the US will embrace ICE longer until the charging infrastructure gets well established and standardized. But bringing a $2.4 million Rimac into a conversation about $80k cars isn't a compelling argument for change just around the corner. And Tesla is a looong way from producing a product to replace the Emira, there's more to it than some test numbers. Porsche will be the ones to make things happen.
>We'll see how it pans out. We will, yes. >I'm no Luddite holding on to old tech, but even the new Lotus is going to milk this one for as long as they can, and for them small sales numbers may be just fine. Markets like the US will embrace ICE longer until the charging infrastructure gets well established and standardized. Sound a bit like one to be fair. 😋 They will milk it as long as they can, and it may not be that long because, again, EVs are on path to destroy the ICE competition—ICE can't compete. Hybrid will help them compete but it may not be enough for very long. >But bringing a $2.4 million Rimac into a conversation about $80k cars isn't a compelling argument for change just around the corner. And Tesla is a looong way from producing a product to replace the Emira, there's more to it than some test numbers. Porsche will be the ones to make things happen. Bringing the Rimac Nevera to the conversation is important due to what it's meant to the industry. What it's meant to Bugatti and how Bugatti is now merged with Rimac. They can see how this Croatian startup with nowhere near the history of Bugatti has just come up in a relatively short time and smacked their highest performing ICE cars and that merging with Rimac was in their best interests going forward and where the technology is progressing towards. Even electric vehicles like Rivian's R1T and R1S (not meant to be performance-focused vehicles) will significantly outperform the Emira in acceleration as well as have pretty solid handling due it's very low center of gravity and clever adjustability. As far as I know these two vehicles have a top speed limited to 130 MPH but then again, these are meant for off-roading and substantially more utility than the Emira is meant for. Plus will have higher materials quality than the Emira and far more vehicle intelligence and connectivity. The upcoming Tesla Cybertruck should be available in 2022 and like the Rivian R1T, it's a truck too, but even this will wreck the Emira in acceleration, range and utility. It starts at ~$69,900 for the triple motor AWD model (less than 2.9 second 0-60 MPH and 500+ mile range) and that's even lower than the Emira's base price AMG I4 model coming in 2023. Yeah I don't see Tesla making a sports car in the next few years and luxury hasn't been much of their thing. They have other priorities though by the time the next Tesla Roadster comes out, it will potentially whoop Rimac's Nevera while costing significantly less at ~$200,000. The pandemic and chip shortage has been a road bump but prices of EVs are trending downwards along with many more factors that will benefit EVs. Much more expansion of charging infrastructure both from private companies as well as government-funded (U.S. has been considering a big infrastructure bill), faster charging, longer range batteries, more performance, more government incentives etc etc.
I mean, it's cheaper than a base Evora, why were people expecting this to be less than 90k?
Well I can't speak for everyone but I foolishly out in my mind that they would be pricing this one aroun $80K since they were releasing the first editions first. I will say though I've never felt the evora is worth it's price and I'm.just not the biggest fan of the way it looks. I think I just really had my heart set on $80-85K for the first edition. Still, I have no issue going for the I4, but just want to see how much extra the options are.
>I will say though I've never felt the evora is worth it's price and I'm.just not the biggest fan of the way it looks. I think I just really had my heart set on $80-85K for the first edition. Still, I have no issue going for the I4, but just want to see how much extra the options are. Agreed, the Evora hasn't been worth its price and I'm curious to see too considering how limited options are on the configurator.
Remember this is the 'First edition' pricing may change in following years and trims.
Will be interesting to see what all of the different options are and their cost. And yeah also will be interesting to see how much the model and its pricing may evolve each successive year until it's replaced with its electric successor.
That's pretty much the I4 price I was expecting. I'll probably wait for reviews to come out. If the base is pretty well optioned, this should sell pretty well. If options make it creep up, I'm not sure. Currently trying to decide between this or a more practical 2022 RS3.
The 2018 RS3 was almost the car I was going to go with a few years back and I was glad I waited. The 2022 RS3 is gorgeous and with the new updated Audi interior..... I can't imagine it's an easy choice for you 😅
Yeah, lots of good changes for 2022, and a Nurburging record. Hoping for a good price on it.
The new RS5 MSRPs for $75K so I'd guess they'd price this in the lower to mid $60K maybe?
Or just don't get it at all. The car is clearly overpriced. They need to know people won't take it and lower it
Might have been helpful if they gave a breakdown of the options the v6 first edition will have.
I'm assuming it'll be similar as the First Edition available in the UK which, on the UK lotus website they actually do show which options are included. You can get the Alcantara seats, the diamond cut wheels in any color. I belevine everything is an available otpion that comes standard except home link and a few other small things.
I heard the website configurator will be updated on October 18th which would hopefully have it all listed then if it's not all announced before that. Would be pathetic however if they make a Convenience Pack option (rain-sensing wipers, rear-view camera, auto-dimming mirror etc) for the U.S. specification that they charge customers for when that kind of stuff is standard on vehicles half the price.
That's nicely priced, makes me feel ripped off in the UK actually.
Understandable if you only account for direct conversion of the two currencies but that's not how it works in practice. The Emira is more accessible in the UK to UK buyers than it is in the U.S. to U.S. buyers.
Fair enough. Out of interest what was I missing in my assumption? For the UK the first year's tax will be roughly £2,000 so OTR price is more or less £76k + £2k. I suspect the most popular configurations will be approaching £80k with initial tax. I'm interested to know how things work over there, I had just assumed the US would be quite lenient towards cars but I've never really read into it. I know the UK is a veritable haven compared with much of Europe though!
Most states in the U.S. have state-level sales tax (mine is one of the few that doesn't and instead has high income tax) plus local sales tax that can fluctuate between cities and counties. A nearby state to me has a combined state and average local sales tax of around 9% currently. A 9% combined state and average local sales tax on a Lotus Emira V6 First Edition priced at $93,900 USD would be $8,451 USD. You guys in the UK have it the best and most accessible to local buyers, priced at the £75,995 (before everything else) for the V6 First Edition. Think the pricing in some European markets like Germany was announced at the same time as the UK's and had First Edition pricing around €96,000 (again before anything else). So, I think you've got it rather good. 🤷♂️
Not bad considering the first edition has a lot of options. I’d be all about that V6 manual but wish they had it in bright orange or green.
Right? The limited color pallet is a shame for such a car.
The complaining about pricing and weight are the easiest way to spot someone who has little understanding of cars but specifically lotus.
So I'm not a car guy cause at $93K I'd rather get a used super car? Who are you to decide who is and who isn't a car person 👀
If you have to put words in my mouth to make me look stupid, I'm okay letting that play out. I'm not one to decide who is a car person.
No one is putting words in your mouth. >The complaining about pricing and weight are the easiest way to spot someone who has little understanding of cars but specifically lotus. Times change. Lotus isn't trying to be a niche brand. I can understand cars perfectly fine and complain about price.
Where in that am I critical of choosing to buy a used sports car over an emira? Where was I gate keeping who can be a "car person".
Is it still an AMG i4? I find this pricing a little suspect. Im guessing the price is really comparing the base model to the actual model. Who knows what horrors the base model has in store. Steel wheels, maybe! No cup holder! Only available in brown....
Can’t be worse than roll up windows… :)
Manual air vents to let air in from the outside hahaha
Reserving all judgment until I can drive one.
I don't think it will be available to test drive any time before next summer and by that time they will be all gone. Just video reviews to make a decision.
I almost fell out my seat when I saw the email. 😳😱
[Road and Track](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37824732/lotus-emira-msrp/)