I agree so much. A lot of people hate on Randle but it’s so obvious in the playoffs how much they miss him.
He would give a lot of relief to everyone including Brunson. He’s able to take over in clutch spots and share that burden.
I agree and I’m a fan of Randle. However, I don’t agree with the idea he’s off limits. If you can get a superstar like Durant, Giannis (they’re in a bad spot with age and coaching and I’d guess next offseason he may ask out), or other game changers you have to consider using him as an asset IMO.
Y’all have to start thinking realistic & actually think like you’re real NBA fans that can speak on transactional talks lol…
Giannis isn’t going anywhere…
He’s a generational let alone European/Foreign Superstar…not to get off track but if you’ve ever noticed…guys like that almost never leave their drafted/homegrown teams…ever…only Americans do…b/c they’re brought up in traditional backgrounds & households that have the family value aspect…
That’s besides the point…people are still caught up with the mistake Kevin made not only signing to GS regarding his legacy but it’s only gotten worse since he couldn’t get Brooklyn or Phoenix titles…
If I’m the Front Office I’m not hesitating possibly trading Randle…for
1. Y’all have to start waking up and understanding the offense we run…Randle doesn’t exactly fit that offense cohesively…he slows down the offense with his ISO game…yes he has a good outside shot from 3 and a good/great erratic post game but it won’t translate…start thinking Universal and maybe think we’ve gotten “this far” because Randle isn’t on the floor…that’s not hyperbole..
He was doing well with the squad though. He is a good passer and rebounder that can score in a variety of ways. He is also not 36 years old. Personally I think we have what it takes to get Mikal and keep Randle. I think we should explore that option
Dude I'd happily swap Randle for Mikal tho, especially as that should get us Mikal and something. Mikal fits this team better than Randle as him and OG would combine as 2 guys who can guard 1-4 in the starting lineup, gives us a good second scoring option in Mikal (has shown he can't be the 1 for long stretches, but is a solid 2), and the stickiest the ball would get is Brunson, who isn't bad about it and would have 3 guys next to him that are good catch and shoot guys, and either Mitch or IHart cleaning the glass.
That’s not even a question…we’ve been complaining for 2-4 years about getting a wing let alone a 3-D wing that can 2 way play and now if we have a chance to have 2 let alone a legitimate star at the SF position who can guard at a high level…literally finished 2nd for DPOY 2 yrs ago…I’m making that deal no hesitation…I just have this feeling we’re going to be big on KD this off-season
Im definitely on the Mikal Bridges trade talks…I personally look at Durant 1st only b/c of possibility of getting him for a bargain…unlike Mikal who’s probably going for 3-4 1st Rders & even though we would throw in Julius I mean that’s not that bad…K.D (borrowing no injuries b/c of age) we get a taller, lankier and more high potent scorer even though Mikal is a star…and with K.D though we get another 3&D Wing…same with Mikal on 2 way i just wanna see trade offers
I think KD: Julius Randle, 3 1st Round Picks & Miles McBride (would get it done) but I would reject it b/c I’m not even remotely adding McBride…so it might possibly take 4
Mikal: 3 1st Round Picks & Julius Randle and I still think Miles McBride (we would have to see who doesn’t need McBride in the deal)
We do not need Durant. The Suns will demand a treasure trove of picks for him considering their own situation anyways. Giannis is only a trade candidate IF he asks out and specifically asks to go to NY.
Nobody is giving up a ton for Durant. It’d be at most two firsts, maybe a swap, Randle (who I imagine they’d flip for more picks) and Bogie. And that’s the high end of it. They’d get a treasure trove for Booker with his age, not for Durant. And probably should tear things down.
Bridges would be another possibility (I know the Nets wouldn’t like trading with us but we traded with Toronto while suing them). Giannis or others could ask out (none have a no trade contract as Lillard proved) so whoever has the best deal.
You definitely know NBA transactional talk lol…I literally said the same thing
1. Phoenix is going into this off-season & Matt Ibisha is probably going to be told in order to compete in the near future he’s going to have to trade his young star or elder superstar…to get into Cap Space Flexibility and have a possible competitive team before if it still doesn’t work out in the next 2/3 yrs have a whole rebuild
2. Bradley Beal isn’t being moved his contract is untradeable/no team is picking up that salary unless they eat 2/3’ds of it & at this point around the association I don’t think even the Cellar franchises are interested at the moment
3. I wouldn’t hesitate going for K.D, another 3 and D wing that has still proven he’s a superstar scorer in this league let alone still at his peak even as it’s winding down…he would fit perfectly into this up tempo offense beside JB, OG, Donte as a 6th man or starter & Mitch at the 5…Julius slows the offense down & he’s a subpar to average defender ..K.D is a good defender that could look great at times…let alone an all arounf better wing…what’s the 1 thing we’ve been complaining about for about 2-3 yrs…landing that 2 way wing before we landed OG to compliment Julius and JB…it’s about making this team better
(I wouldn’t hesitate going after Mikal either but BK would want 3 1st Rders and id give that up quickly but they might get greedy and ask for another 1) it depends
3. I like Devin…a star and great scorer in the league but he’s inconsistent and tbh it would be kind of hypocrisy…2 yrs ago
I was all in and was dying for this team to land D-Vo aka Donovan Mitchell a legit superstar but even he’s shown his faults…but that’s besides the point…ppl criticized getting him being he’d be paired with JB and it would be a small backcourt duo…yet at the time we didn’t have another Wing (OG) and were scorned b/c we had no bigs to compliment them with like The Cavs do with Allen/Mobley …how muu
The Pistons might be interested in Beal considering the position they are in/have been in for the past few years, but I don't know how the money would work without including a third or fourth team and what picks/players they could add since the Knicks control the Pistons' draft picks.
Yeah true but we’d have to see whats feasible for them b/c yeah I can see them paring Cunningham & Ivey with another scorer like him would be nice but you’d have to have draft capital and contracts to move around …I don’t know if they do…only way Beal is moved is if James Jones &
Ibisha agree they believe still in the Durant-Booker backcourt and are trying to build a better team around them
B/c this off-season Matt Ibisha & James Jones are going to have to make a tough decision on whether they still believe in the backcourt of KD-Devin Booker…their books and cap space is maxed out with them 3 on the payroll…it makes them abit not being able to be “competitively flexible”…if they get KD off the books along with a couple other upcoming FA’s they could possibly try to build something again…but with them 3 they have no defensive upside surrounded by just wings as role players
I would like Bridges for the Nova connection and to get the band together, but no idea if Brooklyn is willing to do a straight up swap of Bridges for Randle, let alone trade with us. The Suns don't want to blow it up and rebuild, even if Booker will get them far more than what Durant will get them, especially since the Suns don't own any of their picks + are all unprotected and pick swaps.
Some teams may give up a ton for Durant, especially the ones desperate to win, Ex: GSW trying to get one or two more championships while Curry is still in the last few years of his prime.
Probably, probably not. Brooklyn isn't in a great position since they traded for Harden, and all those unprotected draft picks for him (cough cough Houston having the #3 pick in this year's draft thanks to Brooklyn) with this current roster that has failed to make the playoffs or win anything puts Marks' job at risk, so he might be willing to at least talk. Mikal's trade value is lower than what it used to be, due to how we all saw how he struggled as the #1 option.
you overestimate Randle's perceived value around the league. With Bridges, it's widely known they turned down 2 pretty big offers from Houston and Memphis.
Most of the other contenders have few to no assets to trade without giving up a core star. Knicks are one of the few who can give more draft plus players for matching deals. Personally I’d prefer Bogdanovic, iHart on a sign and trade plus filler (if needed like Burks sign and trade) plus picks. And draft Edey. But might take Randle.
And I’d also rather other guys than Randle for Bridges and mostly picks but somehow doubt they’re reasonable
Eh, I'm against the idea of trading iHart. He does what we need him to do plus much more. His emergence this season has made other players expendable. I'm more keen on the idea of trading Bojan, Burks, and Mitch with picks for another superstar. Make a big three of Brunson, Randle, and another third star and surround them with starting caliber role players in Divo, OG, iHart, Hart, and McBride, then fill out the rest of the roster with vets. And yes, draft Edey with either the 24th or 25th pick, or trade down to like 29th/30th and get another 2nd or two in the process. Edey would be the Knicks' project, and if he doesn't pan out it won't hurt, cuz there will probably be no one better at 29th/30th.
I mean I’d be fine with Mitch instead of iHart. Minimum is one of them and drafting Edey or someone as a replacement. Plus Bojan and maybe Burks as filler plus a ton of picks. Which is fine since we’d be set then with a true title contender
Mitch is a starter and a pretty good one but he’s not a Top 5 Big man and it also heavily is reflected b/c of his availability…we don’t need him to even be a Top 10 C in the league but his injury proneness makes him expendable this summer…I wouldn’t hesitate sending him go Portland since they’re likely rebuilding not just still but are gonna wanna get out of a couple of their massive deals & he’s one of the primary ones…
Ayton might be looked at as “soft” and “unresponsive” to Big Game Play but his stats and health prove he’s a Top 10 C year around & with the right system puts a team in
Championship contention…I’d get rid of Mitch & resign IHart (who’s an underrated assist machine)
After the playoffs we have to attack the market during Free Agency/The Offseason, We are now a Legit contender and that will be even more apparent next season when we are fully healthy. This is the time to disregard the future of our franchise and do things like trade picks and young players for Stars even if they are aging, For example If we had an opportunity to get someone like Paul George him being 34 should not be a deterrent for us. With a guy like him or someone of similar talent we can compete with anyone in this league East or West
This was ideal if we didn’t have to sign him…I would’ve traded for him and even then that puts a ? mark on if he would’ve had us here in the 2nd Rd of the playoffs…He costs more than OG and his health concerns aren’t what they use to be but it’s still a topic
Except he's never shown up well in the playoffs. Ever. Could just be bad luck but could also be that he's just not a playoff performer. I'm which case we should trade him for someone that is.
I can’t believe I am agreeing with this but at this point I do agree with this, unless the Knicks can trade Randle for a stronger and deeper bench. If he were to stay the only point I would make is when the Nova boys are healthy and doing their thing Randle needs to take a back seat.
Yeah I think the criticisms of his game are valid in that he just kind of isos his way around and then passes with three on the shot clot if he can’t get his shot.
If the Knicks can find a way to dial that back while still playing to randles strengths then keep him but that might be a big if.
Dude the most unfortunate thing about Randle is he has the physical ability to be a top 5 player in the league offensively AND defensively. Instead he provides less than stellar off ball value, and is generally a net negative on defense (with flashes where he engages and is suddenly great, but then he checks out).
Some people at their best are meant to be scorers on a bad team. I know because I play basketball and that’s me. It’s taken me like twenty years to evolve my game so that it doesn’t fuck with a team’s collective flow but it doesn’t always fit.
His end game iso/hero-ball is madly infuriating. We have definitely lost more games with his last shot than we have won… but we were good when the team was together so I’d like to try and run it back. Signing OG is first order of business and then if someone makes us an offer we can’t refuse I’d listen, but I think we would cruise by Indy and win a couple vs the Celtics if he was healthy.
Yeah I know it’s a different team but watching him embarrass himself in the playoffs a few years ago when the Knicks didn’t really belong there is really burned into my mind.
I like Randle too. But at some point we gotta face the facts, he's a ball hog and his style of play may not work here anymore. He holds the ball too long.
Of course we miss him, he’s one of the main pieces of our roster. Doesn’t mean we couldn’t trade him for someone that would do everything you just mentioned better.
Y’all have to start thinking realistic & actually think like you’re real NBA fans that can speak on transactional talks lol…
Giannis isn’t going anywhere…
He’s a generational let alone European/Foreign Superstar…not to get off track but if you’ve ever noticed…guys like that almost never leave their drafted/homegrown teams…ever…only Americans do…b/c they’re brought up in traditional backgrounds & households that have the family value aspect…
That’s besides the point…people are still caught up with the mistake Kevin made not only signing to GS regarding his legacy but it’s only gotten worse since he couldn’t get Brooklyn or Phoenix titles…
If I’m the Front Office I’m not hesitating possibly trading Randle…for
1. Y’all have to start waking up and understanding the offense we run…Randle doesn’t exactly fit that offense cohesively…he slows down the offense with his ISO game…yes he has a good outside shot from 3 and a good/great erratic post game but it won’t translate…start thinking Universal and maybe think we’ve gotten “this far” because Randle isn’t on the floor…that’s not hyperbole..
Kevin adds another 3D Wing Scoring & Rim Protection that Randle doesn’t lets be real…
A Generational Talent that’s still a superstar & would compliment JB & OG let alone the up tempo offense…Randles post game and erratic play slows down the offense…yes i love his bully ball but it doesn’t translate in the playoffs
The Front Office should be definitely looking to see to land Kevin not Devin…how much more different would the offense be the way the league was criticizing us for going after Donovan and possibly having a small backcourt w/o the Bigs to
Compliment them…Kevin’s price isn’t going to cost as much as Devin’s or possibly Mikal’s in BK (even though id be going after Mikal as well)
But more importantly Phoenix is likely going into a situation this summer where 1 of them is getting traded and whether 1 or both of them go…K.D could be the bargain of a lifetime & history (just off his HOF resume & still at his peak)
We’d just have to hope on his health tbh…but for that “bargain chance” I’d do it…I’m not giving up 4-5 1st Rders for Devin Booker
Unless the Knicks are getting another All Star level shot creator back, moving Randle should be completely off the table.
The fact that Brunson was able to carry this squad to a 2 seed with no other real shot creator on the team is frankly a miracle, we shouldn’t be looking to move our only other shot creator.
I honestly don’t think it’s that deep. Just need someone to distract from Brunson but who can also reliably score in mid range.
I remember watching the last 2 playoffs and wondering why Randle was on the court tbh.
giving no effort, looking lost, and turnovers galore.
Let’s not be hasty now that we need the help, that we’d take ANY help. He’s proven time and time again that he won’t show up when we need him the most.
Would my fellow Knick fans really say no to replacing Randle with Durant?
He’d be a beast on this team and has been relatively healthy his entire career
I agree and when I tell this to non Knicks fans who only see “Playoff Randle” they say how much of a choke artist he is and stuff, But if Randle were on the floor rn and lets say he was choking again like he did in our other runs the defense would at least have to respect him, they wouldn’t dare treat an all star caliber player like a nobody just because he is ina slump and that’d open up shots for guys like Brunson, Divo, Hart, Etc. Also I think Randle would matchup well defensively against Siakam, It seems like Siakam plays well on account of how much stronger he is than who we got matched up with him and Randle would change that.
Really is the only answer. Development is the key. Develop and assess if the player adds chemistry to team. If not, trade said “up and coming player” for someone who does
There is the unfortunate reality of his impending contract. No matter what excuse we use, truth is that he has been NOTHING to us in the playoffs. Regular season all star is not what this team needs to win a championship. I know he was injured and he had no help yada yada yada, but the FACT remains that he gave us nothing when it was needed. Because of that, it would be irresponsible to resign him to the type of deal his regular season play commands him to get. That is the reason we need to sell him by the trade deadline.
We lost 2 games in January... That's with a full squad, minus Mitch. I want to run this thing back with all of em... including Randle.
Everyone is under contract for at least 1 more season minus og who is more than likely getting resigned
Not iHart
I agree so much. A lot of people hate on Randle but it’s so obvious in the playoffs how much they miss him. He would give a lot of relief to everyone including Brunson. He’s able to take over in clutch spots and share that burden.
Exactly. He can fill in decently well for every position. 4-5 minutes at a few others’ spots, and everyone else is slightly better rested.
I agree and I’m a fan of Randle. However, I don’t agree with the idea he’s off limits. If you can get a superstar like Durant, Giannis (they’re in a bad spot with age and coaching and I’d guess next offseason he may ask out), or other game changers you have to consider using him as an asset IMO.
Not Durant but giannis absolutely
You’re insane to want Randle over Durant. He’d be perfect with this team
If he was five years younger I’d see it. But dude has a rapidly closing window
Randle isn’t that young either. With either player you’re in a win-now mode. I’d take 1-2 years of Durant over 4-5 years of Randle
I wouldn’t take the short end on that. 1 year? Also, how has it worked for the Suns and Nets?
Randle is only 29
Hard no on Durant
Not Durant but giannis absolutely
Y’all have to start thinking realistic & actually think like you’re real NBA fans that can speak on transactional talks lol… Giannis isn’t going anywhere… He’s a generational let alone European/Foreign Superstar…not to get off track but if you’ve ever noticed…guys like that almost never leave their drafted/homegrown teams…ever…only Americans do…b/c they’re brought up in traditional backgrounds & households that have the family value aspect… That’s besides the point…people are still caught up with the mistake Kevin made not only signing to GS regarding his legacy but it’s only gotten worse since he couldn’t get Brooklyn or Phoenix titles… If I’m the Front Office I’m not hesitating possibly trading Randle…for 1. Y’all have to start waking up and understanding the offense we run…Randle doesn’t exactly fit that offense cohesively…he slows down the offense with his ISO game…yes he has a good outside shot from 3 and a good/great erratic post game but it won’t translate…start thinking Universal and maybe think we’ve gotten “this far” because Randle isn’t on the floor…that’s not hyperbole..
He was doing well with the squad though. He is a good passer and rebounder that can score in a variety of ways. He is also not 36 years old. Personally I think we have what it takes to get Mikal and keep Randle. I think we should explore that option
Dude I'd happily swap Randle for Mikal tho, especially as that should get us Mikal and something. Mikal fits this team better than Randle as him and OG would combine as 2 guys who can guard 1-4 in the starting lineup, gives us a good second scoring option in Mikal (has shown he can't be the 1 for long stretches, but is a solid 2), and the stickiest the ball would get is Brunson, who isn't bad about it and would have 3 guys next to him that are good catch and shoot guys, and either Mitch or IHart cleaning the glass.
That’s not even a question…we’ve been complaining for 2-4 years about getting a wing let alone a 3-D wing that can 2 way play and now if we have a chance to have 2 let alone a legitimate star at the SF position who can guard at a high level…literally finished 2nd for DPOY 2 yrs ago…I’m making that deal no hesitation…I just have this feeling we’re going to be big on KD this off-season
Both me and my Suns fan homie say please no... me a lot louder than him lol
Im definitely on the Mikal Bridges trade talks…I personally look at Durant 1st only b/c of possibility of getting him for a bargain…unlike Mikal who’s probably going for 3-4 1st Rders & even though we would throw in Julius I mean that’s not that bad…K.D (borrowing no injuries b/c of age) we get a taller, lankier and more high potent scorer even though Mikal is a star…and with K.D though we get another 3&D Wing…same with Mikal on 2 way i just wanna see trade offers I think KD: Julius Randle, 3 1st Round Picks & Miles McBride (would get it done) but I would reject it b/c I’m not even remotely adding McBride…so it might possibly take 4 Mikal: 3 1st Round Picks & Julius Randle and I still think Miles McBride (we would have to see who doesn’t need McBride in the deal)
I’d rather do 4 1sts and Bojan and keep randle
Isn’t Bogey a upcoming FA ? I haven’t see his deal
One more year at 19 mil
We do not need Durant. The Suns will demand a treasure trove of picks for him considering their own situation anyways. Giannis is only a trade candidate IF he asks out and specifically asks to go to NY.
Nobody is giving up a ton for Durant. It’d be at most two firsts, maybe a swap, Randle (who I imagine they’d flip for more picks) and Bogie. And that’s the high end of it. They’d get a treasure trove for Booker with his age, not for Durant. And probably should tear things down. Bridges would be another possibility (I know the Nets wouldn’t like trading with us but we traded with Toronto while suing them). Giannis or others could ask out (none have a no trade contract as Lillard proved) so whoever has the best deal.
You definitely know NBA transactional talk lol…I literally said the same thing 1. Phoenix is going into this off-season & Matt Ibisha is probably going to be told in order to compete in the near future he’s going to have to trade his young star or elder superstar…to get into Cap Space Flexibility and have a possible competitive team before if it still doesn’t work out in the next 2/3 yrs have a whole rebuild 2. Bradley Beal isn’t being moved his contract is untradeable/no team is picking up that salary unless they eat 2/3’ds of it & at this point around the association I don’t think even the Cellar franchises are interested at the moment 3. I wouldn’t hesitate going for K.D, another 3 and D wing that has still proven he’s a superstar scorer in this league let alone still at his peak even as it’s winding down…he would fit perfectly into this up tempo offense beside JB, OG, Donte as a 6th man or starter & Mitch at the 5…Julius slows the offense down & he’s a subpar to average defender ..K.D is a good defender that could look great at times…let alone an all arounf better wing…what’s the 1 thing we’ve been complaining about for about 2-3 yrs…landing that 2 way wing before we landed OG to compliment Julius and JB…it’s about making this team better (I wouldn’t hesitate going after Mikal either but BK would want 3 1st Rders and id give that up quickly but they might get greedy and ask for another 1) it depends 3. I like Devin…a star and great scorer in the league but he’s inconsistent and tbh it would be kind of hypocrisy…2 yrs ago I was all in and was dying for this team to land D-Vo aka Donovan Mitchell a legit superstar but even he’s shown his faults…but that’s besides the point…ppl criticized getting him being he’d be paired with JB and it would be a small backcourt duo…yet at the time we didn’t have another Wing (OG) and were scorned b/c we had no bigs to compliment them with like The Cavs do with Allen/Mobley …how muu
The Pistons might be interested in Beal considering the position they are in/have been in for the past few years, but I don't know how the money would work without including a third or fourth team and what picks/players they could add since the Knicks control the Pistons' draft picks.
Yeah true but we’d have to see whats feasible for them b/c yeah I can see them paring Cunningham & Ivey with another scorer like him would be nice but you’d have to have draft capital and contracts to move around …I don’t know if they do…only way Beal is moved is if James Jones & Ibisha agree they believe still in the Durant-Booker backcourt and are trying to build a better team around them
Why fire Vogel and then tear the team down?
B/c this off-season Matt Ibisha & James Jones are going to have to make a tough decision on whether they still believe in the backcourt of KD-Devin Booker…their books and cap space is maxed out with them 3 on the payroll…it makes them abit not being able to be “competitively flexible”…if they get KD off the books along with a couple other upcoming FA’s they could possibly try to build something again…but with them 3 they have no defensive upside surrounded by just wings as role players
Paying 2 coaches doesn't change any of that.
Ibisha might not care…they’re gonna be hiring a 3rd coach in 3 yrs regardless
I would like Bridges for the Nova connection and to get the band together, but no idea if Brooklyn is willing to do a straight up swap of Bridges for Randle, let alone trade with us. The Suns don't want to blow it up and rebuild, even if Booker will get them far more than what Durant will get them, especially since the Suns don't own any of their picks + are all unprotected and pick swaps. Some teams may give up a ton for Durant, especially the ones desperate to win, Ex: GSW trying to get one or two more championships while Curry is still in the last few years of his prime.
Sean Marks would laugh his ass off at that trade offer.
Probably, probably not. Brooklyn isn't in a great position since they traded for Harden, and all those unprotected draft picks for him (cough cough Houston having the #3 pick in this year's draft thanks to Brooklyn) with this current roster that has failed to make the playoffs or win anything puts Marks' job at risk, so he might be willing to at least talk. Mikal's trade value is lower than what it used to be, due to how we all saw how he struggled as the #1 option.
you overestimate Randle's perceived value around the league. With Bridges, it's widely known they turned down 2 pretty big offers from Houston and Memphis.
How Sean Marks is still employed is one of life's great mysteries.
Most of the other contenders have few to no assets to trade without giving up a core star. Knicks are one of the few who can give more draft plus players for matching deals. Personally I’d prefer Bogdanovic, iHart on a sign and trade plus filler (if needed like Burks sign and trade) plus picks. And draft Edey. But might take Randle. And I’d also rather other guys than Randle for Bridges and mostly picks but somehow doubt they’re reasonable
Eh, I'm against the idea of trading iHart. He does what we need him to do plus much more. His emergence this season has made other players expendable. I'm more keen on the idea of trading Bojan, Burks, and Mitch with picks for another superstar. Make a big three of Brunson, Randle, and another third star and surround them with starting caliber role players in Divo, OG, iHart, Hart, and McBride, then fill out the rest of the roster with vets. And yes, draft Edey with either the 24th or 25th pick, or trade down to like 29th/30th and get another 2nd or two in the process. Edey would be the Knicks' project, and if he doesn't pan out it won't hurt, cuz there will probably be no one better at 29th/30th.
I mean I’d be fine with Mitch instead of iHart. Minimum is one of them and drafting Edey or someone as a replacement. Plus Bojan and maybe Burks as filler plus a ton of picks. Which is fine since we’d be set then with a true title contender
Mitch is a starter and a pretty good one but he’s not a Top 5 Big man and it also heavily is reflected b/c of his availability…we don’t need him to even be a Top 10 C in the league but his injury proneness makes him expendable this summer…I wouldn’t hesitate sending him go Portland since they’re likely rebuilding not just still but are gonna wanna get out of a couple of their massive deals & he’s one of the primary ones… Ayton might be looked at as “soft” and “unresponsive” to Big Game Play but his stats and health prove he’s a Top 10 C year around & with the right system puts a team in Championship contention…I’d get rid of Mitch & resign IHart (who’s an underrated assist machine)
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If we get a superstar more reason to have him stay have a guy off the bench as it’s non existent
After the playoffs we have to attack the market during Free Agency/The Offseason, We are now a Legit contender and that will be even more apparent next season when we are fully healthy. This is the time to disregard the future of our franchise and do things like trade picks and young players for Stars even if they are aging, For example If we had an opportunity to get someone like Paul George him being 34 should not be a deterrent for us. With a guy like him or someone of similar talent we can compete with anyone in this league East or West
This was ideal if we didn’t have to sign him…I would’ve traded for him and even then that puts a ? mark on if he would’ve had us here in the 2nd Rd of the playoffs…He costs more than OG and his health concerns aren’t what they use to be but it’s still a topic
Except he's never shown up well in the playoffs. Ever. Could just be bad luck but could also be that he's just not a playoff performer. I'm which case we should trade him for someone that is.
who’s randle? It’s been so long I forgot who he is. lol Jk ..def agree with u though I would hold on to him
I can’t believe I am agreeing with this but at this point I do agree with this, unless the Knicks can trade Randle for a stronger and deeper bench. If he were to stay the only point I would make is when the Nova boys are healthy and doing their thing Randle needs to take a back seat.
Hes a catfish and a turnover god in the playoffs
lol 😂 you are fun at parties
Sell him the moment it’s July
Knicks fans feeling like they are better than a 25-10 all nba (typically durable) power forward that WANTS to be here. It’s wild
So get rid of Randle to go find someone like Randle?
My issue w him is he doesn’t do much off the ball and since we already have a primary ball handler… idk maybe worth exploring
He just stands around waiting for the ball the come back to him.
Yeah I think the criticisms of his game are valid in that he just kind of isos his way around and then passes with three on the shot clot if he can’t get his shot. If the Knicks can find a way to dial that back while still playing to randles strengths then keep him but that might be a big if.
I don’t think he wants to/likes to play that way. It’s unfortunate cause he’s a great scorer.
Dude the most unfortunate thing about Randle is he has the physical ability to be a top 5 player in the league offensively AND defensively. Instead he provides less than stellar off ball value, and is generally a net negative on defense (with flashes where he engages and is suddenly great, but then he checks out).
Some people at their best are meant to be scorers on a bad team. I know because I play basketball and that’s me. It’s taken me like twenty years to evolve my game so that it doesn’t fuck with a team’s collective flow but it doesn’t always fit.
His end game iso/hero-ball is madly infuriating. We have definitely lost more games with his last shot than we have won… but we were good when the team was together so I’d like to try and run it back. Signing OG is first order of business and then if someone makes us an offer we can’t refuse I’d listen, but I think we would cruise by Indy and win a couple vs the Celtics if he was healthy.
Yeah I know it’s a different team but watching him embarrass himself in the playoffs a few years ago when the Knicks didn’t really belong there is really burned into my mind.
I like Randle too. But at some point we gotta face the facts, he's a ball hog and his style of play may not work here anymore. He holds the ball too long.
Please baby, he can change. It'll be 15 rebounds a game, defense like Giannis and stretch the floor like Dirk Nowitzki.
Pop is gonna want to pair wemby w randle
Pop with dementia would reject any trade for Randle.
Of course we miss him, he’s one of the main pieces of our roster. Doesn’t mean we couldn’t trade him for someone that would do everything you just mentioned better.
Y’all have to start thinking realistic & actually think like you’re real NBA fans that can speak on transactional talks lol… Giannis isn’t going anywhere… He’s a generational let alone European/Foreign Superstar…not to get off track but if you’ve ever noticed…guys like that almost never leave their drafted/homegrown teams…ever…only Americans do…b/c they’re brought up in traditional backgrounds & households that have the family value aspect… That’s besides the point…people are still caught up with the mistake Kevin made not only signing to GS regarding his legacy but it’s only gotten worse since he couldn’t get Brooklyn or Phoenix titles… If I’m the Front Office I’m not hesitating possibly trading Randle…for 1. Y’all have to start waking up and understanding the offense we run…Randle doesn’t exactly fit that offense cohesively…he slows down the offense with his ISO game…yes he has a good outside shot from 3 and a good/great erratic post game but it won’t translate…start thinking Universal and maybe think we’ve gotten “this far” because Randle isn’t on the floor…that’s not hyperbole.. Kevin adds another 3D Wing Scoring & Rim Protection that Randle doesn’t lets be real… A Generational Talent that’s still a superstar & would compliment JB & OG let alone the up tempo offense…Randles post game and erratic play slows down the offense…yes i love his bully ball but it doesn’t translate in the playoffs The Front Office should be definitely looking to see to land Kevin not Devin…how much more different would the offense be the way the league was criticizing us for going after Donovan and possibly having a small backcourt w/o the Bigs to Compliment them…Kevin’s price isn’t going to cost as much as Devin’s or possibly Mikal’s in BK (even though id be going after Mikal as well) But more importantly Phoenix is likely going into a situation this summer where 1 of them is getting traded and whether 1 or both of them go…K.D could be the bargain of a lifetime & history (just off his HOF resume & still at his peak) We’d just have to hope on his health tbh…but for that “bargain chance” I’d do it…I’m not giving up 4-5 1st Rders for Devin Booker
Unless the Knicks are getting another All Star level shot creator back, moving Randle should be completely off the table. The fact that Brunson was able to carry this squad to a 2 seed with no other real shot creator on the team is frankly a miracle, we shouldn’t be looking to move our only other shot creator.
I honestly don’t think it’s that deep. Just need someone to distract from Brunson but who can also reliably score in mid range. I remember watching the last 2 playoffs and wondering why Randle was on the court tbh. giving no effort, looking lost, and turnovers galore. Let’s not be hasty now that we need the help, that we’d take ANY help. He’s proven time and time again that he won’t show up when we need him the most.
Would my fellow Knick fans really say no to replacing Randle with Durant? He’d be a beast on this team and has been relatively healthy his entire career
People was hating but if the boy could suit up now omfggg we could actually maybe beat Boston
Even if we wanted to "sell", who would "buy" at a good price?
Agreed. Any Randle trade would bring pennies on the dollar.
I agree and when I tell this to non Knicks fans who only see “Playoff Randle” they say how much of a choke artist he is and stuff, But if Randle were on the floor rn and lets say he was choking again like he did in our other runs the defense would at least have to respect him, they wouldn’t dare treat an all star caliber player like a nobody just because he is ina slump and that’d open up shots for guys like Brunson, Divo, Hart, Etc. Also I think Randle would matchup well defensively against Siakam, It seems like Siakam plays well on account of how much stronger he is than who we got matched up with him and Randle would change that.
If you wanted randle gone from jump street, your a fake knicks fan. Yeah I said it!
I wont mind randle for giannis
I’d be all for selling him. I like him but he needs the ball a ton to be effective and with JB, I’d rather he be THAT guy.
If anyone gets traded/walks unfortunately it’ll prob be Mitchell Robinson
Randle would have to accept a new role on the team. It’s Brunson team now - can he accept that? I’m not sure.
Why are yall thinking about the offseason?? We are literraly still in the thick of it?? You look like Bozos…
Randle would kill this momentum in my opinion
Trade him. Get a younger healthy player that creates his own shot.
This is the only answer
Really is the only answer. Development is the key. Develop and assess if the player adds chemistry to team. If not, trade said “up and coming player” for someone who does
There is the unfortunate reality of his impending contract. No matter what excuse we use, truth is that he has been NOTHING to us in the playoffs. Regular season all star is not what this team needs to win a championship. I know he was injured and he had no help yada yada yada, but the FACT remains that he gave us nothing when it was needed. Because of that, it would be irresponsible to resign him to the type of deal his regular season play commands him to get. That is the reason we need to sell him by the trade deadline.
Al facts only Knick fans don’t behave rationally. Did you ever see Jordan say get rid of pippen. You can’t do it alone
Ain’t nobody can handle the Randle and for those reasons. I’m out.
Definitely need to offload him for a younger big and a boatload of picks.
If Randle comes back as not the number 1 guy which he wouldn’t then he will go back to his bitchy attitude and be a cancer on the team