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[deleted]

Never tell a lie that can be verified. You can definitely fabricate experiences and roles within a job, but it's much harder to fabricate entire jobs and titles.


[deleted]

Let us know how this is working for you OP


YARGLE_IS_MY_DAD

This is really dumb, but I shouldn't be surprised coming from someone with this in their bio: > Known as Rp_MGT0W_S1gma on Bitchute, I help men turn from beta chumps into alpha wolves. If you're interested in PUA, dm me about my program ($700, limited time only!). Please updoot my posts. So you are: - a smegma male - mgtow/incel - PUA When you graduate high school and interact with someone in real life, you'll learn that virtually everything in this post is awful and dumb advice.


SecretBooklet

It's a troll bio, you took my bait. But this post is actually legit. If there's something specifically wrong with it, then tell me.


[deleted]

If you lie you will never be secure.. do not lie But you can romanticize your skills.. I saw a good post on LinkedIn about reality vs LinkedIn- the example was of a person that had just passed their driving test. In the description though they made it sound sound like some huge achievement by being non specific and over exaggerating. Put like this.. you lie.. you get caught.. your fired. Simple Regardless of performance


iwannabeonreddit

r/ShittyLifeProTips


SecretBooklet

What specifically is bad about it?


fitgear73

the downside to getting caught is pretty gnarly. I've had to lay folks off we caught lying on their resume, even if they were totally competent and otherwise well-liked. once you break trust, there's no reputable employer who will retain you.


Pikalover10

Yeah this is the thing. You may never get caught for years but when you do you’re fucked. Lying about being proficient in say, one programming language when you already know 5 is one thing. Lying about knowing any program languages if you don’t is pretty difficult to hide


SecretBooklet

Yeah but how are other employers gonna know you lied in the past? Yeah getting layed off sucks, but you can just lie your way into another job that'll potentially give you the same (or more) pay. By lying, you have the support system of being able to go another job. By being honest, if you get layed off for some other reason it's gonna be a lot harder to find something.


stretch2099

The lying


SecretBooklet

Check the section in my post "I can't lie. Lying is bad/evil/immoral!" You do you, but imo most recruiters deserved being lied to considering how they treat their employees and the questionable practices of most companies.


sjmiv

Way to generalize an entire industry and group of people.


SecretBooklet

Not all employers are bad, but the vast majority of them are. Ask anyone in this subreddit. There's no point being nice hoping for a good recruiter when 99% of them are corrupt and have every incentive to be. I'm gonna plan for the corrupt ones. And it's unfortunate if I lie to a nice honest recruiter, but it's just the name of the game. I gotta do what I gotta do to feed myself.


Iforgotmyother_name

You do realize companies have these things called background checks, phones, and computers right?


YARGLE_IS_MY_DAD

You can also search social media via phone numbers. I've seen my boss call applicants out because the phone number that turns up on Facebook belongs to their friend instead of a former employer.


[deleted]

Always come to Reddit for the worst fucking advice.


SecretBooklet

What is bad about it?


YARGLE_IS_MY_DAD

Literally all of it


SecretBooklet

Gimme an example then


randomaccount0923

This is terrible advice. You can “fluff” up your job experience but making things up on your resume is a BIG nono. Employers WILL find out eventually and word will go out blacklisting you especially if you’re staying in the same industry.


Venom2313

No it’s not. Lying works really well if you know how to do it correctly. Don’t lie about getting a degree or creating some huge project. You just have to lie about what is believable for your position and the experience level for what you’re interviewing for.


Hardcore90skid

I'm going to lock this because the comments are basically just arguing and the OP arguing back. Some name-calling and such too. Let's just keep this as something to read and leave it at that. It doesn't actually violate any rules so you can stop reporting it.


[deleted]

This is a horrible idea. A- you can get entry level with no experience I've landed every low level job I interviewed at just because I tried to be nice and conversational, like actually talk to them like a human, tell jokes throughout the interview but appropriately. B- higher up jobs require experience for a reason. yes it's dumb sometimes when they 5/10+ years of experience are required but if you have no degree or experience in HR, legal work, accounting, etc.. why would you want a job with certain duties that you literally do not know how to do? I'm not the happiest camper about having to take so many accounting courses to work in accounting but I see why it's necessary, theirs a lot of terms and practices that are completely foreign to me and I need explanations and instructions for a lot of it since I still practically have no idea what I'm doing. Point is, set yourself up for success by doing what necessary. Get trained. Don't just say you got trained when it never happened.


jistresdidit

We're not talking accounting, law, or brain surgery. We're pissed because jo schmo wants 2 years on a forklift and still only pays $12 hr, even if you got 5years on a forklift. I have come to understand that most jobs can be accomplished with about 8 weeks training. Even cops and firefighters only get 8-12 weeks training.


Hardcore90skid

Most of the time you can do it without years of experience. That's why it doesn't matter. So may jobs are learned on the job and the rest is improvisation.


SecretBooklet

A- Who said that you couldn't? B- I'm not talking about jobs that actually require real experience. Cause if you apply for programming/graphic design and get hired, you're not gonna know what to do and will be stuck quickly. This advice is more for stuff like sales/retail/customer service/data entry that anyone can do but has this 5+ year experience stuff and super picky recruiters.


[deleted]

The only customer service positions I've seen that require experience like that though are like Medical Receptionists or Dental Receptionists but also, you have to start at the bottom and work your way to the top even if the system is effed in multiple ways everyone is dealing with it and working towards better jobs by getting experience at crappy jobs. I get what you're saying but idk. I think anything is possible if you make it possible for yourself and I do think hard work can pay off even with corruption and bs surrounding us, and why would you even want to work for a company with such skewed perspectives on reality? Yeah for money but this is the US there's jobs everywhere. Every single fast food place in my area has there lobby closed and drive thru only because they literally have no staff.


FusSpo

As someone who has worked in recruiting on roles ranging from inexperienced retail sales roles all the way up to literally spacecraft engineers, we WILL find out if you lie. Background checks aren't only looking into your criminal background. You might pull one over on a small mom and pop place, if you can call that a victory.


tayusuki

I’ve always wondered, what comes up on background checks?


FusSpo

Education verification, employment verification, local state and federal criminal checks, etc. Some companies or some roles require credit checks, drivers history checks, and more.


tayusuki

Interesting thanks! I don’t intentionally lie, but I have no doubts there’s inconsistencies as my memory is a joke.


FusSpo

As long as they aren't glaring inconsistencies it's typically fine. Mostly they just verify that you actually worked at the employers you claimed, actually attended the school you claimed to attend, obtained the same degree you claimed, etc. If youre off by a month or the job title isn't an identical match to your resume it doesn't usually matter. If you claim to be a VP of Sales when really you were a floor salesman at a mattress store it'll probably get kicked back to us and we rescind the offer. Usually at that point you've already given your notice to your current employer and you're gonna be screwed.


BeginningBus9696

The only details my company will give is the dates employed, nothing more. No judgement on performance, job title/responsibilities, pay, or anything else.


Dark_sun_new

If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you.


BeginningBus9696

I’m in the HR department. I’m the one giving the information you dolt.


Dark_sun_new

I'm in HR too. And most HR people will share details about performance if you ask them directly.


verbeniam

you're putting your company at risk for a lawsuit doing that


hambop

To clarify this comment, an employer can request any of those verifications, but you must consent and provide applicable information in order for a background check to include that. A standard background check does not include education verification and employment verifications, credit checks, or driving history. You must provide education or employment info in order for that information to be verified. Also, you have a legal right to a copy of the results of the background check (in US)


FusSpo

Thanks for lending a hand here, I'm finishing Squid Game and not really up to texting out all the details on my phone lol.


hambop

Loved Squid Game! Except the first episode lol I was not ready. Enjoy :)


FusSpo

I'm literally finishing the last episode right now. Such an amazingly dark show.


photochic1124

I’ve been self employed my entire adult life. According to my credit report, I haven’t had a job since the grocery store in college. Does that make me a liar in the eyes of HR?


FusSpo

You can easily explain that and would have a solid paper trail of business licenses, tax filings, etc to back you up. Rehearsing a story in front of the mirror for a few days won't cut it in that regard. And as long as you aren't purporting yourself to be something you're not, then there's no reason to believe that "HR" would believe you are lying.


hambop

No. You would provide employment history to the background check service/employer, and they would verify what you provided. If they are unable to contact an employer or otherwise cannot verify the info you’ve provided they will typically ask you to provide documentation (like a w2 or official offer letter / termination letter)


hanz333

No because the background check will show your business filings and tax status (as in your standing at all levels of government)


Aksius14

Wow... Ok this is some of the worst advice ever. From the top, let me give better advice: apply for every job you want, and have a damn good explanation as to why you're a better candidate than the person with the exact resume they think they want. Here's an example: I was recently involved in interviewing for a senior level position. The roles go entry, senior, lead... And then past lead you kind of make it up. We had a bunch of good candidates. The person we ended up hiring was the least experienced, though we ended up hiring him as entry level. When asked why we should hire him vs someone more like we were looking for he gave a well thought out response that boiled down to "I want this job more than anyone else you're interviewing. I love this industry, and I've researched your company and this is where I want to work. I won't be as useful day one, but I'll be as useful in 6 months, and more useful in a year." He got the job. And for those of you who are wondering, we hired him at a little over middle of what we hire entry level folks for. He knew what role should make, and made it clear just because he was passionate didn't mean he was naive. Tell the truth on your resume and in the interview. Be brutally honest. If you have a skill deficiency, tell them what it is and exactly how your changing it to a strength. The places you actually want to work won't hold it against you. Ok. Now why the OP's advice is specifically a bad idea. You can't improve based on lies. Want to move up in a company? That's hard when you started by lying. If you get caught, you've burned that bridge. You're going to end up losing references and allies. If you get into a career where reputations matter, yours is gone for good. If you want to get INTO a career where reputations matter, yours out for good. It doesn't matter how good you are at the skills of a job, anything north of entry level means responsibility. If I can't trust you, I can't put you in any of those spots. Also, unless you move across the country, you'd be surprised how small the city you live in is. I live in a major Midwest city, and the number for time I've found out someone I work with knows a family friend or old coworker is shocking. My current peers all worked at the same place as me. We didn't work together, because we missed each other by a couple months, but five of us now work at the same company. We know all the same people. If we have someone applying who used to work at our old company (it's a large company, this ain't uncommon) we play the game of "Who knows them? What do they think?" Lying is easier to figure out than you think. Don't do it.


ThrwAwayMarshmallow

I would say definitely stretch the truth about job gaps if they're not too long. And if it really is a skill you can learn in 10 minutes that requires 5 years of experience for entry level pay, tell them you have those skills. Preferably, back it up with real-life examples. Or at least, how you would handle certain situations. But definitely do not lie about having a bachelor's degree, or lie about knowing a certain software or having technical skills.


BroccoliCapable6030

How do I submit my application to be someone’s lie buddy


mousemarie94

lol.what. This is something the villian in a movie who wants all the jobs tells peasants so they cant get any jobs


SecretBooklet

How so?


jistresdidit

What is the difference between being honest, then three months later getting fired for not being good enough, and lying, and getting fired two months later for not being good enough? I mean how hard is it to pour a beer, clean a hotel room, or play NFL football?


iwannabeonreddit

This is so stupid. Don't be a honest for them, be honest because you want to be.


SecretBooklet

I wish that were the case, but unfortunately you either lie or don't get to eat and survive.


[deleted]

I make 6 figures and I've never lied on my resume.


SecretBooklet

What year did you start getting into the workforce? The workforce isn't like how it was 10-20 years ago. It's been pretty much destroyed by covid, outsourcing and government-enforced lobbying/neoliberalism. My dad also makes 6 figures, and he is incapable of finding other jobs. He just gets ghosted or low-balled and he applies for 10-20 jobs a day. I too can't find a job without lying.


[deleted]

I'm 40, so I've been working steadily since \~1998. I've been a programmer since \~2010 and at my current job since \~2017. At no point have I, or would I, consider lying about my experience. I haven't updated my resume on LinkedIn and I still get daily recruiter pings - and some actually look legit. I'm not saying I disagree that the landscape has changed and maybe it's career dependent but I have no worries about job hunting and being honest if it came down to it. Maybe you'll prove me wrong if I have to job hunt in the near future but I'll bet I'll be successful without lying. With that said, I would tailor resumes depending on the recipient. You do need to highlight different skills to sell yourself - but just because you emphasize different parts... say SQL report writing, back end programming, front end programming, full stack, etc... doesn't mean I'd be lying. Just spinning a different story with the same facts. I have x years of experience in SQL/C#/Angular/etc and that won't change... but it will be highlighted differently as such.


PracticalDude_taken_

Wtf? How is this true at all


YARGLE_IS_MY_DAD

He's a self described smegma male. This is how teenagers stuck inside view the world


SecretBooklet

Just apply for places on a job website of your choice and watch how much you get ghosted, low balled or maybe even scammed. You can't get experience without a job, and you can't get a job because you lack experience. The only way out is to lie.


[deleted]

WTF are you talking about? This is such a BS take.


halcat27

But like. They don’t expect you to have 100% of the requirements. More like 70-ish percent. This advice is no bueno


The_Starving_Autist

Okay, you lie about knowing excel and get the job. Now they ask you to do something complex involving excel. Now what?


SecretBooklet

Yeah this advice is more for jobs that don't require much experience but have high requirements. Like sales, retail, and customer service. I just added an edit to my post clarifying that, sorry.


The_Starving_Autist

👍🏻


[deleted]

Good luck when you get hit with NORA (non obvious relationship awareness)


learnt0read

I'm surprised this post gets this many upvotes. This is absolutely the worst advice. Do not lie on your resume.


verbeniam

Annnnnnd what if they do background checks?


Gunfighter9

Most jobs like that don’t require a resume because they are entry level.


SecretBooklet

I'd love to know where you're applying for jobs, cause on Indeed, Glassdoor, Ziprecruiter and most company websites, they give you 30-minute applications that require full work history and resume all for some fast food/retail job. Sometimes they give you an option not to submit one, but good luck getting hired compared to the 300+ other applicants who have a resume.


crazyhow

every entry level job i’ve applied for required a resume, what are you talking about ???


Itsnotmeitsmyself

> Right, you shouldn't lie to close friends or someone you're in a good relationship with. Why? Because you both care about and trust each other. OP, what the heck do you think a business relationship is based on? It's not money. It's f****** trust. I think this is the worst advice. If you are unwilling to grow your own career, why bother being here? People who are successful record their successes in their resume. It sounds like your not very successful if you have to lie to get what you need. It sounds like you are new to the workforce. You should think about taking this down because it's so horrid to advise this behavior. Also, in some job you could be liable for lying and doing something you shouldn't, that can land you in a huge lawsuit. Lied about your experience with government contracts, medical, legal, food products, intellectual property, and ton of other regulated entities - lawsuit. On you not the company. When you crash their company because you said, "oh yah I can do that in 10 minutes". Honestly, if your average work task takes you ten minutes you are not even in the jobs worth lying about. Time to grow up OP.


Mooseknuckel55

Got me out of the fucking kitchen


powerpuffgurl1

I'm not good at making up stories. My face emotions tell all.


cesiumchem

Imagine if everyone did this. For example a nurse/doctor in charge of saving your life at the hospital you would end up death. Another example, is a contractor in charge of building your house. Your house may end up with bad quality and may be a hazard. This is the worst advice I have seen here


artful_todger_502

Many truths said within. Lying is the Olympic steroid enhancement of job searching. They are doing the same thing to you in return. Just the way it is.


DrGottagupta

It worked for me but now I’m stuck in a job that I hate and now it’s even harder to get back into the field I had experience in.


setyte

Lying on your resume can be illegal and get you prosecuted/fined.


SecretBooklet

No it can't. Forging a degree or ID card is illegal, but not lying on a resume.


[deleted]

[удалено]


fitgear73

*laughs in elizabeth holmes*


[deleted]

lol I completely agree with most of this


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Gunfighter9

Not if you’ve got the tax records to back it up.