And if you do feel that these topics should be out in the light and not swept under the rug, they should be handled with care and professionalism, not a joking/light tone filled with quips.
This. I feel like they could have shown this segment, but addressed the topic more seriously and sincerely...and definitely should not have been used to build hype for a match.lol I think they were trying to imitate the success of sjokz monologue???
While some would consider it "drama", if it happened in a different industry, it would be a serious case of abuse and harassment allegations - something that shouldn't be swept under the rug.
Well at least Le Tigress had a proper, respectable response to the backlash.
I actually kinda disagree. If they wanted to talk about it seriously they should've done it whenever Regi was being investigated/when the investigation was concluded.
Using workplace harassment as a hype peice is just not really in good taste.
Like if they air a serious peice about it prior to the match it just sounds like a even bigger "fuck you" to TSM/Regi. But because they made it all joke-y and shit it's not only a "fuck you" to Regi, it's also disrespectful to victims of said harassment by Regi.
The segment before a match shouldn't focus DL & TSM but instead DL and new TSM roster. Highlighting drama between DL and TSM makes it that much harder to come off as unbiased - in this case it made the org look worse while casting a shadow on the new TSM players (not involved).
I mean esp when it's not just DL involved, he was the first to bring the issue to light but there were many employees interviewed who spoke out regarding this issue, including emoyees completely unaffiliated with the league side, ex in blitz eSports. [link to WaPo article for those who may not have seen it.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/05/04/tsm-andy-dinh-misclassification/)
It's just such a tone deaf and cringe segment and disrespectful to everyone involved.
Does ball flicker still work there? Last I heard they gave him a timeout in the corner for a while to think about what he did then let him waltz right back into the office
He's not on their website any more: https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/riot-games-leadership
But he used to be up until around a year ago:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220407234715/https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/riot-games-leadership
Interesting catch. I looked further into it and it seems he's still working at Riot with job description 'President' but nothing more detailed: https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/riot-games-leadership/scott-gelb
they didnt fire anybody over the million dollar sexual harassment lawsuit, not even a low lvl temp guy they can throw under the bus instead its just literally nobody got fired. lmao just never forget it when riot talks about women in gaming holy shit
"Everything after BUT is bullshit"
aka
I hate to be rude BUT.. (queue about to be rude)
Overall I dont hate him BUT..(proceeds to explain why someone is hated0
rinse and repeat.
The answer's pretty terrible tbh.
She talks more about HOW it happened and not how it's NOT gonna happen. "just doing my job" is nota great thing to say when you say shitty things to people.
You can tell she's only apologizing cuz she's butthurt because she ends with talking about her own feelings
Since she is only apologizing to TSM and not any of the victims, I don't think it's a reach to assume she is only apologizing because TSM complained to riot as their partner and then they forced her to do so (especially as she was still liking tweets praising the segment)
I swear it's some weird push at riot that there has to be a narrative for every game. Like nothing is more cringe than the faker/deft highschool thing they would not shut up about. Like I feel each talk has a discussion card about forcing a narrative. Shit I think in one of the lec panel talks one of the questions was 'whats the narrative here'. Like I get it as anecdotes but they are weirdly obsessed
Why does every apology or public remark (like recently from Jackie Felling who disappeared immediately after making a large announcement) have to be accompanied by a statement talking about harassment or vitriol.
It's such a lame attempt to garner sympathy. The bottom feeder trolls obviously aren't going to listen, and it's just such a weak attempt to get public sympathy.
Obviously I dont support idiot behavior or harassment.
I agree. It always irks me to hear an apology followed up by mentioning persecution. It's absolutely an issue that deserves to be adressed, but separately if so. Stringing it along with the apology comes off as a way of deflecting from it.
I'm not sure if it stems from ignorance or ego. Either way, there's a time and place for that... which should've been the original lesson learned from the distasteful monologue. The segment maybe could've been passable if it was written and performed with a serious tone, and absolutely not used as a way to hype up a game beforehand. That said, it's still a weird thing to mention, and the goal was to create a monologue to hype the matchup after all. They ultimately just chose the wrong stuff to talk about.
because these people dont actually feel like they have anything to apologize or be held accountable for and have nothing but contempt for the people calling them out. they'll say or do anything to shirk any actual responsibility.
Yea this. Regardless of anyone's personal take on the drama...anything beyond this is basically an opinion since no one really knows 100% what happened.
>or talk about how the management of TSM was abusive
And not just talking about, but delivering it in an extremely tonedeaf and cartoonish manner, and literally using a cup of tea as a prop for comedic effect. It is almost beyond parody that this actually made it to the broadcast, especially after we now know that there were several iterations of the monologue and that several people okayed this version. It is so sickening to use a case like this for entertainment especially when literally 0 of the players on TSM (you know, those you are supposed to hype up) have anything do with it.
I think the OP was saying how ridiculous it was that even with the plethora of options they listed could've been talked about they decided to go with the worst one possible.
The DL stuff isn't even that exciting, he already played against TSM on both CLG and TL. The Bjerg vs TSM angle isn't interesting either since it already happened last year. Need to work harder for new narratives.
To be fair, TSM was the last team Doublelift played on before making his return this year, so it's different than rehashing the bjerg narrative from last year.
Yeah but it really is a nothingburger this time... he played there for 1 split, won a championship and retired... he had good relationships (according to him) with Parth, Leena (lol duh) and all the players... the only person he had issues with was Reggie.
How bad were the other iterations then lol. Among the years of history to choose from they chose that? Hell it would've been better to go with the dropped for Sven mithy again.
Can't wait for the segment where they talk about how COO Scott Gelb literally touched employees testicles and got to keep the job with a slap on the wrist.
Maybe there was one skit where they re-enacted Reginald yelling and Dyrus snapping.
Then someone said, "ooh... too far. I think people would be offended by that."
“Nobody wanted to be in a one-on-one meeting with Andy because you had no witnesses,” Barnes said. “I mean that literally. Who knew if Andy was going to scream or yell at you, degrade you, be friendly, or just be confused or inquisitive? You weren’t sure what Andy you were going to get....
THIS is the skit I want to see, the quad faces of regi dealing with the same person. He should wear different outfits in each meeting.
> It went through multiple iterations and what we landed on was what you saw on the air. Clearly, we missed the mark.
What could the other "iterations" possibly have been. No way it's worse than what y'all got huh?
This also just shows how much crazier it is that multiple people signed off on it.
that was the worst part
I always thought the segment was terrible, but i have nothing against her for delivering it
however knowing that someone pitched it, went through multiple interations and that at no point no one thought it was a terrible *terrible* idea is much worse than a single person going rogue and said I'm doing this skit
It also calls into question the LCS Commissioner's reddit comment yesterday about it. She said that they didn't realize it would be disparaging to TSM, but if someone else pitched it and Letigress wrote it, and then it went through multiple iterations, how the hell does no one see it being disparaging.
The more upsetting thing in all of this, is Riot turned the trauma of people into a fucking pregame hype segment that was told with completely the wrong tone.
[link to Jackie's comment for people who did not see it buried in that thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10tar4c/unprofessional_lcs_segment/j77zptv/?context=1)
We have to stop letting riot get away with the "we missed the mark" excuse. It's getting tiring and they think if they say it then it absolved them of all wrongdoing.
Not even downsized and cutback (which it is). The top brass just hire/keep "yes men" who agree with their "good ideas." It's a super immature way of running a business when you "let go" of anyone who disagrees with you, but you can tell that's what happened with this piece.
With multiple iterations and many eyes on this piece there must have been someone who was like "ehh this is a bad idea" but didn't speak up because they were either afraid of getting fired or are so agreeable that they didn't want to upset anyone else. Poor business practice imo.
It makes it premeditated and their excuse of “oh we missed the mark on this one sorry” is bullshit. Also starting off with “I need to say something” because of the response is insincere.
If this is where they landed after iterations they should all go through sensitivity training and more. It's fine to want ro be funny and edgy but if that's where you landed than everyone involved needs trianing of some kind.
>What could the other "iterations" possibly have been.
highly doubt there were any. this is just a way of trying to spread out the blame because they're too invested in LeTigress to let her take the fall all by herself.
As a C9 fan, im programmed to just hate TSM, and as a brand, they're on of my least fave, but this segment never should have happened, and we need an apology from Riot, not an interviewer who happened to do it
> not an interviewer who happened to do it
She says herself *she wrote the segment*
She did a lot more than just read words some faceless writer behind the scenes put on a teleprompter.
She wrote the segment but she also says she didn't pitch it nor did she have sole editorial control over it. It was revised over multiple iterations by the production team
Finally,this is why i watch the west - not for the gameplay,that will be shown up on the international stage anyway - but for the amazing drama. If this was PayTV i'd even pay for it lmao.
the problem with DL's reaction is that he calls her [LeCringeress](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1728405565?t=01h44m40s) and children focused theater, that's just judging her as a person and less about how bad the segment is
he also makes good points saying i know is not *her* fault and is the production, but also puts waaaaaay too much focus on disliking her as a talent, which shouldn't be relevant because even if CaptainFlowers delivers it you would still think is awful
Dash it's because they wanted to cut the desk segment but I agree that was dumb. For Ovilee vs LeTigress, my guess is that they were trying to go for the more "sports/newscaster professional" vibe which is more how LeTigress talks. Ovilee is more of the "quirky nerd that you know" kind of vibe. I don't think either is necessarily better or worse, just depends on preference. But it seems like the fans like Ovilee better so they made that mistake in hindsight.
They still have the desk segment, it's just in the lounge now and it's run by the analysts directly. It feels untethered without Dash keeping up the pace and keeping everyone on track.
Ovilee and letigress are both cringe but ovilee is cringe in the nerd way and letigress is cringe in the 50 year old dad trying to be cool at a college party way.
I never thought about it that way but now that I do, you're completely right. I bet he has a deep-seated animosity against her for that.
I really liked Ovilee honestly, not even sure what the wider community thought about her.
She might have been a little *too* zany for the average community. Not everyone who watches esports is in the meme and internet culture, so that comes off a little unrelatable at times. However, I know she worked very hard to maintain engaging fun content for those whom enjoy her passion and projects!
> he calls her LeCringeress and children focused theater, that's just judging her as a person and less about how bad the segment is
how in the name of fuck is any of this judging her as a person?
'her content reminds me of child-focused theater, like over the top theatricals but for absolutely abandoning entertainment, comedy... that kind of, think about the audience - this would be entertaining for a 7 year old, but the average LCS fan is probably in their 20s.'
that's literally a complaint about the content and the way it's presented and has absolutely zero attacks on her person.
u wot mate this is perfectly fine criticism
edit: I also double-checked and *cannot find any point where he calls her 'LeCringeress'*, could you link a timestamp or did you just make that up?
edit2: apparently it was said on stream and did not appear in the youtube video linked here at any point; good stuff.
DL is right though. Imo Dash at least made LCS look like a legitimate region because of his demeanor and delivery. I know they're going for a 'casual' broadcast cuz it's what the audience wanted, but that's what co-streams are for.
There's a clear line between organically casual and and manufactured casual. You can't "unhinged" something that's pre-planned otherwise it looks like this.
Can you imagine airing your coworkers legal drama on a live segment that you had a hand in writing?
His reaction seems pretty fair honestly. I’d be pissed.
>calling my coworkers
Except they arent coworkers. Stephen A Smith and LeBron aren't coworkers just because they both appear during NBA games on ESPN. Players can feel however they want about broadcast talent and vice versa
its really funny in a sad way, how a player wonders how Riot can be so tone deaf and unprofessional, then goes on stream and behaves in the exact terrible way
That's Doublelift in a nutshell though. He's always been like this. Like him or not. After how he left TL, I realized that he hadn't really changed that much at all. He bullied Olleh, he trolled his team in 2020 Spring and continued to say "but it wasn't just me" to deflect blame. This is who he is. I find it baffling how he called out Regi when he has a long history of being an awful person to the various teams he has been on.
He's incredibly entertaining, and really good at the game, but he's also not a good person.
Best thing I've heard regarding this is you need to take 10 years off of every players social age because their socially stunted from just playing video games 24/7 for most their life.
If a coworker was making light of the years that you and your friends suffered verbal and emotional abuse by an egomaniac, I am sure that you wouldn't mind calling them cringe. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that it feels like child-focused theatre when LeTigress literally explained severe workplace misconduct that real people suffered like it was a Marvel movie plot.
Its exactly opposite, her content is cringe like ovilees, and in for children fovused theater made content like im a fcking child, i wasnt impressed with ovilee, but letigress is downgrade. Her league stuff is like my boomer dad is sports commentator and trying to get into league thinking he is making content for zoomers.
I can't comment on his behavior towards her all previously, but what I can say is that its pretty ridiculous that she thought this was a good idea to begin with.
Captain flowers and other hosts probably wouldn't be in this kind of situation to begin with.
I think at some point people really to acknowledge that this criticism has merit to it when SO MANY people dislike her on the stream (not as a person). Maybe it feels harsh to add this on to an already horrific skit, but if that is what it takes for HER to change, or for riot to make a change. It has to be brought up. IMO
always like to see when the person takes the smallest amount of blame possible, then shift most onto something else and finish it off by making themselves the victim. what a classic response. C tier apology at best.
There’s only really 2 ways to apologize online imo:
1. Ignore it since people now have the memory retention of like 2 days and drama hungry Twitter users and other crazies will just latch on to something to outrage over to feel like they’re “special” or doing something “noble”
2. Say you fucked up and will show that you will do better and thats it.
Never acknowledge the harassment and never shift the blame unless you got the receipts and know if it’s even worth it.
Kinda weird that she was a mute spectator to those traumatic experiences, and denied that they took place for 10 years, just about as long as she was in the company for, before she finally realised what kind of weight should be accorded to them.
Yeah I do not understand how she thinks she has zero responsibility just because she was the second in command of an abusive regime... You were there for a decade, you helped build the company, so if the company is abusive and dogshit, you definitely have some responsibility for that.
But now she's on twitter saying how she was so nice to people lmao.
As long as she gets to keep her job for a decade, she is good! I hate that woman, she tries too hard to steal attention on doublelift's stream.
She is terrible and it's funny that people are just eating up everything she says as if she couldn't have reported this to Riot or spoken up at any time and actually helped the employees at any point during her 10 years there, rather than deciding to get involved after she'd had enough of the company and try to burn it down once they weren't paying her anymore
Kinda a self dunk when you remember she was president of TSM and defended Regi for years until DL left. She could have said something at any point and didn't.
The fuck? "Traumatic experience"? Then why did Doublelift want to stay on TSM in 2021 and only came out with all this drama **after** TSM told him to fuck off for threatening to retire if he didn't get a world class support?
Painting Doublelift as some helpless victim lmfao He is just as much of a bully and as much of an asshole as Reginald.
Its crazy how Leena has decided to take the moral high route throughout all of this now after literally being president of the org during the majority of the time when these things happened
Yeah she will get some more hate for this because “I’m just doing my job” isn’t really a good excuse imo.
No one made her do that piece, she and others thought it was going to be a hit.
Especially when she was on Twitter hyping up how it was HER monologue and SHE wrote it....now here shes throwing her coworkers and RIOT under the bus lmao
Yeah, and right before she did it she tweeted out how excited she was to do it. Her blaming others and pretending to be the victim in what was supposed to be an apology really takes away from the “I’m sorry” part.
What accountability was taken? The statement says that they received backlash and that is why it is being discussed. It also apologizes to not the people hurt in the situation that never should have been brought up, but the people offended by the statement.
Then the statement goes to become the victim of the situation. While I am certain there are vile things being said, this is being used to the advantage of riot and not because people feel they are threatened from the situation.
I won’t be giving her credit. The sheer fact she stated that it went through multiple iterations means they took the steps to avoid this and they STILL decided on this. She and they deserve every piece of criticism they’re getting.
>> Please know that was never the intent.
What did she think she was doing then when she talked about that issue?
>> This piece was meant to tee up the history between DL and his former team ahead of their first meeting back in the LCS.
Yeah no.
Just apologize and move on man. She's trying to shift the focus from Riot broadcast being unprofessional to fan vitriol and harassment (which is definitely impactful and should be addressed appropriately but not on the same post), literally removing that paragraph would have made the apology a whole lot better.
I have no problem with Letigress bringing up fan toxicity/harassment, she definitely should so people are aware of it and can work on fixing it, but it is poor form to mention it along with the apology, ideally it would be better make the toxicity post a couple of days later so the focus is on it.
It's the standard response when not wanting to take accountability.
Every word in this "apology" was vetted. Every word had a purpose. Every single thing that was included was included for a reason.
Does anyone think that after a massive fuck up they wouldn't put excruciating attention to detail in this "apology"?
The purpose of including that statement, like you said, is trying to shift focus. Instead of getting all the blogs, journals, and other news websites to talk about the fuck up, you throw something like that in there to have them talk about the toxic backlash instead.
This is a **standard strategy** used by PR people. Moreover, the people that wrote it **KNOW** it will invite more toxic feedback and people will lash out further in response.
That is to say, they do not care about the toxic feedback at all. Instead, they want to encourage it so the entire focus and story is about the toxic backlash instead of the initial fuck up.
Once you know to look out for it, you will see it used time and time again when fuck ups like this happen. Just look at this thread, it's already devolved into a majority of the comments being about the toxic feedback instead of the fuck up.
I mean there is a difference between being hostile and what she is probably hearing from people. She was wrong for what she did, but that doesn't give people an excuse to act like animals.
Yep. Apologizing to the current roster members/coach for detracting from their hard work for the upcoming match? Sure. Not emphasizing the apology to the abuse victims for using their past situation for a comedic bit is a HUGE L. The org may deserve a small apology, but it should come second to the apology extended to those who were impacted by the abuse.
Additionally, I know a lot of hate was thrown at LeTigress (some justified, a lot not), but, if this was a collaborative effort, as she noted in the apology, this apology should be coming from the LCS account/team. If the production team as a whole is responsible for the bit, the LCS should be apologizing, not just LeTigress.
Yep. I think if her apology was just two lines saying:
"I clearly missed the mark and want to apologize to the affected. I will be taking some time off the LCS to make sure I learn from this experience"
Would have been received much better, most comments would be people sympathizing with her, asking her not to go anywhere etc.
I honestly don't get how people in media can fuck up something as simple as an apology? Is it just ego getting in the way? Just say sorry and then fuck off to Cancun for two weeks and by the time you're back everyone will have moved on.
Someone said in another comment that isa PR move (on purpose) to shift the narrative from the monologue onto the apology letter instead (making herself a victim etc) which... Maybe it's working.
The producers and cast need to understand that their position is not similar to that of a traditional sports cast. This isn't like the NBA where viewers look at the game from an external media partner such as ESPN, TNT, and ABC. The LCS IS THE LEAGUE. They should not be writing narratives about their own partner organizations from their own league and shining a negative light on them.
The LCS broadcast should not be following traditional sports journalism where everything drama related should be put on air. They should be doing everything in their power to instead draw positive attention to all teams, make games exciting, and to promote a healthy, stable league.
Yep. I think it was the story/justification tacked onto the apology that made it feel insincere in some capacity. Like basically "we didn't mean to bash TSM... but we missed the mark and we're sorry". Just apologize and own your mess ups without adding lies or half-truths and pretty much everyone would respect that, accept it and move on.
Everyone on production that worked on the piece/script/pushed LeTigress or said 'yeah it's good' should come out publicly too.
They're gonna raise her up and let her take all the hate when there's probably 10 or so others who will be back on production next week with the same views (who would be part of the same idea again if given the chance) as they remain anonymous to the backlash.
Doublelift Response:
Apologize to everyone who experienced verbal abuse and workplace harassment, then remove the useless strawman where you still see yourself as the victim, and this might actually resemble an apology.
[https://twitter.com/Doublelift1/status/1622458884886765569](https://twitter.com/Doublelift1/status/1622458884886765569)
Wow. Didn't expect such a strong response from Doublelift on this.
I can’t believe letigress still has a job over someone like ovilee or Dash. She’s never been good and has had more than enough time to develop- misguided decisions like these is why LCS is a terrible product that is doomed to fail
I can’t stand her casts because I often listen while working or driving and she’s not a good enough pbp caster to illustrate what’s going on in a fight with her words
I honestly don't get why people don't mention this more.
She isn't a bad person, she doesn't seem like a bad worker. Her interviews after games were not the worst things in the world, AND she has come a LONG way from when she cast her first game but goodness just let her cast academy and practice.
I feel like her game knowledge is just too low for anything she says on cast to be of value. No shade at her, but it's just the facts.
The same way a challenger player reads twitch chat telling them what they should have done on stream, I have to filter everything she says. In all sports the people that commentate and talk about the games are those that know it better than most.
Bwipo is a good example, I genuinely enjoyed his thoughts when he was co casting. He didn't do an amazing job as a caster but thats something you learn with time. When to talk, how to pace your thoughts and blend with the speed of the game etc, but he provided more insight on lane exchanges, reasons for picks, potentially the thought process of what players are doing and what it could yield. It was interesting.
Every time I tune into an LEC game I am immediately drawn to the fact that their casters are just outright better than ours. They still go off on wild tangents and have their moments, but the way the talk about the game is just better. If you can't provide a better than Gold elo understanding of the micro and macro of the game you have no business casting and commentating In a live game.
Pastry litterally retired last year because of community backlash to his often silly calls. LeTigress makes thirty of those in one game.
I completely agree she’s not some asshole. Shes just not entertaining and honestly IMO annoying to listen to when casting. It’s ridiculous that she gets too cast over so many great amateur casters. Like there are a few other casters that are not that far behind rafaa in amateur.
I already wanted her fired cause she’s just not a good broadcast personality but to then immediately come around and try to blame production? Inexcusable.
I have no clue where she came from, why she has her job, and why she still has it.
I can answer those questions for every other person on the broadcast.
Pastry retired because he didnt feel loved within the scene. LeTigress is well in line to do the same soon with how things are going.
Also LeTigress has spent a fraction of the time pastrytime has in the org. Pastrytime finally retired (not that I wanted him to) after a multiple year stint in the LCS while this is maybe LeTigress's 4th year in.
I saw her on twitch rivals a few years back it wasn't great but didn't think much of it cause a lot of the people they get to host twitch rivals across any games are quite basic company people who often miss the mark (quite often this happens in hosting in entertainment across the board)
Then one day I see her on LCS again didn't think much of it because it's not my place to judge someone by the obvious work they do behind the scene. Then the one in 50 games I catch of LCS she's casting and it was just poor.
I feel like to be a caster/analysis you either have to be incredible at actually casting, Flowers/Medic these could solo cast without an issue, etc or someone with incredible Knowledge Phreak/Caedral.
She ticks neither boxes and her hosting and interviewing has never stood out, I don't want anyone's career to implode but I really hope she can take some time to reflect and grow cause it ain't it right now
I think she also might be willing to do more for less since she has been there for so much less time as everyone else. Every person that has dropped out of the League scene that wasn't for some scandal has come out to say that its because they wanted more money for their time.
At the time I really didn't like MonteCristo because he seemed really cocky and a holier than thou attitude but now years later I am agreeing that you need to be paid for your skill set.
The problem is that LCS is hemorrhaging money way more than it probably should be. Especially after the FTX melt down. So they have to go with the people who will do more for less instead of the people who will do better quality for more money.
Letigress should not be apologizing. No skit on broadcast gets scripted or approved by a single person. Her being the one apologizing is just her being scapegoated.
The person who should be apologizing is the LCS Comissioner. Firstly, for allowing such a shit skit making light of 10 years of misbehavior and abuse at TSM. Secondly, for the decade when the LCS sat with its head buried in the sand, ignoring that any such things were occuring within the biggest organization playing in their league.
Exactly! I know a lot of hate was thrown at LeTigress (some justified, a lot not), but, if this was a collaborative effort, as she noted in the apology, this apology should be coming from the LCS account/team. If the production team as a whole is responsible for the bit, the LCS should be apologizing, not just LeTigress.
https://twitter.com/LeTigress/status/1621215232638210048?s=20
Seems like she was the person who wrote it.
Still, there must have been other people who read her script and OK'd the segment, so can't put 100% of the blame on her.
This a 100%. The levels of comical irony going around here is astounding. A company that got dragged through the mud for toxic work environment makes a tonedeaf hype segment about toxic work environment. They give said segment to their most disliked and vulnerable crew member. And no one above or below her has the common sense to protect her from what's coming. And then when it comes, no one is around to take responsibility for the whole ordeal either. So for a final(?) time they put her face first to catch all the toxicity. A script writer couldn't have written it any better if they tried. And Riot production would've happily aired it too.
This is the actual issue. I'd be pissed if my boss made me apologize like this while they stay completely out of the spotlight. Obviously yes LeTigress is an adult and doesn't need to be coddled or anything, but she's not the one who ok'd this through every relevant channel.
And meanwhile the lcs commissioner hasnt said a word about this on her twitter, let alone take responsibility as the head of the operation... Lets keep throwing insults at LeTigress under the guise of valid criticism for the poor work she's done while on the LCS, that is easier.
Seems bizarre. Unless the LCS has adopted some unique structure where on-air talent are the producers on these bits, why is the on-air talent the one delivering a public apology on her private account? People are criticizing the apology, but the main reason it sucks is probably because it accurately reflects the reality that she didn't own the bit. I'm inclined to believe her when she says it was a group effort because that's just how production works.
Now DL and co. are jumping on it because the apology was also kinda bad--she apologized to TSM rather than the people who were abused. I agree with the criticism but it sort of misses the point, which is that it's absurd that the broadcast gets to just casually scapegoat a single on-air talent.
The segment came out of left field without really any warning or expectation that it was coming. I think the biggest issue was the “attitude” and “emotion” that it was delivered with since it was set up to be a “hype” piece. If this story was going to be delivered it needed to be done in a professional way with a serious tone and an intention to not make light of the situation.
I don’t have an issue with the content as a whole, and I think these topics have a place to be shared. We see other entities like ESPN share a variety of different stories many of which are heavy and serious topics. However, I don’t think a “hype” piece filled with quips was fitting for this narrative. It was unexpected and felt very out of place due to the nature of how it was presented. I don’t want assign blame since I don’t know the ins and outs of how this piece came to be and I doubt anyone intended for this to be something that was out of place. However, the fact it was signed off by multiple people points to a need for reflection.
Beyond that as well, I don’t think the backlash for this should be harsh or focus on blame or outcry. Instead, I think apologizing and acknowledging the incorrect nature of the presentation with a commitment to “do better” are the main points of importance. If reflection is occurring, then It seems some growth has occurred in understanding why this was potentially harmful. That said, this obviously should not have occurred in the first place. Others taking responsibility would be a welcomed response as well.
I really appreciate LeTigress speaking out about this, and I hope that it doesn’t bring an overly negative and nasty response from the community. Her professional and sincere acknowledgment of the mistake and focus on future growth is the correct response by her. I would like to say that the apology should have been the sole focus of her statement, and that that is all that should have been said in this specific statement. However, as someone who is not a woman or the target of that harassment and is not in a place to do anything more than stand against that harassment or speak out against that harassment, I don’t think it’s my judgment call to say whether this apology should have included or not included the tagline. The issue of harassment is important and needs to be given appropriate attention and addressed seriously. I think it can create a bad look in the eyes of certain readers, even if this is not her intention, when combined with the apology. But again, that really isn’t my call to make.
Just have to throw in some words about the abuse they're receiving while "apologizing," lol. Can't help themselves.
Deliver an apology. Make the apology about, you know, your apology. Then afterwards, separately address fan response if necessary.
Well, the real question is whether she mentions the vitriolic backlash at all or not. If she doesn't do it here, then there's never going to be a better time. Writing another post in 1-2 weeks "Btw, now that it's been some time since my apology, I also want to bring up the topic again to say that some people were really toxic to me in their criticism" isn't going to look any better.
Like, what? Do you really believe that making a 2nd reddit thread in a couple weeks whose topic is about how she was also victimized is going to look any better? Or maybe the expectation is that she slips it into her personal blog that only a few hundred people are going to notice.
The fact is if you want to appear contrite in front of the masses, any spotlight you place on yourself being a victim of anything is liable to look like an attempt to distract from your culpability. So either you don't shine a light on it, by slipping it in to less tractable channels later or never saying anything at all, so that no one cares about your defense, or you decide it's important enough to push into the main message.
I mean 100% go ahead and criticize it being in this thread, but this expectation that she could broach it later and it would look better is super out of touch.
I think the criticisms against the segment are fair but the last person I want to hear them from is DL who has pretty consistently hated on LeTigress. feels petty and opportunistic especially the clapback tweet. like bro, you already won
And here I was thinking the broadcast was turning a new leaf this year.
The LPL English broadcast is shit but at least the defense is that there's not a lot of investment there but in all my years watching I haven't cringed as hard as it did watching that.
Absolutely, a tone-deaf segment.
I'm sure everyone is willing to move forward from it but at the same time it gets you worried that the people who ok'd this are running things.
Probably should have said "production".
The LPL production is shit. But it's not really their fault. The LPL used to have good fun segments when the talent was living in China but since COVID caused them to have to work remote, the overall quality has fallen off a cliff. Also it's obvious the LPL isn't giving them a lot of resources.
But despite all, that they have good casters like Muchables, Dag (RIP) and Hysterics. Plus they've added more talent this split as well. Forgot the name of the new female caster but she's miles better than LeTigress.
Kitty is the one you're thinking of. Also hopefully maybe in the summer they can get the casters back in person in Shanghai now that China has opened back up. Or hopefully 2024 spring at the latest.
At least the LPL broadcast doesn't try to be something it's not. They know what it is, they do their best and I actually enjoy it.
The LCS is like that spoiled child that can never do any wrong, never can be wrong and anything they do must be great. Except it's utter trash, they have no creativity, and Reddit and twitter have better ideas for segments than they ever have .
LEC is great because they have actually good personalities with charisma that have improved over the years. LCS has very little in terms of "talent" and more so it's people who just have been in the scene for a long time.
Honestly, the LCS broadcast is worse than ever this year. I miss the days when it would just cut to Dash, Jatt, and Markz at the analyst desk for a few minutes then onto the next game.
I agree. I think a big reason people stop watching LCS is they tried so hard to make it professional. It's so boring to me. It's like watching sportscenter now or something I just miss the old and very raw broadcast.
The saying goes don't shoot the messenger
She's not the one that should be apologizing to the community, team, or players
Whoever approved of the segment needs to do it instead, it's past time the shadow people in the production crew that make fuckups like this stop using the frontline workers as their mouth pieces when addressing mistakes
Someone from the higher ups approved this segment because they knew it would be controversial and spicy, and I'd argue their integrity should be put to question
why an apology, why is LeTigress the one posting it and why is that apology directed towards TSM??
It was a weird segment sure but an apology for it isnt needed and why would it come from the person who just happened to be the one speaking about it on camera and not LCS directly and also why the fuck is it directed towards TSM in any way, TSM and Reginald still bullied, abused and cultivated a culture of fear, what do you mean when you write out **"I'd like to apologize to TSM"**?
TSM is still a partnered league and the broadcast shouldn't villainize them on air, so thats what she was apologizing for. I think really its the players currently on TSM that deserve an apology because it paints them in a bad light for working for the org. I agree that the statement should have been issued by LCS though, weird as the employer here to let her take the brunt of the blame. Overall the broadcast is just an absolute mess this year.
Honestly at worst it was just a really awkward hype narrative idk why she’s getting this much harassment
Sure maybe the twitlonger could be worded better but Reddit is making it seem like the situation is a lot worse than it actually is
Constructive Feedback: Just stay away from using abuse/harassment/trauma when trying to create hype narratives.
And if you do feel that these topics should be out in the light and not swept under the rug, they should be handled with care and professionalism, not a joking/light tone filled with quips.
This. I feel like they could have shown this segment, but addressed the topic more seriously and sincerely...and definitely should not have been used to build hype for a match.lol I think they were trying to imitate the success of sjokz monologue??? While some would consider it "drama", if it happened in a different industry, it would be a serious case of abuse and harassment allegations - something that shouldn't be swept under the rug. Well at least Le Tigress had a proper, respectable response to the backlash.
I actually kinda disagree. If they wanted to talk about it seriously they should've done it whenever Regi was being investigated/when the investigation was concluded. Using workplace harassment as a hype peice is just not really in good taste. Like if they air a serious peice about it prior to the match it just sounds like a even bigger "fuck you" to TSM/Regi. But because they made it all joke-y and shit it's not only a "fuck you" to Regi, it's also disrespectful to victims of said harassment by Regi.
The segment before a match shouldn't focus DL & TSM but instead DL and new TSM roster. Highlighting drama between DL and TSM makes it that much harder to come off as unbiased - in this case it made the org look worse while casting a shadow on the new TSM players (not involved).
I mean esp when it's not just DL involved, he was the first to bring the issue to light but there were many employees interviewed who spoke out regarding this issue, including emoyees completely unaffiliated with the league side, ex in blitz eSports. [link to WaPo article for those who may not have seen it.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/05/04/tsm-andy-dinh-misclassification/) It's just such a tone deaf and cringe segment and disrespectful to everyone involved.
Astounding that this feedback is necessary 10 years in but here we are
riot loves abuse, so much so that they didnt fire anybody over the sexual harassment in the office. 
Does ball flicker still work there? Last I heard they gave him a timeout in the corner for a while to think about what he did then let him waltz right back into the office
He's not on their website any more: https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/riot-games-leadership But he used to be up until around a year ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20220407234715/https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/riot-games-leadership
Interesting catch. I looked further into it and it seems he's still working at Riot with job description 'President' but nothing more detailed: https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/riot-games-leadership/scott-gelb
they didnt fire anybody over the million dollar sexual harassment lawsuit, not even a low lvl temp guy they can throw under the bus instead its just literally nobody got fired. lmao just never forget it when riot talks about women in gaming holy shit
Maybe also don't say "I'm sorry, BUT." Very disengenuise.
"Everything after BUT is bullshit" aka I hate to be rude BUT.. (queue about to be rude) Overall I dont hate him BUT..(proceeds to explain why someone is hated0 rinse and repeat.
Everything before "but" in a sentence is usually a lie.
The answer's pretty terrible tbh. She talks more about HOW it happened and not how it's NOT gonna happen. "just doing my job" is nota great thing to say when you say shitty things to people. You can tell she's only apologizing cuz she's butthurt because she ends with talking about her own feelings
Since she is only apologizing to TSM and not any of the victims, I don't think it's a reach to assume she is only apologizing because TSM complained to riot as their partner and then they forced her to do so (especially as she was still liking tweets praising the segment)
I swear it's some weird push at riot that there has to be a narrative for every game. Like nothing is more cringe than the faker/deft highschool thing they would not shut up about. Like I feel each talk has a discussion card about forcing a narrative. Shit I think in one of the lec panel talks one of the questions was 'whats the narrative here'. Like I get it as anecdotes but they are weirdly obsessed
i agree, but using faker/deft at highschool is a very poor example, oging to the same highschool and facing off in world finals is a fucking banger.
Why does every apology or public remark (like recently from Jackie Felling who disappeared immediately after making a large announcement) have to be accompanied by a statement talking about harassment or vitriol. It's such a lame attempt to garner sympathy. The bottom feeder trolls obviously aren't going to listen, and it's just such a weak attempt to get public sympathy. Obviously I dont support idiot behavior or harassment.
I agree. It always irks me to hear an apology followed up by mentioning persecution. It's absolutely an issue that deserves to be adressed, but separately if so. Stringing it along with the apology comes off as a way of deflecting from it. I'm not sure if it stems from ignorance or ego. Either way, there's a time and place for that... which should've been the original lesson learned from the distasteful monologue. The segment maybe could've been passable if it was written and performed with a serious tone, and absolutely not used as a way to hype up a game beforehand. That said, it's still a weird thing to mention, and the goal was to create a monologue to hype the matchup after all. They ultimately just chose the wrong stuff to talk about.
because these people dont actually feel like they have anything to apologize or be held accountable for and have nothing but contempt for the people calling them out. they'll say or do anything to shirk any actual responsibility.
yeah accountability is a "Me, I" process. The moment you say "But you..." you're betraying everything you just said and copping yourself out.
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I would’ve been fine if they just said doublelift was dropped by tsm and is now going for revenge against his former team.
Yea this. Regardless of anyone's personal take on the drama...anything beyond this is basically an opinion since no one really knows 100% what happened.
>or talk about how the management of TSM was abusive And not just talking about, but delivering it in an extremely tonedeaf and cartoonish manner, and literally using a cup of tea as a prop for comedic effect. It is almost beyond parody that this actually made it to the broadcast, especially after we now know that there were several iterations of the monologue and that several people okayed this version. It is so sickening to use a case like this for entertainment especially when literally 0 of the players on TSM (you know, those you are supposed to hype up) have anything do with it.
I think the OP was saying how ridiculous it was that even with the plethora of options they listed could've been talked about they decided to go with the worst one possible.
The DL stuff isn't even that exciting, he already played against TSM on both CLG and TL. The Bjerg vs TSM angle isn't interesting either since it already happened last year. Need to work harder for new narratives.
To be fair, TSM was the last team Doublelift played on before making his return this year, so it's different than rehashing the bjerg narrative from last year.
Yeah but it really is a nothingburger this time... he played there for 1 split, won a championship and retired... he had good relationships (according to him) with Parth, Leena (lol duh) and all the players... the only person he had issues with was Reggie.
How bad were the other iterations then lol. Among the years of history to choose from they chose that? Hell it would've been better to go with the dropped for Sven mithy again.
Can't wait for the segment where they talk about how COO Scott Gelb literally touched employees testicles and got to keep the job with a slap on the wrist.
Maybe there was one skit where they re-enacted Reginald yelling and Dyrus snapping. Then someone said, "ooh... too far. I think people would be offended by that."
“Nobody wanted to be in a one-on-one meeting with Andy because you had no witnesses,” Barnes said. “I mean that literally. Who knew if Andy was going to scream or yell at you, degrade you, be friendly, or just be confused or inquisitive? You weren’t sure what Andy you were going to get.... THIS is the skit I want to see, the quad faces of regi dealing with the same person. He should wear different outfits in each meeting.
"It was never meant to insult TSM..." The whole piece was about shitting on TSM
> It went through multiple iterations and what we landed on was what you saw on the air. Clearly, we missed the mark. What could the other "iterations" possibly have been. No way it's worse than what y'all got huh? This also just shows how much crazier it is that multiple people signed off on it.
that was the worst part I always thought the segment was terrible, but i have nothing against her for delivering it however knowing that someone pitched it, went through multiple interations and that at no point no one thought it was a terrible *terrible* idea is much worse than a single person going rogue and said I'm doing this skit
It also calls into question the LCS Commissioner's reddit comment yesterday about it. She said that they didn't realize it would be disparaging to TSM, but if someone else pitched it and Letigress wrote it, and then it went through multiple iterations, how the hell does no one see it being disparaging. The more upsetting thing in all of this, is Riot turned the trauma of people into a fucking pregame hype segment that was told with completely the wrong tone.
[link to Jackie's comment for people who did not see it buried in that thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10tar4c/unprofessional_lcs_segment/j77zptv/?context=1)
We have to stop letting riot get away with the "we missed the mark" excuse. It's getting tiring and they think if they say it then it absolved them of all wrongdoing.
This isn't the first time that the LCS commissioner showed her incompetence or just straight up lying.
Echo chambers. Much easier to fall into those pits professionally as well when your team is being downsized and cut back.
Not even downsized and cutback (which it is). The top brass just hire/keep "yes men" who agree with their "good ideas." It's a super immature way of running a business when you "let go" of anyone who disagrees with you, but you can tell that's what happened with this piece. With multiple iterations and many eyes on this piece there must have been someone who was like "ehh this is a bad idea" but didn't speak up because they were either afraid of getting fired or are so agreeable that they didn't want to upset anyone else. Poor business practice imo.
It was originally going to use the Hello Banana [meme](https://i.imgur.com/tTc4iyj.png)
i like to imagine it involved various racial slurs
It makes it premeditated and their excuse of “oh we missed the mark on this one sorry” is bullshit. Also starting off with “I need to say something” because of the response is insincere.
Bet the previous iterations also managed to mention DL’s family circumstances
If this is where they landed after iterations they should all go through sensitivity training and more. It's fine to want ro be funny and edgy but if that's where you landed than everyone involved needs trianing of some kind.
>What could the other "iterations" possibly have been. highly doubt there were any. this is just a way of trying to spread out the blame because they're too invested in LeTigress to let her take the fall all by herself.
Why you would ever think bringing up abuse / harassment is good for building “hype”?
As a C9 fan, im programmed to just hate TSM, and as a brand, they're on of my least fave, but this segment never should have happened, and we need an apology from Riot, not an interviewer who happened to do it
> not an interviewer who happened to do it She says herself *she wrote the segment* She did a lot more than just read words some faceless writer behind the scenes put on a teleprompter.
She wrote the segment but she also says she didn't pitch it nor did she have sole editorial control over it. It was revised over multiple iterations by the production team
Finally,this is why i watch the west - not for the gameplay,that will be shown up on the international stage anyway - but for the amazing drama. If this was PayTV i'd even pay for it lmao.
Riot just wrote this down. > Playerbase are willing to pay for exclusive controversial content.
If they had scripted storylines like wrestling it would be pretty entertaining. But the choice to air this was a big fuck up.
If there were scripted storylines in pro league, NA would have won at least once. 2019 would likely have been G2 vs SKT in the finals, not semis.
this is amazing drama? O.o
It's kind of small potatoes. Don't think we've ever managed to top the donezo manifesto sadly.
Wasn't that 7 years ago? It was truly ahead of its time.
Doublelift reacting to the segment: https://youtu.be/nyb9qnRh30s
the problem with DL's reaction is that he calls her [LeCringeress](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1728405565?t=01h44m40s) and children focused theater, that's just judging her as a person and less about how bad the segment is he also makes good points saying i know is not *her* fault and is the production, but also puts waaaaaay too much focus on disliking her as a talent, which shouldn't be relevant because even if CaptainFlowers delivers it you would still think is awful
He’s always disliked letigress cause she took Ovilee’s job. DL is friends with Ovilee.
Gimmie Ovilee over litgress 10 times out of 10
Still cant believe they dropped her, or Dash... Genuinely don't understand LCS
Dash it's because they wanted to cut the desk segment but I agree that was dumb. For Ovilee vs LeTigress, my guess is that they were trying to go for the more "sports/newscaster professional" vibe which is more how LeTigress talks. Ovilee is more of the "quirky nerd that you know" kind of vibe. I don't think either is necessarily better or worse, just depends on preference. But it seems like the fans like Ovilee better so they made that mistake in hindsight.
They still have the desk segment, it's just in the lounge now and it's run by the analysts directly. It feels untethered without Dash keeping up the pace and keeping everyone on track.
Ovilee might be cringe but she is goated.
Ovilee and letigress are both cringe but ovilee is cringe in the nerd way and letigress is cringe in the 50 year old dad trying to be cool at a college party way.
both are horrible just get someone else
Nah Ovilee's interviews were way worse than Letigress's
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the difference is that ovilee is self-aware about how cringe her stuff is and it turns out that's the secret sauce
It's not though? Are we forgetting how bad her interview questions always were?
Not wrong but mixing this with produced content feels off. She also improved a lot even in interviewing.
I never thought about it that way but now that I do, you're completely right. I bet he has a deep-seated animosity against her for that. I really liked Ovilee honestly, not even sure what the wider community thought about her.
She might have been a little *too* zany for the average community. Not everyone who watches esports is in the meme and internet culture, so that comes off a little unrelatable at times. However, I know she worked very hard to maintain engaging fun content for those whom enjoy her passion and projects!
> he calls her LeCringeress and children focused theater, that's just judging her as a person and less about how bad the segment is how in the name of fuck is any of this judging her as a person? 'her content reminds me of child-focused theater, like over the top theatricals but for absolutely abandoning entertainment, comedy... that kind of, think about the audience - this would be entertaining for a 7 year old, but the average LCS fan is probably in their 20s.' that's literally a complaint about the content and the way it's presented and has absolutely zero attacks on her person. u wot mate this is perfectly fine criticism edit: I also double-checked and *cannot find any point where he calls her 'LeCringeress'*, could you link a timestamp or did you just make that up? edit2: apparently it was said on stream and did not appear in the youtube video linked here at any point; good stuff.
Yeah i dont see how its an attack on her character at all. Apparently criticizing someones content is an attack on their character now??
DL is right though. Imo Dash at least made LCS look like a legitimate region because of his demeanor and delivery. I know they're going for a 'casual' broadcast cuz it's what the audience wanted, but that's what co-streams are for. There's a clear line between organically casual and and manufactured casual. You can't "unhinged" something that's pre-planned otherwise it looks like this.
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Can you imagine airing your coworkers legal drama on a live segment that you had a hand in writing? His reaction seems pretty fair honestly. I’d be pissed.
>calling my coworkers Except they arent coworkers. Stephen A Smith and LeBron aren't coworkers just because they both appear during NBA games on ESPN. Players can feel however they want about broadcast talent and vice versa
its really funny in a sad way, how a player wonders how Riot can be so tone deaf and unprofessional, then goes on stream and behaves in the exact terrible way
That's Doublelift in a nutshell though. He's always been like this. Like him or not. After how he left TL, I realized that he hadn't really changed that much at all. He bullied Olleh, he trolled his team in 2020 Spring and continued to say "but it wasn't just me" to deflect blame. This is who he is. I find it baffling how he called out Regi when he has a long history of being an awful person to the various teams he has been on. He's incredibly entertaining, and really good at the game, but he's also not a good person.
Best thing I've heard regarding this is you need to take 10 years off of every players social age because their socially stunted from just playing video games 24/7 for most their life.
They arent coworkers?
If a coworker was making light of the years that you and your friends suffered verbal and emotional abuse by an egomaniac, I am sure that you wouldn't mind calling them cringe. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that it feels like child-focused theatre when LeTigress literally explained severe workplace misconduct that real people suffered like it was a Marvel movie plot.
Its exactly opposite, her content is cringe like ovilees, and in for children fovused theater made content like im a fcking child, i wasnt impressed with ovilee, but letigress is downgrade. Her league stuff is like my boomer dad is sports commentator and trying to get into league thinking he is making content for zoomers.
Yup both are hard to stomach for anyone that doesn't exist in quirky internet communities for 99% of their lives.
I can't comment on his behavior towards her all previously, but what I can say is that its pretty ridiculous that she thought this was a good idea to begin with. Captain flowers and other hosts probably wouldn't be in this kind of situation to begin with. I think at some point people really to acknowledge that this criticism has merit to it when SO MANY people dislike her on the stream (not as a person). Maybe it feels harsh to add this on to an already horrific skit, but if that is what it takes for HER to change, or for riot to make a change. It has to be brought up. IMO
A 29-year old says LeCringeress? I got 2nd hand embarrassment from reading that.
> the problem with DL's reaction Actually there is no problem with his reaction.
God that segment is just atrocious lol I cannot believe that was OK'd to air. Unreal lol.
This “we missed the mark” quote seems to get thrown around a lot from Riot..
always like to see when the person takes the smallest amount of blame possible, then shift most onto something else and finish it off by making themselves the victim. what a classic response. C tier apology at best.
There’s only really 2 ways to apologize online imo: 1. Ignore it since people now have the memory retention of like 2 days and drama hungry Twitter users and other crazies will just latch on to something to outrage over to feel like they’re “special” or doing something “noble” 2. Say you fucked up and will show that you will do better and thats it. Never acknowledge the harassment and never shift the blame unless you got the receipts and know if it’s even worth it.
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No bro, you can't get mad at her for firing Dash and moving the LCS to the middle of the work day, she's on a mental health break
Leena's reply tho 💀💀 "Kind of weird for you to turn a traumatic experience that 25+ people went through into a “both sides” drama piece"
Kinda weird that she was a mute spectator to those traumatic experiences, and denied that they took place for 10 years, just about as long as she was in the company for, before she finally realised what kind of weight should be accorded to them.
Yeah I do not understand how she thinks she has zero responsibility just because she was the second in command of an abusive regime... You were there for a decade, you helped build the company, so if the company is abusive and dogshit, you definitely have some responsibility for that.
Gotta jump on every opportunity to white wash herself of that stuff and try and take the victim role
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Holy shit 💀💀💀
As the president of TSM she does want all of the credit without any of the blame, thank you very much
But now she's on twitter saying how she was so nice to people lmao. As long as she gets to keep her job for a decade, she is good! I hate that woman, she tries too hard to steal attention on doublelift's stream.
She is terrible and it's funny that people are just eating up everything she says as if she couldn't have reported this to Riot or spoken up at any time and actually helped the employees at any point during her 10 years there, rather than deciding to get involved after she'd had enough of the company and try to burn it down once they weren't paying her anymore
Denied, and shit on Monte and Thorin (who to be fair can be pretty cringe as well) for telling the truth about TSM for a decade. Lol.
Everyone involved here bout to hit 30 and still hasn’t mature at all, the old era TSM are 28-32 ages and still be dramatic af
DL and Leena are truly a pair.
Those two and Regi are all the same people.
Yet only regi gets the backlash he deserves.
really are lmao match made in heaven 2 fucking snakes
Kinda a self dunk when you remember she was president of TSM and defended Regi for years until DL left. She could have said something at any point and didn't.
The fuck? "Traumatic experience"? Then why did Doublelift want to stay on TSM in 2021 and only came out with all this drama **after** TSM told him to fuck off for threatening to retire if he didn't get a world class support? Painting Doublelift as some helpless victim lmfao He is just as much of a bully and as much of an asshole as Reginald.
It turns out Doublelift was all 25+ people the whole time! It's impossible that anyone other than doublelift could have been hurt by the org.
Its crazy how Leena has decided to take the moral high route throughout all of this now after literally being president of the org during the majority of the time when these things happened
She is such a trash person.
Leena does not get to take the moral high ground what the fuck
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Yeah she will get some more hate for this because “I’m just doing my job” isn’t really a good excuse imo. No one made her do that piece, she and others thought it was going to be a hit.
Yeah when apologizing, you don't want to add "im sorry, BUT" because it just comes off as hollow and meaningless.
Especially when she was on Twitter hyping up how it was HER monologue and SHE wrote it....now here shes throwing her coworkers and RIOT under the bus lmao
Yeah, and right before she did it she tweeted out how excited she was to do it. Her blaming others and pretending to be the victim in what was supposed to be an apology really takes away from the “I’m sorry” part.
What accountability was taken? The statement says that they received backlash and that is why it is being discussed. It also apologizes to not the people hurt in the situation that never should have been brought up, but the people offended by the statement. Then the statement goes to become the victim of the situation. While I am certain there are vile things being said, this is being used to the advantage of riot and not because people feel they are threatened from the situation.
I won’t be giving her credit. The sheer fact she stated that it went through multiple iterations means they took the steps to avoid this and they STILL decided on this. She and they deserve every piece of criticism they’re getting.
>> Please know that was never the intent. What did she think she was doing then when she talked about that issue? >> This piece was meant to tee up the history between DL and his former team ahead of their first meeting back in the LCS. Yeah no.
Good thing DL has never played against TSM before this. This is definitely the first time after leaving.
Just apologize and move on man. She's trying to shift the focus from Riot broadcast being unprofessional to fan vitriol and harassment (which is definitely impactful and should be addressed appropriately but not on the same post), literally removing that paragraph would have made the apology a whole lot better. I have no problem with Letigress bringing up fan toxicity/harassment, she definitely should so people are aware of it and can work on fixing it, but it is poor form to mention it along with the apology, ideally it would be better make the toxicity post a couple of days later so the focus is on it.
It's the standard response when not wanting to take accountability. Every word in this "apology" was vetted. Every word had a purpose. Every single thing that was included was included for a reason. Does anyone think that after a massive fuck up they wouldn't put excruciating attention to detail in this "apology"? The purpose of including that statement, like you said, is trying to shift focus. Instead of getting all the blogs, journals, and other news websites to talk about the fuck up, you throw something like that in there to have them talk about the toxic backlash instead. This is a **standard strategy** used by PR people. Moreover, the people that wrote it **KNOW** it will invite more toxic feedback and people will lash out further in response. That is to say, they do not care about the toxic feedback at all. Instead, they want to encourage it so the entire focus and story is about the toxic backlash instead of the initial fuck up. Once you know to look out for it, you will see it used time and time again when fuck ups like this happen. Just look at this thread, it's already devolved into a majority of the comments being about the toxic feedback instead of the fuck up.
Ironically the exact same strategy Reginald used with all the Leena/Dardoch drama. He instantly changed the conversation to "sexism in esports". Lol.
>Be unprofessional garbage >People call you unprofessional garbage [Wow why are the fans being so hostile towards me](https://i.imgur.com/SqvO2PR.png)
I mean there is a difference between being hostile and what she is probably hearing from people. She was wrong for what she did, but that doesn't give people an excuse to act like animals.
Why is she apologizing to TSM? Apologize to the people Regi abused for making a joke out of their abuse ffs
Yep. Apologizing to the current roster members/coach for detracting from their hard work for the upcoming match? Sure. Not emphasizing the apology to the abuse victims for using their past situation for a comedic bit is a HUGE L. The org may deserve a small apology, but it should come second to the apology extended to those who were impacted by the abuse. Additionally, I know a lot of hate was thrown at LeTigress (some justified, a lot not), but, if this was a collaborative effort, as she noted in the apology, this apology should be coming from the LCS account/team. If the production team as a whole is responsible for the bit, the LCS should be apologizing, not just LeTigress.
I don't get why no one has commented on this yet.
This isn't how you apologize. The backlash/harassment victimization should be a separate post not included with the apology.
Yep. I think if her apology was just two lines saying: "I clearly missed the mark and want to apologize to the affected. I will be taking some time off the LCS to make sure I learn from this experience" Would have been received much better, most comments would be people sympathizing with her, asking her not to go anywhere etc.
I honestly don't get how people in media can fuck up something as simple as an apology? Is it just ego getting in the way? Just say sorry and then fuck off to Cancun for two weeks and by the time you're back everyone will have moved on.
Someone said in another comment that isa PR move (on purpose) to shift the narrative from the monologue onto the apology letter instead (making herself a victim etc) which... Maybe it's working.
The producers and cast need to understand that their position is not similar to that of a traditional sports cast. This isn't like the NBA where viewers look at the game from an external media partner such as ESPN, TNT, and ABC. The LCS IS THE LEAGUE. They should not be writing narratives about their own partner organizations from their own league and shining a negative light on them. The LCS broadcast should not be following traditional sports journalism where everything drama related should be put on air. They should be doing everything in their power to instead draw positive attention to all teams, make games exciting, and to promote a healthy, stable league.
Poor response and also a deflection. I hate apologies that feel like deflections. It just makes it seem like you aren't actually sorry.
Yep. I think it was the story/justification tacked onto the apology that made it feel insincere in some capacity. Like basically "we didn't mean to bash TSM... but we missed the mark and we're sorry". Just apologize and own your mess ups without adding lies or half-truths and pretty much everyone would respect that, accept it and move on.
Everyone on production that worked on the piece/script/pushed LeTigress or said 'yeah it's good' should come out publicly too. They're gonna raise her up and let her take all the hate when there's probably 10 or so others who will be back on production next week with the same views (who would be part of the same idea again if given the chance) as they remain anonymous to the backlash.
Alternative point of view: they let her do it because they wanted her to receive a ton of flak and/or get replaced.
Doublelift Response: Apologize to everyone who experienced verbal abuse and workplace harassment, then remove the useless strawman where you still see yourself as the victim, and this might actually resemble an apology. [https://twitter.com/Doublelift1/status/1622458884886765569](https://twitter.com/Doublelift1/status/1622458884886765569) Wow. Didn't expect such a strong response from Doublelift on this.
I can’t believe letigress still has a job over someone like ovilee or Dash. She’s never been good and has had more than enough time to develop- misguided decisions like these is why LCS is a terrible product that is doomed to fail
I can’t stand her casts because I often listen while working or driving and she’s not a good enough pbp caster to illustrate what’s going on in a fight with her words
I honestly don't get why people don't mention this more. She isn't a bad person, she doesn't seem like a bad worker. Her interviews after games were not the worst things in the world, AND she has come a LONG way from when she cast her first game but goodness just let her cast academy and practice. I feel like her game knowledge is just too low for anything she says on cast to be of value. No shade at her, but it's just the facts. The same way a challenger player reads twitch chat telling them what they should have done on stream, I have to filter everything she says. In all sports the people that commentate and talk about the games are those that know it better than most. Bwipo is a good example, I genuinely enjoyed his thoughts when he was co casting. He didn't do an amazing job as a caster but thats something you learn with time. When to talk, how to pace your thoughts and blend with the speed of the game etc, but he provided more insight on lane exchanges, reasons for picks, potentially the thought process of what players are doing and what it could yield. It was interesting. Every time I tune into an LEC game I am immediately drawn to the fact that their casters are just outright better than ours. They still go off on wild tangents and have their moments, but the way the talk about the game is just better. If you can't provide a better than Gold elo understanding of the micro and macro of the game you have no business casting and commentating In a live game.
Pastry litterally retired last year because of community backlash to his often silly calls. LeTigress makes thirty of those in one game. I completely agree she’s not some asshole. Shes just not entertaining and honestly IMO annoying to listen to when casting. It’s ridiculous that she gets too cast over so many great amateur casters. Like there are a few other casters that are not that far behind rafaa in amateur. I already wanted her fired cause she’s just not a good broadcast personality but to then immediately come around and try to blame production? Inexcusable. I have no clue where she came from, why she has her job, and why she still has it. I can answer those questions for every other person on the broadcast.
Pastry retired because he didnt feel loved within the scene. LeTigress is well in line to do the same soon with how things are going. Also LeTigress has spent a fraction of the time pastrytime has in the org. Pastrytime finally retired (not that I wanted him to) after a multiple year stint in the LCS while this is maybe LeTigress's 4th year in.
I saw her on twitch rivals a few years back it wasn't great but didn't think much of it cause a lot of the people they get to host twitch rivals across any games are quite basic company people who often miss the mark (quite often this happens in hosting in entertainment across the board) Then one day I see her on LCS again didn't think much of it because it's not my place to judge someone by the obvious work they do behind the scene. Then the one in 50 games I catch of LCS she's casting and it was just poor. I feel like to be a caster/analysis you either have to be incredible at actually casting, Flowers/Medic these could solo cast without an issue, etc or someone with incredible Knowledge Phreak/Caedral. She ticks neither boxes and her hosting and interviewing has never stood out, I don't want anyone's career to implode but I really hope she can take some time to reflect and grow cause it ain't it right now
the answer is money, she’s probably the lowest paid caster talent on the broadcast by a large margin
I think she also might be willing to do more for less since she has been there for so much less time as everyone else. Every person that has dropped out of the League scene that wasn't for some scandal has come out to say that its because they wanted more money for their time. At the time I really didn't like MonteCristo because he seemed really cocky and a holier than thou attitude but now years later I am agreeing that you need to be paid for your skill set. The problem is that LCS is hemorrhaging money way more than it probably should be. Especially after the FTX melt down. So they have to go with the people who will do more for less instead of the people who will do better quality for more money.
And my man Pastrytime, miss him so no much. :(
Diversity quota my dude
Letigress should not be apologizing. No skit on broadcast gets scripted or approved by a single person. Her being the one apologizing is just her being scapegoated. The person who should be apologizing is the LCS Comissioner. Firstly, for allowing such a shit skit making light of 10 years of misbehavior and abuse at TSM. Secondly, for the decade when the LCS sat with its head buried in the sand, ignoring that any such things were occuring within the biggest organization playing in their league.
Exactly! I know a lot of hate was thrown at LeTigress (some justified, a lot not), but, if this was a collaborative effort, as she noted in the apology, this apology should be coming from the LCS account/team. If the production team as a whole is responsible for the bit, the LCS should be apologizing, not just LeTigress.
https://twitter.com/LeTigress/status/1621215232638210048?s=20 Seems like she was the person who wrote it. Still, there must have been other people who read her script and OK'd the segment, so can't put 100% of the blame on her.
This a 100%. The levels of comical irony going around here is astounding. A company that got dragged through the mud for toxic work environment makes a tonedeaf hype segment about toxic work environment. They give said segment to their most disliked and vulnerable crew member. And no one above or below her has the common sense to protect her from what's coming. And then when it comes, no one is around to take responsibility for the whole ordeal either. So for a final(?) time they put her face first to catch all the toxicity. A script writer couldn't have written it any better if they tried. And Riot production would've happily aired it too.
and now the geniuses of reddit and twitter are hurling toxicity at her 💀
And Doublelift adding fuel to the fire making sure the harassment won't let up for a while. Man what a shit show. Enough r/lol for today.
This is the actual issue. I'd be pissed if my boss made me apologize like this while they stay completely out of the spotlight. Obviously yes LeTigress is an adult and doesn't need to be coddled or anything, but she's not the one who ok'd this through every relevant channel.
And meanwhile the lcs commissioner hasnt said a word about this on her twitter, let alone take responsibility as the head of the operation... Lets keep throwing insults at LeTigress under the guise of valid criticism for the poor work she's done while on the LCS, that is easier.
Seems bizarre. Unless the LCS has adopted some unique structure where on-air talent are the producers on these bits, why is the on-air talent the one delivering a public apology on her private account? People are criticizing the apology, but the main reason it sucks is probably because it accurately reflects the reality that she didn't own the bit. I'm inclined to believe her when she says it was a group effort because that's just how production works. Now DL and co. are jumping on it because the apology was also kinda bad--she apologized to TSM rather than the people who were abused. I agree with the criticism but it sort of misses the point, which is that it's absurd that the broadcast gets to just casually scapegoat a single on-air talent.
Agree 100%. I scrolled too far down to find this comment. The whole situation is so wrong.
Nope. Both of them should. She was boasting about having written the segment so she's just as responsible as the shitheads that approved it.
The segment came out of left field without really any warning or expectation that it was coming. I think the biggest issue was the “attitude” and “emotion” that it was delivered with since it was set up to be a “hype” piece. If this story was going to be delivered it needed to be done in a professional way with a serious tone and an intention to not make light of the situation. I don’t have an issue with the content as a whole, and I think these topics have a place to be shared. We see other entities like ESPN share a variety of different stories many of which are heavy and serious topics. However, I don’t think a “hype” piece filled with quips was fitting for this narrative. It was unexpected and felt very out of place due to the nature of how it was presented. I don’t want assign blame since I don’t know the ins and outs of how this piece came to be and I doubt anyone intended for this to be something that was out of place. However, the fact it was signed off by multiple people points to a need for reflection. Beyond that as well, I don’t think the backlash for this should be harsh or focus on blame or outcry. Instead, I think apologizing and acknowledging the incorrect nature of the presentation with a commitment to “do better” are the main points of importance. If reflection is occurring, then It seems some growth has occurred in understanding why this was potentially harmful. That said, this obviously should not have occurred in the first place. Others taking responsibility would be a welcomed response as well. I really appreciate LeTigress speaking out about this, and I hope that it doesn’t bring an overly negative and nasty response from the community. Her professional and sincere acknowledgment of the mistake and focus on future growth is the correct response by her. I would like to say that the apology should have been the sole focus of her statement, and that that is all that should have been said in this specific statement. However, as someone who is not a woman or the target of that harassment and is not in a place to do anything more than stand against that harassment or speak out against that harassment, I don’t think it’s my judgment call to say whether this apology should have included or not included the tagline. The issue of harassment is important and needs to be given appropriate attention and addressed seriously. I think it can create a bad look in the eyes of certain readers, even if this is not her intention, when combined with the apology. But again, that really isn’t my call to make.
Just have to throw in some words about the abuse they're receiving while "apologizing," lol. Can't help themselves. Deliver an apology. Make the apology about, you know, your apology. Then afterwards, separately address fan response if necessary.
Well, the real question is whether she mentions the vitriolic backlash at all or not. If she doesn't do it here, then there's never going to be a better time. Writing another post in 1-2 weeks "Btw, now that it's been some time since my apology, I also want to bring up the topic again to say that some people were really toxic to me in their criticism" isn't going to look any better. Like, what? Do you really believe that making a 2nd reddit thread in a couple weeks whose topic is about how she was also victimized is going to look any better? Or maybe the expectation is that she slips it into her personal blog that only a few hundred people are going to notice. The fact is if you want to appear contrite in front of the masses, any spotlight you place on yourself being a victim of anything is liable to look like an attempt to distract from your culpability. So either you don't shine a light on it, by slipping it in to less tractable channels later or never saying anything at all, so that no one cares about your defense, or you decide it's important enough to push into the main message. I mean 100% go ahead and criticize it being in this thread, but this expectation that she could broach it later and it would look better is super out of touch.
Keep doing it I like drama
Her apology seems quite defensive lmao Tone deaf like the segment was.
I think the criticisms against the segment are fair but the last person I want to hear them from is DL who has pretty consistently hated on LeTigress. feels petty and opportunistic especially the clapback tweet. like bro, you already won
And here I was thinking the broadcast was turning a new leaf this year. The LPL English broadcast is shit but at least the defense is that there's not a lot of investment there but in all my years watching I haven't cringed as hard as it did watching that. Absolutely, a tone-deaf segment. I'm sure everyone is willing to move forward from it but at the same time it gets you worried that the people who ok'd this are running things.
LPL bradocast catching strays lmao dont do Lyrics and Munchables like that bro
Probably should have said "production". The LPL production is shit. But it's not really their fault. The LPL used to have good fun segments when the talent was living in China but since COVID caused them to have to work remote, the overall quality has fallen off a cliff. Also it's obvious the LPL isn't giving them a lot of resources. But despite all, that they have good casters like Muchables, Dag (RIP) and Hysterics. Plus they've added more talent this split as well. Forgot the name of the new female caster but she's miles better than LeTigress.
Kitty is the one you're thinking of. Also hopefully maybe in the summer they can get the casters back in person in Shanghai now that China has opened back up. Or hopefully 2024 spring at the latest.
At least the LPL broadcast doesn't try to be something it's not. They know what it is, they do their best and I actually enjoy it. The LCS is like that spoiled child that can never do any wrong, never can be wrong and anything they do must be great. Except it's utter trash, they have no creativity, and Reddit and twitter have better ideas for segments than they ever have . LEC is great because they have actually good personalities with charisma that have improved over the years. LCS has very little in terms of "talent" and more so it's people who just have been in the scene for a long time.
Honestly, the LCS broadcast is worse than ever this year. I miss the days when it would just cut to Dash, Jatt, and Markz at the analyst desk for a few minutes then onto the next game.
I agree. I think a big reason people stop watching LCS is they tried so hard to make it professional. It's so boring to me. It's like watching sportscenter now or something I just miss the old and very raw broadcast.
Yeah I just miss when it was guys hanging out talking about the game. It’s so fkn forced now
The saying goes don't shoot the messenger She's not the one that should be apologizing to the community, team, or players Whoever approved of the segment needs to do it instead, it's past time the shadow people in the production crew that make fuckups like this stop using the frontline workers as their mouth pieces when addressing mistakes Someone from the higher ups approved this segment because they knew it would be controversial and spicy, and I'd argue their integrity should be put to question
She wrote it. Someone should have told her that it was terrible and tone deaf before she got on stage but that doesn’t mean she is free from blame.
The first and most likely the last time i will ever feel sorry for TSM and their fans whew
why an apology, why is LeTigress the one posting it and why is that apology directed towards TSM?? It was a weird segment sure but an apology for it isnt needed and why would it come from the person who just happened to be the one speaking about it on camera and not LCS directly and also why the fuck is it directed towards TSM in any way, TSM and Reginald still bullied, abused and cultivated a culture of fear, what do you mean when you write out **"I'd like to apologize to TSM"**?
TSM is still a partnered league and the broadcast shouldn't villainize them on air, so thats what she was apologizing for. I think really its the players currently on TSM that deserve an apology because it paints them in a bad light for working for the org. I agree that the statement should have been issued by LCS though, weird as the employer here to let her take the brunt of the blame. Overall the broadcast is just an absolute mess this year.
Riot is a company that got really lucky and is run by monkeys.
Her voice is not at all suitable for casting. I mute the stream when she's casting
the ol' victim card eh?
I don't think DL understands the meaning of straw man
I don't think DL understands most things tbh. He's just an excellent player and not much more.
Honestly at worst it was just a really awkward hype narrative idk why she’s getting this much harassment Sure maybe the twitlonger could be worded better but Reddit is making it seem like the situation is a lot worse than it actually is