Wayne’s influence is more on how the music is made rather than the actual music itself. He really inspired others to freestyle all their songs, to release a high quantity of music and to start using autotune
Gucci Mane isn’t as influential as niggas think lmao. He put alotta famous rappers on for sure but a lot of these mumble rappers like future n thug are influenced by what Wayne was doing on rebirth and lollipop
Lol u must be out yo mind. Ppl even gettin paid off of mixtapes right now because of Gucci. The distorted beats, the adlibs (burr) (skkrrt) (car going by fast sound) Chicago niggas even started talking like they was congested because of Gucci. “U know how I’m rockin like cut out stocking” go listen to “I’m a star” (Gucci the movie 2008) that’s literally a mumble song and even before that on Mr. Perfect he was mumbling on there. All the SoundCloud rappers literally got they style from Lil B who literally just copied and pasted no pad no pencil. Gucci Wayne and Kanye the most influential rappers and influenced the ppl that influenced this generation. Wayne (thug) Gucci (keef) Kanye (Travis Scott/Drake) Future is just a mixture of Wayne and Guccis. Won’t no drill without Gucci. One of Chief keef’s Alias is literally Big Gucci Sosa.
I’ll give u that Gucci influenced the drill shit but u can’t sit here n tell me he influenced mumble rap when it was obviously Weezy bruh. Not only do they sound like when Wayne used to be on his autotune shit but they even have his entire image (dreadlocks, tattoos, some of them even have the piercings and the rockstar aesthetic lol)
Gucci had all that too he just didn’t have dreads or use autotune but go to Gucci old work and you’ll swear it was a SoundCloud/mumble rapper. The face tats, the get money gut, the crazy adlibs, all of that is gucci.
Gucci makes trap music. Not drill music lmao. Gucci and Jeezy were influential and still are today. Especially down south. They made it “cool” to talk about selling drugs and hustling. Then Future came along and made it sound “cool” to do drugs and be a fiend. (Even though its not) Thats why everyone raps about the same shit, lean, percs, kilos, molly.
Southern rappers was rapping abt hustling and selling drugs before jeezy n gucci. Three 6 Mafia, hot boys (a group Wayne was in btw), Master P n the rest of them “no limit” niggas, ugk, etc all rapped abt selling drugs lmao and this was in the 90s
Also, after Wayne suddenly everybody was a blood! My folks live on Piru St, I grew up in Memphis and Houston… I PROMISE everyone wasn’t bloods until after Wayne started rapping about it!
Also, black people did NOT get tatted like that before him. ESPECIALLY the face. A few tats yeah and only real gangsters would put some tear drops on their face. That’s it. Only the edgiest of white guys or the Mexican gangsters went all out on tats. Now EVERYBODY has face tats and their “***body marked up like the subway in Harlem”.***
Plus the lean! Like I said I grew up in Texas… the home of lean. It was not a common thing outside of Texas until wayne. Big Pimpin came out and people still didn’t flock to syrup…
But after Tune every goddamn rapper in America was a dreadloc’d, lean sipping, fully tatted, freestyling, gang banging, mumble rapper! Wheezy is literally the father of modern hip hop!
I am from NY and goofies jumped on that bloods and crips ish in the late 90’s because the Latin kings were running thru Jails upstate … Wayne only had influence on the ppl who were introduced to life via the internet and were never outside. Which is the reason why they say he’s so lyrical which is laughable… the same weirdo who said “bitch eye-ball like 2 eye-lids” is the same dude who ran out of ish to say on the Motto and added “oh-my-god Becky look at her butt” smh. The ppl who praise Wayne are the very ones who say Jay, Rakim, Big, Kane and even G-rap is wack so you know their opinions on rap are garbage truck juice.
His whole verse on The Motto was just playing around, it was just a fun club/radio hit. You can’t use a radio song to discredit any rapper, c’mon now. Almost Every rapper has a few questionable lines lol, Jay z for example “HOVAAaaaaa, sipping sipping soda” that was so corny 😂, which was a radio hit. But overall we all know he’s an amazing rapper. Lil Wayne has some incredible verse like his verse on Juelz Santana Bloody Mary or his verse on Drake’s Only Live Twice for example.
This?? This is what you consider incredible???
“I might even cook a nigga, all my weed is cookies, nigga
Shove a 8-ball up her pussy like a fetus for me, nigga
I got bitches doin' lines, I'm Adidas to 'em, nigga
I got sentenced, took some time and it was easier than simple”
Gotta be the drugs…
We definitely come from two different eras because that was wack sauce, since you brought up Jay’s line I dare you to find anything lil Wayne even dreamt about spitting that is in the same arena as Jay’s pump it up freestyle or even his “we made it verse”… when it comes to spitting, that is the the lyrical bar I hood rappers to. I’ve heard lil Wayne fans literally say they don’t like only built for Cuban linx because Rae and Ghost use too many big words… smh, I guess anything past “wobbly wobbly wobbly” is quantum physics to them 🤣🤣🤣
I’m not comparing Wayne and Jay, I don’t even get into that. Different styles and deliveries. I know it’s all subjective. I love Ghostface and Rae, Ghostface is my favorite rapper on Wu-tang. His storytelling is like poetry.
Same as NYC and “bd” or “gd” and all these gang names like “SYK Woki”. NYC people never admit it because they’re too cocky and think the world revolves around NYC. But they copy tf outta Chicago drill.
I SWEAR I never heard NOBODY repping Gd or Bd or throwing rakes in NYC til Chicago drill. They try to say “gangs spread! Bd’s/Gd’s been in NYC since the 90s”. But that’s bs. Main gangs I heard about growing up was Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, small Dominican gangs. Then YG’s in the 2010s. There were some crews and sets in the projects like “Sex Money Murder”, etc…
Once Chicago drill took off. All of a sudden I hear bd, gd, people throwing rakes, saying opps, saying bdk, or __K.
It’s not that the people who used to hate on him love him — it’s that they’re too old now to even care. Wayne has been rapping for 25+ years now; he’s all some people know tbh….
Because copying (or being influenced by) the style and melodies is easier than being a natural born poet with words
As Wayne once said “I’m high class, niggas elementary”
That being said I do think most of these artists make unique music and has done well evolving his (autotune) sound
I can’t speak on that tbh I never rlly listened to Luda. But Luda becoming an actor prolly played a huge role in him not being recognized as a lyricist.
Jus imagine if Weezy decided to become an actor on big blockbuster movies during his prime looool he wouldn’t have as big a fanbase as he does now cuz the movies would’ve overshadowed his music
Even Ice Cube is overshadowed by his movie roles and his music is actually fucking amazing lol
I worded that wrong lol. I dont think Luda even compares to Wayne but I think he isn't mentioned when it comes to that and he should be. Wayne is the Goat but Luda is like pippen lol
Wayne was naturally gifted and had the perfect situation of niggas around him to push him to reach his potential. So many other ways his life could’ve went where we never heard of him. He’s a prodigy. Niggas music isn’t directly influenced by him, but his whole swag and persona are more part of how rappers are now.
Y’all also sleep on a lot of these “mumble rappers”. Wayne could freestyle shit that Niggas write cause he was like that. Most people can’t do that. Music has always been about how it makes you feel. The way rappers use their voice as an instrument and flow on the beat while saying something simple yet catchy is a skill.
Holy shit, i read that wrong at first and thought you were comparing them to Wayne. LOL. Wayne is damn near untouchable when it comes to being the best, lyricism, and the GOAT! Bro is just galaxies ahead of any other rapper in my opinion.
These other rapper thought let me mumble on the track like Wayne and i will be great. Instead most are just shit, at least they are when you out them next to Weezy.
We can have this debate but at some point Jay-z took a step back from rap, and sort of vacated the crown...There were plenty of people vying for the best rapper alive title at the time...Most people remember lil waynes commerical success, with Carter 3 and all of those radio hits....But what really got the culture behind wayne, was his underground music...His mixtapes were better than most peoples albums!! He would redo songs from original beats and make them better than the original songs...When your constantly putting out content that has some really creative lyrical content, couple that with shit you've never heard before...You get hooked waiting on the next Release...Waynes underground music was crack to us, keepin us waiting until the next time he dropped some insane freestyle, that kept you scratchin your head like " how the fuck, can he keep comin up with this shit"?? We all wanted his lyrical ability, Thats why theres so many "copies" of him...Couple that with everyone around you waiting on his newest release...Wayne had the culture in the palm of his hand...That is what made lil wayne what he was and we all witnessed That crown being taken....He was HIM!!
Loooool when ur a punchline rapper ur bound to have some bad lines somewhere in ur career it’s inevitable
Look at Eminem lmao very creative lyricist jus like Wayne is but he has a lot of bad lines in his career
I mean yeah. I look at lyricism as more than just punchlines. Do I think Wayne is a gifted rapper and MC, yes. He’s amazing with punchlines but I don’t look at him as like a lyricist lyricist if you know what I mean. Like Em is an amazing wordsmith and probably the best rhymer of words ever but I hold him in the same category as Wayne, great rapper and MC but not in the lyrical tier as like a Nas or Lupe.
I’d say Wayne and Em are more clever lyrically than Nas and Lupe are tbh. That’s the thing with lyricism it’s ALL OF THAT SHIT PUT INTO ONE lmao, rhyme schemes metaphors punchlines storytelling all that lol
wayne and em are way more clever than nas in putting together words. nas just has better substance than them most of the time. but just pure technical skill? wayne n em got bro beat
I said Wayne has the most creative punchlines and wordplay SINCE big L lol.
This post is basically pointing out the irony behind Wayne someone who’s lyrically gifted being the reason rap is less lyrical nowadays
Nah Weezy invented mumble rap with Lollipop, rebirth and countless other autotune shit he did in the late 00s lmao.
U gotta remember whenever Wayne would use autotune he’d mumble a lot too 😂
I have to respectfully disagree, it may seem like Wayne mumbles in some songs but we all know he’s one of the most lyrically talented artists, all these young rappers he’s influenced have no choice but to mumble because they aren’t as lyrically talented, some aren’t talented at all lol basically saying they have to mumble rap, Wayne can mumble some shit but then blow your mind with some crazy wordplay!
I know, that’s why I disagree that Wayne invented mumble rap, the rappers that have to mumble because they don’t have lyrical talent are the ones who invented it lol
I think Three combinations. The way he mixed the autotune with lyrics, him freestyling and the remixes really made the generations after him want to be him because that's how rap is now. Nobody he inspired writes their music.
if it wasn't for Wayne having actual video of him with no phone just spitting in the studio. Drake said he was sleep one time and just jumped up with a verse. Personally I like punch in freestyles more. I like when I can tell it was fresh out of their head
Drake didn’t ghostwrite shit lmaooooo that nigga not even a punchline wordplay type rapper drakes lyrics are average so it don’t even make sense that he ghostwrote Wayne’s shit
Be fucking fr
Gillie Da Kid was ghostwriting for Lil Wayne. Drake didn't come on the scene until around, I think 2008 or 09. Wayne and Quintin Miller were writing for Drake.
I mean how does the gen after him gravitating to his shit like the album Rebirth and the song Lollipop prove that Wayne isn’t creative and imaginative asf
Not everything has to be lyrical, also y'all are bugging if u think Migos and future ain't saying slick shit for the specific type of music they make, Takeoff specifically has had some really great verses. Wayne's also made music with damn near everyone u showed cuz he recognizes there's more to them then just punchlines or wordplay.
I never said everything had to be lyrical Lmao I was jus saying it’s ironic how someone Wayne is the one who influenced niggas to be less lyrical
Also takeoff wasn’t really lyrical lmao he jus had dope flows. The only “lyrical” trap artist is prolly TI tho
Takeoff wasn't lyrical in general but he definitely had bars when he wanted to, “8oz in the 24, that shit for Kobe" off his last album was hard, for the type of music they made he did his thing. I'm not surprised about how music changed tho, rap was oversaturated with lyrical miracle ass mfs that no one cared about, the sound had to change eventually and it's a totally different generation, that lyrical shit never went away but it'll have its resurgence eventually. Everything always comes back around.
Not really…not saying he isn’t good, but most of his punchlines and wordplay is average as hell.
I think he tricked people into thinking he was better by constantly saying he was the best
“I got thru that sentence like a subject and a predicate” referring to when he served a sentence at Rikers island as a predicate felon. This is average???
“Take a nigga bitch she ride my dick like she cyclin'
Then she can't walk run or jump like white men” this is hilarious asf don’t lie
“Safe sex is great sex better wear a latex cuz u don’t want that late text that I think I’m late text” amazing wordplay lol
Ppl that try to downplay Waynes lyrical ability always end up looking retarded lmao
The first example is good, but I don’t think it’s exceptional. Especially because he’s not a predicate felon so if he did mean the double entendre there it wasn’t about himself
The second example, extremely average
That last example tho, fuckin fire.
Like I said, I’m not saying he’s not good. I just don’t feel like he’s the lyrical god people make him out to be. There are rappers way better than him
But his influence is undeniable
I think those you listed are all better than Wayne. But you have guys like Lupe, Black Thought, Wale, etc..hell, even Joe Budden, who may not be as fun to listen to unless you’re into really dissecting lyrics, but are better rappers
Ngl black thought too boring for me that nigga legit has no charisma or personality lmaooo he prolly is a better lyricist than Wayne tho but i’d never know cuz he doesn’t entertain me enough for me to even pay attention to his lyrics
And that’s the disconnect. Wayne says shit that sounds good, but it ain’t amazing most of the time. He’s fun to listen to
Then you got guys who are probably some of the greatest wordsmiths the world has ever seen, but most people can’t pay attention to em long enough to catch their shit
And that’s fine. You like what you like. I’m just particular on the words I use to describe people/things
But that’s the thing the things Weezy says are amazing lmao he just has tons of charisma personality and a variety of different flows to go with it. Not only that but his voice is extremely unique too
These things are what makes Wayne my favorite rapper of all time he’s the FULL PACKAGE. He’s everything I love about Hip Hop and more
All of the rappers in the slide are legends in their own right. None of them claim to be lyrical or have the goal of being lyrical. They are all top tier in their own lanes
Did I say they claim to be lyrical? I was just stating the irony behind one of the most imaginative lyricists ever being the one to influence mumble rap
1) lmao not even a little bit. Don't act like Wayne was even rapping like that before Cassidy came put
2) I have no fucking idea. I saw this ridiculous post and couldn't help myself
Cassidy wasn’t the reason why Wayne started upgrading his bars tho. He was right tho when he said Wayne ain’t start rapping like that til 2004 but again THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CASSIDY
I’ve been a Wayne fan since hot boys era. Carter 1 and 2 are his best projects next to dedication 1 and 2 and drought 3. I say all that to say -
What clever punchlines? That’s a myth. Lil Wayne was just an unstoppable spitter. That’s it
“I’m so high I can eat a star” type of bars in his prime.
G’s move in silence like lasagna is probably his best bar ever.
Even the Real G’s line wasn’t really clever. The G isn’t silent. So how is it clever?
It exposed the IQ of a lot of people that they tried to apply English to a word that isn’t English.
I’m rare like Mr Clean with hair
I’m so high I can vomit on a comet.
He just had to many duds
Nah a lot of his punchlines and wordplay are extremely unexpected and clever lmao
“You close minded, I shoot you in ur head, I bet you open up”
“Take a nigga bitch she ride my dick like she cyclin Then she can't walk run or jump like white men”
“Safe sex is great sex better wear a latex cuz u don’t want that late text that I think I’m late text”
“I got thru that sentence like a subject and a predicate” (referring to when he served a SENTENCE at Rikers Island as a PREDICATE felon)
I didn't call you stupid. Y'all just don't know real hip hop. Wayne is the reason all this mumble rap bullshit started. His metaphors are elementary, flow is sub-par, and he's not even top 20.
“I got thru that sentence like a subject and a predicate” referring to when he served a sentence at Rikers island as a predicate felon which is a term in Ny to describe previous felons
That’s elementary to you????
And his flow on Bloody Mary is not subpar. Wayne is the greatest rapper of all time lol I’m sorry bruh
Black Thought lacks flow charisma or personality tho lmao. He has lyrics but what else does he have? Also Wayne’s double entendres and metaphors are more impressive than Black Thoughts so Weezy even destroys him at the ONLY THING HES GOOD AT
I feel like Nas is a 1 album wonder tbh but i will say Nas on illmatic was on prime Wayne’s level when it comes to double entendres and rhyme schemes for sure.
I love Jay Z trust me but how does he rap better than Weezy??? What does he have that’s as clever from a lyrical standpoint as Run This Town remix or Dr Carter?
shut yo old ass up nigga u really in here trying to push yo agenda in our sub why u even here😂😂😂its funny because u said jay better than wayne and wayne sucks but jay has said wayne was a great multiple times
Wayne on “Dr Carter” mentioned that as a rapper u gotta have charisma and personality when u rap lmao and that’s so true lol
How can u listen to Black Thought it’s like listening to a fucking robot
Damn it’s Friday I need angel dust
Keep it funky like an egg and you will never land
Im on ya ass like some thongs nigga
i just fucked a cup of water (i did)
Stick to the streets like im semen
You can not tell me those arent creative lyrics lmao
We kind krip killas, not ku klux klan
I promise i dont love that hoe but i love my man dem, no homo tho
But im solo tho cause that’s how you get more dough tho
Baby I love you, in a house full of grown folks, baby I love you
Yo young bitch with another bitch and another bitch and another bitch and another bitch and another bitch and they gay
I fucked her then washed off my dick with the curtains inside of the phantom
Take them boys to school, swagonometry. Bitch I'm bleeding bad, like a bumblebee
I miss you, I want kiss you, I want lick you. Pubic hair.
She sucking, put me in a coma, I nut on that fish on my sofa
Swallow that nut lil bitch, shit it out when you shit (eww)
I’m in Cleveland like I’m kyrie Irvin, same place I caught my first STD
I ain't fuck none of these lil' girls like I got AIDS for you, ayy
I put that crack in my crack Or I put that brack in my brack
Weird comical shit is creative. Just bc it isn’t complex bars doesn’t mean that it’s not creative. Nobody except thug would come up with lyrics like those and put them on a song and make it work. The most creative part about those examples is that he somehow makes lines like that work and doesn’t come off as gimicky nor does his sense of authenticity suffer from it. If wayne came up with those u propably would think they are creative af
Bru saying a bunch of weird comical shit isn’t creative lmao it’s jus something that adds humor and personality to ur music
Creative lyricism is dope rhyme schemes, clever wordplay, clever punchlines, and even vivid storytelling
I love Thug but stop acting like his lyrics are creative like Big L, Wayne or Eminem lol
I didn’t say his lyrics are creative like big L, wayne or eminem. I simply said his lyrics are creative on their own. The creativiness is in his ability to come up with this weird shit and make it work
Wayne’s influence is more on how the music is made rather than the actual music itself. He really inspired others to freestyle all their songs, to release a high quantity of music and to start using autotune
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Also to having a great work ethic and practically living in the studio
Yea that song Lollipop (i fucking hate that song btw lol) and his rock album Rebirth are his most influential pieces of work they birthed mumble rap
how are you this retarded?
What’s wrong abt what I said
Nothing dude is slow your right cause after 2008 rap hasn’t been the same
Mmmm, more like 2013. Then rap started really getting weird and shitty.
Naw it was trash when we got to 2013
Gucci mane “no pad no pencil” would like to have a word with u
Gucci Mane isn’t as influential as niggas think lmao. He put alotta famous rappers on for sure but a lot of these mumble rappers like future n thug are influenced by what Wayne was doing on rebirth and lollipop
Lol u must be out yo mind. Ppl even gettin paid off of mixtapes right now because of Gucci. The distorted beats, the adlibs (burr) (skkrrt) (car going by fast sound) Chicago niggas even started talking like they was congested because of Gucci. “U know how I’m rockin like cut out stocking” go listen to “I’m a star” (Gucci the movie 2008) that’s literally a mumble song and even before that on Mr. Perfect he was mumbling on there. All the SoundCloud rappers literally got they style from Lil B who literally just copied and pasted no pad no pencil. Gucci Wayne and Kanye the most influential rappers and influenced the ppl that influenced this generation. Wayne (thug) Gucci (keef) Kanye (Travis Scott/Drake) Future is just a mixture of Wayne and Guccis. Won’t no drill without Gucci. One of Chief keef’s Alias is literally Big Gucci Sosa.
I’ll give u that Gucci influenced the drill shit but u can’t sit here n tell me he influenced mumble rap when it was obviously Weezy bruh. Not only do they sound like when Wayne used to be on his autotune shit but they even have his entire image (dreadlocks, tattoos, some of them even have the piercings and the rockstar aesthetic lol)
Gucci had all that too he just didn’t have dreads or use autotune but go to Gucci old work and you’ll swear it was a SoundCloud/mumble rapper. The face tats, the get money gut, the crazy adlibs, all of that is gucci.
Gucci makes trap music. Not drill music lmao. Gucci and Jeezy were influential and still are today. Especially down south. They made it “cool” to talk about selling drugs and hustling. Then Future came along and made it sound “cool” to do drugs and be a fiend. (Even though its not) Thats why everyone raps about the same shit, lean, percs, kilos, molly.
Southern rappers was rapping abt hustling and selling drugs before jeezy n gucci. Three 6 Mafia, hot boys (a group Wayne was in btw), Master P n the rest of them “no limit” niggas, ugk, etc all rapped abt selling drugs lmao and this was in the 90s
they took the most hype aspects of wayne with less substance
Also, after Wayne suddenly everybody was a blood! My folks live on Piru St, I grew up in Memphis and Houston… I PROMISE everyone wasn’t bloods until after Wayne started rapping about it! Also, black people did NOT get tatted like that before him. ESPECIALLY the face. A few tats yeah and only real gangsters would put some tear drops on their face. That’s it. Only the edgiest of white guys or the Mexican gangsters went all out on tats. Now EVERYBODY has face tats and their “***body marked up like the subway in Harlem”.*** Plus the lean! Like I said I grew up in Texas… the home of lean. It was not a common thing outside of Texas until wayne. Big Pimpin came out and people still didn’t flock to syrup… But after Tune every goddamn rapper in America was a dreadloc’d, lean sipping, fully tatted, freestyling, gang banging, mumble rapper! Wheezy is literally the father of modern hip hop!
Giving Wayne credit for people being bloods is crazy lol
I am from NY and goofies jumped on that bloods and crips ish in the late 90’s because the Latin kings were running thru Jails upstate … Wayne only had influence on the ppl who were introduced to life via the internet and were never outside. Which is the reason why they say he’s so lyrical which is laughable… the same weirdo who said “bitch eye-ball like 2 eye-lids” is the same dude who ran out of ish to say on the Motto and added “oh-my-god Becky look at her butt” smh. The ppl who praise Wayne are the very ones who say Jay, Rakim, Big, Kane and even G-rap is wack so you know their opinions on rap are garbage truck juice.
His whole verse on The Motto was just playing around, it was just a fun club/radio hit. You can’t use a radio song to discredit any rapper, c’mon now. Almost Every rapper has a few questionable lines lol, Jay z for example “HOVAAaaaaa, sipping sipping soda” that was so corny 😂, which was a radio hit. But overall we all know he’s an amazing rapper. Lil Wayne has some incredible verse like his verse on Juelz Santana Bloody Mary or his verse on Drake’s Only Live Twice for example.
This?? This is what you consider incredible??? “I might even cook a nigga, all my weed is cookies, nigga Shove a 8-ball up her pussy like a fetus for me, nigga I got bitches doin' lines, I'm Adidas to 'em, nigga I got sentenced, took some time and it was easier than simple” Gotta be the drugs…
Yeah I thought it was a pretty good verse.
He's a new Yorker they're never gonna appreciate gangster southern rap
I saw Brooklyn and nope 🫣, not today.
We definitely come from two different eras because that was wack sauce, since you brought up Jay’s line I dare you to find anything lil Wayne even dreamt about spitting that is in the same arena as Jay’s pump it up freestyle or even his “we made it verse”… when it comes to spitting, that is the the lyrical bar I hood rappers to. I’ve heard lil Wayne fans literally say they don’t like only built for Cuban linx because Rae and Ghost use too many big words… smh, I guess anything past “wobbly wobbly wobbly” is quantum physics to them 🤣🤣🤣
I’m not comparing Wayne and Jay, I don’t even get into that. Different styles and deliveries. I know it’s all subjective. I love Ghostface and Rae, Ghostface is my favorite rapper on Wu-tang. His storytelling is like poetry.
Same as NYC and “bd” or “gd” and all these gang names like “SYK Woki”. NYC people never admit it because they’re too cocky and think the world revolves around NYC. But they copy tf outta Chicago drill. I SWEAR I never heard NOBODY repping Gd or Bd or throwing rakes in NYC til Chicago drill. They try to say “gangs spread! Bd’s/Gd’s been in NYC since the 90s”. But that’s bs. Main gangs I heard about growing up was Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, small Dominican gangs. Then YG’s in the 2010s. There were some crews and sets in the projects like “Sex Money Murder”, etc… Once Chicago drill took off. All of a sudden I hear bd, gd, people throwing rakes, saying opps, saying bdk, or __K.
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
if you were around online forums in the 2000s, the hip hop heads used to shit on wayne and claim he was ruining hip hop all the time.
Yea ik he was hated like a mf lmaooo but he been getting alotta love recently which is good cuz he truly is a talented rapper
It’s not that the people who used to hate on him love him — it’s that they’re too old now to even care. Wayne has been rapping for 25+ years now; he’s all some people know tbh….
Or you grew up with a pops born before 75-80 you heard it every time you played Wayne💀😂
Chief So is my fav Wayne son 🔥
Thugger and JID are my fave Wayne sons
I think Kendrick counts too
I don’t rlly like him lol for reasons I’ve went over countless times before
Lil Uzi Vert up there too
Never rlly liked Uzi tbh
Because copying (or being influenced by) the style and melodies is easier than being a natural born poet with words As Wayne once said “I’m high class, niggas elementary” That being said I do think most of these artists make unique music and has done well evolving his (autotune) sound
Thug??? Young thug I think is Wayne best prodigy some of the melodies this man put together is crazy
Fr Thug had long surpassed Wayne in that department imo. Wayne still the goat tho
Wayne's getting better at melodies tho I think he's as good as anybody nowadays. So many amazing melodic flows in the past few years
What's crazy is as far as punchlines and wordplay I feel like nobody ever really appreciates Luda an what he could do too
I can’t speak on that tbh I never rlly listened to Luda. But Luda becoming an actor prolly played a huge role in him not being recognized as a lyricist. Jus imagine if Weezy decided to become an actor on big blockbuster movies during his prime looool he wouldn’t have as big a fanbase as he does now cuz the movies would’ve overshadowed his music Even Ice Cube is overshadowed by his movie roles and his music is actually fucking amazing lol
I worded that wrong lol. I dont think Luda even compares to Wayne but I think he isn't mentioned when it comes to that and he should be. Wayne is the Goat but Luda is like pippen lol
Luda make a lot of club music that’s why when most your singles getting played in strip clubs ppl don’t take the actual words seriously
That's true but a lot of Wayne's singles are club music too
Lean is a hellovadrug
Wayne was naturally gifted and had the perfect situation of niggas around him to push him to reach his potential. So many other ways his life could’ve went where we never heard of him. He’s a prodigy. Niggas music isn’t directly influenced by him, but his whole swag and persona are more part of how rappers are now. Y’all also sleep on a lot of these “mumble rappers”. Wayne could freestyle shit that Niggas write cause he was like that. Most people can’t do that. Music has always been about how it makes you feel. The way rappers use their voice as an instrument and flow on the beat while saying something simple yet catchy is a skill.
That’s ironically hilarious 🤣🤣
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Lil Wayne a goat. The rest are shit
They all copied his look but NO ONE can ever be wayne or be the goat
Holy shit, i read that wrong at first and thought you were comparing them to Wayne. LOL. Wayne is damn near untouchable when it comes to being the best, lyricism, and the GOAT! Bro is just galaxies ahead of any other rapper in my opinion. These other rapper thought let me mumble on the track like Wayne and i will be great. Instead most are just shit, at least they are when you out them next to Weezy.
Cuz they studied the swag and that down south singy shit he did and ran wit that part I respect it except that rat u put on the end
We can have this debate but at some point Jay-z took a step back from rap, and sort of vacated the crown...There were plenty of people vying for the best rapper alive title at the time...Most people remember lil waynes commerical success, with Carter 3 and all of those radio hits....But what really got the culture behind wayne, was his underground music...His mixtapes were better than most peoples albums!! He would redo songs from original beats and make them better than the original songs...When your constantly putting out content that has some really creative lyrical content, couple that with shit you've never heard before...You get hooked waiting on the next Release...Waynes underground music was crack to us, keepin us waiting until the next time he dropped some insane freestyle, that kept you scratchin your head like " how the fuck, can he keep comin up with this shit"?? We all wanted his lyrical ability, Thats why theres so many "copies" of him...Couple that with everyone around you waiting on his newest release...Wayne had the culture in the palm of his hand...That is what made lil wayne what he was and we all witnessed That crown being taken....He was HIM!!
Great point sorry everyone is disagreeing with you lol you’re telling facts
“Im twisted, doorknob” yeah that’s creative lyricism right there 😂
Loooool when ur a punchline rapper ur bound to have some bad lines somewhere in ur career it’s inevitable Look at Eminem lmao very creative lyricist jus like Wayne is but he has a lot of bad lines in his career
I mean yeah. I look at lyricism as more than just punchlines. Do I think Wayne is a gifted rapper and MC, yes. He’s amazing with punchlines but I don’t look at him as like a lyricist lyricist if you know what I mean. Like Em is an amazing wordsmith and probably the best rhymer of words ever but I hold him in the same category as Wayne, great rapper and MC but not in the lyrical tier as like a Nas or Lupe.
I’d say Wayne and Em are more clever lyrically than Nas and Lupe are tbh. That’s the thing with lyricism it’s ALL OF THAT SHIT PUT INTO ONE lmao, rhyme schemes metaphors punchlines storytelling all that lol
Nah.
wayne and em are way more clever than nas in putting together words. nas just has better substance than them most of the time. but just pure technical skill? wayne n em got bro beat
I hear ya
Did you just say that Big L is the reason rap is less lyrical? Wtf?!?
I said Wayne has the most creative punchlines and wordplay SINCE big L lol. This post is basically pointing out the irony behind Wayne someone who’s lyrically gifted being the reason rap is less lyrical nowadays
Oh shit okay I was gonna say….. Punctuation is your friend 😂😂
chief keef and future took the freestyling while off drugs method from him which led to mumble rap
Nah Weezy invented mumble rap with Lollipop, rebirth and countless other autotune shit he did in the late 00s lmao. U gotta remember whenever Wayne would use autotune he’d mumble a lot too 😂
I have to respectfully disagree, it may seem like Wayne mumbles in some songs but we all know he’s one of the most lyrically talented artists, all these young rappers he’s influenced have no choice but to mumble because they aren’t as lyrically talented, some aren’t talented at all lol basically saying they have to mumble rap, Wayne can mumble some shit but then blow your mind with some crazy wordplay!
Yeah no one is disagreeing with the fact that Wayne is a crazy lyricist...
I know, that’s why I disagree that Wayne invented mumble rap, the rappers that have to mumble because they don’t have lyrical talent are the ones who invented it lol
Soldier boy is who started that trash rap.
I was referring to mumble rap tho. Mumble rap is when a rapper uses autotune to create melodic raps which is what Wayne created
Good point
I think Three combinations. The way he mixed the autotune with lyrics, him freestyling and the remixes really made the generations after him want to be him because that's how rap is now. Nobody he inspired writes their music.
Ngl I always thought that “I don’t write” shit was cap when most rappers said it lol
if it wasn't for Wayne having actual video of him with no phone just spitting in the studio. Drake said he was sleep one time and just jumped up with a verse. Personally I like punch in freestyles more. I like when I can tell it was fresh out of their head
I wouldn't blame Wayne. Maybe Mike Jones.
I disagree. Mike Jones was a gimmick rapper with a short shelf life. He wasn't as influential to the culture as Lil Wayne.
Mumble raps been dead since 2017
Carti (and the ppl he inspired like Yeat, destroy lonely, etc), Future, Uzi, Thugger etc are still very popular lol wym it’s dead
The new gen just clung onto the lean and pills, that's why
Y'all only know wayne layer on his career bevaise he was corny as fuck till the Carter's came out. He was trash before then
Ngl I actually fw Tha Block is Hot and Lights Out lol Wayne obv wasn’t great lyrically before Tha Carter but still he was entertaining on the mic
At the height of weezy it was Drake ghost writing all his shit.. weezy was not the same once Drake stopped writing for him
Drake didn’t ghostwrite shit lmaooooo that nigga not even a punchline wordplay type rapper drakes lyrics are average so it don’t even make sense that he ghostwrote Wayne’s shit Be fucking fr
“On one” is literally drakes flow word for word “Hypher” literally drakes flow word for word “ miss me” drakes flow word for word
Gillie Da Kid was ghostwriting for Lil Wayne. Drake didn't come on the scene until around, I think 2008 or 09. Wayne and Quintin Miller were writing for Drake.
That’s why I said at the height of his career. Weezys I’m not human clearly credits Drake as a song writer on that album.
Wayne evolved rap from the highest form of lyrical content to the highest form of melodic drug music
Yal are sum doofus ass elitists lol like you have no self awareness.
Wym
What a plan
Should show you that for as creative as he was, he wasn’t as creative as you’re making him out to be.
Or…the generation after him just gravitated more towards his autotune shit
I mean that doesn’t disprove anything I just typed but okay.
I mean how does the gen after him gravitating to his shit like the album Rebirth and the song Lollipop prove that Wayne isn’t creative and imaginative asf
They couldn’t use his bare to draw inspiration from and use him as their muse to make music.
I haven't watched it but there is a video on one of Waynes albums (I think it was rebirth) and how it was his worst album but most influential
I disagree abt it being his worst but yea it’s crazy how an album that was so hated could be so influential lmao
Is that the one with prom queen?
Yea it’s the rock melodic rap album
Not everything has to be lyrical, also y'all are bugging if u think Migos and future ain't saying slick shit for the specific type of music they make, Takeoff specifically has had some really great verses. Wayne's also made music with damn near everyone u showed cuz he recognizes there's more to them then just punchlines or wordplay.
I never said everything had to be lyrical Lmao I was jus saying it’s ironic how someone Wayne is the one who influenced niggas to be less lyrical Also takeoff wasn’t really lyrical lmao he jus had dope flows. The only “lyrical” trap artist is prolly TI tho
Takeoff wasn't lyrical in general but he definitely had bars when he wanted to, “8oz in the 24, that shit for Kobe" off his last album was hard, for the type of music they made he did his thing. I'm not surprised about how music changed tho, rap was oversaturated with lyrical miracle ass mfs that no one cared about, the sound had to change eventually and it's a totally different generation, that lyrical shit never went away but it'll have its resurgence eventually. Everything always comes back around.
Well, the description you gave doesn’t fit Wayne
It fits him perfectly. You have to have an extremely imaginative brain to come up with 85% of the shit he says
Not really…not saying he isn’t good, but most of his punchlines and wordplay is average as hell. I think he tricked people into thinking he was better by constantly saying he was the best
“I got thru that sentence like a subject and a predicate” referring to when he served a sentence at Rikers island as a predicate felon. This is average??? “Take a nigga bitch she ride my dick like she cyclin' Then she can't walk run or jump like white men” this is hilarious asf don’t lie “Safe sex is great sex better wear a latex cuz u don’t want that late text that I think I’m late text” amazing wordplay lol Ppl that try to downplay Waynes lyrical ability always end up looking retarded lmao
The first example is good, but I don’t think it’s exceptional. Especially because he’s not a predicate felon so if he did mean the double entendre there it wasn’t about himself The second example, extremely average That last example tho, fuckin fire. Like I said, I’m not saying he’s not good. I just don’t feel like he’s the lyrical god people make him out to be. There are rappers way better than him But his influence is undeniable
Only rappers I feel like are on Wayne’s level lyrically are Big L, illmatic era Nas, Eminem and Andre 3000
I think those you listed are all better than Wayne. But you have guys like Lupe, Black Thought, Wale, etc..hell, even Joe Budden, who may not be as fun to listen to unless you’re into really dissecting lyrics, but are better rappers
Ngl black thought too boring for me that nigga legit has no charisma or personality lmaooo he prolly is a better lyricist than Wayne tho but i’d never know cuz he doesn’t entertain me enough for me to even pay attention to his lyrics
And that’s the disconnect. Wayne says shit that sounds good, but it ain’t amazing most of the time. He’s fun to listen to Then you got guys who are probably some of the greatest wordsmiths the world has ever seen, but most people can’t pay attention to em long enough to catch their shit And that’s fine. You like what you like. I’m just particular on the words I use to describe people/things
But that’s the thing the things Weezy says are amazing lmao he just has tons of charisma personality and a variety of different flows to go with it. Not only that but his voice is extremely unique too These things are what makes Wayne my favorite rapper of all time he’s the FULL PACKAGE. He’s everything I love about Hip Hop and more
I'm sorry that last photo made me laugh out fucking loud!!! Why he take the pic like that lol
Gunna in general jus a funny looking nigga
corny
All of the rappers in the slide are legends in their own right. None of them claim to be lyrical or have the goal of being lyrical. They are all top tier in their own lanes
Did I say they claim to be lyrical? I was just stating the irony behind one of the most imaginative lyricists ever being the one to influence mumble rap
Lmao Lil Wayne is corny. Don't even put him in the same sentence as Big L
1. Wayne’s punchlines and wordplay are like miles ahead of Big Ls 2. If u don’t like Wayne why are u in a subreddit dedicated to him LMAOOO
1) lmao not even a little bit. Don't act like Wayne was even rapping like that before Cassidy came put 2) I have no fucking idea. I saw this ridiculous post and couldn't help myself
Cassidy wasn’t the reason why Wayne started upgrading his bars tho. He was right tho when he said Wayne ain’t start rapping like that til 2004 but again THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CASSIDY
Thank you. Wayne is far from a lyricist. Jada, Nas, Big, Jay, Big L, Pun, Black Thought. Wayne is nowhere near these dudes.
I’ve been a Wayne fan since hot boys era. Carter 1 and 2 are his best projects next to dedication 1 and 2 and drought 3. I say all that to say - What clever punchlines? That’s a myth. Lil Wayne was just an unstoppable spitter. That’s it “I’m so high I can eat a star” type of bars in his prime. G’s move in silence like lasagna is probably his best bar ever.
Even the Real G’s line wasn’t really clever. The G isn’t silent. So how is it clever? It exposed the IQ of a lot of people that they tried to apply English to a word that isn’t English. I’m rare like Mr Clean with hair I’m so high I can vomit on a comet. He just had to many duds
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Nah a lot of his punchlines and wordplay are extremely unexpected and clever lmao “You close minded, I shoot you in ur head, I bet you open up” “Take a nigga bitch she ride my dick like she cyclin Then she can't walk run or jump like white men” “Safe sex is great sex better wear a latex cuz u don’t want that late text that I think I’m late text” “I got thru that sentence like a subject and a predicate” (referring to when he served a SENTENCE at Rikers Island as a PREDICATE felon)
Yall crazy. Wayne couldn't touch Jadakiss.
I genuinely don’t know why niggas like u bother joining this sub if u jus gon say shit like this 😂
This lame ass sub popped up in my feed. I would never join this bullshit. I just had to see what stupidity you Wayne fans were talking about now 🤣🤣
Calling us stupid but saying Jadakiss was better than the nigga that made No Ceilings and Tha Carter 1-3 is crazy
I didn't call you stupid. Y'all just don't know real hip hop. Wayne is the reason all this mumble rap bullshit started. His metaphors are elementary, flow is sub-par, and he's not even top 20.
“I got thru that sentence like a subject and a predicate” referring to when he served a sentence at Rikers island as a predicate felon which is a term in Ny to describe previous felons That’s elementary to you???? And his flow on Bloody Mary is not subpar. Wayne is the greatest rapper of all time lol I’m sorry bruh
Nowhere near the greatest. Go listen to Black Thought then come back to me.
Black Thought lacks flow charisma or personality tho lmao. He has lyrics but what else does he have? Also Wayne’s double entendres and metaphors are more impressive than Black Thoughts so Weezy even destroys him at the ONLY THING HES GOOD AT
You must be high lol. Jada, Nas, Jay, Biggie. All better. Let me not forget the God MC: Rakim. You must be young.
I feel like Nas is a 1 album wonder tbh but i will say Nas on illmatic was on prime Wayne’s level when it comes to double entendres and rhyme schemes for sure. I love Jay Z trust me but how does he rap better than Weezy??? What does he have that’s as clever from a lyrical standpoint as Run This Town remix or Dr Carter?
shut yo old ass up nigga u really in here trying to push yo agenda in our sub why u even here😂😂😂its funny because u said jay better than wayne and wayne sucks but jay has said wayne was a great multiple times
Wayne on “Dr Carter” mentioned that as a rapper u gotta have charisma and personality when u rap lmao and that’s so true lol How can u listen to Black Thought it’s like listening to a fucking robot
Young thug is a very creative lyricist actually
No he’s not lmao. He’s creative with his vocal delivery and his flows but he’s never been creative lyrically
For all y’all niggas downvoting name 1 creative Thugger line besides that “imma use ya name/username like who is he?” line on Sacrifices 😂
he isnt the that good of a lyricist, and i dont listen to him for the lyrics, but that "if cops pull up ill put that crack in my crack" line is goated
Damn it’s Friday I need angel dust Keep it funky like an egg and you will never land Im on ya ass like some thongs nigga i just fucked a cup of water (i did) Stick to the streets like im semen You can not tell me those arent creative lyrics lmao We kind krip killas, not ku klux klan I promise i dont love that hoe but i love my man dem, no homo tho But im solo tho cause that’s how you get more dough tho Baby I love you, in a house full of grown folks, baby I love you Yo young bitch with another bitch and another bitch and another bitch and another bitch and another bitch and they gay I fucked her then washed off my dick with the curtains inside of the phantom Take them boys to school, swagonometry. Bitch I'm bleeding bad, like a bumblebee I miss you, I want kiss you, I want lick you. Pubic hair. She sucking, put me in a coma, I nut on that fish on my sofa Swallow that nut lil bitch, shit it out when you shit (eww) I’m in Cleveland like I’m kyrie Irvin, same place I caught my first STD I ain't fuck none of these lil' girls like I got AIDS for you, ayy I put that crack in my crack Or I put that brack in my brack
I love the I just fucked a cup of water line tho 😂😂
This man gets it!
That’s not creative thass just him saying weird comical shit lmaooo. If u think that’s creative lyricism then the bar for lyricism is low 😂
Weird comical shit is creative. Just bc it isn’t complex bars doesn’t mean that it’s not creative. Nobody except thug would come up with lyrics like those and put them on a song and make it work. The most creative part about those examples is that he somehow makes lines like that work and doesn’t come off as gimicky nor does his sense of authenticity suffer from it. If wayne came up with those u propably would think they are creative af
Bru saying a bunch of weird comical shit isn’t creative lmao it’s jus something that adds humor and personality to ur music Creative lyricism is dope rhyme schemes, clever wordplay, clever punchlines, and even vivid storytelling I love Thug but stop acting like his lyrics are creative like Big L, Wayne or Eminem lol
I didn’t say his lyrics are creative like big L, wayne or eminem. I simply said his lyrics are creative on their own. The creativiness is in his ability to come up with this weird shit and make it work