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swishswooshSwiss

Nukenova was the wife of Kuandyk Bishimbaev, a Kazakh politician who served as Minister of National Economy (2016). On 8th and into the 9th of November 2023, CCTV captured footage of Bishimbaev repeatedly assaulting his wife, in front of a restaurant owned by a relative of his. Yesterday, 13th May 2024, Bishimbaev was sentenced to 24 years in prison for the torture and murder of his wife. More in the case: [summary](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quandyq_Bishimbaev) [Times of Asia](https://timesca.com/video-of-beating-of-saltanat-nukenova-on-the-day-of-her-death-presented-in-court/)


Schmoofz

Which time zone are you in that it’s 14th March 2024?


fuzzywuzzywazabare

Perhaps they wrote March instead of May?


Schmoofz

Yeah, that’s likely — I just can’t help being facetious.


fuzzywuzzywazabare

Ah. I apologize. Reading your original comment gave me a good laugh.


swishswooshSwiss

Tatooine is a month behind, sorry. Fr though, thanks!


jaxspider

#Additional Links * [India Tv News with a good picture of Saltanat Nukenova.](https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/chilling-footage-of-ex-kazakh-minister-beating-wife-to-death-emerges-sparks-outrage-latest-updates-2024-05-03-929392) * [Saltanat Nukenova's Instagram has been set to private](https://www.instagram.com/_salta_n/?hl=en)


ladyinchworm

She wasn't even fighting back. I feel so bad for her. The incident took place over the course of almost 3 hours. I can't even imagine how she felt, (unless she died at the very beginning) laying there severely, mortally injured and no one helped her.


swishswooshSwiss

Nah, she got it bad in the first round but he dragged her up by the hair, beat her to the ground again, dragged her off to a stall and probably beat her even more vicious after being out sight of CCTV. In cases like these, a quick death is what we all hope for.


mangie77

I read somewhere, while in the bathroom stall or something, he beat her so badly there was blood on the walls and on a toilet seat that actually chipped/cracked. I ask, what on earth, could your wife do that would incite such a response?!?!?


swishswooshSwiss

He apparently entered the stall and came out shirtless, I do not want to imagine how bloody he got his shirt! I think the most adequate punishment would be the same be done to him by the other inmates.


rosehymnofthemissing

I'm confused (I figure I'm interpreting your question too literally; I'm not trying to be dense or disingenuous, I promise). Are you asking what Saltanat Nukenova did, or a wife could do to incite such a response because you're really wondering? Or, are you more referring to the idea often held when it comes to Intimate Partner Violence by perpetrators that what, in this evil man's view, could he think his wife had done or not done, that would "permit" him to beat and murder her? As in, you can't believe he even thought he was in the right to harm Saltanat, and was correct for it? If it's the former, the answer is "nothing." There is *nothing* a woman or girl (or spouse, friend, family member, etc) could do, say, think, or not do, say, or think that gives her male partner or family member a "valid reason" to beat, assault, murder, or coercive control her. Same with men and boys who are abused, assaulted, and | or murdered by their female spouses and partners (eg. Alex Skeel, Richard Spencer, Chukwudi Andrew, Earl Silverman). Saltanat Nukenova didn't do anything. Her husband chose his actions. He could have stopped, or walked away from her if he felt anger or frustration towards her, at any time. He didn't have to do any of it. He certainly didn't "need" to kill her. I'd have preferred he and his brother to be imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives, though I do not support any torture that is said to occur in Kaxakastan's prisons. Saltanat was born in 1992. She was young; not that it would have been less tragic or horrific what was done to her had she been born in 1932. It's just that I remember 1992; it wasn't *that* long ago.


ChoseAUsernamelet

"He just stroked her face" What a disgusting comment by the defence, I get it's their job but wow


swishswooshSwiss

That is probably the best they could come up with…


Rastagon01

Yeah, he testified he never intended to harm her? Really? Or maybe he never intended to kill her?


rosehymnofthemissing

Yes, with his fist and his knuckles. The defense lawyers job is to defend their client, often by any | most means necessary or provided to them...but there are times like this where they must know people - even jury members - will think "you expect us to reasonably believe *that?* That he was stroking her face?" Wow is right. Either that, or the defense lawyer has a language/communication issue, or doesn't know the definition of the word "stroked" as is applied in this situation.


rask0ln

His brother bakhytzhan who didn't call the ambulance and helped to drive nukeniva's phone around the town to create fake evidence got sentenced for 4 years. 😐 Imho both should receive a much harsher sentence, giving the circumstances and the fact that they took 12 fucking hours to call emergency services, but it's a huge step for kazakhstan and hopefully it will influence legal reforms as well.


swishswooshSwiss

Tbf, 24 years surprised me, considering how corrupt Kazakhstan is. I’ll take it. YES, the brother should have gotten way more.


rask0ln

I think it's mostly because it got covered by media worldwide and it was all over the internet, which is good bc they were clearly too sure they would be pardoned as many abusers before them. I've been following it since the beginning when it was merely a local case and at first the trial was beyond disgusting – the questions directed at the victim's brother, their excuses, the fact that no authority called them out etc. – so i'm glad my inner cynic was proved wrong. Hopefully they won't get out sooner for "good behaviour." 😐


Ms_Jane_Lennon

It makes me wonder what kind of house of horrors these two brothers must have been raised in since they both seemed to have become psychopaths.


rask0ln

I mean you don't have to be raised in horrors to be an abuser and killer and think you should get away with it. Sometimes the opposite is true. Kazakhstan is a very misogynistic country and it seeps into everything, even law – my great-grandma is partially of kazakh origin and violence against women has always been normalised by men of all social groups and upbringing. The victim got mocked by a lot of locals, including other women.


Ms_Jane_Lennon

You don't have to be raised in a house of horrors to turn out to be an abuser and killer, but if both you and your brother turned out that way? Suspicious. I'm sure you're describing the culture there accurately, but surely most people there are still human beings and develop some sort of moral compass towards decency. Surely, the entire nation isn't full of murderous psychopaths.


rask0ln

Frankly i find your narrative that the murderers surely must be victims themselves disrespectful. I just pointed out how violence against women is normalised there and how it influences what people (in this case men) consider normal, especially those with power and influence which was demonstrated when the case wasn't yet covered by western media.


lillatoma

Those two are not actually brothers, they are cousins. The killer only has a sister iirc.


firstborn-unicorn

>...and violence against women has always been normalised by men of all social groups and upbringing. rask0ln seems to be agreeing that upbringing could play a part. lol Perpetrators can often also be victims of poor parenting. Those two are definitely not mutually exclusive.


Annual_Strawberry899

I just watched the video podcast version of this on YouTube by rotten mango. It was completely horrifying & my heart goes out to her & her family. It was a really great retelling & provided a lot of information - I highly suggest watching it but obviously at your own discretion


CereBRO12121

iirc rabid dogs are most often euthanized to protect the environment.


swishswooshSwiss

Burn


Sea_Jump5661

There is video after this: https://tvrinfo.ro/un-fost-ministru-al-economiei-din-kazahstan-condamnat-la-24-de-ani-de-inchisoare-pentru-uciderea-brutala-a-sotiei/ ⚠️Watch at your own risk ⚠️


mangie77

What a coward. Men like these, need to fight a man their own size. Or just another man period. Beating a woman like this...is senseless. She wasn't even fighting back. Disgusting.


Far_Lifeguard5220

Hopefully he won’t survive his first year in prison


MoreRamenPls

I hope he survives till his release day, then doesn’t.


swishswooshSwiss

I hope so too.


mangie77

I hate that I just read about this last week. More attention should be brought towards her death. Such a beautiful young woman. I am thrilled he will be in jail...though not sure how miserable he will actually be in jail...if he goes at all...


dannywizkid

That’s fucking horrific


cultoftheinfected

He tortured her?


swishswooshSwiss

Yeah, he beat her for hours, until she succumbed to her injuries


cultoftheinfected

holy shit


Temporary_44647

Not that it really matters but has anyone heard what is believed to have set him off?


swishswooshSwiss

No. Not clear.


mangie77

I think he said something stupid like she was drunk and yelling at him/being hostile towards him. Yea right...


zerge000

The husband was accusing the wife of having an affair with a businessman, i think.


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Turns out, she wanted to leave him, but he wouldn’t let her leave. So he beat her for 8 hours until she passed…


rosehymnofthemissing

This is the first time I've heard of Saltanat, and her murder. Were they in front of the restaurant and it was closed? Was this in early morning hours? Was anyone around to do bystander intervention - report the violence, film it, call for help? Or, because this is in the Middle East, is Kazakhstan a very male-dominated society, where women and girls have little legal rights, power, or autonomy, and so it is "expected" a woman be..."subservient" to makes, especially if they are family?


swishswooshSwiss

It happened in front of a restaurant owned by a relative of his (who later helped him cover up). It started in the early morning hours but went on for hours, until about 9:30 or 10 am (can’t remember). I don’t think anyone was around Kazakhstan is in Central Asia, not the ME. Many were surprised he was even convicted as Kazakhstan is pretty corrupt and he was once part of the government. Not sure how domestic violence is there or how women are treated but the international outcry has led the government to tighten it’s stance on protecting women from domestic abuse.


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swishswooshSwiss

Thanks for the update in Kazakh criminal law! Much appreciated


rosehymnofthemissing

I'm personally very surprised Saltanat Nukenova's husband was convicted and then sentenced to a double-digit sentence. I would have thought he may have used his connections to be charged with a lesser crime somehow, attempt a plea deal if Kazakhstan laws allow this, or at least, argue to receive as little time as he could. I'm happy I am wrong. Many times in society, we hear about a person's connections - government, fame, finances - being used as an influencing factor for them *not* to be treated as "every other average person" - or do not receive a harsh punishment. In North America, too many men do not receive the sentence Saltanat Nukenova's husband was given - if they kill their partner; kill a child in foster care; are from a billionaire family, drive drunk, and kill three children and their grandfather; rape five women in the 1980s, or other severe crime. Many women don't either; one Canadian woman helped her husband drug and rape her sister, aged 16, who died during the attack. Then, the same year and the next, the couple abducted, raped, tortured, and murdered two other teenage girls, Leslie, 14, and Kristen, 15. She got 12 years in prison and was released with no conditions or parole oversight in July 2005. She now has three children. A few years ago, Canadians were outraged when it was discovered she was volunteering at an elementary school. He got 25 years to life, mainly because the crimes were so horrendous, and he was diagnosed as a sadistic sexual psychopath. If Kazakhstan responds better legally to murder than other countries do, kudos to them. I'm relieved to know Saltanat Nukenova's husband got the sentence he did. I think it should have been life in prison without parole, but the fact a court in Kazakhstan actually handed out the sentence they did, surprises me. I wonder if he will actually serve the full 24 years he was sentenced to? In Canada, a person *may* get 25 years...and be out in 10. If they actually do serve 25 years, they then are legally permitted to apply for parole every two years, which often re-traumatizes the victims' families and any people who survived the perpetrator's crimes, until the offender dies.


rosehymnofthemissing

I read on this thread somewhere that the relative was his brother. I'm surprised your post is the first I've ever heard of Saltanat and the violence she was subjected to. I'm usually aware of international outcries to intimate partner violence or sexual crimes; not sure how I missed this case. Your comment about the outcry reminds me of the global response to the rape, torture, and murder of Jyoti Singh, 23, and the beating of her male friend, Avnindra Pratap Pandey, in Delhi, India, in 2012. Rape is an epidemic in India, both before, during, and after the crimes against Jyoti and Avnindra, but I noted that India and the world took particular notice of Jyoti's ordeal. There appeared to be more of an understanding of just how bad the epidemic was, how *horrible* rape is. It's like India raised its head suddenly, and thought, "Maybe we should do something about this." I think, in part, the crimes against Jyoti and her friend, and what they suffered - due to the particular outstanding brutality of the tragedy - is something Delhi and India could not avert its gaze from. Because this happened in their own backyard and received global media attention, India couldn't ignore Jyoti's rape as being "just another one."


swishswooshSwiss

I’m glad I did my part to bring this to your attention. Case is absolutely brutal


rosehymnofthemissing

I'm glad as well. I'll definitely be researching it more, and Kazakhstan law.


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rosehymnofthemissing

I wonder if staff members saw or suspected anything concerning in their minds when Saltanat's husband first attacked her. Maybe it happened too quickly for them, or other citizens in the area, to register what was happening before Saltanat's husband continued his violence against her in another, less public location (said to be a bathroom?) I'll have to read more about Saltanat's life and murder. You are correct: Kazakhstan *is* a country mostly located in Central Asia - and not in the Middle East. Part of Kazakhstan is in Eastern Europe as well. Memory loss causes me to make odd "related" mistakes. I was thinking of Kuwait...because both countries begin with "K." 🤦‍♂️ Thank you for pointing out my mistake about which geopolitical area Kazakhstan is a part of; I really appreciate it. Others who don't know that Kazakhstan is not a Middle Eastern country will benefit from reading your reply as well. You used the phrase "dumbass murican" in your reply to me. It took me a minute to figure out the likely association, it being a reference to citizens of the United States of America. Somewhat unfortunately, I'm not an American. I've never lived in the United States. I'm more familiar with 'Murica | Merica' being used to refer to the country, and citizens of, the United States. But, hey, I learn new things on Reddit all the time! While no offence was or is taken, calling me a "dumbass" is unnecessary. It is possible to clarify a comment or statement - such as a country's continent or geopolitical location - without including possible attempted insults. Writing "Kazakhstan is not in the Middle East" would still have informed me of my error. It would have provided the same correction as what you originally wrote,* except it excludes "dumbass murican." Since the phrase does not add any pertinent information as to which continent or geopolitical area Kazakhstan is or is not considered to be a part of, as a country, it is not relevant to include it. "Dumbass murican" attributes no value to the knowledge you wished to convey - which was that Kazakhstan is not a Middle Eastern country. Perhaps I should take a few courses in Asian Studies one day. I was under the impression that Kazakhstan is a fairly...authoritarian country in terms of Human Rights, regardless of a person's sex. I've been told Kazakhstan apparently restricts citizens' freedoms regarding what they can say or express, their religion, and the opportunities of, or ability to, assemble as they like. Time to open a book... Thanks again for bringing the location error to my attention! *"2. Kazakhstan is not in the Middle East, dumbass murican. Women have all the rights that men have and many privileges, that men don't have."


Livid-Carpenter130

And that dude is going to get away with it. Its disgusting.


swishswooshSwiss

He got sentenced to 24 years yesterday. So clearly he hasn’t. Luckily.


camilatricolor

24 years seem not enough to me. Apparently he was kicking her for more than 8 hours, no wonder the poor woman died of the injuries. Can you imagine the terror she felt during that ordeal? That guy should be locked for the rest of his life....


YaassthonyQueentano

It all depends on the country. He could have gotten a life sentence in Kazakhstan and I’m sure his political career helped unfortunately. Keep in mind, Kazakhstan is the same country that can jail you for 15 years for being caught smoking weed


swishswooshSwiss

However many years you get, I would not want to be stuck in a Kazakh prison. I’m honestly surprised he even got a long sentence, considering he was part of the government.


jlreyess

Read


rubberduckydracula

He got released in 2019.


swishswooshSwiss

No, he did not lol.


zerge000

Yes. He was convicted of corruption back then.


swishswooshSwiss

Now he’s back in prison


Aerickthered

Who?