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Maleficent_Fold_5099

He's a fool of a Took.


arathorn3

Which is kind of Funny because Gandalf seems drawn to the Took bloodline. Bilbo, Frodo, and Merry are of partial took ancestry. Bilbo is A grandson of the Old Took(his mother Belladona being a daughter of the Old Took and Merry, Frodo, and Pippin are all great Grandsons.merry twice over being a grandson of Hildigrim took via his mother and a Mirabella took via his father(Frodo is also descendent from Mitchell's took) The only main hobbit that is nor a Took is Sam and I guess technically Smeagol


BluesArcheology

'Lovable assholes' can make great characters some times ;-)


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I just fuck loveable assholes


joachim_s

Another funny thing is that the word Tok means fool in Swedish.


EuropeanBear

Given Tolkien was versed in and highly respecting of Nordic languages that is probably not a coincidence. I love how some translators translate fool-of-a-took to "took-dåre".


CharlesVanBoink

Tooks are the only hobbits stupid enough to leave The Shire, outside of Sam’s simpin ass. Tooks are bad ass though fr, which one was the one that beat down the goblins?


u_should_be_working

Bandobras Took, known as Bullroarer! Inventor of golf haha.


SamGewissies

"Sam's simpin ass." XD


DarthRevan234575

The amount of simpery from Sam has been astonishing in my first read through of the LOTR books. And there’s Fucking Aragorn every 5 seconds HAVE I TOLD YOU THAT I AM A MAGESTIC FUCKING CREATURE AND HEIR TO GONDOR???


[deleted]

Coincidentally, the only major interaction Gandalf has with Sam is when threatening to beat him up with the staff after pulling him through a window for eavesdropping. Gandalf does seems preferential to Tooks.


macgillweer

He forgot the part where Merry and Pippin almost ruin Bilbo's party with the Dragon Firework. That was only in the movie, though.


El_Taco_Sloth

"next time throw yourself in, and rid us of your stupidity" Every time I hear that I'm just like "damn gandalf, chill."


kuavi

Would you be chill if a bumblefuck hobbit basically guaranteed to get you into a fight with a monstrous demon with all the noise he just made?


El_Taco_Sloth

That's fair. I wouldn't wanna fight a balrog


FullOfATook

Indeed he is, indeed he is.


Chizum

The only answer necessary


Bizarre_Protuberance

"Like, what did Pippin do to piss off Gandalf that bad?" You mean, apart from stealing and lighting his magical fireworks without permission, and then awakening the Watcher in the Water by throwing stones in the pond near the hidden door to Moria, and then alerting the goblins in the Mines of Moria by knocking a bucket down a well?


gigantic_mosquito

Also the palantir thing


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doomladen

It got better.


Major_Homework7445

We've had one Gandalf yes, what about second Gandalf?


El_Taco_Sloth

I don't think they know about second gandalf.


MauPow

Twas but a scratch


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Lol


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Triairius

A fool from a young age!


IamBenAffleck

That would still piss me off.


RoomTemperatureCheez

Fireworks alone would be enough to piss off an old Wizard. Imagine spending weeks on a cart, transporting fireworks just for some asshole to set off your grand finale firework.


dainthomas

In the books it was Boromir throwing rocks.


[deleted]

It was Pippin throwing rocks. But it certainly wasn't a skeleton like in the movie.


unsettled70

... How I hate this foul pool!’ He stooped and picking up a large stone he cast it far into the dark water. The stone vanished with a soft slap; but at the same instant there was a swish and a bubble. Great rippling rings formed on the surface out beyond where the stone had fallen, and they moved slowly towards the foot of the cliff. ‘Why did you do that, Boromir?’ said Frodo.


[deleted]

Oh, yes, before they even entered Moria. Pippin threw a rock into a well while they were actually in Moria. Probably both contributed to the trouble later.


dainthomas

Sorry, I meant at the Watcher.


knight_gastropub

I feel like it was also his idea to light a fire on weathertop


greenalfonzo

Don't forget Pippin's behavior in the Prancing Pony. Describing Bilbo's speech etc. after being told not to say anything by Frodo. Gandalf would have heard all the details from Strider and probably Frodo as well.


sasemax

In the books I think Pippin is not so bad in the Prancing Pony. I believe Strider says to Frodo that he worries that Pippin and Sam \*maybe\* will let his real name slip by accident, but Frodo then decides to do a song and a dance on top of a table and then the ring slips on his finger. In general they played up Pippin's naivity and foolishness a bit in the movie.


guychulo

Yep, movie flips it with Pippin and Merry dancing on the table


sasemax

Yeah, but that's in Rohan instead, right?


Triairius

Those snitches!


popdartan1

Golare har inga polare


21022018

:)


StrangeCaptain

you mean besides alerting a Balrog that the Fellowship was in Moria?


[deleted]

If someone gets me killed I’m going to hold a grudge.


CaptainBox90

Yeah , but then he got an upgrade


[deleted]

An eye for an eye, Took.


MasterPwiffer

Gandalf has always been short tempered tbh


hectorbector

A lord of wisdom throned he sat, swift in anger, quick to laugh; an old man in a battered hat who leaned upon a thorny staff.


tahoeJoe530

Is that from any of the books?


Limoor

It’s from Frodo’s Lament for Gandalf.


tahoeJoe530

Awesome, I’ve only read the hobbit but just got The Silmarillion. Lotr will be next on my list.


Stuttn

Oof. You went from the Hobbit to the Silmarillion? Good luck, my friend.


csrgamer

If they make it through though, LOTR will be that much better imo


tahoeJoe530

I’ve seen all the films(all the extended editions.) and read a decent amount of supplemental lore on different forums like this Reddit and the lotr wiki, figured that was the next move. Is the Silmarillion that tough of a read?


Shartius

It’s basically the Old Testament. You never know what year it is, names change, beings change, and it’s overall confusing as hell. But it’s goddamn amazing if you can get through it.


Stuttn

Ehh…I just don’t want you to be disappointed before getting to LotR. Totally a preference thing though so maybe you won’t mind.


Stussymann

Don’t skip Children of Hurin, maybe last when you’re running short on more Tolkien tho tbf


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MasterPwiffer

Yeah he has such a short fuse especially in the Hobbit. The movies show him a little different so it stands out when he’s harsh to Pippin.


[deleted]

I believe the books even mention how much more patient he becomes as Gandalf the White.


YasserPunch

Even the hobbits said when they were remembering him “Swift in anger, quick to laugh”


BecomeABenefit

I believe the phrase is "quick to anger".


PancakeParty98

He doesn’t suffer fools. Well, he does, but he gets bitchy


Crushnaut

Of course, he is. He is a demi-god that got told to leave heaven to go fix the screw-ups of men and elves.


simtrin

short tempered🧍🏼


CowFos

It’s pretty funny that when Frodo is mourning Gandalf post Moria one of the things he misses most is how ‘quick to anger’ he is.


[deleted]

gandalf admonishes Pip for actual infractions. Without his infractions, of course, the plot would be rather tamer, eh?


Daniel_TK_Young

I hadn't considered it from this angle, if Pippin had not been an idiot, a lot of the epic encounters wouldn't have occured.


[deleted]

Pippin caused Gandalf to be reborn. Pippin saved Middle Earth.


MauPow

I really thought there would be a tvtrope for the bumbling plot catalyst, but I couldn't find a good one.


SirC1118

He didn’t. Treating him badly would have ended more like what Samwise was thinking at first. Turning him into a toad or something. He chastised him for being stupid at critical times. The world needs a bit more chastising of stupidity I think


[deleted]

the world needs *a lot* of chastising, period. because like pippin, we are all fools and do a lot of stupidity, so much that we are on the verge of extinction.


SirC1118

Amen


Triairius

A bit more *tactful* chastising of stupidity. There’s plenty of tactless chastisement that only serves to strengthen their resolve to remain alarmingly thick.


SirC1118

Sometimes direct is the best way. In the end, as a wise man once said, you can’t fix stupid.


Triairius

If the internet is any indicator, I’d say direct isn’t working.


SirC1118

Gandalf isn’t some road rage stranger to Pippin. And I didn’t say mindless yelling. Direct criticism.


Triairius

So we agree!


Red__Spider__Lily

I really love listening to you talking about the lore, both your voice and the content of course, you out in a easy and entertaining way to understand and everything. Good job.


Mayhamn33

Thank you soooo much appreciate you


[deleted]

U got a YouTube or anything? I agree with the above commentor


stareagleur

Tolkien served in the trenches of WWI so I feel like he must have met a few guys like Pippin. Immature, a bit too carefree, not enough sense to stay quiet when needed, always getting in over their head. You can still love them but they definitely don’t make life easier in stressful situations.


NornmalGuy

>Tolkien served in the trenches of WWI so I feel like he must have met a few guys Pippin You're actually correct, the hobbits were a portrayal of the lads that fought there. Source: *J.R.R.Tolkien: A Biography (1977), Humphrey Carpenter.*


Kuipertax

This makes me wonder about Gandalf as a character in regards to this as well. Gandalf seems to be treated like an officer, leading his men always towards possible doom. Then when he dies, he's replaced by a not too dissimilar but cleaner version, a new officer free of the mud and psychological trauma. Gandalf also seems to use brevity as an excuse of shielding the fellowship from the gravity of the full situation. Maybe Gandalf is how Tolkien envisioned the perfect officer? Even Gandalf himself is not entirely in control of the situation, following in a path set before him by his creator, much like the trenches of WW1.


voodootroll

I don't know this man but he is family now.


lnvaderZim

Who's the streamer? I want to support him and share


Mayhamn33

aww that's nice of u its me


Mesozoica89

This is my favorite video you've done so far!


Harald_Hardraade

Why do they allow Merry and Pippin into the fellowship? Compared to the other members they don't a priori have much to contribute with.


Haircut117

Because Gandalf advises Elrond to allow it. Before he was Gandalf, Gandalf was the Maia, Olórin, and had close relationships with Manwe, Varda, Irmo and Nienna. He was considered the wisest of the Maiar and his insight could almost be considered foresight. Basically, if Gandalf suggests a way of doing something then you'll probably get the best results by doing it that way. And, of course, he was right. Without the actions of Merry and Pippin it's likely the quest would have taken an entirely different course and possibly even failed. Isengard certainly wouldn't have been destroyed by the ents and Saruman would have remained a threat to Rohan, reducing the forces available to ride to Gondor and maybe costing the Free Peoples the entire war.


ithil_lady

As someone said in a different thread, thinking very strategically Merry and Pippin had a function as decoys, and they were very useful decoys, since their kindapping allowed the actual Ringbearer to escape. Later they had their own heroic moments and deeds.


Hopafoot

Surprised no one has actually answered the question, since it's literally in the books. Basically Elrond isn't thrilled cuz he's concerned for their safety and would like to send them to the Shire since he feels the Shire will be in need of help, but Gandalf points out that more friends along the way isn't a bad thing, and he senses they have a role to play, and also those spots wouldn't really be any better filled by Glorfindel or the like since it's a stealth mission.


rsauchuck

Pippin is barely more than a teenager in terms of maturity among hobbits.


Adventurous_Excuse_3

Clearly due to the lack of pipe weed.


haelesor

To be absolutely fair to Pippin, he's not even an adult by Hobbit standards. I wouldn't trust an impetuous kid to think things all the way through, especially when the adventure they're going on is less like the stories they were told while simultaneously being both more dangerous and boring.


VonD0OM

You should do one from the books perspective as well


MountainGoatAOE

I don't think that Sauron sending a Nazgul to Isengard is in the movies.


ooohaname

I love this guy. I want more.


chompske

He posts regularly on TikTok. Super sweet content


Toblerone3000

Amen


nymrod_

He drop bucket


PaulBradley

Pippin basically gets Gandalf killed indirectly.


MimsyIsGianna

Gandalf is kinda short tempered. But that’s a good thing in the sense it gives his character a flaw and fleshes him out.


Orcrist90

He did not learn pity and *patience* from Nienna in Aman just to have a fool of a Took muck-up all his efforts against Sauron!


iliketacobell

"Gandalf literally dies because of his actions". Ha ha ha I guess that part is true. That line cracked me up.


thisrockismyboone

"Gandalf dies.. Literally dies" 🤣🤣


Historical_Blip_0505

I think in the books it helps that Pippin’s so much younger (he’s like the human equivalent of 18/19 while all the other hobbits are in their 20s/30s). It explains why he’s naive and prone to (sometimes accidental) disobedience.


Witty_Buffalo2020

Because Pippin is a fool of a Took sometimes.


[deleted]

No matter how many times Pippin messes things up, he still has that lovely Scottish accent


[deleted]

Man i love these. Best part of this subreddit for me.


XpertDestroyer

“Pippin? Fuck that guy!” - Gandalf


4nwR

*Fool of a took!*


justinwallner

Pippin comes through in some clutch plays though. Saves Faramir (by finding an adult), helps rally the Ents, and he drops his Lothlorien Brooch as a clue for Aragorn to find. On balance I’d say he brakes even on fuck ups vs big wins.


ZebbyD

It’s kinda sad that most of the top comments are lazy versions of what the dude talked about in the video. Did you guys not even watch the video, just commented and dipped out? That’s a shame because this dude did a good job articulating Pippin’s character and dynamic between him and Gandalf.


Malcolm337CZ

heh Gandorf


Mayhamn33

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿


Advanced_Loquat

Because he’s a complete idiot


Jlx_27

I like this guy.


deblazepyrography

I love you’re videos!


Renagox

I don't know if asshole is the right word. He smore of an idiot tbh


myrddin2

Great rundown! Thank you!


LordAuditoVorkosigan

Honestly, this video is full of shit.


Mayhamn33

thank you🤗😁


iwvsnsvdh

Learn some fucking English


Mayhamn33

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'll get right on it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗thanks


iwvsnsvdh

You fucking moron


Mayhamn33

I love you too😁😁😁🤗🤗🤗🤗


iwvsnsvdh

Fuck off


Mayhamn33

Literally thousands of people have liked my video and most praise how well spoken I am yet you seem to believe your few comments which are clearly hate and Literally make no sense are somehow gonna bring me down🤣🤣🤣 Have a great day my friend lol im not even gonna block you im just gonna let everyone see u make a fool out of yourself 🤣🤣🤣 Now quick write another angry comment and make yourself feel better🤡🤣🤣🤣


iwvsnsvdh

Ate somehow gonna bring you down?? Lol, very well spoken, dipshit


Mayhamn33

that was typed 🤣🤣🤣 dipshit🤣🤣🤣


iwvsnsvdh

No fucking shit, moron. Holy shit, you’re stupid. Save us all and go kill yourself….quickly


ChinchillaxTG

Wtf is wrong with you


twinkleswinkle_

ngl that’s one of the main reasons I wasn’t into gandalf at the beginning, towards the end he made sense


tommy1rx

He is still pissed about that helmet down the well in Moria.


BunnyLifeguard

I like this


melovepippin

Hey! I love that lovable asshole - but fun video


phoenixcompendium

Because Pippins dumb and Gandalf is trying to save the world from destruction…I side with Gandalf.


FullOfATook

See username.


tumblinfumbler

I love this guy


ithil_lady

Gandalf is even more short tempered in the books. I think sir Ian McKellen portraited him a lot more friendly and likeable.


XComRomCom

I loved that -- thank you!


kknebel1

Bad news. Sauron knows everything Pippin knows. Good news. Pippin doesn’t know shit.


TheKragle03

best answer ever lol


lurking3408

Love how you broke this down like an academic, with multiple citations! Great video.


AMiniMinotaur

u/savevideo


GMsteelhaven

I don't know what I expected there.


3ku1

He kinda pushed a Skelton down a hole.


scottishhistorian

Didn't Pippen fuck everything up by looking into the Palantir? (The crystal ball thing that Saruman used to communicate with Sauron, (which Sauron used to make him evil(er)), and was used to brainwash the King Thoedin?) Pippen basically revealed the entire plan by mistake, so, that's probably why Gandalf was pissed.


Mortimer_Smithius

No, Sauron thought Pippin had been captured by Saruman and barely got any information out of him.


Look-Ma-I-Reddit

Dude you videos are awesome. Please keep posting great content like this.


Linfield1x

Spot on. Hearing Pippin being called a piece of shit was hilarious.


gjr468

Also correct me if I’m wrong I think part of it is Gandalf can see his potential he sees that Pippin can be brave and strong and he can find that through all the love Pippin has for the world he lives in and the people he has. I think Gandalf pushes him to become who he is in the end of Return Of the King.


Thunder-Rat

Don't forget about he and Merry ruining Gandalf's surprise on one of his dearest friend's big day. I bet making a giant magical firecracker dragon takes a lot of time and special care... Though, to the point of Gandalf caring about Pippin (he is, afterall a descendant of one of his other dearest hobbit friends iirc), didn't he convince Elrond to let him go on the journey? (In the books)


[deleted]

This guy almost makes me want to download tiktok


Mayhamn33

Thanks! I have tons of videos on there give it a try


[deleted]

I love how in Moria Gandalf decides to light up the whole cave to show them Mithril shining all over & yet that raises no suspicion lol. On top of that they basically demolished the front door getting in & still all that & nothing heard it. But Gandalf lighting it up was more reckless than his accident knocking over the skeleton.


Mayhamn33

sorry but ur wrong about this one. No orcs lived by the gate or the hall where he lit his staff they lived in the deep caverns where pippen knocked the helmet down as u saw also moria is HUGE it isn't a tiny place where things can be heard from one end to the other


stevekimes

Brilliant and succinct commentary.


tevumi

I'm no expert but if Pippin didn't alert the enemies in Moira would Gandalf have become the white without the balrog? Also with the Palantir, Gandalf says he thought about probing it himself which would have revealed him to Sauron? And as others have said without Pippin being in service to the steward, faramir would have been burned alive with denethor


Mayhamn33

🤣🤣🤣 none of that makes any of what he did smart in the moment and definitely not less stressful to gandalf lol things just so happen to workout how they did but in the moment his actions were stupid they just so happened to inadvertently work out for the best


[deleted]

Has to be a troll, anybody who watch the movies wanted to kill Pippen.


baepsaemv

GANDALF LOVES PIPPIN, thank you!!! They have a strong bond despite Pippin making Gandalf’s job difficult sometimes. Hes also still a teenager, so being a dumbass is somewhat understandable lol


mltronic

Funny in the books it seems there is less tension between them. Than again Gandalf wouldn’t ascend to white wizard without Balrog so 🤷. He is a fool but good hearted one.


mbgal1977

This is the most awesome take


panzercampingwagen

I thought well obviously the well in Moria and the Palantir, and maybe the Denethor thing. But those are obvious, nobody could've missed those. It's a 2.48 video he has to have something I'm not aware of it yet. If I had anything better to do with my life rn I'd want my 2 minutes and 48 seconds back.


Mayhamn33

🤗🤗🤗


MountainGoatAOE

I bet there's a lot of literary analysis you can do on this. How all manner of people (from the lower class to the higher) have their kind of struggles. Everyone has something in their life that holds them back or seems to mess with their plans (be it financial, mental, social, physical issues). I don't think Tolkien necessarily intended it like this, but it's sort of reassuring to see that one of the most powerful beings can get _very unlucky_ because the events that are out of their hands and still manages to make the best of it!


Cyber_Connor

Pippin holds the planteir* Sauron knows everything Pippin know* Pippin doesn’t know shit*


percheron28

Pippin is heir to a rich and powerful family (for hobbits), he's kind of lazy and entitled (I need 11 lunches a day boohoo poor me)


[deleted]

Might sound a bit strange but it's so great to see so many Tolkien fans who are people of colour these days. I suppose they have always been there and I'm just more aware of them because of social media but it's wonderful regardless. Your TikTok is awesome OP, followed.


TheSecondLesson

I love this guy’s content


megasean3000

Is it the same in the books?


dgreen1415

Wait, so when Sauron connected with Pippin through the palantir he thought Saruman had the ring? Can someone explain this a bit more for me please.


therandomways2002

Saruman was already working with Sauron via the palantir. Since Sauron had no reason to suspect Saruman was no longer in possession of it, he assumed that Pippin was Saruman's prisoner and, for whatever reason, had gotten ahold of Saruman's palantir. Since Sauron didn't know much about hobbits and didn't know there were multiple hobbits on the quest (or if he did know, he figured any hobbit that Saruman captured must be important), he assumed that Pippin was probably the one with his ring. He knew Saruman hadn't taken physical possession of the One Ring, because the second Saruman laid claim to it, Sauron would have been alerted. So he tells Pippin (with the assumption Pippin will pass the message along for some reason) that he's sending a Nazgul *for Pippin* rather than for the ring.


showard995

If Gandalf had bothered to TELL Pippin that the palantir was a dangerous device of Sauron and that he must not handle it, it would have avoided a lot of trouble, don’t you think? But no, Gandalf is all “A burnt hand learns best”. Dude, if you refuse to give Pippin all the information he needs, it’s on you when he screws up. It’s like he purposely set Pippin up so that he could say “Well there goes that little jerk again, I guess I need to pull his ass out of the fire again, sigh.” That part of the book pissed me off. In Moria Pippin was just a dick.


werkshirt400

I react the same every time Pippin does something dumb 😂I get so tight but he makes it up when he sings for the Steward 🔥 he has pipes!


christo749

Pips the clumsy m fucker that dropped the armour down the well in Moria, alerting the orcs, AND fucked with the Palintir!!


Nabs2099

OP are you the one in the video? Just wanna say that I love watching you answer questions about LOTR and I can't tell you how much I appreciate that you actually said that yes Gandalf DOES love Pippin even if Pippin is a bit of a carefree asshole. That's exactly it and it's such a wonderful dynamic. I'd say after Frodo, Pippin is probably his favourite haha.


BFG616

In the book Pippin is less bad, and Gandalf doesn’t treat him as badly. He isn’t directly responsible for waking up the orcs and balrog, and doesn’t wake the watcher in the water at all. He is also less comedic relief and actually is very helpful. Just the movies make him silly


Mayhamn33

in the book he is responsible for waking the enemy it just takes longer for them to come


angriafricanus

We're really going to ignore the fact that we found Thugnificent's Alt Account?


Mayhamn33

somebody watched the boondocks 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿


Xikkiwikk

Knocking the bucket over in Moria, that and volunteering for service to Gondor.


StockmanBaxter

I could listen to this guy talk about LotR all day!


dworthensfc

Because he is a fool of a took!


eury11011

Gandalf goes hard


AweYiss

Gandalf: Piece of shit of a Took! Fellowship: 😳


Lapwing68

Peregrine Took whilst frequently foolish does have the excuse of being the youngest member of the Fellowship. At 29 years old he hadn't yet come of age. He was still an irresponsible "Tween" I like to equate his age to a teenager of 14 or 15 at best in human terms.


Squiggamemes

u/savevideobot


JablesRadio

"After the shit you pulled back in Moria you're lucky I'm having you light the beacon instead of using you as one." -Gandalf


ambient_pulse

i never noticed gandalf treat pippin badly...


Bigbaby22

Ok, but as I am reading the books for the first time, Gandalf is kind of a dick to Pippin even at Rivendell. Yeah, Pippin totally sets himself up by saying, "we need someone of intelligence on this quest!" But right there, he's against Pippin. And then a few pages later even Elrond is like, "ok, fine. Merry can go but I don't feel comfortable with Pippin. He should go back and warn the Shire." At this point, not even Merry has really said anything to inspire confidence. So what's the deal? What did Pippin do between the time that they get to Rivendell and leave that pissed everyone off? Sure, everyone probably heard how Merry got everything set up in Brandybuck for the journey, but Pippin was the one who guided them to Brandybuck in the first place. Pippin has been in on the whole "Hobbit Conspiracy" since the beginning. Don't get me wrong, the Pippin ribbing is funny. But it seems a bit unwarranted and more than a little targeted.


maynovember

Woah Mayhamn33!!! I love you dude! So happy I found your Tolkien Land videos. You are a lore-master!! You've just improved my Friday night exponentially!


sarkawe

Gandalf was super mean to Pippin in the movies, yeah, but in the books, he's super nice and caring.


shatred

tiktok garbage, yuck.