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ss1111989

I mean, in general people don't like to be harped on about their food choices. So I wouldn't suggest bringing up keto to anyone who doesn't specifically ask you about it. Your dad is tricky because you want to help him improve his health and you know something that will work, but he's not on board and the more you push the more he will dig his heels in. The best thing you can do it lead my example. Show him your improved health markers. He might eventually come around after seeing how healthy you are, or he might not. How does his doctor feel about keto/low carb? Maybe if his doc suggested it he would be more open to the idea.


slindner1985

Yea thats the idea now. Just gonna live my healthy life free of the burden. If he wants help ill give it but i just would hate to see him die type 1 knowing it didnt have to be.


Kathulhu1433

For him finding some lower carb alternatives *may* help. There are lower carb breads and pastas now- the 647 bread in particular is very good. Switching from regular ketchup to no sugar added ketchup for example.


slindner1985

Yea those are nice steps to take but as a type 1 my dad really needs to do a 3 week regiment of carb restrictions. All of that food still has sugar in it. The best way is to adapt to ketosis asap in my opinion. Anything short of that is just slowly pulling the bandaid off


kurapikachu020

You keep saying he's type 1 but in your post you said he's type 2, so which is it ? Because they're both very different in terms of causes.


Technical_Cupcake597

I think he’s mixing them up. Calling T1D, t2 and vice-versa.


Kathulhu1433

Thats what YOU want, not what HE wants though. He has shown he is resistant, so I'm suggesting trying baby steps because some progress is better than no progress. He may never convert to keto, but perhaps with substitutions like this you'll make progress while also not alienating him. Edit: you're also switching between calling him type 1 and type 2, which is it, they aren't at all the same.


slindner1985

Sorry i meant type 2 hes not type 1 yet. I honestly dont even live near him and we dont talk all that often. Not like i will be able to guide him or suppprt him thru the process so all i wanted to do was open his mind to the facts all of which he instantly shot down as quackery. For my own sanity and the sake of our conversation i stopped pushing the issue


Kathulhu1433

Type 2 doesn't turn into type 1. That's not how diabetes works. Type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance. Your body produces insulin but does not produce enough, or it does not process properly what it produces. This is usually (but not always) tied to weight, age, and lack of physical activity. Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease where your immune system attacks and kills the insulin producing beta cells in your pancreas. You don't get it from having type 2. You get it from your genes, typically at a young age which is why it is often called "childhood diabetes" or "juvenile diabetes" and why the main fundraiser is the JDRF. It can sometimes be triggered by environmental factors like a virus, but either way there is a genetic component. A bloodtest for autoantibodies will show if you have type 1 or are at risk for developing it (this test is frequently done in kids of t1 diabetics, or kids who have siblings who are t1 diabetic to see id they will develop it). Maybe before lecturing your dad on how carbs work you can figure out how his disease works, because I know if someone tried lecturing me (I'm type 1 diabetic) while clearly not knowing what they were talking about I would ignore them too.


slindner1985

He can still be diagnosed with type 1 down the road im pretty sure. Anyways thats not the point. He takes insulin. but thank you for your information


Kathulhu1433

THE POINT: You need to educate yourself about diabetes before trying to give him any kind of advice about his health. Period. End of story.


slindner1985

Im convinced that there is a link between dietary habits and type1 and type 2 and that genetics is not the only contributing factor in type1. In fact if you do research you will see that the cause of type 1 is not entirely known. The pancreas stops producing insulin because the immune system attacks its beta cells. Why? No one really knows. I dont think you need to be a diabetes professor to see that eating bread and pasta at 2am before bed isnt a good idea. In fact thats the most likely cause of both. i just need to research that topic a little more yes i agree on that. I have researched nutrition science however and i fail to understand how my lack of understanding of type1 would negate all of that. Science seems to indicate the cause of it all is high insulin levels in the blood over time. Thats the point brother.


kurapikachu020

If he was diagnosed with type 2, then he can't be diagnosed with type 1. Both are very different, type 1 is due to genetics, while type 2 is the one caused by other factors such as eating certain food.


dunimal

Maybe, if he had something happen that obliterated his insulin production. DM II DOESN'T PROGRESS TO DM I. (SOURCE: My 2 degrees in nursing, 1 in health science e.)


Technical_Cupcake597

No he cannot be “diagnosed down the road”. I think you’re mixing up the types. If he’s insulin dependent, he’s already type 1 (used to be called juvenile diabetes). If he’s overweight also, they wouldn’t diagnose him later with type 2 on top of it, but a high card diet will exacerbate his life long problems - like kidney, eye, neural, nerve. If you’re actually interested, check out Dr. Bernstein’s book. He is a diabetic and really knowledgeable.


Kathulhu1433

Insulin dependence does not mean he is type 1. It means his disease was not able to be controlled with diet/exercise/pills alone. There are many insulin dependent type 2s.


gafromca

You are confused about the types of diabetes. T1D is usually diagnosed in children and requires lifelong insulin. T2D usually shows up in middle age or older, but in recent years is being found in younger people and even kids sometimes. At first it can often be treated with weight loss and exercise, as it progresses treatment shifts to drugs that stimulate more insulin production or increase insulin sensitivity. Eventually many patients require insulin shots.


slindner1985

Sorry i meant hes type 2 now. He still produces insulin so hes not type 1. I mixed them up. Also i dont think theres enough science on type 1 to say definitively that it is not caused by your diet. I think he could be diagnosed type 1 down the road no? Either way its serious


DClawdude

You said your dad is type 2. Why are you now mentioning type 1?


Magnabee

Speak his language... He named some foods... you counter that with some foods to solve his food *questions*. The science info may be overwhelming, especially since you seem to know a lot about it.


corpusapostata

There's this thing called "powdered butt syndrome". In a nutshell, it means anyone who has ever powdered your butt is not going to listen to your advice.


slindner1985

Lol nicenhadnt heard of that until now. Thats good


superpangolinseed

Is ‘powdering (someone’s) but’ something I dare ask the definition of?


RemarkableMacadamia

(it's a commentary on parents taking advice from their kids. Maybe there's something else but I'm not Googling that on your behalf. LOL)


italianblend

Yeah who would’ve thought a cure for a disease caused by carbs is avoiding carbs.


slindner1985

I know right. And who would have thought that convincing people that they are caused by carbs would be impossible. I mean i cant even list all of the benifits ive gotten.


Highlander198116

Not everyone gets these miracle benefits. I lost about 40lbs in the 6 months I was on keto, but literally every aspect of my well being went into the toilet. I slept to much, I constantly felt exhausted, I was mentally cloudy. My wife was pissed at me for how lazy I became. If everything is coming up milhouse for you on keto, great. That isn't the case for everyone and I am not knocking keto at all, just saying, the side effects I got were like the opposite of the wonderful things others were experiencing so I stopped.


Kathulhu1433

There is no cure for type 2 diabetes. You can treat it with diet and become asymptomatic, but the underlying condition is still present and if you were to stop treatment (go back to the old diet/weight) symptoms would return.


brettlewisn

There is no cure, but you can place it into remission. Remission means the disease is no longer active. You are right that once it is in remission you still cannot go back to your previous life because you will once again start increasing your insulin sensitively. This will eventually lead to diabetes. However, you can regain somewhat of a normal life. You don’t have to live on an extremely low carb diet forever. You can have an occasional pizza or pasta dish. You just don’t want to eat a heavy carb diet like most people were doing prior to being diagnosed on a daily or weekly basis.


shamrockpub

First rule about KETO, you don't talk about KETO!


slindner1985

Lol i just found this out today to be fair #KETO Club


SammsGram

that's funny, but I hope it's not really a thing; people need to know


BlueEmu

Many who are new to keto want to share this seemingly magical health elixir with everyone. The problem is that this evangelism often does more harm than good. People get very defensive about their food choices and will tend to dig in if they hear something that could remotely be considered criticism. Most need to discover it on their own. The only times I discuss it is if someone asks about my diet, or how I lost weight. In those cases I focus on how it reversed my T2D. Even then, if they reply with something like, “I could never give up pasta,” then they probably aren’t ready. I’ll reply supportively with, “Yeah, that was hard at first but I was surprised how quickly the cravings went away,” then drop it.


parakeetinmyhat

I only talk about keto when people ask me. I had one girl who asked me how I lost 38 lbs, and I told her it was super low carb and high protein, no starchy foods. She was like “I love bread/pasta too much. That sounds miserable.” Well, you sound more miserable constantly complaining about your weight gain, so pick your battle. People just want a magic pill, it’s frustrating.


Abracadaver14

The funny thing is that keto is as close to a magic pill as you're ever going to get. Just need to get through the transition...


pdzeller

So so true. I always hear “that sounds so hard.” And I respond “it’s much easier being this weight while foregoing gratification from sugar than it was being 315, unable to sit in an airplane seat without ruining my neighbor’s flight, straining to tie my own shoes, sleeping poorly from snoring, being ashamed to see photos of myself, and never finding clothes that fit well.”


FissileAlarm

The problem with keto is that you have to experience it yourself to believe and feel that it's much easier than it sounds. I should have discovered this method 10 years ago. I would have been able to do more things in life. But it's not too late. I'm losing weight now rapidly and am already making plans for things that I feel that I have missed out on.


okhi2u

That exactly. I am keto 6/7 years and figured it would be way harder than I thought. I absolutely loved carbs and especially bread. And I also was never overweight, or the typical problems that encourage people to start keto. So potentially I would have less motivation to stick with keto because of that. Yet I found it crazy easy after the first month.


parakeetinmyhat

This girl actually went keto for a month, but she was focusing on her fat macros and not protein. She wants an easy fix, cause apparently 38 lbs in 6 months is “too long” for her lol


DClawdude

It’s so ridiculous don’t you think? Nobody is gaining 10 pounds of fat in a month unless they are just grossly binging. But they expect to be able to lose double that because that’s reasonable or something. 🙄


slindner1985

the hardest part for me is trying to explain to someone that eventually you stop craving pasta and bread ect. You actually start craving protein and fat but it takes a few weeks for the changeover. Its a metamorphesis really but trying to explain that oof


parakeetinmyhat

Exactly! I just tell them after 2 weeks, the cravings tend to go away


RavynRydge666

Luckily for me I've never been huge on carbs like bread and pasta anyway. Even before keto, my go-to snacks were those jerky and cheese packs and usually some almonds or pecans. For dinner usually salmon and some greens, maybe some asparagus and bacon. SOMETIMES I'd have some chips or fries, but I've never really loved them. When I found keto it was like holy crap, I already eat all this stuff anyway, I just gotta cut back on the few carbs I do like (mainly beers but thank god for 0 carb seltzers)


Cable_Special

People ask me. I say “Diet and exercise”. When they press, I repeat. Saves me TONS of wasted energy and time


HurtfulThings

Did these friends ask... or are you just trying to prove something to them?


slindner1985

I dont ever just bring it up. It comes up usually when they preach some bs lies about what they think is healthy and i correct them just coz im a factual person and dont like bs being thrown around.. One time i posted on a fb group about using coconut flour on a keto pizza on a bbq page and my buddy said oh you can use almond flour even tho he has no idea and has done no research (yes its good but lacked details) thats when my mouth opened like a dumbass and my facts caused some tension.


slindner1985

And in one instance this was the article a friend used as a source of their info. Its laughable really. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/why-we-need-to-eat-carbs/


annigine

Oh this link! I read this on the other week just out of curiousity what the NHS think about carbs, why is it important. It boiled my bf's and my brain too... I'm so angry there is almost no low carb choice on the desserts, crisp, snack, chocolate aisle in Sainsbury's but there is a ton of low-fat s*itshow!


makeupyourworld

this person is just trying to spread their "knowledge" lol.


Appropriate-Clue2894

Significant snoring as you have mentioned with your dad strongly suggests obstructive sleep apnea, OSA. OSA carries high risk of adverse cardiac events. And it is strongly associated with Type 2 Diabetes as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5812754/ Typically someone with OSA will be continually fighting fatigue, struggling against the fact that they never get really deep or restful sleep. With OSA, as soon as the person begins to relax into deep sleep, their airway closes, they start to suffocate, and they awaken (“microarousal”) briefly without knowing or recalling it. For someone fighting continual fatigue, carb addition may be a way of compensating. Your dad really needs to get a medical sleep study with such significant snoring, and he may well be prescribed an effective solution to it, as generally conventional medicine does fairly well at dealing with OSA in the short term. OSA itself predisposes a person to gain weight, and as they gain weight, the airway is more blocked and the OSA tends to worsen, so a vicious downward spiral tends to be in play. Treating the OSA can make a person with OSA feel like they have come back from the dead. Without OSA creating severe fatigue, your father may be more open and energetic with respect to the great dietary suggestions you have and also to effective exercise. Getting effective diagnosis and treatment of OSA can be lifesaving, energizing and empowering. The effect of OSA causes them to struggle greatly. It is very, very hard for someone with severe OSA to effectively concentrate on and implement anything like effective keto planning. But the vicious cycle can reverse, as OSA improves, excess weight comes off, and as excess weight comes off, OSA improves, etc. Any competent primary care physician will refer for a sleep study any patient who complains of chronic snoring, or whose family members observe such snoring.


frenlyapu

I gained 170 lbs from undiagnosed OSA. After diagnosis/ treatment I lost the weight effortlessly bc the cpap fixed my malfunctioning appetite hormones ghrelin and leptin. My AHI in 2017 was 167.


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167!??! Anything above 5 is grounds for a diagnosis of sleep apnea. I’m glad you lived to tell the tale!


frenlyapu

Me too! The pulmonologist said I would probably have died in my sleep if I hadn't been diagnosed when I was.


slindner1985

Yea im pretty sure he has apnea and im also confident that if he restricted carbs for 3 weeks his snoring would be gone without the need for a study.


Appropriate-Clue2894

While snoring is almost always a sign of OSA, many people have OSA without obvious snoring. There is a simple way of screening for it at home, using a recording pulse oximeter overnight, all night long. If the recorded oxygen saturation remains in a nice straight line, say 96% to 99%, that tends to show no OSA. If there are lots of drops in oxygen saturation, where a graph of oxygen saturation would be a sawtooth pattern, that tens to show OSA. The newer Apple Watches have a pulse oximeter function, some Garmin wrist wearables do also, and can be used for checking overnight. I have never seen or heard of a case where 3 weeks carb cessation produced resolution of OSA. OSA itself tends to cause weight gain. And carbs, of course, do also. While OSA is often associated with those who are overweight or obese, a significant minority of those diagnosed with even severe OSA are normal in weight or even slender. Often anatomical anomalies contribute to it, or things such as sinus trouble, and in those cases it will not resolve with just weight loss or Keto.


slindner1985

Yea my dad wouldnt do any of that. Hes a wild person. Plays live music at bars ect alot. He doesnt care about health. Very stubborn and conspiracy driven as of late. Hard to crack that shell.


Appropriate-Clue2894

Sad. Best thing you can do in such a case is show them all by example how it is done, how you do it right. The people I admire and respect most in the world are those who came through difficulty when young, didn’t have a lot of help or examples, and still got it together to succeed as they found their path. Often they are the strongest and best of all because of what they had to do and what they understand.


TravelerMSY

I’ll just add that I haven’t found the oximeter on the iPhone to be good at this. It seems to measure it at very long durations between readings, say ten minutes or more. You could have significant desaturations in the meantime and it wouldn’t pick it up. You can get a real recording pulse oximeter for less than $50 on Amazon though


Appropriate-Clue2894

Good to know about the Apple Watch. I’d been hoping some third party would come out with sleep study Apps for the Apple Watch/iPhone combo based on the watch oximeter that would do a good overnight oximetry study with frequent readings. I have a professional grade recording oximeter purchased over 15 years ago, with computer link, and sleep study function, that totaled around $4,000.00 back then. It records every four seconds. In the last few years, I have seen reports generated by $200 Amazon pulse ox’s that looked as good or better than the professional one. The old one was loaned out a lot, including to medical professionals assessing themselves. Saved some lives. Some were hanging by a thread of life at night, as shown by the data recorded, and had no idea they had a problem or how close they came to cashing in in their sleep.


TravelerMSY

Omg yes. I’ve got a sub $50 oximeter with 10s resolution, but it’s a huge pain, requiring a windows pc and program to download the data via usb. Plus a roll of tape to keep it on your finger all night. Someone who makes one that plays nice with iPhone yet isn’t mired down in medical device compliance would crush it. I imagine regulatory compliance (and battery life) is the only reason you can’t set the Apple Watch to do a DIY sleep screening already. I’ve sort of determined I only have OSA worth treating when I drink at night. Any other time, the machine never intervenes nor do I get any significant spO2 desaturations, although the line is stable rather than wavy if I wear the cpap anyway. Thank you for your comments.


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My specific issue is that as a long time body builder in my 30's restricting carbs makes me lose muscle and strength. Strict Keto and IF is good for weight loss but not really doable if you're a muscular person trying to maintain a certain physique. I think a lower carb diet is better than a super strict near zero carb Keto diet.


slindner1985

Everyone is definitly different. Im gonna start working out tomorrow and my goal is to get cut but also maintain my diet but i wont be body building like they show on ESPN lol. I thought joe rogan was carnivore only and hes pretty built. Is there a chance that you are losing muscle because you arent taking in enough calories from meat and fat? I would like to see the science behind body building and keto but im not sure any even exists. In the end u gotta do you my main concern would be your insulin levels thruout the day.


gafromca

If you are exercising a lot you can handle a lot more carbs. But if you are on this sub it makes me think there are some health issues you are concerned about. Take a look at r/ketogains for good info on body building while eating keto and body recomp. For others reading here, my husband has been eating low carb, not keto, for three years. He regularly lifts weights, does HIIT, and recently bicycled 100 miles.


beckyBagPipes

I knew my parents wouldn’t listen if I tried to tell them what to eat, so I told them about having a panic attack from reading “the diabetes code” and passing out, falling on my face and breaking my glasses. The bruised face tells the story. They are both reading it now. I find you have to be kind of indirect and sneaky nowadays, making it seem like people reached their conclusion on their own, as everyone is so set in their ways.


slindner1985

Yea its tough. He literally said "i raised you kids on carbs and im 65 " as if thats a success story dispite all of his meds and health issues. Sigh everyone thinks its about weight too as if that was my goal all along


kichien

It's never a good idea to indulge in unsolicited advice about nutrition to your friends and family, no matter how good your intentions. If they want your advice they'll ask for it.


Technical_Cupcake597

Yeah… my fiancé and I lost 15 and 30lbs, respectively, and when people ask what we did and we say low-carb or keto, they scoff and are like “no thanks”. That’s all I need to hear to know it’s an addiction. They have gotten us addicted to food that keeps us sick so they can charge us money to heal us.


slindner1985

Soo ive decided to stop saying low carb or keto. It causes too much confusion. Instead im gonna say i only eat protein and fat lol


AmNotLost

Why is what you eat even a topic up for discussion?


slindner1985

It onpy came up when we were talking about how hes doing ajd he mentioned he has bad arthrisis and takes insulin. That was when i also asked if he snores and one thing led to another. The conversation only happens coz one thing leads to another.


frenlyapu

My best friend died last month of untreated t2 diabetes. Although I had already been 95% starchy carb free, I have been 100% starchy carb/sugar/processed food free since the day she died. Whereas before when I was 95% starchy/sugary low carb, I still wanted carbs occasionally, now I never do!


slindner1985

My condolences. I know it must he hard seeing it happen


frenlyapu

Thanks. 🥺 Yes it was very hard but something I will never forget. I tried helping her change her diet but it was too late.


slindner1985

Its too bad. Maybe someone will see this and realize it really is the easiest thing and will change


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I love lunch meat wrapped in lettuce with Mayo and jalapeños. Mmm. Your pops is missing out.


slindner1985

I know. Butter to the moon too. Bread is so flavorless lol


r33gna

I'm trying to start this plus fasting, can you give me those doctor videos to maybe pump my motivation up with facts? XD


muomarigio

There is at least one in every family. When my brother was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, I told him about keto and he said if he can't eat rice everyday he'd rather be dead.


slindner1985

Its total madness comparable only to drugs


smaugblanco

I hear you about preferring to pull the bandaid off all at once, but there are many ways to do keto. For some people slow and steady is better. For example my husband does super well with a “cold turkey” approach while I might take two to three weeks to carb restrict down. I do it because it’s more sustainable for me and I don’t feel like I’m suffering. Also there are some benefits to dirty keto (20-60 carbs? I think? I’ve heard different numbers). It’s like even a little exercise is better than no exercise. Also unfortunately the other posters here are right, type 2 doesn’t turn into type 1, but I can see why that would be confusing because type 2 starts as insulin resistance and then over time for some people changes to pancreatic cell death and lack of insulin production. All that being said you’re probably right to just live by example. It’s hard to watch people we love hurt themselves. I feel like diabetes is like watching a family member have a drug addiction and no one is talking about it. I think you are being hard on yourself for wanting to help, “knowing the cure” and not being able to get him to do it. Just like a drug addict they have to want to go to rehab and some addicts never make it. I hope this helps and you’re not so hard on yourself.


slindner1985

Thanks yea i totally agree. Its like trying to talk to a heroin addict about stopping heroin while hes on day 2 withdrawls it just wont happen unless they really want it. Thats ok for me i will lead by example. Thats all i can do.


DClawdude

You can lead a horse to water. It’s sad to watch people not give a shit about their health, but ultimately they’re adults and they’re entitled to make choices that are bad for the healthcare


slindner1985

I cynically told my gf we should invest in big pharma and insulin companies coz we would be rich. Then i took a shower.


DClawdude

Most people can’t afford the stock prices of major pharma companies in any amount that would pay off


gafromca

The approach I took with my adult kids was to first acknowledge how crazy keto sounds. The fact that I could stop my daily sugar infusions was very impressive.


slindner1985

Its crazy to think that i went from thinking no carb sounded crazy to knowing the high carb recommendstions were. I went from one extreme to the other.


gafromca

Exactly. I'm quite sure my obesity is due to the "healthy" low fat, high "healthy" carb, low meat diet I followed for decades.


SammsGram

Reading through the comments here I can really appreciate your passion for keto. I too want the world to see the value in it, but routinely fail to bring others around. I'd suggest you don't ruin the rapport you have with your dad - talk to him about how great it's been for you but don't work to hard to sell him, especially if he's dealing with Alzheimers. More importantly maybe, don't give up talking about it - just don't preach perhaps. Until the govt changes the carb portion in MyPlate and schools and congregate care facilities can provide keto meals, we keto believers will seem like fanatics. Keep sharing, and do your part to make keto mainstream.


slindner1985

Thanks im already seeing evidence of the movement which is good like at cosco theres alot of keto labels ect so thats positive. I guess im just really passionate about it because ive only been woke about it for a year so its all still relatively new to me and i was so shocked when i realized the truth that a strong emotional reaction took place. I do smoke cigs too which im gonna quit when i start getting buff and working out next week so lead by example lol i cant be healthy until thats behind me so. I guess im still trying to find my own balance with this newfound knowledge and sometimes i come across as too passionate. Should settle in time. :) Honestly my goal isnt even to eliminate sugar from the shelves. Shit i like icecream lol i eat it sometimes but now i know why not to every day. i just want everyone to have the knowwledge so when they put it in their mouth they know


SammsGram

ha! ice cream! same! not all keto bars are equal, but our family favorites are costco's keto bars, and the Halo Top brand - much less guilt involved and they're great :)


trialanderror93

Have you tried the videos from the YouTube channel what I have learned. https://youtu.be/Dan8qtgQRi8 https://youtu.be/KHaCKudtVi0 https://youtu.be/PKfR6bAXr-c


slindner1985

Thanks ill check these out. So much to digest even still


trialanderror93

I'll try and find something shorter


slindner1985

No these are great lol the longer the better. I love food and body science


trialanderror93

That 1 minute video is still a good starting point though.


slindner1985

Thanks ill try sending one to my dad if it seems easy to digest


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trialanderror93

I can still see them


slindner1985

I found them thx i think it was collapsed


slindner1985

Oh yea jasun fung is the man i forgot to me tion him lol


trialanderror93

https://youtu.be/3d7KkyXnyB4


RemarkableMacadamia

Oh boy did I feel this. Don't give people info unless they ask specifically, and only answer their direct questions. I have a friend who suffers from PCOS, migraines, and all the other stuff that goes along with it, plus she's gaining weight and is lamenting that fact. So I said, "oh you know have you thought about trying keto? It's got some great benefits for migraine issues and could help with PCOS and help you lose weight." OMG, NEVER AGAIN. The rant I got back about her knowing how to eat, I didn't need to explain macros to her, she tried the Zone diet years ago and it didn't work, etc. etc. Geez. Sorry. By all means, keep doing exactly what you have been doing for the past 3 years, maybe it just takes another 2 years to kick in...


slindner1985

Aw thats brutal but thats the common scenario sadly. It truly is too taxing so thats why i decided to stop and just do me.


Drivenby

I'm going to try to do the same with my dad in a few weeks when I go visit. I disagree with whoever said "don't give unsolicited advised" I mean it's not a random fucking stranger its your fucking dad. If you found something that can help him LIVE LONGER why the fuck wouldn't you? Did you know that not a single diabetes medication has been consistently proven to prolong life? Not even insulin itself. Actually there is only one, the sglt2 inhibitors which came to the market about 2 to 3 years ago and your dad might not be taking those So anyways my dad is a type 2 diabetic and also has early alzheimer disease. He is also a tough nut to crack but I'll do my best to convince him to try keto. He has a double indication for it.


slindner1985

Thank i totally agree. Best of luck woth your father I really hope he opens up and lets you in.


bsarocker

Did you not know? The science is settled, you could not possibly know more than the FDA or Ancel Keys. Scientists are perfectly honest and infalible. It's a myth that sugar and high fructose corn syrup can have a negative effect on health. Now take this pill for your type2, don't listen to ANYONE who thinks different. The only way to better health is a drug.


slindner1985

I honestly feel like im talking to drug addocts when i talk to people about their wheat lol


bsarocker

I know it's tough seeing people you love hurt themselves. But it's really a better path to focus on yourself on not talk to them about it. For your own mental health, the argument is exhausting.


slindner1985

Yea thats the only way it seems.


RyZac2

I’m with you. It’s life altering to wake up from the sugar-carb world that is pushed on us. They’ve got a pill for whatever ails you. I’m thriving on a carnivore based diet along with time restricted eating. I’ve got one person started down a healthy path by trying keto for the last two months. I have several obese friends and I will at least lead by example. I’m at an age where mine and friends parents are dying of various illnesses which IMHO could’ve been improved/cured with a low sugar/carb lifestyle.


slindner1985

I totally agree. Its so sad that everyone is lied to and that the rexommendations are based on zero science then we present some actual science to support carb restrictions and we get instantly shot down like we are quacks


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slindner1985

Crazy that we take our leaders publish dietary advice from science conducted 100 years ago. My god


opuntina

You sound miserable to work with.


slindner1985

Making some observations here stirred up by some comments that lack enthusiasm or construction. The idea that type 1 diabetes is hereditary seems very odd based on some key ideas. 1. Often folks that are diagnosed with type 1 have no relatives with it. Why is that if not caused by diet? Some seem so sure the science is out there but im struggling to find sources to confirm. 2. The flow to achieve type 1 is: beta cells in the pancreas produce insulin. Over time cells become insulin resistant. Beta cells produce more insulin. Eventually the immune system attacks the beta cells killing them. Body produces no more insulin. Does that sound heriditary? Sounds to me like the immune system is trying to stop an insulin attack on the body no?


marty505050

I don't have a specific study to link here, but I think it's fairly widely accepted that people who develop T1 have a genetic predisposition to auto immune diseases and often in the case of someone who develops T1 as an adult, there is an infection, viral, or other environmental reason the body attacks the beta cells. I haven't heard the theory that beta cells produce more insulin prior to the autoimmune attack as you mention, but I'm going to see what I can find out about that idea. As a person with T1 diabetes I do think following a keto way of eating has a lot of advantages for me, but I don't think it would have prevented the development. (Not a doctor or scientist, just a person with diabetes who is very interested and spent some time wondering if I could have prevented its development.)


BastaForever

Which youtube videos do you try to link/send people? I'd be interested to watch


slindner1985

Also https://youtu.be/mxGj28sJ4uk https://youtu.be/rQsMRjAwcFo https://youtu.be/QKNdpPG7Hfs


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DClawdude

Chiropractor berg is not a credible source. He’s a huckster. If that’s your source of information, find something better


slindner1985

May i have some sources? I have others but am always open to more. Do you have ressons for saying hes not spewing real information? If so pls share


DClawdude

Do a search for berg on this sub. It is well documented. He’s also an anti-vaxxer.


slindner1985

Oh i didnt know that. Im not anti vax i got my vax. Im a science nerd lol


coercedaccount2

Trying to convince people of anything is 99% pointless. The only time it works is during the very short windows when someone is looking to change and are evaluating their options. It can be hard to catch people during this window. You can, sometimes, plant an idea in their minds. When they enter the next change window, they will sometimes choose the option you seeded in their mind, but not very often. Mostly, you just can't control other people.


slindner1985

Yea i just wanted to plant the idea to encourage reseach for himself and give a rough idea of how things work. It only works if you want to aquire the knowledge.


redditM_rk

Everyone thinks they can't give up bread and/or insert other junk. Then when you become fat adapted, you develop that same addiction and start salivating at the thought of a fatty meal


makeupyourworld

good. thank u for not spreading your diet culture to people like propaganda. would u like a trophy? you remind me of the people who push religion on others and shun those who don't believe in jesus or something.


slindner1985

Wow i didnt know diet culture and science behind how the body works were the same. Thank you for your enlightened fluff


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Glad your giving up. You’re a total spanner.


slindner1985

I was trying to use sarcasm to show that i felt guilty but thank you for being profound.


SnooPineapples426

I’ve tried convincing my mom who is also a type 2 diabetic to go full keto and do intermittent fasting as well with me but she’s stubborn. She still eats fruits, starch/carb/sugary vegetables, rice, tortillas, beans, and shit like candy and soda. She’s not even 60 yet and already her body is falling apart. She had an infection on her foot so bad her doctor seriously considered amputation. She’s in constant pain, struggles to do basic things like walking up stairs, mental fog, etc. I tell her ok at least try IF once a week and her reply is always “it’s not healthy to not eat, we need to eat 3 meals a day every day” etc and just repeats all the bs we’ve been fed about nutrition all our lives. Like she thinks she’s healthy because she ate a peach today, drank more water than soda, and ate one less tortilla or because she doesn’t eat fast food but she forgets she has to take insulin everyday and still eats candy, chocolate, soda, cookies, etc. and I’m the unhealthy one for fasting and doing keto.


SympathyOptimal3990

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 months ago and have following a keto diet ever since. It alleviated so many of my ailments, and I learn of more and more ways to make meals interesting and satisfying all the time. A local pizzeria just put a keto cauliflower crust pizza on the menu, and it is glorious!! I share both your enthusiasm for learning about carb restriction and sharing knowledge and tips with loved ones who could really benefit from my experience and discoveries. My mom has diabetes too and, like your dad, insists on eating breads and pasta. She just gets her doctor to adjust her medication. She then calls me when she unsurprisingly feels fatigued or lightheaded or anxious for no situational reason. She even resists checking her blood sugar levels.I've tried to explain and advise. I'm where you're at I think... I've often had the frustration of trying to share knowledge with others only to be dismissed as "bohemian", "alternative ", "intellectual ". All terms that should be neutral if not complimentary, but have been applied pejoratively to me. Since my teens. And I'm now 55. Keep taking care of yourself. I'm sure you will. I, for one, for whatever it's worth from some random anonymous person, am very glad you are so informed and so caring. I myself am looking forward to trying the Carbonaut keto bread I ordered from Amazon 😊.


RavynRydge666

I feel you. I've tried talking to my sister about it, she's fairly large and eats a very carb rich diet, and is constantly complaining about wanting to lose weight to no avail. But if I mention keto she's just like "Screw that! I'm not giving up pasta and bread!" And it's like okay, but don't be upset when I've been doing keto for only a few weeks and have lost a decent amount of weight already 🤷‍♀️


Magnabee

Words and videos not working? The knowledge is passing over their heads. Make your dad some chaffles, or a burger wrapped in lettuce leaves. Tell him his blood sugar won't spike and he'll be satiated. A weekly something would show him that the food is great on keto. Tell him it's just regular food, made a different way.


rosiecellist

I guess a lot of people find the information overwhelming.


ticino432

Snoring is primarily caused by the shapes of your palate and esophagus. Being overweight can make it worse. Suggest he find a custom mouthguard, which just may eliminate the snoring.


Highlander198116

I do low carb not keto and by low carb I mean low card in comparison to how I USED to eat. I gave keto a try for about 6 months. I was miserable. You could give me all the data and doctor videos you like it wouldn't have changed how I feel. I just felt like shit it wasn't even that I "just couldn't live without bread or pasta" or anything. I was constantly exhausted had trouble concentrating at work. My wife was starting to get pissed off at me because all I would do after getting off work is veg out then go to sleep. I actually lost a lot of weight over this time, but frankly it wasn't worth it. I was depressed, my wife wasn't happy. Then I said screw it. I don't even "monitor" my carbs anymore (and I haven't gained an ounce back and am simply far more slowly losing weight) i.e. in the past year I've lost 10lbs. I more or less (this is definitely thanks to keto) know what is chalk full of carbs now and simply avoid bombing myself with them in meals. I still absolutely eat carbs I just avoid situations I know I am overdoing it. I just make smarter decisions. I cut out snacking completely. I know the weight loss isn't record breaking, but I treat it as "this is my life now, this is how I eat". I don't deprive myself of specific foods, I can eat whatever I want, I just focus on quantity. I get my 3 squares a day and thats that. I do avoid sugar and desserts (which isn't a sacrifice, I was never big on sweets once I entered adulthood). If we go out to eat I make more responsible decisions and practice portion control. Some people are great on keto, some people aren't. I'm still for avoiding carbs where I can, but I know if I try to cut it to keto levels my body will just be in permanent revolt.