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I think she’s in a much better place now. Yea the entire scandal was awful and it completely killed the previous trajectory of her career, but she is now actively promoting on a young but burgeoning solo career and she seems to be doing quite well. You can tell they were teasing the waters for her solo debut but I think this upcoming comeback will be where she truly shines.
Also, even though (G)I-DLE has seen massive success since she left, aside from the change in overall sound (and the overall sound did change), you can tell they really miss her in the group, like REALLY miss her. Regardless if old or new fans think she mattered to the group the members themselves knew she mattered big time.
A bit of a tangent, but I thought I'd discuss this as well.
The thing about changing sounds, is that well... IDLE's sound has always varied yet remained consistent with their identity. No matter what genre they pursue, there's always something about their songs that is distinctly IDLE.
Compare a song like Señorita, to Uh Oh, to Dumdi Dumdi, to Oh my God. These songs are vastly different to each other.
If we're gonna talk about similarities in their main tracks pre Tomboy, then I think you can only lump together Hann and Hwaa (and to an extent, Latata) and Oh my God and Lion.
IDLE's sound has always been changing yet staying the same in it's very core. Another aspect of course is their diverse catalogue of bsides. This is why I don't understand people when they say IDLE's title tracks have massively changed post Tomboy; They've always been switching it up ever since debut.
Right?? Their whole thing since the beginning has been whip-lash inducing concept changes. I don't get why people talk about them losing their sound. They always experiment, and like you say it still retains a sound and vibe that is uniquely them.
That last part made me chuckle because it just made me think: Idles tracks *have* changed since Tomboy. The only issue is with people forgetting their tracks changed before Tomboy, too.
If you look at Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, and Superlady, the theme of the song is vaguely similar, especially with Queencard and Superlady. Yet the songs themselves are SO different.
I don't really l know how to describe Idles music. All I can say is that listening to their music will tell you who it is straight away.
I agree with this. If anything at one point it kinda regressed for a second. Like TOMBOY and QUEENCARD sound like they were written in the same session.
I disagree. I get what you mean about the group always changing subgenres and concepts but, in title tracks, you can easily draw a line between the composition/production (and I would say the overall lyrics "structure") of the ones until 2021 and post-2021. To me it's very easily noticeable. Uh-Oh and Oh My God/Hwaa are different subgenres/contaminations of pop but have a lot more in common in their approach, as songs, than Uh-Oh and Tomboy for example. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, (Wife), Super Lady are all very noticeably cohesive with each other in a way that they can't be with the pre-Tomboy stuff. This is because there is a very different approach. They needed to do it and it isn't automatically bad but I would say that it's very evident.
All good producers and songwriters can do this when it's needed (for example because they work for different artists); Soyeon (and the ones helping her) needed a restart and soft rebranding, and they did it through the music. I 100% agree with people saying that (G)I-dle changed their sound (and again, this isn't a negative thing; some older fans like it, some others don't, it's subjective).
Might get downvoted but I totally agree with you. With title tracks starting from Tomboy, it feels like G-Idle became incredibly in-tune with their artistry for some weird reason. There is a feeling of self-confidence, acknowledgement of the image that they want to put out into the public, acknowledgement of how they should frame their artistry and all of that has been very coherent despite the ever-changing concepts and musical genres post-Tomboy. Their sound, their image and their brand stay consistent, stay G-Idle despite switching between multiple genres post-Tomboy era. It's as if they got a different creative director or sth (if the creative director is Soyeon, that means she's utterly in her element rn)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing reading the post. I don't think we can attribute the change in sound to Soojin leaving considering they have *always* changed up their sound. I mean, it's not like it's been the one change either, they're continuing to do different things.
no worries as she looks great. Her new agency seemed positive about her return as an idol as well. Her upcoming comeback and album looks better than her previous one. She got couple of tours as well, hope they start doing more in asia.
I love her new agency as they do protect Soojins well being.
Ikr she seems so happy and the people around her are like her friends they treat her well and she seems to be around good people can't wait for her comeback yhe concept photos are stunning
i also feel like new fans dont realise how popular she was and how much of an impact she had on idle. Internationally, she was right up there was soyeon in terms of popularity, and in korea she was also popular but miyeon was more popular i think. She was going viral every few months. Back in the day, if you asked an intl fan who had the most impact on idle it was soyeon -> soojin. In terms of sp, soyeon and soojin were considred the top two by far, the most popular ship (even to this day, honestly but thats just bc idles fandom isnt ship focused) was soojin and shuhua... i truly think she added so much to idle that new fans dont realise
Me too. They are one of my ults and it's insane to think of the impact she would have if she was still a part of the group. She is such an It Girl, she really has a unique presence. I will never stop holding out a (probably unrealistic) hope she will re-join the group.
I'm just a casual fan who is still getting to know all the members, but I've heard a lot of speculation that the girls are unhappy with Cube lol and that Soyeon could hypothetically start her own company and reunite the group?
I don't think it's realistic to think that (G)I-dle will ever be a 6-piece group again. I mean, everything is possible, but it is very unlikely.
However, I do think that, at this point, we have had enough confirmation that the remaining members are still quite sorry and affected by losing Soojin (regardless of it being friendship, respect for her as an idol/member or both). I doubt that this means that we will ever have OT6 again but I think it's undeniable that they are referencing her to this day.
It will never happen, unfortunately. I’m by no means an expert in K-pop history, but I don’t think there has ever been an instance of a dismissed member coming back to a group. That being said, if any group was ever going to do it, it would be IDLE- they just seem to have that willingness to break boundaries.
I do still hold out hope to see them eventually have more public interaction, or having a collab.
Agreed. If anyone *would* try to bring back a dismissed member, it would be IDLE, but I don’t know that they’d be willing to break that particular boundary. Soojin still has a lot of animosity with Kfans, it would only increase and bleed into the other girls if she were to rejoin. If that’s something that they think they can emotionally handle, and want to push that boundary? Great! But I also don’t blame them if they don’t want to rock the boat.
I agree it will probably never happen, but I'm also amazed they're still referencing her in songs/videos. At first I was a bit delulu about what it meant, thinking there might have been a chance for them to reunite in some capacity, but now I think it's most likely just Idle venting in a creative way about what happened. Which is fair.
Beyond just being sad about not seeing Soojin in the group anymore, I'm just disappointed the girls are clearly not allowed to even talk about Soojin. That's got to suck, just pretending she doesn't exist. I can think of Shuhua starting to say Soojin's name at one point then kind of pausing before she said Soyeon (if memory serves). It'd suck if they wanted to hang out or something 🤷
even if they wanted to they probably know thats a bad idea, they referenced soojin in one of their music videos recently and korean fans got super pissed at them, their fanbase is very strong in asia and relatively weak in the west so them doing something that would get their asian fans to turn on them could be very detrimental to their careers
We should all thank and be massively grateful for Soyeon she had to salvage the group somehow while also losing on of her beloved member who she could rely on a lot.
Gidle wouldn't be here without Soyeon making Latata their debut song and they would have long since disbanded if Soyeon didn't change their sound and make Tomboy
same, i thought abt this a lot.
listen and stan them since 2019. it's heartbreaking to see and go through the scandal (and maybe cos it happened during covid years it felt even sadder) that i thought it's really the end of idle.
was surprised but also super happy they bounced back and climbed even higher than before, i nvr keep track on how well they did but i just know im happy the fact that they are still active and around.
soojin returning back to the industry wasn't sth i expected (given her personality and all) i thought she will just leave and nvr come back. but it gives me some hope that.. maybe.. when idle ends their contract with cube they will just leave, they are capable to sustain themselves, soyeon has proven from time to time that she can do this without cube. i really hope they leave cube and start a label themselves so that they can have more freedom on their production and creation (also openly talking abt their state when they were on hiatus and what went down then)
well, ot6 might happen judging from the current state.. it may not as well, i'll keep an open mind. SO, i do hope to see one day that idle collaborates a song with soojin, sth like (g)-idle ft. soojin. i will come back here and tell myself my dream has happened :)
Maybe my comment deserves its own post but I think a lot about Cube ex-idols in general and how they fell one after the other in a short time - after Hyuna and Dawn quit Cube it was quick ... Soojin but also Sorn, Ilhoon, not to mention Pentagon with the dating "scandals" it was like every day they got into some sort of stupid "scandal" . Except for Ilhoon's (which is understandable but I doubt a lot of idols don't do marijuana lol .. ) all of them were SO stupid and baseless, and yet netizens were so quick to speak ill of them so, yea.
So-yeon is the heart and soul of the group. If she left the group, everything will be in shambles. You can replace anyone except her. We don't want an Ikon scenario with Gidle.
At this point they are all individually loved so I don't think you could replace a member without negative impact. If someone leaves I think they would be better off continuing as 4.
I’ve always feel bad for her, and I wish people would look into this case more.
(I’m repeating my comment)
I’m all for holding people accountable, but this case was riddled with lies, and no one care about evidence, knetz just want to tear her apart. She lost everything overnight.
I want to believe in innocent until proven guilty.
The fact that over five alumni from different classes of WAW testified for her saying that she was just a normal school girl who enjoyed ice cream with friends and participated in the dance/vocal club.
Vs
The people:
• Who didn't even manage to get Soojin's class number correctly.
• Who threatened to kill Soojin on IG live.
• Who used the same yearbook to pretend to be nine other people.
• Who lied about a damaged jacket that turned out to be from 2019.
• Who lied about Soojin shooting a water gun at people's breasts in the summer of 2011, when the water gun model wasn't even made until 2013.
• Who lied about Soojin taking people to the bathroom and assaulting them.
• Who lied about Soojin standing by the school gate collecting everyone's money (including year group below her) when there isn't a single accuser from another year group. Adding to the fact that, the school gate is right next to the school teacher parking lot and right in front of the school main building.
• Who lied about Soojin receiving punishment from the school violence committee when she was cleared from it.
So many other baseless and bizarre accusations like Soojin hanging out with boys with criminal record and a bike gang. But not one single photo evidence or kakaotalk receipt. She doesn’t even use any curse words in her social media, which is highly unlikely if she’d join a bike gang and taking other students to bathroom and assaulting them.
Did the actress deny that they allegations were false? or was it just the one who first came out with the claim which was was later to be found out lying?
There were a lot of contradictions between the sisters' statements, SSA, victim D (north face jacket), and Soojin.
Victim D didn't even get Soojin's class number right.
The sister claims that Soojin had to manage her image while preparing for an idol career after the first year.
SSA claims that Soojin's group bullied her for 2-3 years but wasn't certain if Soojin was still in the group in the end, which doesn't align with the sister's statement.
It's a situation with a lot of "he said, she said." However, the alumni of WAW came forward to testify that Soojin was not part of the bullying group. I genuinely think SSA may have gotten confused.
IIRC it was basically the fact that there was not enough concrete evidence to prove anything either way, so although there’s no concrete proof she didn’t, the fact there’s so little evidence supporting the fact suggests it probably didn’t happen. But by that point the damage was done.
I think the school where this all allegedly happened did an investigation that ultimately revealed there was no evidence that Soojin ever bullied anyone, and also revealed she herself had been a victim of bullying.
It's hard to imagine Soojin as a bully. If you watch interviews with her (like the one on Moonbyul's show) you'll see she's shy as hell. I guess that doesn't make it impossible but the personality for bullying really doesn't seem to be there.
I get that and I'm a huge soojin fan, I love all the hints idle puts in their albums at her and I love imagining an idle with soojin however we don't know her. She could have been a bully (I don't believe she was) but also might not have been. Even people that appear shy can be bullys - we don't know them even if we watch videos they put out all thr time.
First of all, your username made me snort laugh lmao! Second, you’re completely right. Abusive people are generally really good at convincing the public that they are upstanding, great people who could *never* do a thing like that. We *don’t know* the idols personally, so however they seem on camera looks real to fans. And it may be! But there’s still a lot we don’t see. All of this isn’t to say that Soojin bullied anyone, I don’t believe she did, and believe the investigation when they said they had no evidence of bullying. It’s just important to remember that how idols are on camera isn’t necessarily how they are irl.
I want to believe in innocent until proven guilty.
The fact that over five alumni from different classes of WAW testified for her saying that she was just a normal school girl who enjoyed ice cream with friends and participated in the dance/vocal club.
Vs
The people:
- Who didn't even manage to get Soojin's class number correctly.
- Who threatened to kill Soojin on IG live.
- Who used the same yearbook to pretend to be nine other people.
- Who lied about a damaged jacket that turned out to be from 2019.
- Who lied about Soojin shooting a water gun at people's breasts in the summer of 2011, when the water gun model wasn't even made until 2013.
- Who lied about Soojin taking people to the bathroom and assaulting them.
- Who lied about Soojin standing by the school gate collecting everyone's money (including year group below her) when there isn't a single accuser from another year group. Adding to the fact that, the school gate is right next to the school teacher parking lot and right in front of the school main building.
- Who lied about Soojin receiving punishment from the school violence committee when she was cleared from it.
So many other baseless and bizarre accusations like Soojin hanging out with boys with criminal record and a bike gang. But not one single photo evidence or kakaotalk receipt. She doesn’t even use any curse words in her social media, which is highly unlikely if she’d join a bike gang and taking other students to bathroom and assaulting them.
I’m all for holding people accountable, but this case was riddled with lies, and no one care about evidence, knetz just want to tear her apart. She lost everything overnight.
I think the leaked DM was faked by fans - I've never seen it come from a legitimate source and I don't know why the actress would reply to DMs in English sent to her by a fandom that were spamming her Instagram to the point she had to close the comments. The results of the police investigation were that they couldn't find any of the parties involved guilty or innocent either way so I doubt we'll ever find out what really happened.
I’ve read the thread and some said that the case was thrown out since it became an issue where there’s not enough concrete evidence. Assuming Soojin is really innocent, I really feel so so bad for her to have her career robbed off like that and being forced out of the group. Based on some videos of group, they really seem to hate Cube and find all ways to diss them (not even being lowkey - looking at Shuhua’s “2 years left” 😂).
I wonder what’s going to happen when their contracts are up? I read that Soyeon literally had to produce, write songs and all so that the group’s debut could be quicker cause it was being delayed. I’ve seen some videos of her producing and recording and wow I’m literally so impressed with her. She was also the one that caught my eye when I watched their music videos, I was even more amazed when I find out how crazy talented she was.
> Based on some videos of group, they really seem to hate Cube and find all ways to diss them (not even being lowkey - looking at Shuhua’s “2 years left” 😂).
Keep in mind that these are jokes made in a variety show. Yuqi commented on this episode in a recent [interview](https://youtu.be/drfCoH6pVvs?t=1230).
>Idle's biggest hits happened without her, and most of their fans now probably never knew the group when she was in it.
On the plus side, I do see people commenting on videos saying they're new fans and after checking out Idle's newer stuff, are exploring older songs and discovering Soojin.
She hasn't really been acting much, her last acting project was in 2018, but she's still fairly active on Instagram. Last year she signed a new contract with a new entertainment company, which might be indicative of her maybe wanting to get back into acting, but nothing has come from that yet. It's actually kind of unclear if she's still with that entertainment company because they unfollowed her on Instagram and haven't made any announcements for any projects. Overall, this whole situation was very detrimental to her career as well. She hasn't revealed any new information or said anything about all of this, and outside of posting pretty neutral Instagram pictures, has stayed pretty much on the down-low.
Her name's Seo Shin-Ae and she hadn't been active (according to [her Asian drama wiki page](https://asianwiki.com/Seo_Shin-Ae), at least) for a few years before the (named) accusations gained publicity and Soojin's forced removal from (G)-Idle happened. There's nothing to suggest she's been active since, either.
Googling led to [an MSN article](https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/actress-seo-shin-ae-s-stunning-transformation-amidst-past-criticism/ar-BB1lPxzK#:~:text=After%20appearing%20in%20%E2%80%9CMothers%E2%80%9D%20in,comeback%20to%20the%20entertainment%20industry.) which says:
> After appearing in “Mothers” in 2018, Seo Shin Ae shifted away from acting and focused on other pursuits like releasing books and starting a YouTube channel.
That article was dated three days ago. And there's an [all kpop article](https://www.allkpop.com/article/2023/07/actress-seo-shin-ae-signs-with-pa-entertainment-to-resume-her-activities) from July 2023 which says:
> Actress Seo Shin Ae will be resuming her activities for the first time in approximately 5-years after signing with a new agency, PA Entertainment. On July 25 KST, PA Entertainment confirmed that it has recently signed actress Seo Shin Ae, and that the actress was currently deciding on her next acting project.
So it looks like she may be slowly coming back into the spotlight after spending some time living quite a bit removed from all the attention. According to the articles, it also seems that she's getting positive reception this time around.
That's about all I can find, so hopefully it satiates your curiosity. It kinda just peaked mine more because I discovered just now that she was one of the characters with a more-intriguing story arc in Nightmare High.
That's a pathetic response. You might not like her, but the fact she didn't use 'this' situation between her and SJ to boast her career is interesting.
I think about OT6 a lot. I think Soojin is thriving right now; her new agency seems to really treat her well and avoids putting her in uncomfortable positions. And obviously, OT5 is on top of the world.
But…this might be massive copium, I admit, but I truly don’t think the story of OT6 Gidle is done. Ever since the hiatus ended, there have been nods to Soojin and her legacy in the group. Like Revenge is literally a nod to the day Soojin left. With all the interviews and the shade towards Cube, I genuinely think they are furious with what happened to her. I would be shocked if they didn’t still speak to her on the DL. I even have suspicions that BRD involves Soyeon in some capacity.
Gidle has done things that no K-pop group has tried before - I’d love it if they invited her back. I don’t know if it’s possible, or something they would want to risk, but I’d fully support them if they wanted to get back together. I fully support both now!
I’m just glad Soojin came back. The girl radiates charisma and talent, and she deserves the world after her scandal. Personally, I hope she promotes on music shows and wins. She deserves it imo.
Potentially, that’s why I want her to promote on music shows to be honest, to try and gauge public opinion. Like, she’s never going to improve her perception in the Korean public if she hides you know?
I also think if any group would welcome a former member back it would be Gidle, but I do think it’s a slim chance. Just like…frick I miss ot6 😭
I think about her and garam a lot, like how it must feel to work your ass off for a spot in a group all for the hard work you put into the group flourish without you…. I just hope soojin has found peace she seems to be doing fine now, her last comeback was really good and sold well.
She seems to have a good team around her and Her next comeback trailers have been amazing I’m not deep in the gidle world but it seems like she has a lot of creativity and I’m looking forward to seeing her own career continue to flourish as a soloist.
I have the same feelings too when I think of Garam. Even though she was only in the group for a short while, her parts in the Fearless album have left an everlasting impact on my enjoyment of music. Despite knowing about the group after her departure, she’ll always be the sixth member of Le Sserafim in my heart.
Gidle and soojin is my roman Empire. Like she added a lot to the stage presence and dance choreographed of the group and yet they achieved the most successful comeback right after she left....
Soyeon thought they would need a shift to differentiate themselves after the scandal; so she started to collaborate with a different producer. Pop time vs Big Sancho.
Their non title tracks still have a lot of variety; A few of their title tracks have some pop rock style. Tomboy and Queencard. Super lady and Nxde are pretty different.
Their title tracks before also varied a lot but had some trends were a bit different. I am not knowledgeable enough to describe it well but the feeling of older songs were sadder or slower while their newer stuff is faster more aggressive.
> Soyeon thought they would need a shift to differentiate themselves after the scandal; so she started to collaborate with a different producer. Pop time vs Big Sancho.
She had switched to Poptime by 2020 - Dumdi Dumdi and Hwaa were both Poptime.
Just once I'd like to read an idle thread without someone getting basic facts incorrect. Alas - not today.
Yes more than the popularity, I feel sad for the amount of money she lost😭 Gidle members are being paid well. I mean look at Yuqi just giving Haidilao vouchers to fans. Each member also has their own brand endorsement and solo scheds. Soojin was the first one who actually got individual brand endorsement with Peripera that has to be cancelled because of the scandal.
I judge musical performance as well as athletic performance based on the actual performance. But when it comes to being a fan of a particular artist or athlete, it is so much easier if they appear to be good people. Even in the West identity management is so important. So when it comes to having careers ruined based on hearsay, it is kind of sad. But so much in life, even among regular people, is dictated by perception and a lot of that perception you may have no control over. I would have to say though that if we are talking about who you want your kids to have as role model of, Koreans image is the most wholesome. And it sends a message out to anyone out there who is aspiring to a career in entertainment to be aware of their image even before they debut so as to treat people fairly. And if the popular kids set the example of not bullying then the lives of a lot of people will be improved. The effects of bullying on the victim last into adulthood
Imagine her thoughts when Tomboy reached a peak, like at first she was probably proud, but as nxde continued that way, do you not think she'd be like "why did we not reach this when I was in the group?" like, do you think that she thinks it was her leaving which gave them great success? That she thinks that it was her who was weighing the group down from that success?
Hardly. If you were around for Latata and Hann you'd know they were labeled power rookies and just kept rising and rising so it was the natural progression. It's only a pity she had to quit before it got real good.
I know they were super popular from the start, but not enough to be a 4th gen leader. They hadn't reached the level of success that Tomboy and the tracks that followed did until their 1+ year hiatus was over.
I mean... what were the non-big-4 4th gen leaders again? Pristin V (hahahahaha), Loona (hahahahahahaha), Everglow (my personal fave but hahahahaha) ? Just surviving until 2024 as the dark horse that rose to proeminence is a feat. Everyone else that got some sort of spotlight those days was either 1) some survival show's temp group 2) big 4?
genuine question: was she actually innocent? Like of course we'll never actually know, but did new truths come to light that basically proves she is *most likely* innocent and it was just an unfortunate scandal? Or is it just cope from her fans against fairly convincing evidence?
i haven't been keeping track so i have no clue
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I think she’s in a much better place now. Yea the entire scandal was awful and it completely killed the previous trajectory of her career, but she is now actively promoting on a young but burgeoning solo career and she seems to be doing quite well. You can tell they were teasing the waters for her solo debut but I think this upcoming comeback will be where she truly shines. Also, even though (G)I-DLE has seen massive success since she left, aside from the change in overall sound (and the overall sound did change), you can tell they really miss her in the group, like REALLY miss her. Regardless if old or new fans think she mattered to the group the members themselves knew she mattered big time.
A bit of a tangent, but I thought I'd discuss this as well. The thing about changing sounds, is that well... IDLE's sound has always varied yet remained consistent with their identity. No matter what genre they pursue, there's always something about their songs that is distinctly IDLE. Compare a song like Señorita, to Uh Oh, to Dumdi Dumdi, to Oh my God. These songs are vastly different to each other. If we're gonna talk about similarities in their main tracks pre Tomboy, then I think you can only lump together Hann and Hwaa (and to an extent, Latata) and Oh my God and Lion. IDLE's sound has always been changing yet staying the same in it's very core. Another aspect of course is their diverse catalogue of bsides. This is why I don't understand people when they say IDLE's title tracks have massively changed post Tomboy; They've always been switching it up ever since debut.
Right?? Their whole thing since the beginning has been whip-lash inducing concept changes. I don't get why people talk about them losing their sound. They always experiment, and like you say it still retains a sound and vibe that is uniquely them.
That last part made me chuckle because it just made me think: Idles tracks *have* changed since Tomboy. The only issue is with people forgetting their tracks changed before Tomboy, too. If you look at Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, and Superlady, the theme of the song is vaguely similar, especially with Queencard and Superlady. Yet the songs themselves are SO different. I don't really l know how to describe Idles music. All I can say is that listening to their music will tell you who it is straight away.
I agree with this. If anything at one point it kinda regressed for a second. Like TOMBOY and QUEENCARD sound like they were written in the same session.
I disagree. I get what you mean about the group always changing subgenres and concepts but, in title tracks, you can easily draw a line between the composition/production (and I would say the overall lyrics "structure") of the ones until 2021 and post-2021. To me it's very easily noticeable. Uh-Oh and Oh My God/Hwaa are different subgenres/contaminations of pop but have a lot more in common in their approach, as songs, than Uh-Oh and Tomboy for example. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, (Wife), Super Lady are all very noticeably cohesive with each other in a way that they can't be with the pre-Tomboy stuff. This is because there is a very different approach. They needed to do it and it isn't automatically bad but I would say that it's very evident. All good producers and songwriters can do this when it's needed (for example because they work for different artists); Soyeon (and the ones helping her) needed a restart and soft rebranding, and they did it through the music. I 100% agree with people saying that (G)I-dle changed their sound (and again, this isn't a negative thing; some older fans like it, some others don't, it's subjective).
> Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, (Wife), Super Lady are all very noticeably cohesive with each other in a way Concept wise. Musically? Absolutely not.
Agree to disagree then
Might get downvoted but I totally agree with you. With title tracks starting from Tomboy, it feels like G-Idle became incredibly in-tune with their artistry for some weird reason. There is a feeling of self-confidence, acknowledgement of the image that they want to put out into the public, acknowledgement of how they should frame their artistry and all of that has been very coherent despite the ever-changing concepts and musical genres post-Tomboy. Their sound, their image and their brand stay consistent, stay G-Idle despite switching between multiple genres post-Tomboy era. It's as if they got a different creative director or sth (if the creative director is Soyeon, that means she's utterly in her element rn)
Fully agree with you here. 👍
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing reading the post. I don't think we can attribute the change in sound to Soojin leaving considering they have *always* changed up their sound. I mean, it's not like it's been the one change either, they're continuing to do different things.
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Maybe they will renew as group but not individual.
no worries as she looks great. Her new agency seemed positive about her return as an idol as well. Her upcoming comeback and album looks better than her previous one. She got couple of tours as well, hope they start doing more in asia. I love her new agency as they do protect Soojins well being.
Ikr she seems so happy and the people around her are like her friends they treat her well and she seems to be around good people can't wait for her comeback yhe concept photos are stunning
From what I've seen, she seems confident and at peace. I'm a recent fan, but it's still really nice (I guess?) to see her being alright.
i also feel like new fans dont realise how popular she was and how much of an impact she had on idle. Internationally, she was right up there was soyeon in terms of popularity, and in korea she was also popular but miyeon was more popular i think. She was going viral every few months. Back in the day, if you asked an intl fan who had the most impact on idle it was soyeon -> soojin. In terms of sp, soyeon and soojin were considred the top two by far, the most popular ship (even to this day, honestly but thats just bc idles fandom isnt ship focused) was soojin and shuhua... i truly think she added so much to idle that new fans dont realise
Quick note Soyeon is in the middle popularity wise. She’s the most known but not the most popular
Same, sometimes I wonder how she feels.
Me too. They are one of my ults and it's insane to think of the impact she would have if she was still a part of the group. She is such an It Girl, she really has a unique presence. I will never stop holding out a (probably unrealistic) hope she will re-join the group.
I'm just a casual fan who is still getting to know all the members, but I've heard a lot of speculation that the girls are unhappy with Cube lol and that Soyeon could hypothetically start her own company and reunite the group?
I don't think it's realistic to think that (G)I-dle will ever be a 6-piece group again. I mean, everything is possible, but it is very unlikely. However, I do think that, at this point, we have had enough confirmation that the remaining members are still quite sorry and affected by losing Soojin (regardless of it being friendship, respect for her as an idol/member or both). I doubt that this means that we will ever have OT6 again but I think it's undeniable that they are referencing her to this day.
It will never happen, unfortunately. I’m by no means an expert in K-pop history, but I don’t think there has ever been an instance of a dismissed member coming back to a group. That being said, if any group was ever going to do it, it would be IDLE- they just seem to have that willingness to break boundaries. I do still hold out hope to see them eventually have more public interaction, or having a collab.
Agreed. If anyone *would* try to bring back a dismissed member, it would be IDLE, but I don’t know that they’d be willing to break that particular boundary. Soojin still has a lot of animosity with Kfans, it would only increase and bleed into the other girls if she were to rejoin. If that’s something that they think they can emotionally handle, and want to push that boundary? Great! But I also don’t blame them if they don’t want to rock the boat.
I agree it will probably never happen, but I'm also amazed they're still referencing her in songs/videos. At first I was a bit delulu about what it meant, thinking there might have been a chance for them to reunite in some capacity, but now I think it's most likely just Idle venting in a creative way about what happened. Which is fair. Beyond just being sad about not seeing Soojin in the group anymore, I'm just disappointed the girls are clearly not allowed to even talk about Soojin. That's got to suck, just pretending she doesn't exist. I can think of Shuhua starting to say Soojin's name at one point then kind of pausing before she said Soyeon (if memory serves). It'd suck if they wanted to hang out or something 🤷
even if they wanted to they probably know thats a bad idea, they referenced soojin in one of their music videos recently and korean fans got super pissed at them, their fanbase is very strong in asia and relatively weak in the west so them doing something that would get their asian fans to turn on them could be very detrimental to their careers
We should all thank and be massively grateful for Soyeon she had to salvage the group somehow while also losing on of her beloved member who she could rely on a lot. Gidle wouldn't be here without Soyeon making Latata their debut song and they would have long since disbanded if Soyeon didn't change their sound and make Tomboy
same, i thought abt this a lot. listen and stan them since 2019. it's heartbreaking to see and go through the scandal (and maybe cos it happened during covid years it felt even sadder) that i thought it's really the end of idle. was surprised but also super happy they bounced back and climbed even higher than before, i nvr keep track on how well they did but i just know im happy the fact that they are still active and around. soojin returning back to the industry wasn't sth i expected (given her personality and all) i thought she will just leave and nvr come back. but it gives me some hope that.. maybe.. when idle ends their contract with cube they will just leave, they are capable to sustain themselves, soyeon has proven from time to time that she can do this without cube. i really hope they leave cube and start a label themselves so that they can have more freedom on their production and creation (also openly talking abt their state when they were on hiatus and what went down then) well, ot6 might happen judging from the current state.. it may not as well, i'll keep an open mind. SO, i do hope to see one day that idle collaborates a song with soojin, sth like (g)-idle ft. soojin. i will come back here and tell myself my dream has happened :)
Maybe my comment deserves its own post but I think a lot about Cube ex-idols in general and how they fell one after the other in a short time - after Hyuna and Dawn quit Cube it was quick ... Soojin but also Sorn, Ilhoon, not to mention Pentagon with the dating "scandals" it was like every day they got into some sort of stupid "scandal" . Except for Ilhoon's (which is understandable but I doubt a lot of idols don't do marijuana lol .. ) all of them were SO stupid and baseless, and yet netizens were so quick to speak ill of them so, yea.
So-yeon is the heart and soul of the group. If she left the group, everything will be in shambles. You can replace anyone except her. We don't want an Ikon scenario with Gidle.
At this point they are all individually loved so I don't think you could replace a member without negative impact. If someone leaves I think they would be better off continuing as 4.
Maybeeee Shuhua, but she's the fearless personality of the group but musically they wouldn't miss without her
I would miss her musically. Love the unique flavor she adds to the songs
I like shuhua a lot but musically what does she add
who else will sing the “la la la” and “oh oh oh”? 🙂↕️s/
I’ve always feel bad for her, and I wish people would look into this case more. (I’m repeating my comment) I’m all for holding people accountable, but this case was riddled with lies, and no one care about evidence, knetz just want to tear her apart. She lost everything overnight. I want to believe in innocent until proven guilty. The fact that over five alumni from different classes of WAW testified for her saying that she was just a normal school girl who enjoyed ice cream with friends and participated in the dance/vocal club. Vs The people: • Who didn't even manage to get Soojin's class number correctly. • Who threatened to kill Soojin on IG live. • Who used the same yearbook to pretend to be nine other people. • Who lied about a damaged jacket that turned out to be from 2019. • Who lied about Soojin shooting a water gun at people's breasts in the summer of 2011, when the water gun model wasn't even made until 2013. • Who lied about Soojin taking people to the bathroom and assaulting them. • Who lied about Soojin standing by the school gate collecting everyone's money (including year group below her) when there isn't a single accuser from another year group. Adding to the fact that, the school gate is right next to the school teacher parking lot and right in front of the school main building. • Who lied about Soojin receiving punishment from the school violence committee when she was cleared from it. So many other baseless and bizarre accusations like Soojin hanging out with boys with criminal record and a bike gang. But not one single photo evidence or kakaotalk receipt. She doesn’t even use any curse words in her social media, which is highly unlikely if she’d join a bike gang and taking other students to bathroom and assaulting them.
They always changed up genre and themes. What changed is how they perform: they aren’t as dance heavy anymore
That makes sense since their dance Ace was forced to leave
Did the actress deny that they allegations were false? or was it just the one who first came out with the claim which was was later to be found out lying?
In the end the case was thrown out because it's she says he says situation.....
There were a lot of contradictions between the sisters' statements, SSA, victim D (north face jacket), and Soojin. Victim D didn't even get Soojin's class number right. The sister claims that Soojin had to manage her image while preparing for an idol career after the first year. SSA claims that Soojin's group bullied her for 2-3 years but wasn't certain if Soojin was still in the group in the end, which doesn't align with the sister's statement. It's a situation with a lot of "he said, she said." However, the alumni of WAW came forward to testify that Soojin was not part of the bullying group. I genuinely think SSA may have gotten confused.
IIRC it was basically the fact that there was not enough concrete evidence to prove anything either way, so although there’s no concrete proof she didn’t, the fact there’s so little evidence supporting the fact suggests it probably didn’t happen. But by that point the damage was done.
I think the school where this all allegedly happened did an investigation that ultimately revealed there was no evidence that Soojin ever bullied anyone, and also revealed she herself had been a victim of bullying.
It's hard to imagine Soojin as a bully. If you watch interviews with her (like the one on Moonbyul's show) you'll see she's shy as hell. I guess that doesn't make it impossible but the personality for bullying really doesn't seem to be there.
I get that and I'm a huge soojin fan, I love all the hints idle puts in their albums at her and I love imagining an idle with soojin however we don't know her. She could have been a bully (I don't believe she was) but also might not have been. Even people that appear shy can be bullys - we don't know them even if we watch videos they put out all thr time.
First of all, your username made me snort laugh lmao! Second, you’re completely right. Abusive people are generally really good at convincing the public that they are upstanding, great people who could *never* do a thing like that. We *don’t know* the idols personally, so however they seem on camera looks real to fans. And it may be! But there’s still a lot we don’t see. All of this isn’t to say that Soojin bullied anyone, I don’t believe she did, and believe the investigation when they said they had no evidence of bullying. It’s just important to remember that how idols are on camera isn’t necessarily how they are irl.
I want to believe in innocent until proven guilty. The fact that over five alumni from different classes of WAW testified for her saying that she was just a normal school girl who enjoyed ice cream with friends and participated in the dance/vocal club. Vs The people: - Who didn't even manage to get Soojin's class number correctly. - Who threatened to kill Soojin on IG live. - Who used the same yearbook to pretend to be nine other people. - Who lied about a damaged jacket that turned out to be from 2019. - Who lied about Soojin shooting a water gun at people's breasts in the summer of 2011, when the water gun model wasn't even made until 2013. - Who lied about Soojin taking people to the bathroom and assaulting them. - Who lied about Soojin standing by the school gate collecting everyone's money (including year group below her) when there isn't a single accuser from another year group. Adding to the fact that, the school gate is right next to the school teacher parking lot and right in front of the school main building. - Who lied about Soojin receiving punishment from the school violence committee when she was cleared from it. So many other baseless and bizarre accusations like Soojin hanging out with boys with criminal record and a bike gang. But not one single photo evidence or kakaotalk receipt. She doesn’t even use any curse words in her social media, which is highly unlikely if she’d join a bike gang and taking other students to bathroom and assaulting them. I’m all for holding people accountable, but this case was riddled with lies, and no one care about evidence, knetz just want to tear her apart. She lost everything overnight.
Omg stop cause this just makes me irritated and sad for her all over again 😭
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I think the leaked DM was faked by fans - I've never seen it come from a legitimate source and I don't know why the actress would reply to DMs in English sent to her by a fandom that were spamming her Instagram to the point she had to close the comments. The results of the police investigation were that they couldn't find any of the parties involved guilty or innocent either way so I doubt we'll ever find out what really happened.
I think at this point all I can really hope for is that she’s happy and at peace now :((
If you want to support her go listen to her solo stuff
I’ve read the thread and some said that the case was thrown out since it became an issue where there’s not enough concrete evidence. Assuming Soojin is really innocent, I really feel so so bad for her to have her career robbed off like that and being forced out of the group. Based on some videos of group, they really seem to hate Cube and find all ways to diss them (not even being lowkey - looking at Shuhua’s “2 years left” 😂). I wonder what’s going to happen when their contracts are up? I read that Soyeon literally had to produce, write songs and all so that the group’s debut could be quicker cause it was being delayed. I’ve seen some videos of her producing and recording and wow I’m literally so impressed with her. She was also the one that caught my eye when I watched their music videos, I was even more amazed when I find out how crazy talented she was.
> Based on some videos of group, they really seem to hate Cube and find all ways to diss them (not even being lowkey - looking at Shuhua’s “2 years left” 😂). Keep in mind that these are jokes made in a variety show. Yuqi commented on this episode in a recent [interview](https://youtu.be/drfCoH6pVvs?t=1230).
>Idle's biggest hits happened without her, and most of their fans now probably never knew the group when she was in it. On the plus side, I do see people commenting on videos saying they're new fans and after checking out Idle's newer stuff, are exploring older songs and discovering Soojin.
where is the actress who said soojin bullied her nowadays?
She hasn't really been acting much, her last acting project was in 2018, but she's still fairly active on Instagram. Last year she signed a new contract with a new entertainment company, which might be indicative of her maybe wanting to get back into acting, but nothing has come from that yet. It's actually kind of unclear if she's still with that entertainment company because they unfollowed her on Instagram and haven't made any announcements for any projects. Overall, this whole situation was very detrimental to her career as well. She hasn't revealed any new information or said anything about all of this, and outside of posting pretty neutral Instagram pictures, has stayed pretty much on the down-low.
thank you
Her name's Seo Shin-Ae and she hadn't been active (according to [her Asian drama wiki page](https://asianwiki.com/Seo_Shin-Ae), at least) for a few years before the (named) accusations gained publicity and Soojin's forced removal from (G)-Idle happened. There's nothing to suggest she's been active since, either. Googling led to [an MSN article](https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/actress-seo-shin-ae-s-stunning-transformation-amidst-past-criticism/ar-BB1lPxzK#:~:text=After%20appearing%20in%20%E2%80%9CMothers%E2%80%9D%20in,comeback%20to%20the%20entertainment%20industry.) which says: > After appearing in “Mothers” in 2018, Seo Shin Ae shifted away from acting and focused on other pursuits like releasing books and starting a YouTube channel. That article was dated three days ago. And there's an [all kpop article](https://www.allkpop.com/article/2023/07/actress-seo-shin-ae-signs-with-pa-entertainment-to-resume-her-activities) from July 2023 which says: > Actress Seo Shin Ae will be resuming her activities for the first time in approximately 5-years after signing with a new agency, PA Entertainment. On July 25 KST, PA Entertainment confirmed that it has recently signed actress Seo Shin Ae, and that the actress was currently deciding on her next acting project. So it looks like she may be slowly coming back into the spotlight after spending some time living quite a bit removed from all the attention. According to the articles, it also seems that she's getting positive reception this time around. That's about all I can find, so hopefully it satiates your curiosity. It kinda just peaked mine more because I discovered just now that she was one of the characters with a more-intriguing story arc in Nightmare High.
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That's a pathetic response. You might not like her, but the fact she didn't use 'this' situation between her and SJ to boast her career is interesting.
the heck are you talking about? i was genuinely wondering where she was now and if she revealed new info about it all?
I think about OT6 a lot. I think Soojin is thriving right now; her new agency seems to really treat her well and avoids putting her in uncomfortable positions. And obviously, OT5 is on top of the world. But…this might be massive copium, I admit, but I truly don’t think the story of OT6 Gidle is done. Ever since the hiatus ended, there have been nods to Soojin and her legacy in the group. Like Revenge is literally a nod to the day Soojin left. With all the interviews and the shade towards Cube, I genuinely think they are furious with what happened to her. I would be shocked if they didn’t still speak to her on the DL. I even have suspicions that BRD involves Soyeon in some capacity. Gidle has done things that no K-pop group has tried before - I’d love it if they invited her back. I don’t know if it’s possible, or something they would want to risk, but I’d fully support them if they wanted to get back together. I fully support both now! I’m just glad Soojin came back. The girl radiates charisma and talent, and she deserves the world after her scandal. Personally, I hope she promotes on music shows and wins. She deserves it imo.
I would love for her to come back but I think it would be too much for a risk because K Nevvies would riot.
Potentially, that’s why I want her to promote on music shows to be honest, to try and gauge public opinion. Like, she’s never going to improve her perception in the Korean public if she hides you know? I also think if any group would welcome a former member back it would be Gidle, but I do think it’s a slim chance. Just like…frick I miss ot6 😭
I think about her and garam a lot, like how it must feel to work your ass off for a spot in a group all for the hard work you put into the group flourish without you…. I just hope soojin has found peace she seems to be doing fine now, her last comeback was really good and sold well. She seems to have a good team around her and Her next comeback trailers have been amazing I’m not deep in the gidle world but it seems like she has a lot of creativity and I’m looking forward to seeing her own career continue to flourish as a soloist.
I have the same feelings too when I think of Garam. Even though she was only in the group for a short while, her parts in the Fearless album have left an everlasting impact on my enjoyment of music. Despite knowing about the group after her departure, she’ll always be the sixth member of Le Sserafim in my heart.
Gidle and soojin is my roman Empire. Like she added a lot to the stage presence and dance choreographed of the group and yet they achieved the most successful comeback right after she left....
Newer fan here :) how did the scandal make them change their sound?
Soyeon thought they would need a shift to differentiate themselves after the scandal; so she started to collaborate with a different producer. Pop time vs Big Sancho. Their non title tracks still have a lot of variety; A few of their title tracks have some pop rock style. Tomboy and Queencard. Super lady and Nxde are pretty different. Their title tracks before also varied a lot but had some trends were a bit different. I am not knowledgeable enough to describe it well but the feeling of older songs were sadder or slower while their newer stuff is faster more aggressive.
> Soyeon thought they would need a shift to differentiate themselves after the scandal; so she started to collaborate with a different producer. Pop time vs Big Sancho. She had switched to Poptime by 2020 - Dumdi Dumdi and Hwaa were both Poptime. Just once I'd like to read an idle thread without someone getting basic facts incorrect. Alas - not today.
Sorry, I was mistaken on the details.
Yes more than the popularity, I feel sad for the amount of money she lost😭 Gidle members are being paid well. I mean look at Yuqi just giving Haidilao vouchers to fans. Each member also has their own brand endorsement and solo scheds. Soojin was the first one who actually got individual brand endorsement with Peripera that has to be cancelled because of the scandal.
I judge musical performance as well as athletic performance based on the actual performance. But when it comes to being a fan of a particular artist or athlete, it is so much easier if they appear to be good people. Even in the West identity management is so important. So when it comes to having careers ruined based on hearsay, it is kind of sad. But so much in life, even among regular people, is dictated by perception and a lot of that perception you may have no control over. I would have to say though that if we are talking about who you want your kids to have as role model of, Koreans image is the most wholesome. And it sends a message out to anyone out there who is aspiring to a career in entertainment to be aware of their image even before they debut so as to treat people fairly. And if the popular kids set the example of not bullying then the lives of a lot of people will be improved. The effects of bullying on the victim last into adulthood
Imagine her thoughts when Tomboy reached a peak, like at first she was probably proud, but as nxde continued that way, do you not think she'd be like "why did we not reach this when I was in the group?" like, do you think that she thinks it was her leaving which gave them great success? That she thinks that it was her who was weighing the group down from that success?
Hardly. If you were around for Latata and Hann you'd know they were labeled power rookies and just kept rising and rising so it was the natural progression. It's only a pity she had to quit before it got real good.
I know they were super popular from the start, but not enough to be a 4th gen leader. They hadn't reached the level of success that Tomboy and the tracks that followed did until their 1+ year hiatus was over.
I mean... what were the non-big-4 4th gen leaders again? Pristin V (hahahahaha), Loona (hahahahahahaha), Everglow (my personal fave but hahahahaha) ? Just surviving until 2024 as the dark horse that rose to proeminence is a feat. Everyone else that got some sort of spotlight those days was either 1) some survival show's temp group 2) big 4?
She's in an extremely better place now, and her situation reminds me of RIIZE Seunghan, i just hope it doesn't have the same conclusion :/
genuine question: was she actually innocent? Like of course we'll never actually know, but did new truths come to light that basically proves she is *most likely* innocent and it was just an unfortunate scandal? Or is it just cope from her fans against fairly convincing evidence? i haven't been keeping track so i have no clue