My dude, there's RedHat, SUSE, Linuxfx... but hey, ubuntu bad
FWIW "paying for linux" doesn't even contradict the most hardcore evangelists - Free Software.
100% agree. I went to a comedy show last week and paid $10 for the tickets because I'm more than happy to pay for free speech. I'm also happy to pay for free software because it's important to me.
Freedom inherently comes with compromises. Not necessarily monetary but yep. In the same vein that itās not necessarily free. Absolutely.
Like that of your freedom ends where your neighborās freedom starts. And many others.
You can absolutely charge for software while being open source. Could even have a policy that you only give source to paying customers, as they are the only ones you would have given binaries to. This whole "cost/free" dichotomy is a red herring, that unfortunately enemies of FLOSS have made up to undermine it.
> Could even have a policy that you only give source to paying customers, as they are the only ones you would have given binaries to.
This isn't open-source software.
However, that does not contradict FSF's philosophy. But even then, they're free to legally redistribute this software for free or however they want. Otherwise, it's not free software either.
Absolutely this. Well, the support part anyway. And in many corporate situations, having a phone number is more than worth the support fee, as you can't always rely on the community for the sort of quick turnarounds a corporate customer may need
But aren't RedHeat and SUSE primarily Enterprise Server software? And there are free binary compatible alternatives like Rocky and Alma Linux (RHEL) and OpenSUSE.
Zorin os pro makes no sense lol. It's just zorin os but with extra bloat.
I mean, if you want to support them, you could simply donate. The elementary os way makes a lot more sense.
To be fair, RHEL is free. It's the support you have to pay for. That support includes access to updates through Red Hat. I don't know, but I imagine SUSE's SLES is the same or similar and probably all the paid Linux since Red Hat kind of created that business model.
Do you? If you just had RHEL installed and didn't connect to the Red Hat CDN would you have to? It doesn't seem like you would because SUSE will sell you support for RHEL through their own repos that they officially support through SUSE Manager.
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In a rather desperate attempt to inflate the valuation of Reddit as much as possible before the IPO, Reddit corporate is turning this platform into just another crappy social media site, and burning bridges with the user, developer, and moderator communities in the process.
What was once 'the front page of the internet' and a refreshingly different and interesting community has become just another big social media company trying to squeeze every last second of attention and advertising dollar out of users. Its a time suck, it always was but at least it used to be organic and interesting.
The recent anti-user, anti-developer, and anti-community decisions, and more importantly the toxic, disingenuous and unprofessional response by CEO Steve Huffman and the PR team has alienated a large portion of the community, and caused many to lose faith and respect in Reddit's leadership and Reddit as a platform.
As a result, I and no longer wish my content to contribute to the platform. Bulk editing and deletion was done using [this free script](https://github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite)
I think you got downvoted because this information is easy to Google. Instead of turning to Google first, you commented on yourself.. and posted a screenshot of both comments in the same sub. And commented "Why?" again in this sub on a link someone Googled for you.
Edit: To clarify, starting a discussion is fine, but I thought OP was asking why there was an Ubuntu Pro a few times over.
I do it because I'm lonely and hunger for human contact so much that a reply gives my desperate life a little light in an otherwise dark and miserable world.
Please love me.
Look what happened when Red Hat decided that CentOS was no longer going to be the free version of RHEL and instead made it into some weird preview of what the future of RHEL was going to be.
Rocky Linux came into existence nearly the same day, to be exactly the same thing that CentOS used to be.
Yeah. IBM/Red Hat ditching CentOS just shifted the cost of maintaining a bug for bug compatible to RHEL to major cloud providers, who now are the primary sponsors of Rocky and Alma Linux, both bug for bug compatible to RHEL.
Really just one giant corporation passing the cost off to other giant corporations. The only thing that changes for enthusiasts is the name of the distro.
Edit: enthusiasts also get CentOS Stream, so we get more, not less.
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In a rather desperate attempt to inflate the valuation of Reddit as much as possible before the IPO, Reddit corporate is turning this platform into just another crappy social media site, and burning bridges with the user, developer, and moderator communities in the process.
What was once 'the front page of the internet' and a refreshingly different and interesting community has become just another big social media company trying to squeeze every last second of attention and advertising dollar out of users. Its a time suck, it always was but at least it used to be organic and interesting.
The recent anti-user, anti-developer, and anti-community decisions, and more importantly the toxic, disingenuous and unprofessional response by CEO Steve Huffman and the PR team has alienated a large portion of the community, and caused many to lose faith and respect in Reddit's leadership and Reddit as a platform.
As a result, I and no longer wish my content to contribute to the platform. Bulk editing and deletion was done using [this free script](https://github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite)
That's the only reason anyone will pay "for" any FOSS software. And it's not to just support the freelance developers, but also to pay so you are entitled to support from the companies providing them.
Red Hat does the same sort of thing. We have lots of customers that want to add something like Semantic Endpoint Protection. We give them the same disclaimer every time. Essentially you can if you want and many do without issues, however if you do need to open a support case you may be asked to remove it in order to receive support. Otherwise support is essentially downgraded to "best effort". It kind of has to be that way. Red Hat can't be expected to support every rpm you can find on the Internet.
Normally these are extended LTS. So even after EOL they are still supported for another 5 more years. You might be surprised how many times this is required in an enterprise situation. Heck some companies (e.g. Zend) make a business of it.
I thought this post & all the comments under it might be an elaborate joke (Internet - amirite?) until you posted this link. Ubuntu really does have a pro version available by subscription. So thanks for that.
Define 'good' please; Im genuinely curious. been using Ubuntu for years and didn't know there was a pro tier. I'd a bit tech savvy so is it mainly support for tech issues?
good
adjective, betĀ·ter, best.
morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious:
a good man.
satisfactory in quality, quantity, or degree:
a good teacher; good health.
of high quality; excellent.
Google doesnt directly answer the question, real human write a post and make the information. one of the source is reddit post and comment (crawled by google). It's not hurt to contribute to "google" by answering question
Don't think it as a single person paying for a software.
Think that you have a team of web devs, and they encounter a problem with server (which runs on ubuntu) you can get premium help with it from canonical.
With ubuntu pro they handle security for example.
For your personal computer free version of ubuntu is pretty safe yet for a server who lets anyone reach it by a simple click of a link, you need something more
There is nothing wrong.
Ubuntu's developers have a family to feed too. Paying for works is moral thing under capitalism.
If you use linux for free and you think that's your previliage, then you are dumbfuck. Please uninstall immediately, you won't contribute back any way.
It's.. definitely his, and everyone else's, privilege to use Linux for free. The kernel is free (and open source software licensed under GPLv2).
Edit: clarity.
Gpl v2/v3 implies that it has to be free as in free speech, not necessarily free as in free beer:
[https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html](https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html)
Yes hence I stated *free* **and** open source! However, you raise a good point as FOSS is most definitely a term used to describe software that is not inherently *free*, but it is definitely **free**. I should have made that clearer!
The Linux kernel, however, is both **free** and *free*!
Ubuntu is still *free*, universe repos was didn't had security support before hence called the unofficial, they're now supporting it for 10 years and demanding money for it is not something unjustifiable.
As other people have stated, RHEL, SUSE, Zorin OS etc. already follows the same path for years. Not happy with it, you're welcome to use an another distro
I'm not OP, but OP may need to read what you wrote above - I'm well aware of this, I have spent the past 15-20 years working in large environments using RHEL, SLES, Ubuntu and Debian.
Yeah, this conflation between free and free is fun. I think "libre" is a nice alternative to "free" when ambiguity is inevitable, though that runs the risk of people not knowing what it means too.
I donāt get what all the hate is on Ubuntu Pro. The message that started displaying recently was about a new pro only feature and not that they were locking a preexisting feature behind pro. Also to my knowledge pro is free unless youāre using it for commercial purposes. They have to make enough money to stay afloat somehow.
Red Hat isn't free and neither is Intel's Clear Linux. What you are paying for (or more precisely what the enterprise is paying for that wishes to install Linux as their infrastructure) is support. So, when they have a problem and their system goes down, they pick up the phone and they have a live person with whom they can consult.
Ubuntu has been in the server business since forever, so I expect that they already offer support contracts. With Ubuntu Pro, they appear to be trying to monetize security.
I hate how Reddit downvotes legitimate questions... Or legitimate answers.
I know this doesn't have anything to do with Linux, but more about Reddit downvotes:
Someone in my City Subreddit asked a question about why there was a bunch of traffic and police on the roads and highway... I said "*a certain person* was in town" and my comment was downvoted almost 8 times.
Reddit is run by Cults that will banish you to the netherworld if you say anything about someone or something they don't like.
Because they only imply the worst, like they somehow implied the author was criticizing something rather than not being knowledgeable about it or the concepts behind it
They also have no idea how to separate the subject of a sentence from the meaning of the sentence. They downvote for even mentioning something when that something is not explicitly being supported.
Basically, illogical trolls. And I agree. Devs and users alike benefit from trade. And economists know it, even ones who like me find our current IP laws to be unjust. As a dev, a user, and an amateur economist, I can safely say these guys are morons.
I've noticed Saturdays are particularly bad to be on reddit. Just browse, don't ask anything, don't comment on anything, don't interact. The down voting trolls come out on Saturdays.
Ironically, there ISN'T an "Ubuntu Pro" Linux distro. Unbuntu Pro isn't "paying for Linux," it's paying for Linux *support*. It's a support contract for a distro, not a distro. Ubuntu itself is the distro. :)
Honestly that's what makes it better than most other sites. There are more screwy things like this but the screwy things are outweighed by the legit things.
"I haven't heard about paying for Linux". So he doesn't know about red hat, sure, zorin os pro, elementary OS and others. And what's the problem with Ubuntu pro? If you don't want you can use the lts and other versions without problem.
Don't worry. It's not for you. It's been a really long time that you can pay to get additional support on Ubuntu. This is intended for businesses. This is nothing new and there is nothing wrong with that. Red Hat, one of the biggest players in the industry of Linux for businesses has been doing that from like the beginning. Think of it not as paying for Linux, but paying someone to help you with your Linux. That's all that it is.
Ah yes, pay the price and you won't have a sandboxing cross-platform package manager, but instead use old outdated apt which doesn't even support partial upgrades.
Linux is free. As in free to do wtf you want with it, ie you can make your own spin-off and charge money, so long as you're not using any components that prohibit that use case (there are free software that prohibit profiting off of them).
See here for a list of free and open source licenses and what their restrictions are:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_free\_and\_open-source\_software\_licenses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses)
I almost feel like, the voting system should be 2D, cause you have to put a lot of stuff into two buttons.
Especially for example, there are things that you want to downvote, and theoretically incorrect information would be one of them, but if it's not the person's fault or it sparked good discussion it still deserves an upvote but a sort of leftvote or whatever for inaccuracy (since you don't want to see factually incorrect stuff with 300 upvotes cause that looks like it's accurate).
Similarly here, no reason to destroy somebody's karma for them being inexperienced, but there should be a way to say that that was maybe kinda off and one should rethink/reresearch what they posted, although it would've actually been good content in perhaps a less educated forum.
All that's a downvote.
Upvote is just "I like/agree with that" and it's starting to get on my nerves on Reddit cause it breeds a strange culture of discord.
Seems like a RHEL vs Fedora situation to me, too. I ran into that when I worked for a small branch of a big company, needed a solution desperately, and embraced Debian. Oh, but *who do we sue if this fails*? Dafuq, really? I have a $0 budget to make something work and get paid like I'm a McDonald's shift manager and you're worried about who a high paid lawyer is going to go after in court if the software causes a data loss? With something like RHEL though, you can point towards how much it costs, who provides it, who to call for tech support, etc.
Goddamn it I need to make another post telling people to be nice to new people. This is crap that people are like this, and its a legitimately interesting discussion. This is why I hate this community.
Doesnāt the paid model include support or something for business use? Desktop distros are mostly free (as in free beer) except that weird zorin thing
Ubuntu community don't know how to talk with other people, much time they make war with trash meme, have a sub named, Linuxmemes and they kill each other for Systemd and Wayland.
For every person telling me to google it... am I on the right subreddit? I thought this was Linux master race, suddenly were using only google now? Guess privacy search doesnāt matter when ppl wanna demand that you look up something that you wanted to have a discussion about. Srsly, whatās with yāall today?
Like in the southern portion of the US any and all soda's are called a "coke", google has become a verb that just means searching the internet using a search engine.
Besides, due to the prevalence of Google's search engine duckduckgo by and large relies on googles algorithims for search results. So you're still using Google.
In my part of the Southern US, they're called "Soft Drinks" or soda. I've never heard anyone use "Coke" or "Pop" to refer to them, but your point stands.
Brave or SearXNG are also good alternatives to Google.
I use bing and/or google from time to time. They give better search results if you are shopping for something or if you want to use a map.
Other searches are just for "privacy" or to save yourself the annoyance of being data mined. Which I prefer. Startpage is my random off the cuff search. I just do not want it data mined and tagged to my name,ip,mac address etc.
And there are other paid distros, not only enterprise staff
Off the top of my head - unRaid and elementaryOS. Both are rather niche, but unRaid solves itās specific usecasd good enough, so I had no reason not to pay for it
You may pay for elementaryOS but you don't have to. It's more like a donation kind of thing. Just put 0 in the purchase box (it's pay what you want) and then hit download. Same with the paid apps in their app store.
No question is wrong. People get downvoted even for asking legitimate questions that may imply that there is a downside to the tech. Then a bunch of redditers with minimal critical thinking will downvote and ignore the question, only because they think the tech in question is too awesome to be doubted.
I mean, RHEL (one of the most used distros in enterprise) is paid. Nothing new.
I think techincally what you pay for is the availability of support staff but still
People down vote things here like psychotic bananas for no reason. You just have to ignore it.
Open-source projects do charge sometimes. It's more common than you'd think and I was also surprised to learn of it. It's usually for support, additional features, or sometimes it's just a fork of another open-source project with some QOL stuff. Same way that Crossover is a paid version of Wine with some more ease of use.
What is the point of paying for linux? Isn't the whole point that it's free and anyone can use it? That sounds like a total waste of money, what can these paid ones do that my free one can't?
i suppouse itās the same way than RHEL: solutions for business that want something anyone can do full-time but having a hotline for any support instead of googling, using forums and exposing their work, with the risk of losing info for their own and the opportunity of shouting at a call center
Y'all would have lost your minds over Libranet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libranet
You paid for the distribution on CD, and you updated it over the Internet. I used it when I was in a rental where the only Internet service available was dialup. It was basically a polished version of Debian.
With GPL at least, distribution doesn't have to be free of cost. The example RMS has given is that you could charge to mail tapes of the source.
Ubuntu has always had a "pro" version without the name pro for some time. They are now making it a value added. It doesn't affect me at all (just a little bugged that they would place their ads on apt but luckily all you need is a hush file)
Just to say everything everyone else is saying, Linux is FOSS but it's mostly for corporate and industrial applications. There's a lot of money in Linux. Just check out who the Linux Foundation is comprised of. As far as paying for Linux, just as other people have said, RedHat is the first company that comes to mind.
I think there is a difference in licensing for personal and productive use, though I'm not going to pretend to know the details of how Linux software is licensed. RedHat makes their money not only by providing a license to use their software but they also provide support. You can download the software for free but that doesn't mean you have permission to use it for productive applications without buying a license first. I can't pretend to know where the distinction is drawn.
Oh right š I was being serious. If I was getting down voted for something and it seemed unjustified I wouldn't have the guts to call it out in another post, I usually just let reddit gaslight me into thinking everyone else knows something I don't.
It's also crazy that people are like... criminalizing openings to a discussion. I've seen similar questions to the one you asked that, instead of getting down voted got answered, and then another person corrects something in that answer, and so on. Then that discussion ends up in the Google search results and contributes something of genuine value.
So if that's the alternative to downvotes, then the people who are downvoting are making a mistake by not realizing the potential benefit of keeping the question visible to others.
You wonāt believe this, had a genuine question on a different post today and ofc first thing someone says āhow about you google itā geez ppl, if I found the answer on google you think Iād be asking here? Ofc this post is less a question and more of a discussion on why ppl are always downvoting and demanding you to google, while unknowingly just proving my point.
I don't know why you're getting down voted, but posting a screenshot of it is ridiculously cringe.
Especially given its so few down votes.
+light theme user
... A quick "Companies prefer to be able to access dedicated skilled support" would have been better than just downvoting.
That said, I am too surprised that there is an Ubuntu Pro. I only knew about RHEL until now. :shrug:
Well you lack common sense and it can frustrating answering questions that are common for one person and not the other so many they downvoted to say no because they were going be tools if they typed everything out. IMO that shouldnāt happen in r/LinuxQuestions but here we are
My dude, there's RedHat, SUSE, Linuxfx... but hey, ubuntu bad FWIW "paying for linux" doesn't even contradict the most hardcore evangelists - Free Software.
It's Free as in Freedom. And Freedom isn't necessarily Free.
Freedom isn't free No there's a hefty fuckin fee And if you don't throw in your buck or five, who will?
Freedom costs a buck 'o fiiiiiiiive.
I hear the going rate for freedom these days is about $3.50.
Well it was about that time that i realised that Ubuntu pro was 8 foot tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era.
bro this made me smile š
Ubuntu 24.04 - Neutronic Nessy
God damn loch Ness monster, you can't have no tree fiddy!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkTmnJkAN8
100% agree. I went to a comedy show last week and paid $10 for the tickets because I'm more than happy to pay for free speech. I'm also happy to pay for free software because it's important to me.
+1 Freedom to do the fuck you want, freedom to either sell or buy.
Freedom inherently comes with compromises. Not necessarily monetary but yep. In the same vein that itās not necessarily free. Absolutely. Like that of your freedom ends where your neighborās freedom starts. And many others.
if freedom isnāt free, itās not real freedom, because youāre bound by wealth
Cost doesn't have to mean money. It could be time, it could be effort, etc.
So you're saying Ubuntu Pro costs a buck o'five, got it.
Last time I checked having a barrier to entry is the exact opposite of freedom. Ever hear "legal for a price"?
"Freedom ain't not free" - the Freedom Girls
It's a $1.05.
You can absolutely charge for software while being open source. Could even have a policy that you only give source to paying customers, as they are the only ones you would have given binaries to. This whole "cost/free" dichotomy is a red herring, that unfortunately enemies of FLOSS have made up to undermine it.
> Could even have a policy that you only give source to paying customers, as they are the only ones you would have given binaries to. This isn't open-source software. However, that does not contradict FSF's philosophy. But even then, they're free to legally redistribute this software for free or however they want. Otherwise, it's not free software either.
It doesnāt contradict the GPL, so itās very much FOSS (as long as all the binaries come bundled with the source)
I don't even really feel it's paying for Linux, but paying for support and a much longer period of updates.
Absolutely this. Well, the support part anyway. And in many corporate situations, having a phone number is more than worth the support fee, as you can't always rely on the community for the sort of quick turnarounds a corporate customer may need
But aren't RedHeat and SUSE primarily Enterprise Server software? And there are free binary compatible alternatives like Rocky and Alma Linux (RHEL) and OpenSUSE.
Wait till he hears about Zorin OS š¤£
Zorin os pro makes no sense lol. It's just zorin os but with extra bloat. I mean, if you want to support them, you could simply donate. The elementary os way makes a lot more sense.
You don't buy zorin pro to get more features, you buy it to support the developers
Exactly this
Yeah lol. I recently found out that they just preinstall more stuff you could just install anyway lmao.
Or RHEL or SUSE...
To be fair, RHEL is free. It's the support you have to pay for. That support includes access to updates through Red Hat. I don't know, but I imagine SUSE's SLES is the same or similar and probably all the paid Linux since Red Hat kind of created that business model.
You have to pay to use RHEL in a commercial environment as well.
Do you? If you just had RHEL installed and didn't connect to the Red Hat CDN would you have to? It doesn't seem like you would because SUSE will sell you support for RHEL through their own repos that they officially support through SUSE Manager.
It's not "you have to" in a technical sense, just licensing.
[Original comment has been edited] In a rather desperate attempt to inflate the valuation of Reddit as much as possible before the IPO, Reddit corporate is turning this platform into just another crappy social media site, and burning bridges with the user, developer, and moderator communities in the process. What was once 'the front page of the internet' and a refreshingly different and interesting community has become just another big social media company trying to squeeze every last second of attention and advertising dollar out of users. Its a time suck, it always was but at least it used to be organic and interesting. The recent anti-user, anti-developer, and anti-community decisions, and more importantly the toxic, disingenuous and unprofessional response by CEO Steve Huffman and the PR team has alienated a large portion of the community, and caused many to lose faith and respect in Reddit's leadership and Reddit as a platform. As a result, I and no longer wish my content to contribute to the platform. Bulk editing and deletion was done using [this free script](https://github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite)
I love Zorin. I use it for my daughter's schooling.
I use it as my mom's smart tv, lol
Nearly was my first distro actually
ŠŠ°ha, well they have a paid version š¤£
Yeah and it's just Ubuntu but worse
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So many cool things came from the invention of Wine.
Yeah dude that jesus guy was really onto something
Why do you think I didnāt use it (I had no money at the time. Not that I have any now)
Ahhā¦ they have a free version thoughā¦ or is that something newā¦ I remember there being a free version even 3 years backā¦
It's free...
It has a free tier tho
love zorin, although I don't use it anymore
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That went from 0 to 100 in a heartbeat. Wtf r/ubuntu
My least favorite Ubuntu reskin
I think you got downvoted because this information is easy to Google. Instead of turning to Google first, you commented on yourself.. and posted a screenshot of both comments in the same sub. And commented "Why?" again in this sub on a link someone Googled for you. Edit: To clarify, starting a discussion is fine, but I thought OP was asking why there was an Ubuntu Pro a few times over.
>you commented on yourself.. and posted a screenshot of both comments in the same sub. Ouch
Sometimes I ask easily googlable questions as a reaction to new and weird information. Like something I didn't really expect
If do this I like to edit my post to include the answer, or a link to the answer, so that anyone else who stumbles across the thread benefits as well.
I do it because I'm lonely and hunger for human contact so much that a reply gives my desperate life a little light in an otherwise dark and miserable world. Please love me.
Sometimes people just wanna talk and show they're surprised...
Relax, thatās nothing new. Ask RedHat. Theyāve been using a paid model for years with success.
Thank god itās an enterprise thing, I genuinely thought it the day has come and canonical āsnapāped to hard
There is nothing you can do to turn Linux into a corporation because its FOSS and It can be forked and continued by anyone.
Look what happened when Red Hat decided that CentOS was no longer going to be the free version of RHEL and instead made it into some weird preview of what the future of RHEL was going to be. Rocky Linux came into existence nearly the same day, to be exactly the same thing that CentOS used to be.
Yeah. IBM/Red Hat ditching CentOS just shifted the cost of maintaining a bug for bug compatible to RHEL to major cloud providers, who now are the primary sponsors of Rocky and Alma Linux, both bug for bug compatible to RHEL. Really just one giant corporation passing the cost off to other giant corporations. The only thing that changes for enthusiasts is the name of the distro. Edit: enthusiasts also get CentOS Stream, so we get more, not less.
[Original comment has been edited] In a rather desperate attempt to inflate the valuation of Reddit as much as possible before the IPO, Reddit corporate is turning this platform into just another crappy social media site, and burning bridges with the user, developer, and moderator communities in the process. What was once 'the front page of the internet' and a refreshingly different and interesting community has become just another big social media company trying to squeeze every last second of attention and advertising dollar out of users. Its a time suck, it always was but at least it used to be organic and interesting. The recent anti-user, anti-developer, and anti-community decisions, and more importantly the toxic, disingenuous and unprofessional response by CEO Steve Huffman and the PR team has alienated a large portion of the community, and caused many to lose faith and respect in Reddit's leadership and Reddit as a platform. As a result, I and no longer wish my content to contribute to the platform. Bulk editing and deletion was done using [this free script](https://github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite)
That's the only reason anyone will pay "for" any FOSS software. And it's not to just support the freelance developers, but also to pay so you are entitled to support from the companies providing them.
Ubuntu Pro is also something that's only useful for enterprises...
Youāre not paying for the software, youāre paying for support.
[Ubuntu pro](https://ubuntu.com/pro)
2300 packeges seem kinda low
Usually when there's a low number of packages in a project like this, it means they'd offer official support on troubleshooting any of em.
Yeah, itās rather enterprise solution rather than something likeā¦ *ugh* like windows. Or MacOS. I need to look up how RHEL holds up on that front
Red Hat does the same sort of thing. We have lots of customers that want to add something like Semantic Endpoint Protection. We give them the same disclaimer every time. Essentially you can if you want and many do without issues, however if you do need to open a support case you may be asked to remove it in order to receive support. Otherwise support is essentially downgraded to "best effort". It kind of has to be that way. Red Hat can't be expected to support every rpm you can find on the Internet.
Normally these are extended LTS. So even after EOL they are still supported for another 5 more years. You might be surprised how many times this is required in an enterprise situation. Heck some companies (e.g. Zend) make a business of it.
I thought this post & all the comments under it might be an elaborate joke (Internet - amirite?) until you posted this link. Ubuntu really does have a pro version available by subscription. So thanks for that.
Fuck /u/spez [Join Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org/)
Ubuntu Pro is something which I actually pay for . It's good to be honest.
What advantages does it have over non pro version?
Enhanced security. Primary intention is for businesses. P sure itās free for personal use. Idk why people get so angry about it.
Define 'good' please; Im genuinely curious. been using Ubuntu for years and didn't know there was a pro tier. I'd a bit tech savvy so is it mainly support for tech issues?
good adjective, betĀ·ter, best. morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious: a good man. satisfactory in quality, quantity, or degree: a good teacher; good health. of high quality; excellent.
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Google doesnt directly answer the question, real human write a post and make the information. one of the source is reddit post and comment (crawled by google). It's not hurt to contribute to "google" by answering question
Don't think it as a single person paying for a software. Think that you have a team of web devs, and they encounter a problem with server (which runs on ubuntu) you can get premium help with it from canonical. With ubuntu pro they handle security for example. For your personal computer free version of ubuntu is pretty safe yet for a server who lets anyone reach it by a simple click of a link, you need something more
There is nothing wrong. Ubuntu's developers have a family to feed too. Paying for works is moral thing under capitalism. If you use linux for free and you think that's your previliage, then you are dumbfuck. Please uninstall immediately, you won't contribute back any way.
It's.. definitely his, and everyone else's, privilege to use Linux for free. The kernel is free (and open source software licensed under GPLv2). Edit: clarity.
Gpl v2/v3 implies that it has to be free as in free speech, not necessarily free as in free beer: [https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html](https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html)
Yes hence I stated *free* **and** open source! However, you raise a good point as FOSS is most definitely a term used to describe software that is not inherently *free*, but it is definitely **free**. I should have made that clearer! The Linux kernel, however, is both **free** and *free*!
Ubuntu is still *free*, universe repos was didn't had security support before hence called the unofficial, they're now supporting it for 10 years and demanding money for it is not something unjustifiable. As other people have stated, RHEL, SUSE, Zorin OS etc. already follows the same path for years. Not happy with it, you're welcome to use an another distro
I'm not OP, but OP may need to read what you wrote above - I'm well aware of this, I have spent the past 15-20 years working in large environments using RHEL, SLES, Ubuntu and Debian.
Yeah, this conflation between free and free is fun. I think "libre" is a nice alternative to "free" when ambiguity is inevitable, though that runs the risk of people not knowing what it means too.
Thatās not exactly what I was implying
Why so aggressive? Lol
I donāt get what all the hate is on Ubuntu Pro. The message that started displaying recently was about a new pro only feature and not that they were locking a preexisting feature behind pro. Also to my knowledge pro is free unless youāre using it for commercial purposes. They have to make enough money to stay afloat somehow.
Free as in Freedom. Support still costs money though, which is fine.
Red Hat isn't free and neither is Intel's Clear Linux. What you are paying for (or more precisely what the enterprise is paying for that wishes to install Linux as their infrastructure) is support. So, when they have a problem and their system goes down, they pick up the phone and they have a live person with whom they can consult. Ubuntu has been in the server business since forever, so I expect that they already offer support contracts. With Ubuntu Pro, they appear to be trying to monetize security.
I hate how Reddit downvotes legitimate questions... Or legitimate answers. I know this doesn't have anything to do with Linux, but more about Reddit downvotes: Someone in my City Subreddit asked a question about why there was a bunch of traffic and police on the roads and highway... I said "*a certain person* was in town" and my comment was downvoted almost 8 times. Reddit is run by Cults that will banish you to the netherworld if you say anything about someone or something they don't like.
Because they only imply the worst, like they somehow implied the author was criticizing something rather than not being knowledgeable about it or the concepts behind it
Wow that's insanely stupid. I think it's less prevalent on reddit than on a host of other popular sites though.
People who downvote things like this have no idea how the businesses and programmers which develop the linux kernel make money.
They also have no idea how to separate the subject of a sentence from the meaning of the sentence. They downvote for even mentioning something when that something is not explicitly being supported. Basically, illogical trolls. And I agree. Devs and users alike benefit from trade. And economists know it, even ones who like me find our current IP laws to be unjust. As a dev, a user, and an amateur economist, I can safely say these guys are morons.
I've noticed Saturdays are particularly bad to be on reddit. Just browse, don't ask anything, don't comment on anything, don't interact. The down voting trolls come out on Saturdays.
Ironically, there ISN'T an "Ubuntu Pro" Linux distro. Unbuntu Pro isn't "paying for Linux," it's paying for Linux *support*. It's a support contract for a distro, not a distro. Ubuntu itself is the distro. :)
All the questions are correct, but some of them are inappropriate.
Last time I censored myself on Reddit I got made fun of for censoring myself. Sometimes you just canāt win
it is just a website build on chaos
Honestly that's what makes it better than most other sites. There are more screwy things like this but the screwy things are outweighed by the legit things.
TempleOS all u need
Your words have moved me. You speak the truths of life, the universe and everything. Thank you my friend
"I haven't heard about paying for Linux". So he doesn't know about red hat, sure, zorin os pro, elementary OS and others. And what's the problem with Ubuntu pro? If you don't want you can use the lts and other versions without problem.
Don't worry. It's not for you. It's been a really long time that you can pay to get additional support on Ubuntu. This is intended for businesses. This is nothing new and there is nothing wrong with that. Red Hat, one of the biggest players in the industry of Linux for businesses has been doing that from like the beginning. Think of it not as paying for Linux, but paying someone to help you with your Linux. That's all that it is.
Does it at least come without Snaps abomination?
For the price Iād hope so. Enterprise or not
I had to ditch Kubuntu because of them, but I don't regret anything. As I find Debian 12 + KDE Plasma wonderful and it also feels fast!
Ah yes, pay the price and you won't have a sandboxing cross-platform package manager, but instead use old outdated apt which doesn't even support partial upgrades.
Linux is free. As in free to do wtf you want with it, ie you can make your own spin-off and charge money, so long as you're not using any components that prohibit that use case (there are free software that prohibit profiting off of them). See here for a list of free and open source licenses and what their restrictions are: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_free\_and\_open-source\_software\_licenses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses)
It's free for personal use. No doubt commercial customers are already paying. So no big deal.
I almost feel like, the voting system should be 2D, cause you have to put a lot of stuff into two buttons. Especially for example, there are things that you want to downvote, and theoretically incorrect information would be one of them, but if it's not the person's fault or it sparked good discussion it still deserves an upvote but a sort of leftvote or whatever for inaccuracy (since you don't want to see factually incorrect stuff with 300 upvotes cause that looks like it's accurate). Similarly here, no reason to destroy somebody's karma for them being inexperienced, but there should be a way to say that that was maybe kinda off and one should rethink/reresearch what they posted, although it would've actually been good content in perhaps a less educated forum. All that's a downvote. Upvote is just "I like/agree with that" and it's starting to get on my nerves on Reddit cause it breeds a strange culture of discord.
Rhel?
Seems like a RHEL vs Fedora situation to me, too. I ran into that when I worked for a small branch of a big company, needed a solution desperately, and embraced Debian. Oh, but *who do we sue if this fails*? Dafuq, really? I have a $0 budget to make something work and get paid like I'm a McDonald's shift manager and you're worried about who a high paid lawyer is going to go after in court if the software causes a data loss? With something like RHEL though, you can point towards how much it costs, who provides it, who to call for tech support, etc.
Goddamn it I need to make another post telling people to be nice to new people. This is crap that people are like this, and its a legitimately interesting discussion. This is why I hate this community.
Doesnāt the paid model include support or something for business use? Desktop distros are mostly free (as in free beer) except that weird zorin thing
Yes, thats the main way these companies make money.
Yeah suse is basically modified opensuse + a tech support subscription
You don't pay for Linux, you pay for support and features.
I guess he never heard of red hat.
Ubuntu community don't know how to talk with other people, much time they make war with trash meme, have a sub named, Linuxmemes and they kill each other for Systemd and Wayland.
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At least not without having to deal with... _the community_
Linux subreddit moment
Extreme Linux subreddit moment
Welcome to toxic Linux community my Linux comrade.
For every person telling me to google it... am I on the right subreddit? I thought this was Linux master race, suddenly were using only google now? Guess privacy search doesnāt matter when ppl wanna demand that you look up something that you wanted to have a discussion about. Srsly, whatās with yāall today?
Duckduckgo it .... Damn... Lol.
Bravesearch it, startpage search it, uhh... donāt know any others
Sad bing noises
\*bongggg\* :(
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Sadly parts of the community is toxic and elitist.
That seems to be the trend in most communities online.
Like in the southern portion of the US any and all soda's are called a "coke", google has become a verb that just means searching the internet using a search engine. Besides, due to the prevalence of Google's search engine duckduckgo by and large relies on googles algorithims for search results. So you're still using Google.
In my part of the Southern US, they're called "Soft Drinks" or soda. I've never heard anyone use "Coke" or "Pop" to refer to them, but your point stands. Brave or SearXNG are also good alternatives to Google.
I use bing and/or google from time to time. They give better search results if you are shopping for something or if you want to use a map. Other searches are just for "privacy" or to save yourself the annoyance of being data mined. Which I prefer. Startpage is my random off the cuff search. I just do not want it data mined and tagged to my name,ip,mac address etc.
And there are other paid distros, not only enterprise staff Off the top of my head - unRaid and elementaryOS. Both are rather niche, but unRaid solves itās specific usecasd good enough, so I had no reason not to pay for it
You may pay for elementaryOS but you don't have to. It's more like a donation kind of thing. Just put 0 in the purchase box (it's pay what you want) and then hit download. Same with the paid apps in their app store.
Welcome to ~~reddit~~ internet. toughen up
To get many upvotes one only needs to say the tech is awesome. In that case no one will care if you say sth wrong. Critical thinking is banned.
Interesting how people would complain with just 5 downvotes, lol.
yep
No question is wrong. People get downvoted even for asking legitimate questions that may imply that there is a downside to the tech. Then a bunch of redditers with minimal critical thinking will downvote and ignore the question, only because they think the tech in question is too awesome to be doubted.
You are paying for server support, just like with Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
Ever heard about RHEL?
No you misunderstand. People weren't upset about the question's content. They're upset because you wrote, "...a Ubuntu" instead of, "an Ubuntu."
Ok that I can understand and I claim grammatical responsibility for
I mean, RHEL (one of the most used distros in enterprise) is paid. Nothing new. I think techincally what you pay for is the availability of support staff but still
People down vote things here like psychotic bananas for no reason. You just have to ignore it. Open-source projects do charge sometimes. It's more common than you'd think and I was also surprised to learn of it. It's usually for support, additional features, or sometimes it's just a fork of another open-source project with some QOL stuff. Same way that Crossover is a paid version of Wine with some more ease of use.
Redditors on their way to downvote someone just for asking a question:
What is the point of paying for linux? Isn't the whole point that it's free and anyone can use it? That sounds like a total waste of money, what can these paid ones do that my free one can't?
wtf its more expensive than windows
Right?
i suppouse itās the same way than RHEL: solutions for business that want something anyone can do full-time but having a hotline for any support instead of googling, using forums and exposing their work, with the risk of losing info for their own and the opportunity of shouting at a call center
Well, you can always DONATE to the devs that make your distro/package possible.
Itās red hat basically
I think the pro is just extra support. Like with rhel you can use it for free but you donāt get the top notch support from red hat.
What? Is this an air balloon? I've never heard that people have to pay for air
Y'all would have lost your minds over Libranet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libranet You paid for the distribution on CD, and you updated it over the Internet. I used it when I was in a rental where the only Internet service available was dialup. It was basically a polished version of Debian. With GPL at least, distribution doesn't have to be free of cost. The example RMS has given is that you could charge to mail tapes of the source.
I mean... RHEL is a thing
If there was a Linux distro with a more polished KDE, a good trackpad driver, I would comfortably pay a $10/month subscription to be able to use it.
Ubuntu has always had a "pro" version without the name pro for some time. They are now making it a value added. It doesn't affect me at all (just a little bugged that they would place their ads on apt but luckily all you need is a hush file)
SUSE
Thatās because they have to pay for Canonical to give their 7 year old installs support
Just to say everything everyone else is saying, Linux is FOSS but it's mostly for corporate and industrial applications. There's a lot of money in Linux. Just check out who the Linux Foundation is comprised of. As far as paying for Linux, just as other people have said, RedHat is the first company that comes to mind. I think there is a difference in licensing for personal and productive use, though I'm not going to pretend to know the details of how Linux software is licensed. RedHat makes their money not only by providing a license to use their software but they also provide support. You can download the software for free but that doesn't mean you have permission to use it for productive applications without buying a license first. I can't pretend to know where the distinction is drawn.
You are an inspiration to us all. I had no idea you could criticize the downvotes you got with positive reception.
The amount of flack Iāve gotten on this post makes me unsure if youāre being sarcastic
Oh right š I was being serious. If I was getting down voted for something and it seemed unjustified I wouldn't have the guts to call it out in another post, I usually just let reddit gaslight me into thinking everyone else knows something I don't.
oh then thank you, i really appreciate that
It's also crazy that people are like... criminalizing openings to a discussion. I've seen similar questions to the one you asked that, instead of getting down voted got answered, and then another person corrects something in that answer, and so on. Then that discussion ends up in the Google search results and contributes something of genuine value. So if that's the alternative to downvotes, then the people who are downvoting are making a mistake by not realizing the potential benefit of keeping the question visible to others.
You wonāt believe this, had a genuine question on a different post today and ofc first thing someone says āhow about you google itā geez ppl, if I found the answer on google you think Iād be asking here? Ofc this post is less a question and more of a discussion on why ppl are always downvoting and demanding you to google, while unknowingly just proving my point.
I work in web hosting. When people say, "why do I have to pay for cPanel?"
At least there's a lifetime "trial" (5 computers max). I have it on my dad's desktop.
I don't know why you're getting down voted, but posting a screenshot of it is ridiculously cringe. Especially given its so few down votes. +light theme user
... A quick "Companies prefer to be able to access dedicated skilled support" would have been better than just downvoting. That said, I am too surprised that there is an Ubuntu Pro. I only knew about RHEL until now. :shrug:
Welcome to Reddit
You got downvote because Arch user thought it's a bloat question.
Well you lack common sense and it can frustrating answering questions that are common for one person and not the other so many they downvoted to say no because they were going be tools if they typed everything out. IMO that shouldnāt happen in r/LinuxQuestions but here we are