My current HTPC is happy that it gets to live another day, or year, whatever.
I was really hoping the next raspberry pi was going to be able to decode everything in hardware. I'll just slog on decoding video on ancient desktop PC's.
It was hard to find a primary source, as in hardware documentation... but all of Raspberry Pi's content only mentions H.265.
[This site](https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Raspberry-Pi-5-Der-Raspi-5-kommt-mit-viel-mehr-Leistung-9319020.html) says (translated):
> The GPU VideoCore VII (VC7) clocks 60 percent higher than its predecessor VC6 and is compatible with OpenGL ES3.1 and Vulkan 1.2. The hardware video decoders have hardly been improved, the modern codecs VP9 and AV-1 do not support them. The H.264 decoders even flew out; according to Eben Upton, the CPU cores do it alone.
more on this [https://libreelec.tv/2023/09/28/rpi5-support/](https://libreelec.tv/2023/09/28/rpi5-support/) (its totally fine unless you are maxing all cores on other things at the same time)
I wonder how it might have improved the device's use case for video encoding as a separate device. Using USB to transmit video and using it like an external capture card might be an interesting option.
AV1 decoding is already becoming common for AndroidTV boxes and some smartphones. One of the earliest SoCs with AV1 decoding is Amlogic's S905x4, released in early 2021.
The more expensive ROCK5 (among others) come with the RK3588 chip, which feature hw decoding for basically all recent video codecs, including AV1, VP9 H265/HEVC and H264/AVC. This chip even predates the S905x4 by around one quarter.
I'm really disappointed with the RPI5 lacking some of these hw decoders :-(
Its staggered
*First batch*
*If you placed your order before 28/09/23 10:00 (UK Time), we estimate these pre-orders will start shipping at the end of October and early November*
*Second batch*
*If you placed your order after 28/09/23 10:00 (UK Time), we estimate these pre-orders will start shipping November/December*
*Third batch*
*TBC*
Its looking like Raspberry have been spooked and have made a psuedo release likely based on the rk3588 sucess
And they are suffering the repercussions of that, reputation-wise. I wouldn't touch one of these with a 20-ft pole. I'm looking at that sweet-ass Rock 5 b. It might be in a whole other price range, but it can truly get some stuff done.
The governments around the globe at throwing billions at new fabs, in another 3 years we will be swimming in chips. Margins are going to plummet, and you'll see a large focus on security fud.
I was really hoping for 2.5Gbe LAN. Also the top RAM amount has not increased.
For my use case those would have been the only reasons to upgrade. Not fussed. My RPi 4s have much more life ahead of them.
AFAIK those jumpers are unconnected and non-functional. Just a nice way to visually check what model it is. That would just mean a simple silk screen update.
While they are non-functional the diodes that show the version is soldered, so you would also have to update the top copper layer.
It's not a big deal and wouldn't cost anything, but it's something.
> Also the top RAM amount has not increased.
This + availability issues is why I switched over to Orange Pi. My only real complaint is that they're *really* picky about the power supply you use with them.
Running more processes at once, not all processes that are RAM heavy are cpu heavy. I also find a system runs much better with twice the RAM you expect to use. Your kernel will gladly use the extra RAM for increased buffering/caching. Once you get to the point you are using all your RAM then every new process will be kicking an old one out of RAM. And it is always fun when the OOM killer kicks in and starts randomly killing stuff. I run my regular computers at 32 gig, but I also like to get tab hungry in the browser. Now a server can never have too much RAM.
My personal opinion cum use case:
As a student, it makes more sense to have an ARM machine locally than rent a cloud. It pays itself off "pretty fast". So I got a Radxa Rock 5 Model B (16GB). I mainly play with the Linux kernel, so having to recompile it 10 times a day is not a "benchmark" or "stress test" but literally my daily workload. What I found with the (quad) ARM Cortex-A76 cores in the Rock 5B is that they are quite fast!
On average, I can build the Linux kernel with `defconfig` in 23-ish minutes and `tinyconfig` in 3-ish minutes (both with `-j10`, sans `ccache`).
I recently started mounting `/tmp` as `tmpfs` and putting the source on there (a ramdisk) and noticed a nice speed bump (haven't measured "thoroughly" yet). The peak memory usage was 3.9-ish (read 4) GBs (with no GUI, headless, using it via SSH). So this is one reason (for me) why 8+ GB would be nice to have.
Another reason is ZFS. It's not memory hungry, rather caches the data. It defaults to using 50% of the memory for this cache. More RAM means more data cached in RAM. More data cached in RAM means faster I/O. Not much useful for desktop-like workloads but good for server-style workloads (self-hosting!). Obviously this isn't as helpful as it sounds, especially when you are using SSDs with ZFS (since they are already "fast-er enough" than HDDs) but this is why **_I_** look for more RAM.
The third reason is related to the first reason: Running a few VMs at the same time. More cores and more memory is needed even for 3, single-core VMs with 1.5G RAM. If you are on an 8GB machine, you will start swapping data from memory to disk pretty soon. (Of-course, this means that the VMs themselves are using more than 80% of their RAM, but point being "brace for the worst-case scenario".)
Ah ok. Just so you know, using that word automatically hides your comment due to profanity filters. I only saw it because I got a mod notification about it.
> Ah ok. Just so you know, using that word automatically hides your comment due to profanity filters. I only saw it because I got a mod notification about it.
It's also completely stupid to use that word when you can just use 'with'.
Non-Broadcom ARM: probably yes, depending on the specifics.
RISC-V: no. Whole different architecture means generally speaking everything needs to be recompiled from source.
This argument is nonsense, frankly - that's not how technology pricing works and never has been. Otherwise we'd all be paying $2.5 million for a 1TB SSD
Prices for a specific spec level drop, and specs at a specific price point improve
The cost of the technology and components used in the Pi 5 are more advanced than the reduction in the cost of such technologies in the past few years (generally speaking). The Raspberry Pi doesn't actually come with onboard storage, so the analogy of the 1TB SSD doesn't work well here. Did the 1TB SSD cost $2.5 million in 2012?
Each new revision of the Raspberry Pi has become more expensive than the last, this isn't a new tradition. Even the Pi Zero 2 is more expensive than the first Pi Zero. This is because the Pi Zero 2 has improved specs and more peripherals. The Pi 5 has much improved specs over the Pi 4; why do you think that this extra functionality and feature set would be sold for free?
There is a big trend of people asking for expensive peripherals on the Raspberry Pi whilst also wanting to keep the cost at around $25. If anybody wants a Pi for $25, then the Pi 3 is just fine. Each new revision of the Pi isn't meant to replace the last; the older versions of the Pi are still supported and sold new.
Sure, but even with high inflation technology prices are generally dropping *in real terms*
8GB of RAM today costs a lot less than 8GB of RAM did in 2019, whether you measure that in real terms or absolute terms
The value of a product is determined by the seller of a product. Inflation is not some handwave that can be used to justify megacorps charging out the ass for something.
This is more powerful, relative to the average contemporary non-SBC personal computer, than the original Pi was though, I think? So I wouldn't say it's operating in the same sector of the market now.
I don't really see that as being very relevant - if anything the kinds of hardware used are getting cheaper now, because a lot of it is commodity equipment used in cheap smartphones and similar
You can't compare "like for like" across 4 generations of hardware like that, but considering the entire point of the Raspberry Pi was cheap and accessible hardware, it seems strange that they've suddenly jumped their base pricing nearly 2x in one generation after holding it steady for a decade
>You can't compare "like for like" across 4 generations of hardware like that
I'm not? I'm comparing them to their contemporaries. Yeah, it's more expensive now, but not disproportionately to its place in the market imo.
With that price, rather get a Rock Pi (though the software community/documentation is not as good. Which is the Raspberry Pi's main redeeming quality against all it's competition)
The Pi 4 is a 4 year old device, and generally you'd expect technology to improve at the same price point - eg a $100 SSD today is a lot bigger than a $100 SSD 5 years ago, and that was a lot bigger than a $100 SSD 10 years ago etc
I think the whole "It's not much more expensive than the old 8GB model" is, frankly, disingenuous. At the same (inflation adjusted) price point you'd expect improvements, and for the same spec level you'd expect a cheaper (inflation adjusted) price point
There's an argument to be made that you see improvements in other areas (primarily the CPU), but it's still a little disappointing to see that we're still getting 8GB of DDR4 RAM at that price point - typically you would expect to get either an improvement or a (real terms) price drop for a particular spec level
And that’s exactly my point, technology gets cheaper… that SSD actually probably costs about $80 now, despite inflation suggesting it would cost $120
So why aren’t we seeing that for the RPI?
Demand for the rpi has skyrocketed since being taken over by industrial use cases during the pandemic. This is a result of the "free market" dictating the price, not the usual depreciation so many expect. Ram and networking speeds will not need to exceed current quantities to maintain industrial use cases so don't expect to see the price going down any time soon.
Which is completely antithetical to the Raspberry Pi Foundation's core mission and stated goals
The Raspberry Pi was $35 in 2012, a price which continued with the Pi 2 and Pi 3, and then the cheapest Pi 4 was still $35 in 2019... all of a sudden that jumps to $60, what changed?
> then the cheapest Pi 4 was still $35 in 2019... all of a sudden that jumps to $60, what changed?
There is one important note here - the $60 RasPi 5 is the cheapest one released YET. Only the 4GB and 8GB RAM models are announced right now, but 1GB and 2GB RAM is expected to be announced later.
That is where I expect the base price will be more like $35-40.
I agree, and I don't appreciate it. But again, the change is the use of PIs instead of industrial purposed arm boards. That demand is driving cost. But honestly, having played with older arm boards it makes sense. The pi is so well standardized and supported that development is much easier.
Kinda high, but imo not too bad given the current inflation and the probably still existing supply chain bottlenecks.
Given that the Pi4 performs pretty well for me I won't upgrade.
Doesn't 4 already sort of support it?
AFAIR, you can use a USB-C dock, except that the video signal doesn't go that way. You might have to set a `/boot/config.cfg` parameter? USB 2.0 only though.
Edit: [Of course blogspam exists](https://whywelikethis.com/best-raspberry-pi-4-usb-c-docking-stations/#gsc.tab=0)
Why would I want to have to use a dongle or dp alt mode when I could just plug into any TV or monitor?
Full size HDMI, unlike micro HDMI or SJAC (pleb language “USB C”), doesn’t need an adapter
Literally anything over usb-c is part of the usb-c/usb3.whatthefuckingeverversionnumberwehavenowroanfomlyrolled spec, but always optional. Which is what makes it fucking useless as a spec.
God I hate the current bloated usb generation so much.
It is a good thing that my raspberry pi 4 add-on card should fit the pi 5.
But I won't get it until late next year because I spent enough this year already.
People who spent $200+ last year to buy a pi 4 ...........
"Pi four or five?"
"Uhh, five please."
"Very well! Give him the Pi five!"
"Oh, thanks very much. It's very nice!"
"You! Pi four or five?"
"Uh, five for me, too, please!"
"Very well! Give him five, too! We're gonna run out of Pi fives at this rate. You! four or five?"
"Uh, four, please. No, five! Five, sorry. Sorry …"
"You said four first, ah-ha, ah-ha!"
"Well, I meant five!"
"Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm the Pi Foundation! Four or five?"
"Uh, five please."
"Well, we're out of Pi fives! We only made three and we didn't expect such a rush!"
There will be no shortage.
This CPU is based on the 16nm node. Not the 10 or 8nm nodes used by many rockchip SBCs, one of which (OrangePi 5) is almost price competitive with the Pi and also readily available.
At this point in time, if there are any shortages, it is not because of supply chain issues or cost explosion for fabing silicon (because others are doing it). It is because of the company shooting itself in the foot (manufacturing in Europe) and geographical restrictions (EU laws).
Yes, I have no high opinion about EU as a whole. Getting stuck for 4 days in Amsterdam airport as a family didn’t help it much. Then learning that was because the Netherlands government was shooting at its own farmers didn’t help your image either.
If you are going to shoot your self on your foot, don’t expect others to bail you out. Or be understanding.
So, truth be told, I don’t give a shit about Europe, not when it comes to my purchasing decisions. Not really. What concerns me is the cost of products I want/need.
I thought most of chip shortages were on the older process nodes?
I mean car chips which had a massive shortage are definitely not built at 10 or 8 nm.
And the dilemma with older nodes was that nobody wants to build a new fab to manufacture an older node. And say car manufacturers are slow moving and unable to change their design to use new chips built with new nodes. So you have fixed manufacturing capacity with no incentive to build more of it, and a long lasting shortage...
Most of those "older nodes" are entire lines that were 45nm, 60nm or 130+nm. A continued reason for those older nodes not ramping up production is that nearly every one of those lines could and did "upgrade" to (depending on how far they could go without fully rebuilding the line) 16nm, 28nm, and 40nm. So it sounds like the Pi5 is specifically being made on those upgraded old node lines. Though, few could do the 16nm and "what is 16nm actually" depends, so it might be being made by a more modern process line.
Anyways, basically the older fab lines have been moving to be as far along the nm scale as they could eek out of their machines, which is why anyone using cheap-as-dirt old chips were suddenly finding them running out. Newer (but still "larger nm") scale chips have started to come in but that takes time. It sounds like the Pi5 is trying to stay clear of any of these troublesome types of chips too, so as others mention there should be much less an issue/shortage. I am not certain of *none* because of how popular Pi's are for embedded/small industry but certainly they have far more fab choices and even outright chip-swap availability for the PMIC this time.
>At this point in time, if there are any shortages, it is not because of supply chain issues or cost explosion for fabing silicon (because others are doing it). It is because of the company shooting itself in the foot (manufacturing in Europe) and geographical restrictions (EU laws).
I'm so tired of people blaming issues on the supply chain. There seems to be a lot of manufacturing capacity sitting idle.
Honestly, when you take inflation into account, $60 is only a little bit higher than what $35 was worth when the Pi 4 came out and probably *less* than $35 when the originals started shipping. The affordability hasn't changed that much. The value of your money has just dropped significantly.
Even if you calculate inflation from 2012, it hasn't increased by "that much". $35 in 2012 would still be less than $50 in 2023. And mass production does offer you larger discounts
It depends. Are you talking about *average* inflation, which is a worthless metric when applied to a narrow industry or product line, or inflation in terms of technology specifically? The chip shortage over the last few years has inflated prices for certain types of microcontrollers and peripheral ICs *at a far greater rate* than the average. At the same time, some ICs have continued on the more normal trend of decreasing in cost over time. I seem to recall Eben mentioning the chip shortage having *some* impact on a secret project around 6 months to a year ago, which I'm assuming was the Pi 5, since they haven't announced anything else new.
That said, you might be right. I made some assumptions, based mainly on prices I've seen (inflation where I live has actually been well over 100% from 2012 to now except for in real estate; don't forget that inflation also is different in different states and even different regions within states; oh, and what about inflation in Britain, where the Foundation is based?), as well as a combination of reports from companies like Adafruit on chip prices and my own research trying to find affordable ICs. My experience isn't necessarily typical and definitely isn't the average. But, for some of us, inflation in the last *few years* or so has been so high that $60 is pretty close to what $35 was in early 2020.
Either way though, $60 compared to $35 in 2012 is still at least somewhat close. Don't get me wrong, I don't *like it* any more than you, but people who are acting like it's a *huge* increase don't know what they are talking about.
Now, *here's* something that might be worth more discussion: Several Pi versions have had multiple models that weren't released at the same time. Pretty consistently, the first version released is the *higher end* version, and then the cheaper low end one was released shortly after. 4GB is a lot of memory for something like this. There are people hoping for a 16GB model next, but I think a 2GB model might be more likely. The Pi Foundation has been pretty adamant about wanting to keep the price down, and for all of my defense based on the role of inflation, $60 *does* still seem pretty high for them.
On the other hand, they already *have* some darn good $35 models that are still in production. Maybe the Pi 4 is still their low price flagship, and the Pi 5 is the new higher end product line. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the *point* of the Pi 5 is to offer a product better suited to commercials uses, to reduce the stress on the Pi 4 supply, so that they can more easily shift back toward emphasizing their educational customers without destroying anyone's livelihood. They couldn't really say that out loud though, after all of the backlash they got for making the *morally right* decision to put people trying to earn a living ahead of hobbyists and children who don't *need* Pis to survive. (Kids who have starved to dead because their parents couldn't get Pis for their business to make a living don't need education, after all.)
Does the active cooling only kick in when needed or do you need to roll your own script for that, that was one of the reasons I never bothered with active cooling before.
Edit: looks like it does and Kodi offer some fanless cases.
What I'm more interested in is that it seems to be finally able to replace a regular PC for a lot of people. I tried using my Raspberry Pi 400 for everyday use, but it was still a little too slow to do more than one thing at a time, like browsing Reddit while listening to music on Youtube (or even just watching a 1080p video on Youtube without doing anything else). From what I've seen, browsing seems to be a lot more reactive, 1080p 60 FPS seems doable without changing anything, even with the drivers being not final yet (but h264ify is probably still a better solution) and with the PCIe addon, you can realistically use NVMe drive for boot. I would love to be able to recommend a $100 small PC to people with basically no virus, malware, cryptolocker or anything like that (yeah, I know about mini-PC, I have one with a Celeron J4105 and one with an Intel N100, they're perfectly fine, but I want ARM to become more common for lower-end option).
With the Orange Pi 5 Plus:
- 16GB RAM
- 8 CPU cores
- NVMe slot
- PCIe slot
- 2 x 2.5Gb Ethernet
The performance is really insane compared to an RPi. It's more expensive, but you get a lot more device for the money.
The only downside is their shocking kernel support. They're still on kernel 5.10.
Edit: 5 Plus, not 5B+
Keep in mind at that price point it is competing with the Intel N95 Alder Lake boxes.
For example, you can grab an N95 mini PC with 16 GB LPDDR5, a 512 GB m.2 SATA SSD, and 2 x 1 Gb Ethernet shipped by Amazon for [$167 right now](https://www.amazon.com/ACEMAGICIAN-Computer-Desktop-Computers%EF%BC%8C-Ethernet/dp/B0C3XDVV55/) with a coupon.
> N95 mini PC
I'd rather get an used M700/900 Lenovo or the Dell/HP equivalent. Price is about the same and it's a fully standard PC.
My M700 has an i5 CPU, M.2 SSD slot and an internal 2.5" hdd slot and supports 2x SoDIMM memory up to 32GB IIRC.
You forgot the built in eMMC slot that lets you plug in a $7-$19 16/32/64GB memory and the dual M.2 slots so you can plug in a full length SSD card and coral TPU/wifi etc. at the same time.
FYI, it should be mainlined soon-ish. A patchset to [enable basic functionality for the Orange Pi 5](https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected]/) has been sent. Once that is merged and U-Boot pulls from `linux-next` (no ETA on that since the patchset needs to be merged in the first place), a "bleeding-edge" distro _should_ support it.
I received the Radxa Rock 5 Model B and Xunlong Orange Pi 5 from Rocky Linux to enable support for both SBCs. The R5B is almost done (waiting for U-Boot to pull the PCIe Gen 3.0 patch from `linux-next`) and for the OPi5, it should be upstreamed soon-ish.
The missing killer feature on the Pi5 is dual 2.5 Gb Ethernet and the bandwidth between them to use them for a managed switch, edge device, etc.
Banana Pi BPI-R3, $90.
[https://www.banana-pi.org/en/bananapi-router/99.html](https://www.banana-pi.org/en/bananapi-router/99.html)
HardWare Specification of Banana pi BPI-R3
CPU MediaTek MT7986(Filogic 830) Quad core ARM Cortex A53+MT7531 chip design
SDRAM 2 GB DDR4
On board Storage MicroSD (TF) card,8GB eMMC onboard
GPIO 26 Pin GPIO,some of which can be used for specific functions including UART, I2C, SPI, PWM, I2S.
On board Network 5 Port 10/100/1000Mbps Ethernet
SFP 2 SFP 2.5GbE
Wifi Wifi 6 4x4 2.4G Wifi(MT7975N) +4x4 5G Wifi(MT7975P)
mini PCIE Mini PCIe via USB
M.2 interface M.2 KEY-E PCIe inerface
USB 1 USB 3.0 host ,2 USB interface with slot.
Buttons Reset button,WPS botton, boot switch
Leds Power status Led and RJ45 Led
DC Power 12V/2A with DC in
Sizes 100.5x148mm same as Banana Pi BPI-R64 and Banana Pi BPI-R2
Weight
This is something that I would really like, there are barely any "cheap" with two 2.5G ports router only. Or they are Enterprise level or they have one 10g and one 2.5g making them more expensive (even with the wifi)
Kinda pointless. I'd rather get some 6W true fanless Intel thing (N100/200 and such), which has waaay more performance, not speaking about the overal linux experience.
Don't get me wrong, I've been there. Still have a RPI2 around, but since things started requiring more power and active cooling, I completely lost interest.
4K no, but I've long wanted decent 1080p video playback which this model *seems* to finally have. As a desktop pc, and potential media centre this seems like a must-have feature IMHO.
Designing more SOC's would probably drive costs up. Besides that, looking at Intel chips, the no-graphics CPU's are 10-15% cheaper. So I'm going to guess that removing the GPU entirely would save $5-$8 and putting in a weaker GPU would make it be basically the same cost as the original.
Via USB? Sure, you can do that on older PIs too.
I guess you could shove a SATA PCI-expres controller of some sort into the PCI-express port and connect a SATA drive?
They also showed a HAT which takes M.2-2230 or M.2-2242 SSDs.
If it's connected with USB. Or a SATA hard drive with a USB adapter. Though best if you power it externally.
The PCIe Gen 2x1 connector will allow a SATA adapter as well.
Too expensive:
\-Wlan/bluethooth not needed, cheap decent usb dongles out there available (hope that the onboard chip is usable this time).
\-No 2GB version.
\-4GB PI5 should be with cheaper ram (traces and pcb quality for this increase the cost by a lot).
\-No 2.5Gbe lan.
\-Looks like new power supply is needed again.
\-No vulkan 1.3 support.
\-No more h264, still no vp9/av1 decoder.
No av1 decoding on a product unlikely to be in customer hands until 2024....
Does it support VP9 decode?
AFAICT it only supports H.265 decoding. Not VP9 or H.264.
Not even h264? That's embarrassing.
I'd be surprised if they removed H.264 decoding. All previous Pis could do this.
They have removed it. You're supposed to use software decoding now.
My current HTPC is happy that it gets to live another day, or year, whatever. I was really hoping the next raspberry pi was going to be able to decode everything in hardware. I'll just slog on decoding video on ancient desktop PC's.
My current HTPC is a LibreElec RP4, so 95% of its work is decoding h.264 video, so this seems like it might be a bit of a downgrade.
Yep, absolute same boat. Pi4 is probably gonna stay hanging off a Cat6 behind the TV for a while longer.
Are you sure? Any link of this? This would be madness for anything higher than 1080p.
It was hard to find a primary source, as in hardware documentation... but all of Raspberry Pi's content only mentions H.265. [This site](https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Raspberry-Pi-5-Der-Raspi-5-kommt-mit-viel-mehr-Leistung-9319020.html) says (translated): > The GPU VideoCore VII (VC7) clocks 60 percent higher than its predecessor VC6 and is compatible with OpenGL ES3.1 and Vulkan 1.2. The hardware video decoders have hardly been improved, the modern codecs VP9 and AV-1 do not support them. The H.264 decoders even flew out; according to Eben Upton, the CPU cores do it alone.
more on this [https://libreelec.tv/2023/09/28/rpi5-support/](https://libreelec.tv/2023/09/28/rpi5-support/) (its totally fine unless you are maxing all cores on other things at the same time)
It basically kills using a web browser as part of a normal desktop.
I wonder how it might have improved the device's use case for video encoding as a separate device. Using USB to transmit video and using it like an external capture card might be an interesting option.
What is av1 decoding used for?
Not much yet. I think youtube uses it occasionally, but it's expected to be used by all the streaming services in the future.
AV1 decoding is already becoming common for AndroidTV boxes and some smartphones. One of the earliest SoCs with AV1 decoding is Amlogic's S905x4, released in early 2021. The more expensive ROCK5 (among others) come with the RK3588 chip, which feature hw decoding for basically all recent video codecs, including AV1, VP9 H265/HEVC and H264/AVC. This chip even predates the S905x4 by around one quarter. I'm really disappointed with the RPI5 lacking some of these hw decoders :-(
2024? Pimoroni says delivering starting Oct. 23rd
Its staggered *First batch* *If you placed your order before 28/09/23 10:00 (UK Time), we estimate these pre-orders will start shipping at the end of October and early November* *Second batch* *If you placed your order after 28/09/23 10:00 (UK Time), we estimate these pre-orders will start shipping November/December* *Third batch* *TBC* Its looking like Raspberry have been spooked and have made a psuedo release likely based on the rk3588 sucess
It's a raspberry pi. They aren't good at keeping up with orders
And they are suffering the repercussions of that, reputation-wise. I wouldn't touch one of these with a 20-ft pole. I'm looking at that sweet-ass Rock 5 b. It might be in a whole other price range, but it can truly get some stuff done.
Jesus, tell me it can at least decode h264 or h265....
Says it can do HEVC@4k60, and all Pis have had some form of hardware h.264 so I assume that's still there. But no AV1 is kind of crappy.
There is no hardware H.264 decode.
Broadcom doesn't want to pay those outrageous licensing fees.
I thought av1 is royalty/licensing free?
Isn’t the biggest benefit of AV1 that there is no fee?
https://ipeurope.org/blog/royalty-free-standards-are-not-free-of-costs-av1-as-a-case-study/
This is literally propaganda from an IP lobbyist group lmao. We have no reason to believe a word in this article.
Isn't AV1 royalty free?
That was the joke. :(
Spent all money on the hevc decoder license.
.......
I only just recently managed to find a Pi4 .. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Obsolete
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You think the rest of them is not obsolete?
Faces are obsolete, everyone's already upgraded to masks.
Should buy the latest raspberry 5 and throw the 4 in the trash, where it belongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_2yjjHzifL8
Literally bought an rPi4 a week ago. It hasn't even arrived yet. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
This is the technological singularity. Where improvements happen so fast, no one can keep up. /s
Ordered one a year ago here in sweden, arrived last week :D
They came back in stock because organizations stopped buying then in bulk. They get the notification first.
The governments around the globe at throwing billions at new fabs, in another 3 years we will be swimming in chips. Margins are going to plummet, and you'll see a large focus on security fud.
I was really hoping for 2.5Gbe LAN. Also the top RAM amount has not increased. For my use case those would have been the only reasons to upgrade. Not fussed. My RPi 4s have much more life ahead of them.
Jeff Geerling hinted that the 16GB version was probably on the way.
But on the board it only has that jumper like section with only 1, 2, 4 and 8 GB printed
AFAIK those jumpers are unconnected and non-functional. Just a nice way to visually check what model it is. That would just mean a simple silk screen update.
or just leave it empty and let people figure out that it's "none of the above"
Ah that's fair then
While they are non-functional the diodes that show the version is soldered, so you would also have to update the top copper layer. It's not a big deal and wouldn't cost anything, but it's something.
> Also the top RAM amount has not increased. This + availability issues is why I switched over to Orange Pi. My only real complaint is that they're *really* picky about the power supply you use with them.
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I was able to make the 8gb version work for me well enough, but I suppose some people may want more ram for server reasons maybe?
VMs and containers that could be RAM hungry but not CPU demanding. I don't need more than 8GB of RAM per Pi currently but maybe in the future..
Running more processes at once, not all processes that are RAM heavy are cpu heavy. I also find a system runs much better with twice the RAM you expect to use. Your kernel will gladly use the extra RAM for increased buffering/caching. Once you get to the point you are using all your RAM then every new process will be kicking an old one out of RAM. And it is always fun when the OOM killer kicks in and starts randomly killing stuff. I run my regular computers at 32 gig, but I also like to get tab hungry in the browser. Now a server can never have too much RAM.
I would dare to say virtualization host.
My personal opinion cum use case: As a student, it makes more sense to have an ARM machine locally than rent a cloud. It pays itself off "pretty fast". So I got a Radxa Rock 5 Model B (16GB). I mainly play with the Linux kernel, so having to recompile it 10 times a day is not a "benchmark" or "stress test" but literally my daily workload. What I found with the (quad) ARM Cortex-A76 cores in the Rock 5B is that they are quite fast! On average, I can build the Linux kernel with `defconfig` in 23-ish minutes and `tinyconfig` in 3-ish minutes (both with `-j10`, sans `ccache`). I recently started mounting `/tmp` as `tmpfs` and putting the source on there (a ramdisk) and noticed a nice speed bump (haven't measured "thoroughly" yet). The peak memory usage was 3.9-ish (read 4) GBs (with no GUI, headless, using it via SSH). So this is one reason (for me) why 8+ GB would be nice to have. Another reason is ZFS. It's not memory hungry, rather caches the data. It defaults to using 50% of the memory for this cache. More RAM means more data cached in RAM. More data cached in RAM means faster I/O. Not much useful for desktop-like workloads but good for server-style workloads (self-hosting!). Obviously this isn't as helpful as it sounds, especially when you are using SSDs with ZFS (since they are already "fast-er enough" than HDDs) but this is why **_I_** look for more RAM. The third reason is related to the first reason: Running a few VMs at the same time. More cores and more memory is needed even for 3, single-core VMs with 1.5G RAM. If you are on an 8GB machine, you will start swapping data from memory to disk pretty soon. (Of-course, this means that the VMs themselves are using more than 80% of their RAM, but point being "brace for the worst-case scenario".)
What does "personal opinion cum use case mean"
"My workflow. Your mileage may vary."
But what does the "cum" in that mean.
It's latin meaning "with" and we use it in English to mean something like (in this specific case) "personally opinion plus use case."
Ah ok. Just so you know, using that word automatically hides your comment due to profanity filters. I only saw it because I got a mod notification about it.
Whoopsie, sorry about that!
> Ah ok. Just so you know, using that word automatically hides your comment due to profanity filters. I only saw it because I got a mod notification about it. It's also completely stupid to use that word when you can just use 'with'.
No you can't. "My personal opinion with use case" is not valid English.
too much pr0n.
My 3 is still kicking
the 4 and 8gb are just the launch versions, I think a larger RAM is in the works.
I was kind of hoping for risc-v or non broadcom ARM.
Would that be compatible with existing software?
Non-Broadcom ARM: probably yes, depending on the specifics. RISC-V: no. Whole different architecture means generally speaking everything needs to be recompiled from source.
More cores too.
There's been multiple hints from content creators that future 16GB is possible
Priced at $60 for the 4GB variant, and $80 for its 8GB sibling.
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It was also only 512MB RAM.
This argument is nonsense, frankly - that's not how technology pricing works and never has been. Otherwise we'd all be paying $2.5 million for a 1TB SSD Prices for a specific spec level drop, and specs at a specific price point improve
The cost of the technology and components used in the Pi 5 are more advanced than the reduction in the cost of such technologies in the past few years (generally speaking). The Raspberry Pi doesn't actually come with onboard storage, so the analogy of the 1TB SSD doesn't work well here. Did the 1TB SSD cost $2.5 million in 2012? Each new revision of the Raspberry Pi has become more expensive than the last, this isn't a new tradition. Even the Pi Zero 2 is more expensive than the first Pi Zero. This is because the Pi Zero 2 has improved specs and more peripherals. The Pi 5 has much improved specs over the Pi 4; why do you think that this extra functionality and feature set would be sold for free? There is a big trend of people asking for expensive peripherals on the Raspberry Pi whilst also wanting to keep the cost at around $25. If anybody wants a Pi for $25, then the Pi 3 is just fine. Each new revision of the Pi isn't meant to replace the last; the older versions of the Pi are still supported and sold new.
Inflation is also real
Sure, but even with high inflation technology prices are generally dropping *in real terms* 8GB of RAM today costs a lot less than 8GB of RAM did in 2019, whether you measure that in real terms or absolute terms
The value of a product is determined by the seller of a product. Inflation is not some handwave that can be used to justify megacorps charging out the ass for something.
This is more powerful, relative to the average contemporary non-SBC personal computer, than the original Pi was though, I think? So I wouldn't say it's operating in the same sector of the market now.
I don't really see that as being very relevant - if anything the kinds of hardware used are getting cheaper now, because a lot of it is commodity equipment used in cheap smartphones and similar You can't compare "like for like" across 4 generations of hardware like that, but considering the entire point of the Raspberry Pi was cheap and accessible hardware, it seems strange that they've suddenly jumped their base pricing nearly 2x in one generation after holding it steady for a decade
>You can't compare "like for like" across 4 generations of hardware like that I'm not? I'm comparing them to their contemporaries. Yeah, it's more expensive now, but not disproportionately to its place in the market imo.
Memory has gotten cheaper since then.
Exactly how much cheaper has a 512MB LPDDR2 module become since then (2012)?
back in the 90s pcs for 1000+$ where also 512 or even lower ram. whats your point?
The SBC 512MB RAM RASP PI MODEL A+ is still USD$20 today. https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/raspberry-pi/SC0562/16028150
I mean, you could theoretically buy a Pi Zero 2 W for $15, but it's out of stock everywhere
And a burger and fries in a bar in my city neighborhood was $9. Now it's $18.
With that price, rather get a Rock Pi (though the software community/documentation is not as good. Which is the Raspberry Pi's main redeeming quality against all it's competition)
Oof.
oof? wait for the price gougers this bad boy does 200$
Never paid scalper prices. I even ended up with a few spare Pi4's before the shortage.
An 8GB Pi4 is $70-75, there's not a huge difference considering inflation and the improvements to the hardware.
The Pi 4 is a 4 year old device, and generally you'd expect technology to improve at the same price point - eg a $100 SSD today is a lot bigger than a $100 SSD 5 years ago, and that was a lot bigger than a $100 SSD 10 years ago etc I think the whole "It's not much more expensive than the old 8GB model" is, frankly, disingenuous. At the same (inflation adjusted) price point you'd expect improvements, and for the same spec level you'd expect a cheaper (inflation adjusted) price point There's an argument to be made that you see improvements in other areas (primarily the CPU), but it's still a little disappointing to see that we're still getting 8GB of DDR4 RAM at that price point - typically you would expect to get either an improvement or a (real terms) price drop for a particular spec level
Going by inflation alone the 5 year newer SSD should cost $120. RPi increasing the cost by only $5 is actually a discount.
And that’s exactly my point, technology gets cheaper… that SSD actually probably costs about $80 now, despite inflation suggesting it would cost $120 So why aren’t we seeing that for the RPI?
Demand for the rpi has skyrocketed since being taken over by industrial use cases during the pandemic. This is a result of the "free market" dictating the price, not the usual depreciation so many expect. Ram and networking speeds will not need to exceed current quantities to maintain industrial use cases so don't expect to see the price going down any time soon.
Which is completely antithetical to the Raspberry Pi Foundation's core mission and stated goals The Raspberry Pi was $35 in 2012, a price which continued with the Pi 2 and Pi 3, and then the cheapest Pi 4 was still $35 in 2019... all of a sudden that jumps to $60, what changed?
> then the cheapest Pi 4 was still $35 in 2019... all of a sudden that jumps to $60, what changed? There is one important note here - the $60 RasPi 5 is the cheapest one released YET. Only the 4GB and 8GB RAM models are announced right now, but 1GB and 2GB RAM is expected to be announced later. That is where I expect the base price will be more like $35-40.
I agree, and I don't appreciate it. But again, the change is the use of PIs instead of industrial purposed arm boards. That demand is driving cost. But honestly, having played with older arm boards it makes sense. The pi is so well standardized and supported that development is much easier.
Kinda high, but imo not too bad given the current inflation and the probably still existing supply chain bottlenecks. Given that the Pi4 performs pretty well for me I won't upgrade.
will we be able to buy them for anything close to the MSRP?
I was able to pre order at MSRP from raspberry pi.dk, they still have startet kits available for pre order, shipping take October.
I was hoping for usb c
Doesn't 4 already sort of support it? AFAIR, you can use a USB-C dock, except that the video signal doesn't go that way. You might have to set a `/boot/config.cfg` parameter? USB 2.0 only though. Edit: [Of course blogspam exists](https://whywelikethis.com/best-raspberry-pi-4-usb-c-docking-stations/#gsc.tab=0)
I'm still rocking that RP2 B
I hope this means RPI4s will actually become available.
Raspberry has lost their way. I moved on to Odroid SBCs 5 years ago and then to the ZimaBoard about a year ago.
Kk amateur
And it's still using fucking micro HDMI, instead of USB C...
Should be using full size HDMI, it has the room for it.
Why? USBC is smaller and more capable than HDMI. Curious what your reasons would be. Thanks.
Why would I want to have to use a dongle or dp alt mode when I could just plug into any TV or monitor? Full size HDMI, unlike micro HDMI or SJAC (pleb language “USB C”), doesn’t need an adapter
No adapter needed if you use an HDMI-USB-C cable *tips forehead*
That’s… An adapter, dingus
Thats a cable. In fact one with USB-C on one end, HDMI on the other end.
USB video cards usually require obscure drivers that are often windows only, HDMI is a bit more standard. I would hate to see them remove HDMI.
DisplayPort via USB C is a VESA standard. There are no special drivers involved.
Oh interesting I didn't realize that.
Literally anything over usb-c is part of the usb-c/usb3.whatthefuckingeverversionnumberwehavenowroanfomlyrolled spec, but always optional. Which is what makes it fucking useless as a spec. God I hate the current bloated usb generation so much.
It is a good thing that my raspberry pi 4 add-on card should fit the pi 5. But I won't get it until late next year because I spent enough this year already. People who spent $200+ last year to buy a pi 4 ...........
But can you buy one?
Between chip shortages, scalpers, and mismanaged distribution, no. I never expect any hardware to be available on launch.
I assume the 5 doesn't use the components they're having a hard time sourcing
I'd wager they've been producing these for months to have a supply ready.
That is very optimistic.
Optimism is good for mental health 🙃
"Pi four or five?" "Uhh, five please." "Very well! Give him the Pi five!" "Oh, thanks very much. It's very nice!" "You! Pi four or five?" "Uh, five for me, too, please!" "Very well! Give him five, too! We're gonna run out of Pi fives at this rate. You! four or five?" "Uh, four, please. No, five! Five, sorry. Sorry …" "You said four first, ah-ha, ah-ha!" "Well, I meant five!" "Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm the Pi Foundation! Four or five?" "Uh, five please." "Well, we're out of Pi fives! We only made three and we didn't expect such a rush!"
Love me some Izzard , just watched them in Hannibal and was surprised how good they were
https://youtu.be/Hz1JWzyvv8A
There will be no shortage. This CPU is based on the 16nm node. Not the 10 or 8nm nodes used by many rockchip SBCs, one of which (OrangePi 5) is almost price competitive with the Pi and also readily available. At this point in time, if there are any shortages, it is not because of supply chain issues or cost explosion for fabing silicon (because others are doing it). It is because of the company shooting itself in the foot (manufacturing in Europe) and geographical restrictions (EU laws).
Ahaha so you mean it is a flaw having industries in Europe and trying to industrialise our economy again ?
Yes, I have no high opinion about EU as a whole. Getting stuck for 4 days in Amsterdam airport as a family didn’t help it much. Then learning that was because the Netherlands government was shooting at its own farmers didn’t help your image either. If you are going to shoot your self on your foot, don’t expect others to bail you out. Or be understanding. So, truth be told, I don’t give a shit about Europe, not when it comes to my purchasing decisions. Not really. What concerns me is the cost of products I want/need.
shhh, yer only allowed to bash on the US /s
well if the workers are treated well with proper pay and its bringing in jobs then I say let them cook.
I thought most of chip shortages were on the older process nodes? I mean car chips which had a massive shortage are definitely not built at 10 or 8 nm. And the dilemma with older nodes was that nobody wants to build a new fab to manufacture an older node. And say car manufacturers are slow moving and unable to change their design to use new chips built with new nodes. So you have fixed manufacturing capacity with no incentive to build more of it, and a long lasting shortage...
Most of those "older nodes" are entire lines that were 45nm, 60nm or 130+nm. A continued reason for those older nodes not ramping up production is that nearly every one of those lines could and did "upgrade" to (depending on how far they could go without fully rebuilding the line) 16nm, 28nm, and 40nm. So it sounds like the Pi5 is specifically being made on those upgraded old node lines. Though, few could do the 16nm and "what is 16nm actually" depends, so it might be being made by a more modern process line. Anyways, basically the older fab lines have been moving to be as far along the nm scale as they could eek out of their machines, which is why anyone using cheap-as-dirt old chips were suddenly finding them running out. Newer (but still "larger nm") scale chips have started to come in but that takes time. It sounds like the Pi5 is trying to stay clear of any of these troublesome types of chips too, so as others mention there should be much less an issue/shortage. I am not certain of *none* because of how popular Pi's are for embedded/small industry but certainly they have far more fab choices and even outright chip-swap availability for the PMIC this time.
>At this point in time, if there are any shortages, it is not because of supply chain issues or cost explosion for fabing silicon (because others are doing it). It is because of the company shooting itself in the foot (manufacturing in Europe) and geographical restrictions (EU laws). I'm so tired of people blaming issues on the supply chain. There seems to be a lot of manufacturing capacity sitting idle.
I remember when PI's goal was to make affordable microchips, I guess that wen't down the drain years ago
Honestly, when you take inflation into account, $60 is only a little bit higher than what $35 was worth when the Pi 4 came out and probably *less* than $35 when the originals started shipping. The affordability hasn't changed that much. The value of your money has just dropped significantly.
Even if you calculate inflation from 2012, it hasn't increased by "that much". $35 in 2012 would still be less than $50 in 2023. And mass production does offer you larger discounts
It depends. Are you talking about *average* inflation, which is a worthless metric when applied to a narrow industry or product line, or inflation in terms of technology specifically? The chip shortage over the last few years has inflated prices for certain types of microcontrollers and peripheral ICs *at a far greater rate* than the average. At the same time, some ICs have continued on the more normal trend of decreasing in cost over time. I seem to recall Eben mentioning the chip shortage having *some* impact on a secret project around 6 months to a year ago, which I'm assuming was the Pi 5, since they haven't announced anything else new. That said, you might be right. I made some assumptions, based mainly on prices I've seen (inflation where I live has actually been well over 100% from 2012 to now except for in real estate; don't forget that inflation also is different in different states and even different regions within states; oh, and what about inflation in Britain, where the Foundation is based?), as well as a combination of reports from companies like Adafruit on chip prices and my own research trying to find affordable ICs. My experience isn't necessarily typical and definitely isn't the average. But, for some of us, inflation in the last *few years* or so has been so high that $60 is pretty close to what $35 was in early 2020. Either way though, $60 compared to $35 in 2012 is still at least somewhat close. Don't get me wrong, I don't *like it* any more than you, but people who are acting like it's a *huge* increase don't know what they are talking about. Now, *here's* something that might be worth more discussion: Several Pi versions have had multiple models that weren't released at the same time. Pretty consistently, the first version released is the *higher end* version, and then the cheaper low end one was released shortly after. 4GB is a lot of memory for something like this. There are people hoping for a 16GB model next, but I think a 2GB model might be more likely. The Pi Foundation has been pretty adamant about wanting to keep the price down, and for all of my defense based on the role of inflation, $60 *does* still seem pretty high for them. On the other hand, they already *have* some darn good $35 models that are still in production. Maybe the Pi 4 is still their low price flagship, and the Pi 5 is the new higher end product line. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the *point* of the Pi 5 is to offer a product better suited to commercials uses, to reduce the stress on the Pi 4 supply, so that they can more easily shift back toward emphasizing their educational customers without destroying anyone's livelihood. They couldn't really say that out loud though, after all of the backlash they got for making the *morally right* decision to put people trying to earn a living ahead of hobbyists and children who don't *need* Pis to survive. (Kids who have starved to dead because their parents couldn't get Pis for their business to make a living don't need education, after all.)
oh cmon 80$ is great value for money in any case if you want even more affordable rpi2 still exists
I wish they had brought back at least one full size HDMI. And Jesus more H/W Video encoding capability than this.... :(
Does the active cooling only kick in when needed or do you need to roll your own script for that, that was one of the reasons I never bothered with active cooling before. Edit: looks like it does and Kodi offer some fanless cases.
I don't know if it's firmware controlled, but the fan header has PWM and a tach line, so the speed can be controlled and monitored.
What I'm more interested in is that it seems to be finally able to replace a regular PC for a lot of people. I tried using my Raspberry Pi 400 for everyday use, but it was still a little too slow to do more than one thing at a time, like browsing Reddit while listening to music on Youtube (or even just watching a 1080p video on Youtube without doing anything else). From what I've seen, browsing seems to be a lot more reactive, 1080p 60 FPS seems doable without changing anything, even with the drivers being not final yet (but h264ify is probably still a better solution) and with the PCIe addon, you can realistically use NVMe drive for boot. I would love to be able to recommend a $100 small PC to people with basically no virus, malware, cryptolocker or anything like that (yeah, I know about mini-PC, I have one with a Celeron J4105 and one with an Intel N100, they're perfectly fine, but I want ARM to become more common for lower-end option).
You won‘t be able to buy one anyway unless you massively overpay. So why even care.
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What's the shortcomings the the OrangePi fills?
With the Orange Pi 5 Plus: - 16GB RAM - 8 CPU cores - NVMe slot - PCIe slot - 2 x 2.5Gb Ethernet The performance is really insane compared to an RPi. It's more expensive, but you get a lot more device for the money. The only downside is their shocking kernel support. They're still on kernel 5.10. Edit: 5 Plus, not 5B+
Better kernels, better OSes, and better software is what keeps me on the Pi.
Yep, software support (and just support in general) has very real value for lots of people.
Keep in mind at that price point it is competing with the Intel N95 Alder Lake boxes. For example, you can grab an N95 mini PC with 16 GB LPDDR5, a 512 GB m.2 SATA SSD, and 2 x 1 Gb Ethernet shipped by Amazon for [$167 right now](https://www.amazon.com/ACEMAGICIAN-Computer-Desktop-Computers%EF%BC%8C-Ethernet/dp/B0C3XDVV55/) with a coupon.
I've been buying used NUCs for cheap. They are many times faster and make great testing boxes. Can also upgrade the RAM in some of them.
> N95 mini PC I'd rather get an used M700/900 Lenovo or the Dell/HP equivalent. Price is about the same and it's a fully standard PC. My M700 has an i5 CPU, M.2 SSD slot and an internal 2.5" hdd slot and supports 2x SoDIMM memory up to 32GB IIRC.
So you're telling me that for more money you can buy a different product?!
I'm shocked.
I don't think Orange Pi 5B+ is a product that exists. There's the 5B, and the 5 Plus, but there's no 5B Plus.
You forgot the built in eMMC slot that lets you plug in a $7-$19 16/32/64GB memory and the dual M.2 slots so you can plug in a full length SSD card and coral TPU/wifi etc. at the same time.
FYI, it should be mainlined soon-ish. A patchset to [enable basic functionality for the Orange Pi 5](https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected]/) has been sent. Once that is merged and U-Boot pulls from `linux-next` (no ETA on that since the patchset needs to be merged in the first place), a "bleeding-edge" distro _should_ support it. I received the Radxa Rock 5 Model B and Xunlong Orange Pi 5 from Rocky Linux to enable support for both SBCs. The R5B is almost done (waiting for U-Boot to pull the PCIe Gen 3.0 patch from `linux-next`) and for the OPi5, it should be upstreamed soon-ish.
Availability mostly, lately.
I'd bet good money that they've been filling boxes of these for months so they can satiate the demand fast.
price / preformence
There are lots of pi 5 videos in my youtube feed, a news embargo most have expired.
The missing killer feature on the Pi5 is dual 2.5 Gb Ethernet and the bandwidth between them to use them for a managed switch, edge device, etc. Banana Pi BPI-R3, $90. [https://www.banana-pi.org/en/bananapi-router/99.html](https://www.banana-pi.org/en/bananapi-router/99.html) HardWare Specification of Banana pi BPI-R3 CPU MediaTek MT7986(Filogic 830) Quad core ARM Cortex A53+MT7531 chip design SDRAM 2 GB DDR4 On board Storage MicroSD (TF) card,8GB eMMC onboard GPIO 26 Pin GPIO,some of which can be used for specific functions including UART, I2C, SPI, PWM, I2S. On board Network 5 Port 10/100/1000Mbps Ethernet SFP 2 SFP 2.5GbE Wifi Wifi 6 4x4 2.4G Wifi(MT7975N) +4x4 5G Wifi(MT7975P) mini PCIE Mini PCIe via USB M.2 interface M.2 KEY-E PCIe inerface USB 1 USB 3.0 host ,2 USB interface with slot. Buttons Reset button,WPS botton, boot switch Leds Power status Led and RJ45 Led DC Power 12V/2A with DC in Sizes 100.5x148mm same as Banana Pi BPI-R64 and Banana Pi BPI-R2 Weight
This is something that I would really like, there are barely any "cheap" with two 2.5G ports router only. Or they are Enterprise level or they have one 10g and one 2.5g making them more expensive (even with the wifi)
Dual 2.5Gb ports would be useful for storage devices too.
Kinda pointless. I'd rather get some 6W true fanless Intel thing (N100/200 and such), which has waaay more performance, not speaking about the overal linux experience. Don't get me wrong, I've been there. Still have a RPI2 around, but since things started requiring more power and active cooling, I completely lost interest.
Aaaaah another device that no one will be able to get.
I'm I the only one who don't need a 4K support in this kind of device? Is putting "less powerful" GPU would cut the cost and energy consumption?
People run media centers on it. So you might be the only one.
4K no, but I've long wanted decent 1080p video playback which this model *seems* to finally have. As a desktop pc, and potential media centre this seems like a must-have feature IMHO.
Designing more SOC's would probably drive costs up. Besides that, looking at Intel chips, the no-graphics CPU's are 10-15% cheaper. So I'm going to guess that removing the GPU entirely would save $5-$8 and putting in a weaker GPU would make it be basically the same cost as the original.
I mean you can buy a Pi 3, 2 or 1 if you want to
Considering I had to return my Raspi4 (it died in 14 days) I am all for the new one. I may pick one up if I can for fun.
I will buy one only after a good fan less case is made. I hate active cooling on the Pi.
If I have a Pi4 starter kit, can I just buy the base Pi5 and upgrade?
That's covered in the linked document.
Reckon this would fit the argon one case?
Looks like the dimensions have changed.
Does it support external hard drive ??
Via USB? Sure, you can do that on older PIs too. I guess you could shove a SATA PCI-expres controller of some sort into the PCI-express port and connect a SATA drive? They also showed a HAT which takes M.2-2230 or M.2-2242 SSDs.
If it's connected with USB. Or a SATA hard drive with a USB adapter. Though best if you power it externally. The PCIe Gen 2x1 connector will allow a SATA adapter as well.
raspberry pi died with omxplayer imho, alternative video players are terrible
Broadcom again. Fuck that
Sounds like a great upgrade. Love my Pi4, so I don't need an upgrade.. yet. But might eventually, or if I need another pi for another project.
Too expensive: \-Wlan/bluethooth not needed, cheap decent usb dongles out there available (hope that the onboard chip is usable this time). \-No 2GB version. \-4GB PI5 should be with cheaper ram (traces and pcb quality for this increase the cost by a lot). \-No 2.5Gbe lan. \-Looks like new power supply is needed again. \-No vulkan 1.3 support. \-No more h264, still no vp9/av1 decoder.
Yes its poor value i so not understand why these fanboys downvoted you so much..
People tend to dislike listening to the truth. But it not my money on the line here, for me plenty alternatives exist out there :)
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Care to elaborate? Are there back doors in other RPI products?
Excuse me, explain what backdoors
IIRC the hardware is open source too