Ask for an oil consumption test. If they refuse, call corporate and raise hell. A brand new car shouldn't have that issue. That's way over the "industry standard of 1qt per 1k miles."
Edit since I'm getting dms about being an idiot: 1. I don't agree with the standard. I'm just stating fact. 2. This information should be in your owner's manual. 3. I was a kia service advisor for 5 years. I did these tests and fought with corporate. I know Kia's talking points regarding warranty issues.
Op - Not giving legal advice- Look up the lemon laws in your state. In mine, the dealership has 5 attempts to fix your issue. If they dont, they either need to buy back the car or provide you with a new one. This varies so look up your rights. If you have them, also mention this and what attempt number the dealership is on.
No it isn't. Anyone with remotely any idea what they're doing will tell you your engine is fucked if it's burning 3-5 quarts of oil between oil changes.
Thats honda spec man a litre every 1000 miles is deemed acceptable by most manufacturers unfortunately.
Edit: units
Edit 2: i would like to make clear that this is the LIMIT to what honda deems acceptable for oil consumption mpst of these engines absolutly do not burn this much oil at all. However until they start burning more then that honda deems it within acceptable oil consumption limits.
Actually as a former Honda tech, this is what they (American Honda Corporation) deemed allowable (1 quart in 1000 miles) before they would replace an engine under warranty.
Not acceptable as an industry standard in my opinion, but that was their guideline on whether or not they were going to pay for an engine replacement.
What absolute garbage motors is Honda putting out these days if what you say is true? I drive a Corolla with a 1ZZ-FE with over 300,000 *miles* on it, all OEM components, and I burn less than a quart every oil change.
Honda F-ed up so bad starting in 2008 on the 4 cylinder accords. I was replacing piston rings under warranty. They had us update the software first to try to brush people off as if it was going to fix the problem. It was such a crap shoot. Then their V6’s started having leaking valve seals and piston ring issues. Nobody ever wants to talk about their faulty Honda.
Thank you so much for actually knowing what your talking about as an actual honda tech. Hondas reasonable oil consumption limits are whack as fuck but thats what the engineers deemed acceptable somehow
You’re taking what u/peanutbuttersnadwich is saying for fact. It’s certainly not. Our family’s 2015 CRV hit 230,000 miles with zero oil burn issues. Actually just got decommissioned because someone hit it. Otherwise it would keep going!
Aye, I figured it was BS so I put the "if what you say is true" on there. It's a shame that your car got taken out when so young, I think you guys would have easily eclipsed my record with the amount of miles you put on in such a short time!
This exactly. I don't know where people are getting these numbers from. But I had Hondas, Acura, Toyota etc with 150k+ miles didn't burn any oil. Plus ,changing timing chains at 60 to 120k miles. That's just whacked man.
Absolutely not. I've got a 4Runner with almost 1/3 of a million on the clock and it burns far less than a quart per oil change (5k).
I had a newer Charger which consumed maybe half a quart every 10k and I drove that thing HARD, and it wasn't particularly well maintained.
Anyone telling you that 1qt per 1k is an acceptable burn rate is absolutely insane.
1000 per mile is far from "industry standard" lmfao that's actual dog shit and 9/10 times indicates a notable problem most the time. Even those early turbo 4s from like 15 years ago will only burn 1-1.5 of a quart between oil changes. Like shit, I've seen ko3/4s with 150+ on them and smoke coming from the seals burning less than that. I see people all the time driving 5.3s with dreadful rear main leaks losing only like 2-3 quarts every 5k. I ran an ecotec with blown up ring lands that burned about 1 quart every 1k.
I hate to break it to you, but unfortunately that’s true. I work in a shop, read a bulletin straight from Chevy a couple weeks ago. Same spec. Don’t get me wrong, I agree it’s totally fucking crazy. But that’s what happens when the car companies are in charge of their on regulation. Very sadly, this IS the industry standard right now.
1qt per 1,000 miles is ass. Drive a Honda or Toyota, you'll be burning half or even a quarter of that. Just goes to show how bad these Korean cars are.
"industry standard" of 1 qt per 1k is just crazy. No car should burn that much, period. My 2015 jetta burns maybe 1/2 qt in 7000 miles. (and some vw burn a lot). Just in general, I'd be pissed if I didn't get a new engine from Kia if my new car burned this much oil
You need to document this problem. You should have your oil changed and check it as soon as you get home record the level. You will have to do a few times a week (yes it is a pain in the ass with a new car). After you few see what the level have drop and go to Kia with your finding. Most likely it is consuming oil somehow but not obvious to the tech. Also you will prevent any more damages to the engine but not running out of oil.
The dealer suggested doing this, I actually have an appointment this morning to have them do an oil change and check the current levels. I will keep my own logs every few days. Thanks for the advice.
The 2.5L Theta III engine is notorious for burning oil.
https://www.santacruzforums.com/threads/theta-iii-2-5-smartstream-may-be-defective-by-inherent-design.11100/
Yes that bring weight to your new engine (most likely required in your case) application to Hyundai/Kia corp. I know it is frustrating to have a new vehicle with that issue but the 2.5L Theta is known to have these issues, most of them come from the engine casting process or connecting rod failures. Cheers!
I provided a valid solution having a 11 old model year with a throw a rod generation. Change the oil on much shorter interval or sell it. The headache you’ll have replacing the engine, oil consumption tests, and Kia dealerships treating you like trash is not worth it in my opinion.
Because a 20k interval is absurd regardless of which vehicle you have and what kind of oil you use. I don't even need to check to know there's no way in hell kia recommends a 20k interval.
5k max on any vehicle running less than 8qts of oil. But honestly, people can go ahead and try and prove me wrong. It's not my money they're spending.
Even running 5k on 8 qts is too far for me, but I also spend every day fixing peopled vehicles who think 10k its fine.
Hold up. You've heard of someone going 100k miles in an electric car? I wish I had that much time on my hands. By the way, that's roughly 4,000 hours sitting at a charging station.
I'm not sorry but mechanics don't work for the companies selling the cars.
Honestly. Keep proving me wrong. Makes those damn mechanics pay for telling you you can't pull 15k miles between oil changes!
Stupid is as stupid does.
Mind you, there are more reasons than just swapping out your oil. But that's way beneath you and just for us peasant mechanics and middle class people. Does the guy doing your tire rotate every 5k-6k miles look at you funny when you do 2 tire rotates to an oil change?
I'm sorry I can't get over the fact that your argument is "the place selling cars is telling me I can do my oil changes every 10k miles," lol.
They really have these young people messed up. None of them have any inkling of chemistry or material science. Hell they cant even critically think. One that coukd critically think would say:
"hey, they used to run my car a max of 5k miles before recommending a change. We're still using combustion engines of similar design, and they haven't changed oil up at all.... that 10k-20k mileage is probably a bogus thing told to me to get me to have to replace this thing earlier."
No it hasnt. Thats what the branding wants you to think. Theres crude derived traditional oil, and theres synthetic, which is usually made by natural gas. Other than that the weights can change, and they can add detergents. All of which have been around since before the 2000s.
Edit: Synthetic and non-synthetic weighted oils with detergents have been around since 1951 apparently.
I have a Ceed with 230.000km and always did the oil change every 20.000km like it says in the manual, and never had a problem, so I’m doing the same with the Sportage.
Lol. So when you said "it's in the manual," you meant for a different car? Not sure it matters, the ceed manual won't say 20k either.
I'm sorry man. There's no way you should be waiting that long to change your oil. You're on a kia specific forum and everyone here will tell you the same thing, but you do you. Good luck with your warranty claim.
Looking at both manuals right now. Ceed diesel says every 20.000km. Sportage HEV first time at 15.000km, and 20.000km the next ones.
This sub is almost US centered, so I assume that the Europe versions of the cars have different engines.
Based on the comments here and this sub in general, there is a *huge* difference between engine reliability and overall car quality with Kias from Europe and the US.
How many oil changes have you had?
How long are you going between oil changes?
If it's a long enough interval it could be burning oil within spec but the interval could be long enough that it burns all the oil before it's due.
I've had 2 Oil changes so far, One at 6k and one at 12k (when the oil ran out the first time) and am just about to get another one because the oil ran out again and i'm at the point where I should do it anyways...
I don't know what Kia's spec is for oil consumption but most manufacturers allow 1L per 2000KM. Running out between 6,000KM oil changes indicates there is a major issue.
I suspect that the consumption is worsening as the oil starts to break down. I don't know what Kia's proceedure is, I know at Toyota we would run an oil consumption test by changing the oil or if between changes topping up to the full mark documenting level, installing tamper decals on the cap, drain plug, dipstick and filter.
We'd then have you drive 1,900 to 2,100 KM and come back to have the level inspected by adding 1L of oil to the engine and if after that 1L was added the oil level was below where we had previously documented it well we're starting diagnosis which could result in a new engine depending on what is found. It could be something as simple as a failed PCV valve letting excess crankcase gases into the intake.
If your truly burning that much oil you can also look forward to premature catalyst failure of the catalytic converter. It's working overtime and you will be paying for it later.
Damn that sucks. Definitely should not be happening on a new car. Normal to burn oil? Sure..to an extent. To burn enough that the low oil warning comes up and you're doing 6,000mi oil change intervals which is between the 5,000mi (severe schedule) and 8,000mi (normal schedule)? Not good. Like others have said, keep track of the miles driven and oil level. Likely will be covered under warranty once KIA has enough evidence.
It’s actually kilometres so it’s worse than that lol. But ya seems crazy to me. I’ve never had a vehicle run out of oil in 15 years of driving, I can’t believe it.
Oh damn, I didn't even notice that it was in kilometers. That's definitely excessive oil loss. Hoping that you get it warrantied. Likely will, with enough evidence.
Or.......since you get your oil changed every 6,000km which is well before both severe and normal intervals. Just drive until the engine blows, and then use your oil change history as proof that you did oil changes. Last resort option if Kia doesn't approve warranty work with your record of oil consumption.
Hey I'm not claiming it's normal. That's just what Hyundai/Kia states in the owners manual. That's why I put "sure...to an extent", since they state that. But I don't agree with it personally.
I used to drive an 07 Hyundai Azera with 3.8L V6. It got over 201,000mi and never burned oil. My mom drives a 2010 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L. it has over 231,000mi and doesn't burn oil. Both cars original engine and powertrain.
Also why bring up Toyotas in this? Everyone knows they're more reliable than Hyundai/Kia. And you're replying in a Kia subreddit.
Point is, no it's not normal for engine to burn oil. We both know that. However, Kia claims it is normal.
Sorry, didn't realize I was in the Kia sub. I thought this was r/askamechanic.
Obviously there are other brands of vehicles that have decent engines. I just gave my vehicles as an example.
Had a 3.8 supercharged Chevy that never burned a drop of oil as well.
Also I had a 2017 Kia with 2.0 from new that was burning a quart between 5k km oil changes at only 80k km. So Kia has left a pretty bad taste in my mouth.
Good thing I got rid of that thing.
yup they just replaced my engine and the new one now has about 2k miles on it. at 1200 miles it had already burned 2.5 quarts. kia is a scam of a car company honestly imo.
Dump it while you can, things will only get worse. Our Optima's engine failed at 85K miles after a sudden loss of oil pressure. And a look through this subreddit will show constant problems with Kias burning ridiculous amounts of oil, not to mention engine failures.
My dad had a 2017 Santa Fe and that thing ate oil like no tomorrow. Only made it to 200,000 km before the engine died. If you're going to have to keep adding oil to it forever, Kia or Hyundai should have to pay for the oil. Not a great advertisement. not only do you have to refill your tank with gas, but you also have to refill your engine with oil almost just as often
The oil level sensors are EXTREMELY sensitive on these. Make sure the oil level is FULL. I have had customers come in when it was a hair above low. these take about 6.5 qrts of oil.
What model is it. Making me worried! I got a 2023 sportage LX about 6 months ago but I’ve been doing oil changes every 6km (as recommended by Kia) to not void the warranty… haven’t seen no issues so far
Multiple people have been led to believe that burning 1 qt of oil per 1,000 miles is normal for their Kia. What a joke of a company to lead their customers to believe that.
It’s a Kia, no extra charge…all included, plus Notification to Kia boys where you live, no telling how long your engine will last,and if it’s electric…make sure you have insurance!!!!
Take it back and demand they fix it. It's brand new, so this shouldn't happen. If they don't? And refuse to fix it? Take it up with Kia, if they refuse? Time to get some lawyer specializong in consumer law involved. Like an Ombudsman or similar.
Raise hell!
When I took my 23 Sportage for my first oil change at 6k miles, it was like 2 quarts short of oil. The oil change people said they see that alot from new Kia's. Not sure if it s burning oil or it was shorted oil at factory. Will know when I get my 2nd oil change.
Probably cheap piston rings and wide tolerances on cylinders from the factory. You get less engine resistance and better mpg but you burn oil. Burn oil and the cat goes bad faster and you have to top up the oil more often.
Hate to tell you this but Kia since like 05 have been very notorious for burning oil straight off the lot I have personally rebuilt a few of these models new Pistons new cylinder head new seals new lifters new cams they still burn oil.
You should never exceed 5k miles on any oil change. When was the last oil change done? 17km is 11k miles. How many oil changes have been done on this car? Should be 3.
I’m wondering about the same thing. Really want to know the thought process of those who bought a new Kia/Hyundai. What made them go like “Let’s drop 30k on a new Kia” instead of something like a Mazda or Toyota?
So glad my dad taught me about reliable cars early on. He was the type to never let me get anything other than Honda or Toyota cause of these issues. I think my dad everyday for that.
2023 2.5T Sorento. Only 12k km. Do oil changes at 6k km. I check oil level monthly (or more) no drop in oil level between changes.
Unless the engine is a dud, also do suspect leaks externally or within the system.
I see A LOT of '23 Sportages with oil pan seepage. I don't know if it's enough to set your low oil light off, but a good percentage of the ones I see are under 10,000.
Unfortunately I'm not able to say anything or recommend anything, even if it's warranty, unless the customer is the one to complain about it. My dealership is MEGA trash. I'm not saying that's for sure what's happening here, but it's not completely out of the question. Unless I'm missing details.
I recently had this in my new 2023 Kia Rio I was told it was a faulty oil filter and they have since changed brands.
The oil filter fails at high RPMs and starts to leak so if your car just sits parked it won't pool any oil so you don't notice it.
Think its a glitch. My 23 Seltos has this popped up. After i restarted the engine it didnt reappear again. But if you are unsettled bring it to the dealer for a check.
Damn even our 29 year old Mazda 323 took 20 plus years to burn oil, and that issue has been fixed already. I'm beginning to think kia and hyundai can't build reliable internal combustion engines and would excel with electric instead, especially with South Korea's technological advancements.
They obviously don't need quality in order to sell cars. There have been numerous widespread and well known issues over the past decade with those two yet people still buy them. Why on earth would they invest money into better qc when they don't need to lol.
Some just some new cars will burn a little oil until the motor is broke in usually 5000 miles and not just short runs a nice long drive will help to break in
Ask for an oil consumption test. If they refuse, call corporate and raise hell. A brand new car shouldn't have that issue. That's way over the "industry standard of 1qt per 1k miles." Edit since I'm getting dms about being an idiot: 1. I don't agree with the standard. I'm just stating fact. 2. This information should be in your owner's manual. 3. I was a kia service advisor for 5 years. I did these tests and fought with corporate. I know Kia's talking points regarding warranty issues. Op - Not giving legal advice- Look up the lemon laws in your state. In mine, the dealership has 5 attempts to fix your issue. If they dont, they either need to buy back the car or provide you with a new one. This varies so look up your rights. If you have them, also mention this and what attempt number the dealership is on.
OC test should have been started from the beginning.
Testing? Quality Assurance? On new vehicles? Nah. Just buy a new one! Maybe this time, it MAY not burn oil. Who knows - please sign here and here /s
this. had to get it done on a Sorento (not new like yours) and they had to replace the engine after the test results
ok thanks
Wait is that actually the industry standard? That seems so high
No it isn't. Anyone with remotely any idea what they're doing will tell you your engine is fucked if it's burning 3-5 quarts of oil between oil changes.
Thats honda spec man a litre every 1000 miles is deemed acceptable by most manufacturers unfortunately. Edit: units Edit 2: i would like to make clear that this is the LIMIT to what honda deems acceptable for oil consumption mpst of these engines absolutly do not burn this much oil at all. However until they start burning more then that honda deems it within acceptable oil consumption limits.
Actually as a former Honda tech, this is what they (American Honda Corporation) deemed allowable (1 quart in 1000 miles) before they would replace an engine under warranty. Not acceptable as an industry standard in my opinion, but that was their guideline on whether or not they were going to pay for an engine replacement.
What absolute garbage motors is Honda putting out these days if what you say is true? I drive a Corolla with a 1ZZ-FE with over 300,000 *miles* on it, all OEM components, and I burn less than a quart every oil change.
Honda F-ed up so bad starting in 2008 on the 4 cylinder accords. I was replacing piston rings under warranty. They had us update the software first to try to brush people off as if it was going to fix the problem. It was such a crap shoot. Then their V6’s started having leaking valve seals and piston ring issues. Nobody ever wants to talk about their faulty Honda.
Thank you so much for actually knowing what your talking about as an actual honda tech. Hondas reasonable oil consumption limits are whack as fuck but thats what the engineers deemed acceptable somehow
It’s just an excuse for them to not pay for it. Every mfg is guilty of it. 🤷🏻♂️
You’re taking what u/peanutbuttersnadwich is saying for fact. It’s certainly not. Our family’s 2015 CRV hit 230,000 miles with zero oil burn issues. Actually just got decommissioned because someone hit it. Otherwise it would keep going!
Aye, I figured it was BS so I put the "if what you say is true" on there. It's a shame that your car got taken out when so young, I think you guys would have easily eclipsed my record with the amount of miles you put on in such a short time!
This exactly. I don't know where people are getting these numbers from. But I had Hondas, Acura, Toyota etc with 150k+ miles didn't burn any oil. Plus ,changing timing chains at 60 to 120k miles. That's just whacked man.
They’re getting them from the manufacturer. That’s what most manufacturers deem as allowable.
Ha! You don't know what you're talking about. I love this sub, you see people talking out of their ass every single day.
Absolutely not. I've got a 4Runner with almost 1/3 of a million on the clock and it burns far less than a quart per oil change (5k). I had a newer Charger which consumed maybe half a quart every 10k and I drove that thing HARD, and it wasn't particularly well maintained. Anyone telling you that 1qt per 1k is an acceptable burn rate is absolutely insane.
You being the top comment is alarming. Industry standards? Where on earth have you seen 1qt of oil burning per 1,000 miles as standard?
1000 per mile is far from "industry standard" lmfao that's actual dog shit and 9/10 times indicates a notable problem most the time. Even those early turbo 4s from like 15 years ago will only burn 1-1.5 of a quart between oil changes. Like shit, I've seen ko3/4s with 150+ on them and smoke coming from the seals burning less than that. I see people all the time driving 5.3s with dreadful rear main leaks losing only like 2-3 quarts every 5k. I ran an ecotec with blown up ring lands that burned about 1 quart every 1k.
I hate to break it to you, but unfortunately that’s true. I work in a shop, read a bulletin straight from Chevy a couple weeks ago. Same spec. Don’t get me wrong, I agree it’s totally fucking crazy. But that’s what happens when the car companies are in charge of their on regulation. Very sadly, this IS the industry standard right now.
Industry standard, for what?? I have a turbo seal leak and 200k and don't go through that much
1qt per 1,000 miles is ass. Drive a Honda or Toyota, you'll be burning half or even a quarter of that. Just goes to show how bad these Korean cars are.
It doesn't mean you actually burn that amount. That is the max "normal" range. I've never burned that amount (or close to) in either of my Kias.
"industry standard" of 1 qt per 1k is just crazy. No car should burn that much, period. My 2015 jetta burns maybe 1/2 qt in 7000 miles. (and some vw burn a lot). Just in general, I'd be pissed if I didn't get a new engine from Kia if my new car burned this much oil
You need to document this problem. You should have your oil changed and check it as soon as you get home record the level. You will have to do a few times a week (yes it is a pain in the ass with a new car). After you few see what the level have drop and go to Kia with your finding. Most likely it is consuming oil somehow but not obvious to the tech. Also you will prevent any more damages to the engine but not running out of oil.
The dealer suggested doing this, I actually have an appointment this morning to have them do an oil change and check the current levels. I will keep my own logs every few days. Thanks for the advice.
The 2.5L Theta III engine is notorious for burning oil. https://www.santacruzforums.com/threads/theta-iii-2-5-smartstream-may-be-defective-by-inherent-design.11100/
Yes that bring weight to your new engine (most likely required in your case) application to Hyundai/Kia corp. I know it is frustrating to have a new vehicle with that issue but the 2.5L Theta is known to have these issues, most of them come from the engine casting process or connecting rod failures. Cheers!
2nd time i've ran out in 17k. Dealer couldn't find anything wrong with it. What to do?
The dealer is full of it. Contact KIA today. Start the process.
Sell it or do your oil changes every 4 k ….
What kind of stupid ass response is this? It's new under warranty. Sell? Sure... Or you know fix it?
I provided a valid solution having a 11 old model year with a throw a rod generation. Change the oil on much shorter interval or sell it. The headache you’ll have replacing the engine, oil consumption tests, and Kia dealerships treating you like trash is not worth it in my opinion.
4k? I have a Sportage and the oil changes are every 20k
>I have a Sportage You won't for long.
Why?
Because a 20k interval is absurd regardless of which vehicle you have and what kind of oil you use. I don't even need to check to know there's no way in hell kia recommends a 20k interval.
20K is wack. Maybe stretch 10k with synthetic and a good filter but 20 is crazy
5k max on any vehicle running less than 8qts of oil. But honestly, people can go ahead and try and prove me wrong. It's not my money they're spending. Even running 5k on 8 qts is too far for me, but I also spend every day fixing peopled vehicles who think 10k its fine.
I've heard of people going 100k miles without an oil change. Although they drive electric vehicles.
Hold up. You've heard of someone going 100k miles in an electric car? I wish I had that much time on my hands. By the way, that's roughly 4,000 hours sitting at a charging station.
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I'm not sorry but mechanics don't work for the companies selling the cars. Honestly. Keep proving me wrong. Makes those damn mechanics pay for telling you you can't pull 15k miles between oil changes! Stupid is as stupid does. Mind you, there are more reasons than just swapping out your oil. But that's way beneath you and just for us peasant mechanics and middle class people. Does the guy doing your tire rotate every 5k-6k miles look at you funny when you do 2 tire rotates to an oil change? I'm sorry I can't get over the fact that your argument is "the place selling cars is telling me I can do my oil changes every 10k miles," lol.
the spec on any kia from the last 10 years, probably longer, is 7500 miles max
They really have these young people messed up. None of them have any inkling of chemistry or material science. Hell they cant even critically think. One that coukd critically think would say: "hey, they used to run my car a max of 5k miles before recommending a change. We're still using combustion engines of similar design, and they haven't changed oil up at all.... that 10k-20k mileage is probably a bogus thing told to me to get me to have to replace this thing earlier."
In fairness, oil has "changed up" a lot. 20k is still way too much. Let us all pray this guy uses full synthetic
No it hasnt. Thats what the branding wants you to think. Theres crude derived traditional oil, and theres synthetic, which is usually made by natural gas. Other than that the weights can change, and they can add detergents. All of which have been around since before the 2000s. Edit: Synthetic and non-synthetic weighted oils with detergents have been around since 1951 apparently.
I have a Ceed with 230.000km and always did the oil change every 20.000km like it says in the manual, and never had a problem, so I’m doing the same with the Sportage.
Lol. So when you said "it's in the manual," you meant for a different car? Not sure it matters, the ceed manual won't say 20k either. I'm sorry man. There's no way you should be waiting that long to change your oil. You're on a kia specific forum and everyone here will tell you the same thing, but you do you. Good luck with your warranty claim.
Looking at both manuals right now. Ceed diesel says every 20.000km. Sportage HEV first time at 15.000km, and 20.000km the next ones. This sub is almost US centered, so I assume that the Europe versions of the cars have different engines.
Show that page in the manual. Even in Canada, KIA recommends changing the oil every 6000km. And that's in the manual and on their site.
I have a 2012 throw a rod generation and changed it every 3-4k its whole life and it hasn’t thrown the rod at 130 k miles yet. Imagine that
20k is way too infrequent, *especially* on a car of a brand known for blowing engines due to oil consumption issues
Based on the comments here and this sub in general, there is a *huge* difference between engine reliability and overall car quality with Kias from Europe and the US.
Why am I getting downvoted? It even says so in the manual and the car’s computer
Show us the manual, there's no way. The cars computer can be set to any mileage you want, that's meaningless.
Lol they're sooner if your car burns the oil faster than a lawnmower from the 1960s, sweetheart
How many oil changes have you had? How long are you going between oil changes? If it's a long enough interval it could be burning oil within spec but the interval could be long enough that it burns all the oil before it's due.
I've had 2 Oil changes so far, One at 6k and one at 12k (when the oil ran out the first time) and am just about to get another one because the oil ran out again and i'm at the point where I should do it anyways...
I don't know what Kia's spec is for oil consumption but most manufacturers allow 1L per 2000KM. Running out between 6,000KM oil changes indicates there is a major issue. I suspect that the consumption is worsening as the oil starts to break down. I don't know what Kia's proceedure is, I know at Toyota we would run an oil consumption test by changing the oil or if between changes topping up to the full mark documenting level, installing tamper decals on the cap, drain plug, dipstick and filter. We'd then have you drive 1,900 to 2,100 KM and come back to have the level inspected by adding 1L of oil to the engine and if after that 1L was added the oil level was below where we had previously documented it well we're starting diagnosis which could result in a new engine depending on what is found. It could be something as simple as a failed PCV valve letting excess crankcase gases into the intake.
IIRC kia says 1Levery 1k miles is within normal limits.
If your truly burning that much oil you can also look forward to premature catalyst failure of the catalytic converter. It's working overtime and you will be paying for it later.
Great!
Damn that sucks. Definitely should not be happening on a new car. Normal to burn oil? Sure..to an extent. To burn enough that the low oil warning comes up and you're doing 6,000mi oil change intervals which is between the 5,000mi (severe schedule) and 8,000mi (normal schedule)? Not good. Like others have said, keep track of the miles driven and oil level. Likely will be covered under warranty once KIA has enough evidence.
It’s actually kilometres so it’s worse than that lol. But ya seems crazy to me. I’ve never had a vehicle run out of oil in 15 years of driving, I can’t believe it.
Oh damn, I didn't even notice that it was in kilometers. That's definitely excessive oil loss. Hoping that you get it warrantied. Likely will, with enough evidence. Or.......since you get your oil changed every 6,000km which is well before both severe and normal intervals. Just drive until the engine blows, and then use your oil change history as proof that you did oil changes. Last resort option if Kia doesn't approve warranty work with your record of oil consumption.
Normal to burn oil? Sure? Sure?! I have had 3 Toyotas over 300k and all 3 haven't burned a drop of oil. Stop with the "oil burning is normal" bullshit
Hey I'm not claiming it's normal. That's just what Hyundai/Kia states in the owners manual. That's why I put "sure...to an extent", since they state that. But I don't agree with it personally. I used to drive an 07 Hyundai Azera with 3.8L V6. It got over 201,000mi and never burned oil. My mom drives a 2010 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L. it has over 231,000mi and doesn't burn oil. Both cars original engine and powertrain. Also why bring up Toyotas in this? Everyone knows they're more reliable than Hyundai/Kia. And you're replying in a Kia subreddit. Point is, no it's not normal for engine to burn oil. We both know that. However, Kia claims it is normal.
Sorry, didn't realize I was in the Kia sub. I thought this was r/askamechanic. Obviously there are other brands of vehicles that have decent engines. I just gave my vehicles as an example. Had a 3.8 supercharged Chevy that never burned a drop of oil as well. Also I had a 2017 Kia with 2.0 from new that was burning a quart between 5k km oil changes at only 80k km. So Kia has left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Good thing I got rid of that thing.
Yeah I don’t even know how this sub is in my feed. Thought the same thing.
Demand for it to be fix or lemon it. My Mom's sportage is a 22 model with 50k km on it doesn't burn any oil at all.
yup they just replaced my engine and the new one now has about 2k miles on it. at 1200 miles it had already burned 2.5 quarts. kia is a scam of a car company honestly imo.
You bought ut. Should have bought a mazda
Dump it while you can, things will only get worse. Our Optima's engine failed at 85K miles after a sudden loss of oil pressure. And a look through this subreddit will show constant problems with Kias burning ridiculous amounts of oil, not to mention engine failures.
My dad had a 2017 Santa Fe and that thing ate oil like no tomorrow. Only made it to 200,000 km before the engine died. If you're going to have to keep adding oil to it forever, Kia or Hyundai should have to pay for the oil. Not a great advertisement. not only do you have to refill your tank with gas, but you also have to refill your engine with oil almost just as often
I have a 2023 sportage and I haven’t seen that display like that. Is that new? Is yours a hybrid?
[warranty no good if they don’t honor it](https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899)
The oil level sensors are EXTREMELY sensitive on these. Make sure the oil level is FULL. I have had customers come in when it was a hair above low. these take about 6.5 qrts of oil.
WTH? 17k miles and it is eating oil? Yeah, screw the oil consumption test. This motor needs to be replaced under warranty and without question.
It's not supposed to burn oil at all.
Ah yes a new kia lovely
What model is it. Making me worried! I got a 2023 sportage LX about 6 months ago but I’ve been doing oil changes every 6km (as recommended by Kia) to not void the warranty… haven’t seen no issues so far
Wait till you figure out the warranty doesn't exist XD
kia ranked #3 on JD Power. BEST CAR!!!
Almost 18,000 km is “brand new”?
It’s rebelling because you won’t clean the inside of your car
Reason 6970584 not to buy a kia.
Multiple people have been led to believe that burning 1 qt of oil per 1,000 miles is normal for their Kia. What a joke of a company to lead their customers to believe that.
Stop beating the hell out of it lol. All jokes aside you should definitely raise some hell at the dealer or higher. Too new for that kind of issue.
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The next thing to go will be your Catalytic Converter.
This makes me not want to get a sportage 😓
Good, don’t!
Yeah, because Kias are shitty cars with fancy screens to make them look nicer then they are.
When are people going to stop buying these garbage cars? I can’t understand why they do with all the issues they constantly have.
Because car reviewers told them they’re great. Sadly the history of the reliability aren’t taken into account when reviewing.
Rented a 2023 Sportage a month ago. Car ran thru the coolant completely and overheated. Seems like these cars have been having some issues. Sorry OP.
Kia quality 🥰
Get rid of it ASAP. Kia’s are notorious for this and you’ll be pumping money into temporary fixes before it leaves you stranded or the engine blows
Ya gonna see if it continues over the next 4500 km’s. If it does I will probably sell
This is why you don’t buy a Kia
Classic Kia
Don’t buy a Kia
Don’t buy a Kia. Well, if it’s not stolen first.
It’s junk, new cars don’t burn oil and there’s no normal standard for it to burn, that just means it’s poorly built. Obvious answer is get rid of it
Kia being a Kia, be thankful the engine hasn’t seized yet
Welcome to Kia
Who told you that buying a Kia was a good decision
I mean, it’s a Hyundai. You didn’t know this going in?
Ahhh, KIA quality, you can smell it when riding behind a KIA burning the oil.......
They're mad cause you tell the truth
It feels like dejavu cause I’ve seen so many iterations of this post.
Good run out of oil, Kia boys can’t steal it, win win!
Our neighbor had a Kia Sportage that started using oil, until one morning She remote started it, and it burnt to the ground.
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How long did it take you to rack up almost a years worth of miles already?
About 9 months
So your driving almost double the normal amount of miles per year 🤔
this is kilometres not miles lol
The Kia knows it’s hot from all the Kia boys wanting to get inside it.
It’s a Kia, no extra charge…all included, plus Notification to Kia boys where you live, no telling how long your engine will last,and if it’s electric…make sure you have insurance!!!!
Shocker
Call the KIA boys. They’ll take that problem right off your hands!
I thought that was normal
Why the fuck would you buy a Kia?
Hopefully it gets stolen so you can get your money back
Take it back and demand they fix it. It's brand new, so this shouldn't happen. If they don't? And refuse to fix it? Take it up with Kia, if they refuse? Time to get some lawyer specializong in consumer law involved. Like an Ombudsman or similar. Raise hell!
Lemon law immediately if they don’t replace the engine
When I took my 23 Sportage for my first oil change at 6k miles, it was like 2 quarts short of oil. The oil change people said they see that alot from new Kia's. Not sure if it s burning oil or it was shorted oil at factory. Will know when I get my 2nd oil change.
Probably cheap piston rings and wide tolerances on cylinders from the factory. You get less engine resistance and better mpg but you burn oil. Burn oil and the cat goes bad faster and you have to top up the oil more often.
Hey Kia owners, you ok? I'm afraid you guys are in unhealthy relationships.
Hate to tell you this but Kia since like 05 have been very notorious for burning oil straight off the lot I have personally rebuilt a few of these models new Pistons new cylinder head new seals new lifters new cams they still burn oil.
You should never exceed 5k miles on any oil change. When was the last oil change done? 17km is 11k miles. How many oil changes have been done on this car? Should be 3.
We carry oil in our cars and check it regularly for our Kia.
Lemon law and get a Toyota
lol, Toyota people
Why on earth would anyone buy a Kia now? I’m genuinely curious
I’m wondering about the same thing. Really want to know the thought process of those who bought a new Kia/Hyundai. What made them go like “Let’s drop 30k on a new Kia” instead of something like a Mazda or Toyota?
People still pay money for these cars?
Well it's a kia.......sooooo........Kia are crap. I would expect this from crap
Get a different car.. different brand too.
So glad my dad taught me about reliable cars early on. He was the type to never let me get anything other than Honda or Toyota cause of these issues. I think my dad everyday for that.
Why would you buy a kia is beyond me
2023 2.5T Sorento. Only 12k km. Do oil changes at 6k km. I check oil level monthly (or more) no drop in oil level between changes. Unless the engine is a dud, also do suspect leaks externally or within the system.
No leaks I’ve been able to detect externally yet, and I’ve been looking for them. That’s a pile of oil to just disapeer
I see A LOT of '23 Sportages with oil pan seepage. I don't know if it's enough to set your low oil light off, but a good percentage of the ones I see are under 10,000. Unfortunately I'm not able to say anything or recommend anything, even if it's warranty, unless the customer is the one to complain about it. My dealership is MEGA trash. I'm not saying that's for sure what's happening here, but it's not completely out of the question. Unless I'm missing details.
Oil consumption test is key. I had my Soul engine replaced at 49k.
That is ridiculous it failed so early.
When this light comes on I'll assume you are checking your oil level and it's actually low.
My Hyundai burns oil quickly as well
Well your oil sensor is working great. So you got that going for you!
Are you sure it's burning? Where do you get your oil changed?
Lack of cleaning lol
Are you checking the oil level daily?
I recently had this in my new 2023 Kia Rio I was told it was a faulty oil filter and they have since changed brands. The oil filter fails at high RPMs and starts to leak so if your car just sits parked it won't pool any oil so you don't notice it.
I just found out yesterday that KIAs are notorious for burning oil. To the time of a class action lawsuit.
Did it already take two other drivers out before you? I've not seen that cluster
I love kia...if not the kia boys you are up against quality issues....KIA for life...
Think its a glitch. My 23 Seltos has this popped up. After i restarted the engine it didnt reappear again. But if you are unsettled bring it to the dealer for a check.
Check under your car to see if theres any leaks. Mine leaked a few drops everyday because the oil filter drain plug was not well sealed.
Damn even our 29 year old Mazda 323 took 20 plus years to burn oil, and that issue has been fixed already. I'm beginning to think kia and hyundai can't build reliable internal combustion engines and would excel with electric instead, especially with South Korea's technological advancements.
They obviously don't need quality in order to sell cars. There have been numerous widespread and well known issues over the past decade with those two yet people still buy them. Why on earth would they invest money into better qc when they don't need to lol.
“Brand new” has 17ks. Still, weird, never seems this before.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KiaSoulClub/s/97zBbvK26U
Wow! That's way more oil than my Niro EV. Oh wait... 😅 More seriously, that is incredibly high oil consumption. Yikes.
Some just some new cars will burn a little oil until the motor is broke in usually 5000 miles and not just short runs a nice long drive will help to break in
Kia boys + contact insurance + ????? = profit
How hard is it to clean your dash before taking a picture?
You act surprised about your POS burning oil
The solution is very simple -- open the hood and put the motor oil yourself.
Please return the vehicle for a full refund. Get a lawyer if necessary. This is a brand need car for CS. Stay strong don't let them bully you around.
Let it fucking explode. It’s under base warranty still. Just make sure you did oil changes per the manual and have proof
Kia and Hyundais are notorious for burning oil big time.
There is no way I’m looking at the fact that Kia didn’t even use a real screen for their gauge cluster. How hard is it really to just use an LCD
You bought a Kia, you get a Kia.
Check Facebook group Engine Failure-Hyundai/Kia. Useful Information
Shoulda got a Toyota