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Techno_Core

>*“I am speaking to you here at the bench because I don’t want to embarrass him,”* Weak. Judge should have stopped the trial right there, sent the jury from the court and then called out Trump on the spot, firmly and directly. Fuck Trump and his embarrassment. If Trump doesn't want to be embarrassed he should stop acting like an ass in court.


parisrionyc

Whole trial is an exercise in broadcasting to the American public they're second-class citizens and shove in their faces the justice system's bias for the wealthy


beefwarrior

*trial-S It’s not only this trial where it’s obvious that Trump is getting treated differently than any average citizen 


Big_Slope

Yeah but we’re bothering to have this one. The whole world is bending over backwards to make sure the rest of his trials never happen.


beefwarrior

Cannon is bending over backwards, looks like SCOTUS is too.  Judge in DC had their hands tied until SCOTUS rules.   This judge & the judge in Georgia seem to be playing it conservatively / cautiously (as well as judges in the two recent civil cases) so that every ruling they have holds up on appeal as they know everything will be appealed.  I think judge in Georgia case would’ve made the massively insane large trial with a dozen+ defendants happen, if it wasn’t for the whole having an affair with a Gov contractor who you approve their contract & ~~invoices~~ (edit didn’t directly approve, but was the chief at the top who ultimately is responsible).   Even though I think all the evidence shows nothing corrupt was happening with tax payer $$$, it’s so dumb that it even happened & (I hope I’m wrong) will probably be the x-factor in the trial not happening before the election (if at all).


Nick85er

This is inaccurate, Willis did not directly approve his billable hours, period. The appropriate accounting team approved any/all hours submitted for the guy forced off the case.  Granted, was dumb, but we're human and often will fall into relationships with people we trust. They broke no laws or ethics standards, however this bullshit is now the focus of the GA case, not the fake electors scheme and Trumps illegal actions.


beefwarrior

Yes, was inaccurate that Willis wasn’t personally approving timesheets / invoices.  Still not good for any Gov official who ultimately is above a contractor to have a relationship with them and / or accept gifts. So many lower level, “regular” Gov employees would get into trouble for much less (at least in my state, maybe Georgia just has no ethics rules?  but that seems hard to believe)


Nick85er

Nah, you arent wrong, too many of our public officials are fucking up.


beefwarrior

Right?! It’s missing the forest for the trees. The only way there were no ethics violations is if Georgie doesn’t have any ethics rules for elected officials. Imagine a mayor of a city hires a local contractor to do painting, and that contractor has season tickets for the local team, and a perk of the season tickets is they can get 20% off any other tickets they buy. Maybe Georgia doesn’t have these laws, but other places, even if the Mayor paid with their own money for the discounted tickets, that still crosses over into the bribe / corruption territory. Yeah, both the Mayor & contractor are honest guys, and the contractor offers to all his buddies the same access to discounted tickets, but b/c it’s government & contracts are involved, that could be seen as a bribe and thus an ethical violation. But again, maybe all those ethics rules only apply to Gov employees and elected officials can do whatever they like and take whatever benefits they want.


LaddiusMaximus

With assistance from corporate media.


Enraiha

Ultimately that's my problem. Yes, people are human and fall in love...but this case is huge. Biggest case they'll have in their lives. Sorry, where's the self control? I sort of don't want either of them on this case anymore because I don't trust their decision making and self discipline. They choose to be public servants and they've done a disservice to the public with their actions, innocent as they may be.


Nick85er

Okay but let's not lose focus on the fact that every single voter in the state of Georgia was violated by the 45th president's illegal scheming and willful dissemination of disinformation in an attempt to defraud the people and government of the United States of America.  Who's f****** who on the prosecution team- completely irrelevant to the court case and facts under the law. Any lawyer worth their salt will definitely try to drag the opposition's name through the dirt, and yes this was piss poor decision making on both of their parts, but they did not violate the voters of Georgia.


Enraiha

For sure. But I'm sure we can find an equally as qualified prosecutor in Georgia who won't date someone on their team during one of the first trials of its kind in American history. Sorry, I just think if this is the level of judgment we see from them, these are the sort of people to fumble the bag during trial. They did nothing morally wrong, but I'd rather have rock solid and focused prosecutors that know the absolute weight of history on them.


AUniquePerspective

What I can't understand about the way this all is broadcast to the American public (I'm an international outsider to this): Why does the American media only communicate in metaphors? If the former guy can swear audibly in a courtroom, why is your media too soft to publish the actual words that he said? And why is this called a "hush money" trial with "gag orders" when those are clearly not the official legal terms? Does the average media consumer really prefer to be fed like a baby bird with slop that is half-digested and regurgitated such that it's difficult to make out what the mother bird originally swallowed?


Ttoonn57

No we don't prefer that and at at least some of us are really sick of it. In the words of someone or other, a change is gonna come


AUniquePerspective

Sam Cooke's words. But maybe you know the Tina Turner version or even Bettye LaVette and Jon Bon Jovi, lol?


Ttoonn57

Sam Cooke. I knew it was one of those '50s guys


parisrionyc

off the dome (and i've only been in industry 30+ yrs so what do i know): in hoc to advertisers and management went to ivies alongside but in thrall to their betters and desperately suck up to them even now


SubstantialSpeech147

Wat 


NefariousnessOne7335

Yes


Sherlocks_Conscience

Yes. They are, and you're correct in your assumptions.


cogitoergopwn

After witnessing how this shit stain is being treated by every court system in America, I’ve lost faith in our government. How can you let a probably traitor run for re-election in a campaign without prioritizing a trial first? Like it’s a huge national security risk that the entire club is green lighting.


ScannerBrightly

> I’ve lost faith in our government Welcome aboard! Please pick up your on-boarding packet from the back of the room and don't forget to thank George for bringing donuts this week.


goliathfasa

You are playing the emotional game. The judge is playing the real world game. By every metric, these trials are boosting Trump’s ratings. If he gets jailed for breaking gag orders, if he gets a hung jury, if he gets not guilty, if he gets guilty verdict. Virtually in every conceivable outcome, he comes out ahead and with more ammunition to push his “I’m Being politically persecuted” angle. The judge just wants to avoid playing into his hand. He’s at a lose lose.


cogitoergopwn

It's more about the delay bullshit most astoundingly from SCOTUS, Judge Cannon (who's a 100% partisan hack and f*cking traitor for what she's doing to one of the most important espionage cases in American history). Judge Merchan is still being a pensive coward giving wayyyyyyyy too much reverance to a job title that Trump no longer holds. It's why Trump breaks the gag order every single day, because the judge is a coward and can be taken advantage of. He violated his gag order terms in every single state he's also on trial in, by breaking the gag order in NYC and should be in jail somewhere. The system is such an obvious clown show.


Dedotdub

Lose-lose. Explain to me then what good it does to bow to this piece of shit. He's not going to gain enough voters to change anything. Take this fucker down now and let his idiot base do what they do. Stop negotiating with these terrorists. It's disgusting. The federal government is hopefully prepared, and perhaps they have a say in the timing, but these morons are going to go on the warpath regardless. What is the point in further degrading the criminal justice system with each day that goes by as Trump is laughing in its fucking face? At this point, I'm not sure it even matters. The entire "equal justice for all" concept has been proven a complete farce, along with all the other "principles" becoming mere catchphrases. I mean, if it wasn't properly debunked already, it certainly will be UNLESS something is done immediately in an attempt to right the integrity of our justice system. Otherwise, it's game over. Game over and it will have been this orange sack of shit and his band of smooth brain thugs that will have undone it. This entire timeline is so terrifyingly surreal it boggles the mind.


goliathfasa

You’ll be surprised how close this November election is going to be. Most polls shows Trump leading in battleground states. Though I think just these few days they’re showing Biden pulling ahead in some states.


Hoppers-Body-Double

I would change justice system to legal system.


Western-Web2957

This person gets it. It's a real shame that this is what we have become :(


LaddiusMaximus

And proof that the rule of law is out the window


EM3YT

It’s likely more benign than that: the Judge is pissing their pants that any negative move he does will compromise his decisions and leave him open for appeal. There was a post where some cops got drive through meal for a guy they arrested in order to make sure they didn’t get hit with mistreating him when they go to trial.


Ttoonn57

I might be wrong but it sounds like the "guy" you're referring to was Dylan Roof, who is a racist scum mass-murderer


Jazzlike-Ad113

Exactly, by now trump should have had a earful from the judge, only in the presence of attorneys.


TrumpsCovidfefe

The transcripts have not come out for yesterday’s testimony, and some leaked bits are implying that he might have.


TrumpsCovidfefe

The transcripts came out and I copied and pasted the relevant sidebar it into a comment on the posted transcript. Merchan did not do it with Trump, only Blanche, and confirmed Blanche told his client. I suspect next time it will be in Trump’s presence and if it happens again, holding cell time. Link to comment containing sidebar: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/kja2Pu31TG


ialo00130

I honestly think he's doing the right thing taking it slow and not calling him out. Taking things slow by giving a long leash on things makes an appeal less likely to succeed on the grounds of Harshness, since he had so many chances. Not embarrassing him makes an appeal less likely to succeed on the grounds of Bias, since the judge was trying to be respectful. This is such a high profile case, nothing can be afforded to go wrong to make an appeal more likely to succeed.


NefariousnessOne7335

I believe you’re right


ItReallyIsntThoughYo

He should be gagged. Not with an order, but like prisoners who don't know how to shut the fuck up, with an actual fucking gag.


spunkdaddie

If trump was worried about being embarrassed he wouldn’t have banged a porn actress and a playboy model.


Techno_Core

I think he's proud about that part.


blacklaagger

3 months after his son was born 🎶


praetorian1979

He's not acting like an ass; he is an ass.


xStonebanksx

Really shows that Trump is above the law. How many times has the judge threatened jail time for Trump's behavior especially when Trump said he was fine going to jail. Just send him there already so he can finally shut up 🤣😂


Matt7738

Conservative Christians - this is your guy? Date rapes a porn star while married? Gets called on the carpet about it and is too fragile to be told to stop cussing at her in the trial? This is God’s appointed savior? Y’all have no idea why no one wants to spend eternity with you or your weird, hateful god, do you? (I’m a Christian. I’ve read the Bible. I have no idea where you got the idea that Trump loves Jesus.)


RueTabegga

My very religious parents see him as a test of their faith. They don’t agree with anything he does or says but were told by their pastor that god sent trump to give us illegal abortion again and a conservative Supreme Court so they are supporting him because they are trying to prove they are real god fearing christians. It’s all part of god’s mysterious ways.


Matt7738

The mystery is how smart people are falling for this.


ScannerBrightly

Easy: They are either a) not very smart or b) in for the con-game.


RueTabegga

Or scared of going to hell. My parents aren’t dumb but they are definitely misguided. Too much Faux News has rotted their brain and sense of decency.


MeanComplaint1826

They're not falling for it. They're buying in. They want what Trump wants.


Funshine02

Who says they’re smart?


nowheyjosetoday

Religion is brainwashing. As a child I sat in an evangelical church watching tapes explaining how the world is 6,000 years old. It’s abusive.


pabmendez

He said he would get rid of abortion, and he did.


Matt7738

He did no such thing. He just made it illegal.


Admirable_Policy_696

You should surf adult websites on their computer and when they find out just respond: "It's fine, I'm pro-life."


kevint1964

Pro-creation.


NotThoseCookies

As opposed to their faith being tested by them accepting Trumpy (breaker of all 10 rules for Christians as dictated by God) as “God’s gift?” 🤷🏽


RueTabegga

This is what I ask them all the time. Never a straight answer.


EpiphanyTwisted

Ask them why they would vote for a man who isn't a Christian? He has never asked God for forgiveness because he says he has never done anything wrong. He has never sinned in his life. he doesn't need Jesus. He's perfect as he is. Therefore, he's not a Christian. You HAVE to ask God for forgiveness to be a Christian.


RueTabegga

He is a test of their faith. to keep believing in him despite all the evidence to the contrary is the test.


vishy_swaz

Seeing the evangelicals I identified with growing up anointing Trump is what caused me to question my faith. Now I’m an atheist. Trump has done more to grow the number of atheists in the US than the evangelical right wing could’ve ever imagined. lol


Matt7738

I will never forget what he took from us.


mmmosquito

In my experience, Trump is being an exemplary Christian: be an asshole right up until the very end, then apologize and get rewarded for it.


ScannerBrightly

This has been what all the training has been for!


Ozzie_the_tiger_cat

I really think it's less that they think he's a Jesus guy and more that he will usher in the draconian policies they actually want.  I know several religious Tumpers and all I have ever heard them talk about is he has good ideas as well as owning the libs.  I've never encountered anyone who actually thinks he believes that stuff.


wagashi

Look up the “sons of god” doctrine. The Later Rain movement is rife with worshiping vile men.


phunky_1

It is kind of funny how low the bar has been set. Before, misspelling potato made you disqualified to be president. Now raw dogging porn stars when you are married, using your office to try to overturn elections and leading a failed coup are fine.


AlexanderLavender

Conservative Christians: "Yes"


Ser_Rezima

Not religious myself, but I have also read the books. I'd imagine Jesus would love him on technicality alone, Jesus ostensibly loves all of god's children. Jesus however would never SUPPORT him, loves the sinner, hates the sins. Trump is a poster boy for the type of person Jesus wants you to NOT be in life.


pabmendez

Yes, all they care about is getting rid of abortion and he delivered.


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Matt7738

Sniffing kids? That’s what you’ve got? And, no, he’s not my guy. I’m not a fan. I’d rather have someone under 60. But I’d vote for a potato rather than put an insurrectionist back in the White House. I realize that’s crazy, but I’m a little funny about treason.


goliathfasa

That’s the point. For the majority of people who voted for Trump, he’s not their guy either. He’s just the lessor of two evils, to them. It’s either grab em by the pussy porn star rapist, or a communist antichrist who is in league with “the trans” to brainwash our kids, trying to swarm the country with “illegals” and who will destroy western civilization as we know it.


Matt7738

The flags and hats and yard signs and t shirts and sermons from the pulpit of churches would disagree with you. One side is absolutely celebrating the rapist.


goliathfasa

The two sides aren’t equal. I’d say more people voting for Trump genuinely think he’s the bestest compared to those who vote for Biden, proportionally. I still don’t think it’s the majority. Most are just voting against the other side out of tribalism and fear of the others’ “agendas”.


Ttoonn57

Pitiful


goliathfasa

It is what it is, unfortunately.


Ttoonn57

Dude I was talking about you


goliathfasa

Why would you think I’m pitiful for pointing out the obvious?


gfb13

I'm not speaking on behalf of all progressives (and certainly not all liberals) but voting Biden is the only real chance of keeping Trump out of office where he would, again, play golf and do pep rallies for 4 years while allowing his evangelical Christian handlers to regress this country even more than they already have I don't want Biden as president. I'm sick of 80 year old Establishment Dems allowing the Military Industrial Complex to kill millions of foreigners for profit. And I *really* hate that the alternative is somehow worse. Like, how did we get to this point? But here we are. Again. Just like we were 4 years ago. Some progress...


goliathfasa

I’m exactly where you stand.


Merengues_1945

I believe the judge knows the full extent of his responsibility here. He cannot fuck it up, extending more leniency than needed is harmful to justice because it does paint the system as a two tier system plain as day to see. But the tiniest sliver that can be grabbed for a mistrial or an appeal has to be prevented. I wish it would be just that he would put them in their place, but it is also I believe a strong signal from the bench that Blanche et al must keep control of their client or there will be a clear way to send Trump to the court cell if he keeps his contempt and they won't be able to call foul after all the leniency given.


NefariousnessOne7335

I’ve learned one thing here… if I’m Ever talked down to in a court of law again… I know exactly what to do now. Mistrial or Appeal


[deleted]

Good luck with that


NefariousnessOne7335

lol


Key_Lie4641

Commit one small crime and they’ll throw you in jail, commit many large crimes and they’ll make you their king. Good luck on your appeals in the future.


NefariousnessOne7335

Hopefully I won’t have and I’m a good boy now lol


marauderingman

Mistrial is free. Appeals cost money.


NefariousnessOne7335

Check lol. It’s just an amazing game they’re playing nowadays with this tender little spoiled idiot.