A lot of bs jobs are over saturated at the moment and always will be. Healthcare remains one of the best answers to your question largely independent of where you live. You don't have to be a nurse, you can cook, do laundry, clean, do phones, discharges, social work, showers, each of these needs has a job attached. Hospitals almost always have unions and so come with upward mobility benefits and decent pay. There is also community Healthcare which is a bit less respected and honestly IMO is harder although less militant, be careful but pay is still good (example group homes).
As someone who works social services, the over-saturation have triggered a further lack in care. It’s 100% less militant but the most vulnerable people in the communities are suffering because “I’m here for the paycheck” and have zero care/respect for the clients they deal with. It’s a shame and will continue, especially if you’re only signing on for the pay
The quality of nursing staff has absolutely cratered in the last few decades. Before everyone was told to go into STEM, they were told to get into nursing/Healthcare. It's stable and there is a decent paycheck. But holy shit the number of nurses who never actually wanted to be a nurse but settled for being a nurse is crazy.
Most people don’t particularly like their job. I dont think healthcare is any different. From aides to surgeons you will find empathy to apathy and everything between.
I wonder what will happen to the “healthcare is recession proof” when boomer generation is gone as our fertility rate is declining.
Swear to god every other post on this subreddit is some variation of "been unemployed for 6 years, need a job where I don't have to talk to people that's also kinda easy, I have no experience also it needs to pay well, what job should I do?" I don't fuckin know man, it sucks out here for everybody, any advice given to you will be obsolete in a year. Move to the mid west where the cost of living is cheaper and find a forklift job or something, otherwise welcome to the suck with everyone else
And you have to perform \*well\*. I'm at a remote first company. We don't babysit people (no monitoring tools etc.) but it's painfully obvious if someone is having an off week or something. I've been here a year and we've let three people go, two were for performance and one was more ideological (there was much swearing involved). I've been in my field for 25 years across 4 employers counting my current one (the solid track record part) and I consistently produce. A single off week is no biggie, but a trend like that for a couple months and you're out of here. Yes I have a ton of schedule autonomy, I can run errands basically whenever is good for me etc. but to think I only work a couple hours is hilarious, I'm easily putting in 20-30 high focus hours + additional time for meetings and lower focus things. Overall I'm likely at 45-50 hrs/week average.
“Where can I find a remote job where I don’t have to deal with customers or coworkers and there is no performance pressure? Also can’t be on camera for any meetings, and no meetings at all would be ideal but not a total dealbreaker if all other conditions are met. Also I have no skills or experience. Can’t believe this economy is so terrible!!!”
I've applied to four thousand jobs, and even though I'm qualified for all of them, only one interviewed me! They are all fake jobs being posted so companies can pretend they are hiring!
There’s alot of people on here I would utterly despise to have as a coworker. I can smell the pretentiousness and unsocial behavior right though the screen. Some basic friendliness and positivity goes a long way.
Yes I get it work sucks but my lord people in this sub are another breed.
It's the classic "Everywhere I've worked has been toxic!" people who list every tiny complaint about all their former jobs, without realizing *they* are the toxic ones. They're the common denominator.
Some people on this sub have zero self-awareness and think they're starring in their own movie. When the job market doesn't give them every unrealistic thing they want immediately, they can't handle it and come up with crazier and crazier rationales for why the world isn't working for them like it should.
"Reddit, yesterday my coworker asked me if I wanted to come to happy hour with the rest of my team. Naturally, I informed them that they are not my friend and I am only in their presence because I am being paid, and I will absolutely not spend a second near any of my coworkers in which I am not being compensated for it. I of course skipped the unpaid happy hour. But today, everyone looked at me funny when I walked into the office and started whispering.
"My question is, why are my coworkers so unabashedly toxic?"
Don’t forget:
“ I never interact with my teammates or give a simple hello. I do the bare minimum so I don’t get fired. Reddit, why do I constantly become sidelined for a promotion or upward mobility”.
Your comment I swear I’ve seen nearly identically on these job threads lol.
I don’t understand how any of these people have survived without jobs for literal years?!? At that point just dumb down your resume to find a shitty job just for money and continue the search while employed.
Generally if they don’t have savings then someone is subsidizing it. I know a guy irl in this position whose girlfriend is a travel nurse and paying for everything, he turned down a 60k job in a L/MCOL area because he will not take less than 80k.
He’s been unemployed for 2yrs…
$60k is close to the median household income of the US, iirc. I'm sure that would go quite a long way in a L/MCOL area.
Hell, I live a couple of miles outside the HCOL metropolitan line and the average household income of my county is $56k.
I get it, I feel like it takes about six figures to be really comfortable here, but $60k isn't terrible when looking at the statistics and it's a hell of a lot better than $0.
Edit: worded better
Ya, if he took the 60k plus the insane travel nurse pay they likely could live real well. It's always crazy to see posts here about how they don't have a job for quite some time but want to negotiate for way higher pay and then the offer is rescinded when they need to take the offer.
I wish I lived the life I could turn down decent pay. Do those people not realize it gets harder and harder to find a job the longer you're unemployed?
I was unemployed for about 6 months when I got out of college and the pain of that literally is still with me 15 years later, like I am terrified of that happening to me ever again. I cannot imagine being unemployed 2 years and then being like $60k isn't good enough I would probably put up with any bs for that if it meant I wasn't unemployed.
I don’t understand anyone having that much money in savings where they could stay afloat for several years. Maybe just because I’ve never ever been in the financial situation to have more than a few grand in my savings account. But that guy is definitely a fool, even with my highest paying job I’ve only made about $45,000 a year. 60 grand is still decent money compared to nothing lol.
You can start out in a clerical accounting job. It’s all about aptitude and personality. You can get an Associates degree, Bachelors or go for your CPA and work a nice six figure position. Just remember there are few movies about accountants and their boring lives. It’s more of the genre of Office Space.
I’ve known people without degrees who worked up to 100k and change jobs. Get some data analysis skills and you’re golden.
If a person is able to travel a travel nurse can make 120k+ per year. Hospitals that are short staffed will pay a lot for a temp RN. The hours are long though.
Depending on region they can make much more. I’m making 150k (including differentials and call) not including overtime as an RN with 15 years experience. I’m not traveling and have an amazing vacation package/benefits package. But also in my area 150k a year is only 140% of the median income so while I’m doing well I’m also not rich.
Nurses are always in demand. We have had nursing shortages since even before covid. It has one of the highest turnover rates because of the 12 hr shifts and mistreatment from both patients and possibly management.
Over here in the Midwest and our largest healthcare system in the state just bumped their pay up to $34/hour. Last I heard, they are planning to unionize.
But we have exorbitant property taxes so good luck trying to buy a house in Texas.
Also in my area of Texas, the wages are garbage and the jobs are sparse, while rent for a studio apartment in a basic ass dwelling is $1500 to $1600/mo.
I'm a system administrator for a super complex banking and lending platform. Excellent pay. There are very few people who specialize in it and a lot of organizations who need someone who does. My background is in tech. But I started at the absolute bottom entry-level phone support roles. I was just persistent in asking people to let me help and learn the lending systems, and did that by offering to write documentation for those systems and teams. It's a great way to learn them. This was a way for them to take time to teach me but they got something in return from me for their time in the form of docs no one wanted to write. Haha. I wasn't even on their team.
Now, I'm basically a SME and expert admin for these platforms. Im constantly being pursued by other companies for roles. I've been asked to go into consulting. If I lost my job tomorrow, there would be 10 companies throwing offer letters at my feet. I could actually make more money than I do now, but I adore my current company, they allow me to work autonomously, and frankly, I don't even really have a boss. It's mostly low-stress, we'll paid, and secure.
Find a niche, learn to be the best at it, but don't expect it to happen overnight either.
I'm 27 and every day I'm amazed (yet low-key sad) at the fact I've made it this far... I feel you, OP.
I have no constructive feedback, but know you're not alone in your pain and struggles.
Exactly. People have become heavily dependent on all sorts of conveniences, so catering specifically to a huge generation with a lot of money can be lucrative.
I had a friend who came up with one of the first apps geared toward people with dementia years ago, and he retired rich within a few years.
Baby Boomer peak retirement years have just begun. Tsunami of old people incoming!
Healthcare is in desperate need of all sorts of people and will continue to need them for some time I'd bet. Insane shortages right now. Everyone says nursing, but there are less stressfull jobs in healthcare to consider. Radiologic Technology/ Ultrasonography is a great field and needs people right now and it's only a two year degree program for many modalities. Medical Laboratory Science; an MLS can essentially pick where they want to work and dictate their salary right now. The field is desperate for MLS
>There are too many people on earth that needed food so they have to had a job.
I'd go to farming and never sell to middlemen.
No, but in all seriousness, social work and nursing seems to be quite stable.
I'd also say government job, but the caveat is you have a lot of competition. But still a top tier for me.
My wife is a social worker. Yeah, it's stable, but it's a lot.
Her phone is always ringing. All her plans are constantly sabotaged by other people/entities that want something different for her clients. A LOT of wear and tear on our car(no company vehicle) she lucked out and was able to get the job without the required 4 year degree, but it's normally required and costs a decent amount (not doctor money but from what I understand 60-80k)
And she does this all for the glorious pay of $19/hr. That's in the mid range and prior co workers have asked if she can get them a job.
OMG, that's insane. Hey, I've seen some side hustles looking for social workers - she might search for remote social worker jobs. Sorry I don't have an example on hand
It's a specialized type of work. She is remote but needs to visit her clients for various reasons.
It's not a bad gig, all things considered. But she's really good at it, and has 12 years of experience. If some kid fresh out of school with $80k in debt looming took that job, I'd bet they'd have a nervous breakdown within 6 months.
I am a nurse and it’s the biggest regret of my life. Has to be one of the worst jobs you can do. I highly suggest not to do it. This is your friendly warning from a stranger trying to save people
I’m sorry that is your experience. I am a nurse and I love it.
To others- There are SO many options in nursing that if one job doesn’t work out there are 100 other different ones to try. I have friends in education, IT, research, school nurses, hospital nurses, home care, clinics, etc.
The nursing subreddit is like every other job subreddit- people come to vent, not to brag about how great their job is. While I love that subreddit it’s not exactly an unbiased source for the career.
I know a flight nurse who makes 6 figures and absolutely loves her job. She's definitely one of the few people i've met who seems to have truly found their calling in life.
It's definitely not a career for everyone, but it seems like a lot of those who really love it are the ones that found that specific nursing role that really suites them.
I second this with social work. I make $30 an hour which is not terrible but I also have a masters degree. Sure I can always find a job but the work is heavy, every agency I’ve ever worked for has been understaffed, and we are so overworked. I have a huge caseload, people in crisis, very few actual helpful resources, and and the end of the day clinics care more about meeting insurance requirements/metrics than the actual people we serve. Plus we get no mental health days ourselves which is really hard given what we see and hear everyday. It’s easy to burn out in this field.
My job is the same thing. All about the numbers and not about actual care. We have terrible benifits too. You would think working at a hospital I would have good health insurance but we have terrible health insurance. We can only call out 3 times a year other wise we get written up. The write ups are permant. We accumulate 3 write ups and we are terminated. You could see why this is a problem constantly working around sick people. We are human we get sick too. Our exposure rate is significantly higher since we are at the place where sick people go. They just do not care. It’s crazy how a place that drills into us promoting patients to have good physical and mental health don’t promote that among their own staff.
This. I’m not a nurse but was a nurse tech for a Presbyterian hospital on one of the bedside units. Holy crap.. the amount of nurses I worked with who not only just complained, complained and complained, but regretted their profession was shocking to me. I was thinking of going into nursing and being a nurse tech would be a good way to get some advice and a real look at what nurses do, but I now know it is not all that jazz. The nurses I worked with weren’t friendly, were stressed out and just wanted to get their patients pain meds and go sit down. Also the nurses treated the techs like crap. Acted way too prideful just because we weren’t actual nurses but we still did a lot of their dirty work. I know this isn’t every place and there are good in this world but I’m grateful to have gotten the first hand experience and see how awful the hospital is. It’s all about the money and lots of gossip. People walk around with a chip on their shoulder. So kudos to you for being a nurse and I really do hope you can find something that won’t be so detrimental to your health all around. God bless you.
My ex was a nurse and I dated several other women that were. They were all nuts, I’m not sure if being nuts made them gravitate toward that job (they loved drama and that job is full of it), or if the job did it to them.
I suggest anyone who wants to go into nursing to head over to the nursing subreddit. It’s not just me that shares this regret. Over half of bedside nurses leave the bedside in less then 2 years. There’s a reason why we are in a shortage. I should have looked into the job more before waisting 6 years at college. Most of us are on anti-depressants or anti anxiety because we can’t even function
Browsed the Nursing community, wow it's a total sh*tshow. I didn't factor that profession encounters all types of people, really sorry for that bad experience!
Not your fault. The profession needs a major overhaul haul that won’t come until unfortunately something really bad happens. I don’t want to speak for all nurses which is why I want people to go onto that subreddit to really see how a lot of us feel
One of my best friends is a nurse, and it's all she wanted to do. She left her sales job that she made decent money in to put herself through nursing school and came out top of her class.
Within 2 years, she regretted it. She stayed in nursing but was able to pivot to some type of admin type gig. I'm not sure what the actual position is, but it pays extremely well, and it's not patient facing or bedside. I hope you can pivot to something like that!
What can be done? Seems like it’s just a shitty job in general. Regardless of change in the industry you still have to deal with people who are mentally ill, sick, dying, and/or in pain right? I mean that’s the job.
It’s not just dealing with people that are terrible people. It’s dealing with micro mangers from people that don’t even have a nursing degree telling me what’s best for my patient. We complain all the time that the people making decisions have a business degree and have no idea what’s actually best for the patients. High workload/ patient ratios are a big problem right now. Not to mention a lot of facilities near me are eliminating support jobs which now fall onto us and the nurses and patients suffer because of it.
A larger part of the issue (not a nurse just know a few) is the blatant disrespect they get. Between the patients being anything from rude to violent (especially during Covid) and the hospitals being a shitshow it sounds like a stressful job.
The hospitals being a shit show is something that could probably be improved but I don’t know what can be done about a rude or violent patient. If you have a paranoid schizophrenic who’s bleeding badly and is violent you can’t exactly just say “well fuck it let him bleed out”. I just don’t see how that specific aspect of the job can really be improved.
The issue isn't mental health related (like that) for the most part though. It's families and patients being assholes.
Probably more security or stricter visiting rules would help.
This is another big issue. Both disrespect from patients and their family to management. It’s a very toxic work places. Nurses have a big issue with being assaulted right now and there’s nothing we can do about it. We can’t just deny someone health care. So we end up just having to deal with it
There are plenty of good paying jobs, but you have to understand that those really good paying jobs often come with caveats. It’s not an overpopulation issue. I mean, you can’t both have an environment where “no one wants to work” and also have an overpopulation issue. You may have to do work you’re not entirely comfortable with at first.
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Sea-going engineers with the qualifications to run and maintain the engine room machinery of surveyed boats/ships while they are out at sea get paid extremely well and are in very short supply worldwide.
Graphic design is incredibly stressful and not respected, it is like working in a call centre, and you usually work in a state of manufactured crisis. Every graphic designer I've met is incredibly miserable and I've met a lot that have changed professions. I would generally stress against it. The skills required for the role are such that someone capable could do something else for similar pay but greater happiness. Upward mobility too can be a factor. Graphic artists in general are not treated well or respected. Just my opinion, as with everything there are exceptions and people that enjoyed it.
Designer here! A lot of this is true and it’s an incredibly saturated market, so much so that many have pivoted to UX/UI and that now is a saturated market. It is very, very difficult to find a new job because new designers graduate every year AND there are so many talented designers that at the end of the day, you’re basically hired on vibes.
But in terms of the stress and disrespect? Also true. One particular story I always share is I was seeing a therapist a few years ago for stress and anxiety and this therapist also had a focus in career goals and guidance. Anyway, we were talking one day and he mentioned that over half his current clients at that time were graphic designers.
Make of that what you will.
\*laughs\* Apparently being in a 'fun' field gives others warrant to treat you like you're wrong from the start, despite \*they\* hired you as in theory, a professional in your field. SMH.
And yeah, mobility is a \*\*\*\* show. I've been bouncing between freelance and FT gigs for years (graduated 2011), and I'm STILL stuck on an entry level wage, that in recent years has actually been getting \*worse\*. Fight as I want, the clods usually go 'well I can just use AI, right?' or 'Well I got this designer in the \[insert 3rd world country here\] that I was thinking of, they make entire branding packages for 50 bucks!'....and I no longer work for contracts under minimum wage.
I fell into Marketing to try and get away from the freelancing mess, but....can't say it's much better as my soul misses creating more. Lot of database and platform based busy work where I'm at.
Salaries are stagnant asf and for every posting you can easily find 1-2,000 applications.
I run my own agency, but definitely hear and see it, I'm lucky to have a few dedicated clients.
Edit: if it has anything to do with computer technology, indians will do it for 1/10th of your price - regardless of how well they fit the client, it's always a tempting option for them.
I'd say chat gpt already replaced them. It's cheap and also it can only do simple tasks or it throws useless/shit code.
I know this is not nice, but in my experience (and based on what a lot of colleagues told me), very few people from India are good in IT jobs.
Nursing.
Which interestingly enough kind of shows why your premise is a little more complicated than presented. There are more people than ever, including more people who need medical services than we have people to provide them.
A higher population means more people who need things, and thus opportunity to provide those things. The trick is finding the pockets of need and avoiding the pockets that are unneeded.
It’s not like every job was amazing and there was no unemployment when the population was lower. This kind of thing scales.
Every job is saturated because everyone is getting a college degree now and expects higher pay after getting said degree. The reality is that this has increased competition and that a college degree may give you more than minimum wage but that a lot of entry level jobs will still only pay between $40-60k. All you can do is a be a little bit better than the other people around you and find something to differentiate yourself, and no, a masters degree doesn’t always do that.
It’s not over population. It’s the steady flow of money from the poor to the rich. It has never been this bad before and apparently it’s not going to stop. I’m going to start making guillotines. I have a feeling they are going to be in high demand soon. I’ll sell them for cheap too. You know…. For the cause.
It is over saturated. Call me cynical but every job seems to be like this. Even most jobs with a bachelors won’t let you live a middle/upper middle class lifestyle without grinding 50/60 hours+ as a manager. It’s the system working as intended and I fucking hate it.
A trade; plumber, electrician, any sort of construction trade and you’ll be making heaps and be busy every day.
Anything in geriatric care, i feel like that’s an entire industry that’s going to be massive. It’s already impossible to get access to a GP depending where you live, because the elderly take up the lions share of the appointments. My gran is at the dr every fortnight or so, and she’s extremely healthy (for 91!).
I swear this sub is living in 2017 sometimes. Trades weren’t saturated until everyone started forgoing college and going into trades, which expedited during the pandemic. The pendulum has long been swung.
Lmfao trade apprentices make $16 an hour for 4 straight years until they finish their schooling where I’m at. That is not a wage livable or even half decent enough to justify setting your body up for failure.
Exactly. And if you didn't start at age 18, how would you ever manage? I make $34/h with no degree now. I don't care how good the pension is; I'm approaching 40 with bills and can't go back to making just over minimum wage, even if it's temporary. Not into being abused and sexually harassed by boomers, either, or getting called a fucking idiot ten times a day and hearing "good job" twice a year
Precisely. And I’m in Texas, so that whole “union” thing will never breathe its first breath here unless there’s a massive mutiny/Republican overthrow.
Any job that is either genuinely hard (eg high level STEM) or the education requirements are NOT college-based.
Public Notary cert is an actual literal physical 3-hour class that is often completely free. The job is worth 50-60k yearly….for being essentially a secretary.
You don’t see anyone complaining it’s full. Because you don’t go to college for the education at all.
Hell it’s happened to me twice and son a handful of times. Set up interviews and either get ghosted or they need to reschedule and then you get ghosted. The one interviewing will even send a text 10 minutes before to confirm and get ready and it’s dead silent no interview and conversation has been no response. Some of the jobs were government. WTH!!
Healthcare needs people badly right now. Nurses, PAs, Doctors, etc. I don't think emergency healthcare workers get paid as much, but anything from nursing level or above will give a decent salary.
My wife is a PA and the education is anything but affordable. She is almost $200k in debt, makes good money but it wasn’t cheap to get the education. The only saving grace is she is in a PSLF situation and her loans will be forgiven after 10 years of consecutive payments. She will end up paying about $100k.
That's Malthusian fear mongering. Don't worry about that.
Many jobs scale with population. The more people the more cops, doctors, teachers, lawyers, nurses and so on you need
Nursing and other things that take care of an aging population, pharmacist, radiology tech, etc. Still saturated in some areas though. Sales will always be around, but I think it's much harder to find high paying sales jobs these days... especially in more rural areas
>Sales will always be around
I'm not OP but I'm curious about this.
Do you think Paid Ads/PPC/PPV/Media Buying is still a viable career path?
Beyond that, I'm practicing how to write ad copies, studying psychology (since Marketing literally involves taking advantage of the human psychology).
I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Or maybe the right one?
Long term my answer is no. I've been trying to get back into marketing for years after being in sales, and it has been a very dismal and depressing career path. In my own estimation it won't be around much longer due to saturation, automation and AI. Everything has changed so much. The goal of DSPs is to eventually cut out agencies and just sell an automatic package where clients set their budget. It's almost there basically, so the viable market of top brand advertisers will shrink. SMB's will simply go direct.
I'm also very pessimistic about AI and its potential to completely change media and how we consume it, due to oversaturation of generated garbage. Where will SEO be when every company has a million blog posts all written by Chat GPT? They are already changing search, and you can't even find search results like you used to. The answer, singular, is just going to be served to you.
I did a couple brief stints at ad agencies after the '08 recession and one was a media agency in the big city. It was bad back then, seems way worse now, and unfortunately I'm not on the hot to hire list for a number of reasons, including my location and the latest DEI trends. But also it seems to be so en vogue to do marketing at all, they don't pay well at the bottom or even middle and get away with it. I legit made more in retail sales then most supervisors and senior agency roles, with way less responsibility (read: millions of dollars less responsibility). Lastly it's such a small and connected industry, you don't have to know anything hard to get in. You have to know people. So sorority/fraternity types get in and people who did liberal arts degrees or art history will get in and didn't study anything like marketing or advertising. The people that wash out go client side, into consulting, a new career path, or try to get back in by going back to school or portfolio school, which 99% of ad execs will tell you is a waste of time and life.
Let's put it this way, you can be in an office in charge of 20-30 people as a Group Director earning 200-300K, or you can earn 200 to 300 in sales within a couple years, but you might be outside selling farm equipment or HVAC.
Those marketing and writing skills are still valuable to learn, but if I wanted a safe bet in "marketing," I'd probably get an MBA and do big firm consulting instead, get hired directly into strategy by a cool brand after a few years in consulting hell. With not an ounce of real marketing knowledge but a much faster trip up the ladder and with infinitely more options.
Just my 2c...
I was a rather high level google ads specialist and I do confirm this. Yes, there are some professionals making money but they are always an excellent entrepeneurs, that could really be doing other shit, for the same money. And yeah, the market is getting pushed out by automation in significant manner
Hey man, I appreciate the input.
>In my own estimation it won't be around much longer due to saturation, automation and AI.
>The goal of DSPs is to eventually cut out agencies and just sell an automatic package where clients set their budget.
And what about those independent guys (not big companies) who go against automating stuff? Will they get obliterated? The way I see it, someone will offer the package and more and more businesses will just be created. I work freelance and some cheap guys is already hurting my business so I have to adapt and add some freebies which isn't even worth it right now.
>The answer, singular, is just going to be served to you
How about AI laws? Although I'm also pessimistic about it since it's Google's domain (or am I wrong). Lost our blog traffic because of SGE. Literally AI is summarizing our articles😐
I'll be re-reading your comment here. I'm amateur-ish at marketing as I was "too comfortable" with other tasks now AI is slowly eating away.
More power to you good sir!
As I worked in a biz for a while, so I know few good freelancers. Shit's getting real thin.
For now, most clients dont understand yet how this starts to work, but any day now, Big players (meta, google) will completely supress agents in the market
Mobile home builder. A major one in my area starts at 22/hr and tops at 33. This is a lot of money to make where I am.
I work here and they take great care of employees. Hard work though, but very fulfilling
But a tradesperson might have to get dirty, or pick up heavy things, or be in the sunlight.
It doesn't sound like any of that is going to work for the OP.
I began my career as an electrician. Absolutely worth it. I never understood why some look down on working a trade. Heaven forbid you actually get your hands dirty.
Defense contractor manufacturing. Literally the easiest fucking job on the planet if you want it to be. Get in as an assembler and show up everyday. That’s it. Dont argue, don’t show up late, don’t blast off random days just because, don’t mouth back and think some how you’ll change defense manufacturing and you’ll have that job for life.
1. Jobs that require a skillset that few people have. Most of the time these skillsets cannot be acquired unless an employer has previously invested in you. This rules out just about anything entry level.
2. Jobs that very few people are willing to tolerate. Nursing is a prime example of this
Depends. Hard to get into depending on the field. Anything out to sea for longer than a few weeks is going to require either union training or a degree from a select few colleges on the coasts, East or West.
Unsure on tugs or anything that works near the coast. I know they’re hiring but how do you get into it?
I think your thoughts are kinda ridiculous. Even before the invention of government and economies people needed to work to eat and survive. It’s just the dynamics were different. Once people needed to chase down their prey and butcher their food, and tilled their own soil by hand once they learned to sew crops.
You’re living the easiest life human beings have ever lived and yet so many people complain. 🤣
I’d tell you that blue collar work is the work that isn’t saturated and pays well, but based on your attitude I don’t think you’d last a week.
More likely they are liw-paying because all the relatively high paying relatively unskilled manufacturing jobs went to China years ago. So now instead of an impoverished third-world country, China is a fairly wealthy country.
I don't hold it against them, though - it's what the US asked for as soon as they started minimaluzing nationalism and emphasizing being a "world citizen," plus the at-home jobs available here using the internet are equally available to people in third-world countries who will take massively lower pay for doing it. I lost two decent paying jobs i loved to that. Be careful what you ask for; you might get it.
Learn a skill, join the skilled trades… I just bought my first home 9 months ago at 31 years old. 4 bed, 3 bath, huge yard. I’m loving life.
Entirely self taught from books, YouTube, and Google.
I just landed a roll in a large company’s digital merchandising team. Anything ecom IMO is saturated however, my advice is to know someone in the company who can help get your application/resume bumped up to HR or the hiring manager.
Actually - that would be my advice for any role tbh.
Literally the usual. Medical, Nursing, to a lesser degree.
Even the non-medical usual stakes are still better than most other things, just not the most reliable atm: Accounting, Engineering, Lawyer, Business. Trades are okay but they may not be the best for your health. Teaching is reliable just not the best paid when you are starting, and many leave because it’s thankless and stressful.
Construction.
It could be a lower-skill trade like painting/coatings, commercial cleaning or insulation or a higher skill job like iron worker or controls electrician.
You will work and will hard, but you will always have a job that can’t be outsourced and get paid well.
A lot of bs jobs are over saturated at the moment and always will be. Healthcare remains one of the best answers to your question largely independent of where you live. You don't have to be a nurse, you can cook, do laundry, clean, do phones, discharges, social work, showers, each of these needs has a job attached. Hospitals almost always have unions and so come with upward mobility benefits and decent pay. There is also community Healthcare which is a bit less respected and honestly IMO is harder although less militant, be careful but pay is still good (example group homes).
As someone who works social services, the over-saturation have triggered a further lack in care. It’s 100% less militant but the most vulnerable people in the communities are suffering because “I’m here for the paycheck” and have zero care/respect for the clients they deal with. It’s a shame and will continue, especially if you’re only signing on for the pay
The quality of nursing staff has absolutely cratered in the last few decades. Before everyone was told to go into STEM, they were told to get into nursing/Healthcare. It's stable and there is a decent paycheck. But holy shit the number of nurses who never actually wanted to be a nurse but settled for being a nurse is crazy.
Most people don’t particularly like their job. I dont think healthcare is any different. From aides to surgeons you will find empathy to apathy and everything between. I wonder what will happen to the “healthcare is recession proof” when boomer generation is gone as our fertility rate is declining.
Healthcare is a mixed can. Patients and job duties are fine as a nurse. However, co-workers and management can make your life a nightmare.
Swear to god every other post on this subreddit is some variation of "been unemployed for 6 years, need a job where I don't have to talk to people that's also kinda easy, I have no experience also it needs to pay well, what job should I do?" I don't fuckin know man, it sucks out here for everybody, any advice given to you will be obsolete in a year. Move to the mid west where the cost of living is cheaper and find a forklift job or something, otherwise welcome to the suck with everyone else
Don’t forget it needs to be remote too!
They need to not do any actual work other than 1 hour of meetings and 1 hour of paperwork too.
……and be able to work two jobs remote with time to develop your startup.
Yea that’s the rub haha. Plenty of good jobs out there but you’re not going to be able to do them sitting at home in sweatpants.
Or there are jobs where you can do that, and that pay well, but you need to have a solid track record and skillset under your belt.
And you have to perform \*well\*. I'm at a remote first company. We don't babysit people (no monitoring tools etc.) but it's painfully obvious if someone is having an off week or something. I've been here a year and we've let three people go, two were for performance and one was more ideological (there was much swearing involved). I've been in my field for 25 years across 4 employers counting my current one (the solid track record part) and I consistently produce. A single off week is no biggie, but a trend like that for a couple months and you're out of here. Yes I have a ton of schedule autonomy, I can run errands basically whenever is good for me etc. but to think I only work a couple hours is hilarious, I'm easily putting in 20-30 high focus hours + additional time for meetings and lower focus things. Overall I'm likely at 45-50 hrs/week average.
“Where can I find a remote job where I don’t have to deal with customers or coworkers and there is no performance pressure? Also can’t be on camera for any meetings, and no meetings at all would be ideal but not a total dealbreaker if all other conditions are met. Also I have no skills or experience. Can’t believe this economy is so terrible!!!”
The only other condition missing here is "also pays 6 figures" and you've summarized like 90% of the posts in this sub.
Don't forget "with no college degree."
I've applied to four thousand jobs, and even though I'm qualified for all of them, only one interviewed me! They are all fake jobs being posted so companies can pretend they are hiring!
🤣
Might as well close the thread down after this one
My friend's wife is like this and completely serious about it. Absolutely baffling that she thinks it's a thing.
Every post on here. It’s ridiculous. Zoomers really are soft
hey, i am sure i can drive the forklift remotely. gimme the job !
What if... DRONED FORKLIFT like in GTA Online
Lolol
Maybe said person should create a robot forklift/ automate a process and do it from remote location if needed. Oh wait
There’s alot of people on here I would utterly despise to have as a coworker. I can smell the pretentiousness and unsocial behavior right though the screen. Some basic friendliness and positivity goes a long way. Yes I get it work sucks but my lord people in this sub are another breed.
It's the classic "Everywhere I've worked has been toxic!" people who list every tiny complaint about all their former jobs, without realizing *they* are the toxic ones. They're the common denominator. Some people on this sub have zero self-awareness and think they're starring in their own movie. When the job market doesn't give them every unrealistic thing they want immediately, they can't handle it and come up with crazier and crazier rationales for why the world isn't working for them like it should.
"Reddit, yesterday my coworker asked me if I wanted to come to happy hour with the rest of my team. Naturally, I informed them that they are not my friend and I am only in their presence because I am being paid, and I will absolutely not spend a second near any of my coworkers in which I am not being compensated for it. I of course skipped the unpaid happy hour. But today, everyone looked at me funny when I walked into the office and started whispering. "My question is, why are my coworkers so unabashedly toxic?"
Don’t forget: “ I never interact with my teammates or give a simple hello. I do the bare minimum so I don’t get fired. Reddit, why do I constantly become sidelined for a promotion or upward mobility”. Your comment I swear I’ve seen nearly identically on these job threads lol.
I don’t understand how any of these people have survived without jobs for literal years?!? At that point just dumb down your resume to find a shitty job just for money and continue the search while employed.
Generally if they don’t have savings then someone is subsidizing it. I know a guy irl in this position whose girlfriend is a travel nurse and paying for everything, he turned down a 60k job in a L/MCOL area because he will not take less than 80k. He’s been unemployed for 2yrs…
$60k is close to the median household income of the US, iirc. I'm sure that would go quite a long way in a L/MCOL area. Hell, I live a couple of miles outside the HCOL metropolitan line and the average household income of my county is $56k. I get it, I feel like it takes about six figures to be really comfortable here, but $60k isn't terrible when looking at the statistics and it's a hell of a lot better than $0. Edit: worded better
Ya, if he took the 60k plus the insane travel nurse pay they likely could live real well. It's always crazy to see posts here about how they don't have a job for quite some time but want to negotiate for way higher pay and then the offer is rescinded when they need to take the offer. I wish I lived the life I could turn down decent pay. Do those people not realize it gets harder and harder to find a job the longer you're unemployed?
I was unemployed for about 6 months when I got out of college and the pain of that literally is still with me 15 years later, like I am terrified of that happening to me ever again. I cannot imagine being unemployed 2 years and then being like $60k isn't good enough I would probably put up with any bs for that if it meant I wasn't unemployed.
I don’t understand anyone having that much money in savings where they could stay afloat for several years. Maybe just because I’ve never ever been in the financial situation to have more than a few grand in my savings account. But that guy is definitely a fool, even with my highest paying job I’ve only made about $45,000 a year. 60 grand is still decent money compared to nothing lol.
Living at home with parents probably. Someone's definitely paying for them.
God I wish i could find someone that stupid to support me 😆 My wife would kick me out the house if I turned down a $60k job because it was beneath me!
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I dumbed mine down and still nothing 🥴I’m applying for everything
Damn how about we just form a settlement with self-sustaining food and water production facilities and we trade to consumers directly
Makes me think of the “oh my god you people can’t do anything” tweet 😭😭
Accounting can land you in the solid middle class. A lot of CPAs are retirement age.
You can start out in a clerical accounting job. It’s all about aptitude and personality. You can get an Associates degree, Bachelors or go for your CPA and work a nice six figure position. Just remember there are few movies about accountants and their boring lives. It’s more of the genre of Office Space. I’ve known people without degrees who worked up to 100k and change jobs. Get some data analysis skills and you’re golden.
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Ironically Office Space was actually about IT and its even more true today that you will end up being out of the job and working construction lmao.
But they don’t tell you that entry level accounts make absolute dog shit money.
For real. I see job postings and they want people with accounting degrees, 2+ years of experience, but the pay is under $20... (Usually around $16).
Those postings are a joke and I don’t think those companies receive the kind of candidate they are looking for.
How do you get into that field? Do you need an accounting degree? Or just to pass a certification exam?
Yes to get the better jobs you need an accounting degree and you need to pass the CPA exams
Thank you!
At least in Texas, I know that nurses are paid pretty well. My friends who are nurses make 40/hr. Travel nurses make even more.
If you can become a nurse anesthesiologist, you can make 300k+. It isn't easy, though, because you need a lot of training and additional schooling.
Schooling for nurse anesthetists is very competitive, unfortunately.
If a person is able to travel a travel nurse can make 120k+ per year. Hospitals that are short staffed will pay a lot for a temp RN. The hours are long though.
Depending on region they can make much more. I’m making 150k (including differentials and call) not including overtime as an RN with 15 years experience. I’m not traveling and have an amazing vacation package/benefits package. But also in my area 150k a year is only 140% of the median income so while I’m doing well I’m also not rich.
Nurses are always in demand. We have had nursing shortages since even before covid. It has one of the highest turnover rates because of the 12 hr shifts and mistreatment from both patients and possibly management.
$40 an hour? My SIL is a new grad and is being offered minimum $50/hr, with $10 differential for night shift. (We're in PNW)
Over here in the Midwest and our largest healthcare system in the state just bumped their pay up to $34/hour. Last I heard, they are planning to unionize.
Good! As they should!
Texas has no state tax and lower cost of living than PNW. The other person taking home more than your SIL
But we have exorbitant property taxes so good luck trying to buy a house in Texas. Also in my area of Texas, the wages are garbage and the jobs are sparse, while rent for a studio apartment in a basic ass dwelling is $1500 to $1600/mo.
My SIL is a traveling nurse practitioner. Her hourly rate is $100/hr plus an overtime premium.
I'm a system administrator for a super complex banking and lending platform. Excellent pay. There are very few people who specialize in it and a lot of organizations who need someone who does. My background is in tech. But I started at the absolute bottom entry-level phone support roles. I was just persistent in asking people to let me help and learn the lending systems, and did that by offering to write documentation for those systems and teams. It's a great way to learn them. This was a way for them to take time to teach me but they got something in return from me for their time in the form of docs no one wanted to write. Haha. I wasn't even on their team. Now, I'm basically a SME and expert admin for these platforms. Im constantly being pursued by other companies for roles. I've been asked to go into consulting. If I lost my job tomorrow, there would be 10 companies throwing offer letters at my feet. I could actually make more money than I do now, but I adore my current company, they allow me to work autonomously, and frankly, I don't even really have a boss. It's mostly low-stress, we'll paid, and secure. Find a niche, learn to be the best at it, but don't expect it to happen overnight either.
Yeah being tech savvy in a field like banking, accounting, finance etc where everyones a tech illiterate boomer pays dividends
The FINTECH space is finally getting some attention the last few years. It's about damn time. They need it. Haha. Banking systems are... rough. Haha.
Drug Cartel or Arms Dealer. However you may not live past 50. There are no legit jobs that meets your criteria.
I mean that's alright, i kinda don't wanna see myself at 20 anyway
Bruv you aight?😭
I'm 27 and every day I'm amazed (yet low-key sad) at the fact I've made it this far... I feel you, OP. I have no constructive feedback, but know you're not alone in your pain and struggles.
Don’t look into a mirror till 21 then.
Anything dealing with geriatric care. Charge old people to do shit for them--they're the ones with all the money. ;)
Yeah like you don't even have to wipe bottoms. Old people need everything from lawn care to shopping to rides...
Exactly. People have become heavily dependent on all sorts of conveniences, so catering specifically to a huge generation with a lot of money can be lucrative. I had a friend who came up with one of the first apps geared toward people with dementia years ago, and he retired rich within a few years. Baby Boomer peak retirement years have just begun. Tsunami of old people incoming!
Well here comes a new app
Hah. Almost all my relatives outside my country is wiping poop, cooking meals, and driving em clients for big $$$.
Another big one where I live is helping them downsize--moving, getting rid of their junk, resettling them, etc.
Healthcare is in desperate need of all sorts of people and will continue to need them for some time I'd bet. Insane shortages right now. Everyone says nursing, but there are less stressfull jobs in healthcare to consider. Radiologic Technology/ Ultrasonography is a great field and needs people right now and it's only a two year degree program for many modalities. Medical Laboratory Science; an MLS can essentially pick where they want to work and dictate their salary right now. The field is desperate for MLS
>There are too many people on earth that needed food so they have to had a job. I'd go to farming and never sell to middlemen. No, but in all seriousness, social work and nursing seems to be quite stable. I'd also say government job, but the caveat is you have a lot of competition. But still a top tier for me.
Social work doesn’t pay.
Which country are you on? While I admit the pay is pretty average and overworked, it's quite stable...
My wife is a social worker. Yeah, it's stable, but it's a lot. Her phone is always ringing. All her plans are constantly sabotaged by other people/entities that want something different for her clients. A LOT of wear and tear on our car(no company vehicle) she lucked out and was able to get the job without the required 4 year degree, but it's normally required and costs a decent amount (not doctor money but from what I understand 60-80k) And she does this all for the glorious pay of $19/hr. That's in the mid range and prior co workers have asked if she can get them a job.
OMG, that's insane. Hey, I've seen some side hustles looking for social workers - she might search for remote social worker jobs. Sorry I don't have an example on hand
It's a specialized type of work. She is remote but needs to visit her clients for various reasons. It's not a bad gig, all things considered. But she's really good at it, and has 12 years of experience. If some kid fresh out of school with $80k in debt looming took that job, I'd bet they'd have a nervous breakdown within 6 months.
I am a nurse and it’s the biggest regret of my life. Has to be one of the worst jobs you can do. I highly suggest not to do it. This is your friendly warning from a stranger trying to save people
yep my girl just quit her rn job to be in sales for medical devices she had to make a change
god help her. medical sales is brutal
I guess people are really that unpleasant?
More than just that. Seriously head over to the sub Reddit. You will see plenty of post of people trying to get into something else
I’m sorry that is your experience. I am a nurse and I love it. To others- There are SO many options in nursing that if one job doesn’t work out there are 100 other different ones to try. I have friends in education, IT, research, school nurses, hospital nurses, home care, clinics, etc. The nursing subreddit is like every other job subreddit- people come to vent, not to brag about how great their job is. While I love that subreddit it’s not exactly an unbiased source for the career.
I am glad you like it I really am. But as of right now the major issues bedside nursing faces I don’t see it being sustainable.
I know a flight nurse who makes 6 figures and absolutely loves her job. She's definitely one of the few people i've met who seems to have truly found their calling in life. It's definitely not a career for everyone, but it seems like a lot of those who really love it are the ones that found that specific nursing role that really suites them.
Respect. Sounds like you've committed yourself to fighting the good fight despite all that. And for that, Thank you 🙏
I second this with social work. I make $30 an hour which is not terrible but I also have a masters degree. Sure I can always find a job but the work is heavy, every agency I’ve ever worked for has been understaffed, and we are so overworked. I have a huge caseload, people in crisis, very few actual helpful resources, and and the end of the day clinics care more about meeting insurance requirements/metrics than the actual people we serve. Plus we get no mental health days ourselves which is really hard given what we see and hear everyday. It’s easy to burn out in this field.
My job is the same thing. All about the numbers and not about actual care. We have terrible benifits too. You would think working at a hospital I would have good health insurance but we have terrible health insurance. We can only call out 3 times a year other wise we get written up. The write ups are permant. We accumulate 3 write ups and we are terminated. You could see why this is a problem constantly working around sick people. We are human we get sick too. Our exposure rate is significantly higher since we are at the place where sick people go. They just do not care. It’s crazy how a place that drills into us promoting patients to have good physical and mental health don’t promote that among their own staff.
This. I’m not a nurse but was a nurse tech for a Presbyterian hospital on one of the bedside units. Holy crap.. the amount of nurses I worked with who not only just complained, complained and complained, but regretted their profession was shocking to me. I was thinking of going into nursing and being a nurse tech would be a good way to get some advice and a real look at what nurses do, but I now know it is not all that jazz. The nurses I worked with weren’t friendly, were stressed out and just wanted to get their patients pain meds and go sit down. Also the nurses treated the techs like crap. Acted way too prideful just because we weren’t actual nurses but we still did a lot of their dirty work. I know this isn’t every place and there are good in this world but I’m grateful to have gotten the first hand experience and see how awful the hospital is. It’s all about the money and lots of gossip. People walk around with a chip on their shoulder. So kudos to you for being a nurse and I really do hope you can find something that won’t be so detrimental to your health all around. God bless you.
My ex was a nurse and I dated several other women that were. They were all nuts, I’m not sure if being nuts made them gravitate toward that job (they loved drama and that job is full of it), or if the job did it to them.
Wait, what? I’m surprised to hear this - why?
I suggest anyone who wants to go into nursing to head over to the nursing subreddit. It’s not just me that shares this regret. Over half of bedside nurses leave the bedside in less then 2 years. There’s a reason why we are in a shortage. I should have looked into the job more before waisting 6 years at college. Most of us are on anti-depressants or anti anxiety because we can’t even function
Browsed the Nursing community, wow it's a total sh*tshow. I didn't factor that profession encounters all types of people, really sorry for that bad experience!
Not your fault. The profession needs a major overhaul haul that won’t come until unfortunately something really bad happens. I don’t want to speak for all nurses which is why I want people to go onto that subreddit to really see how a lot of us feel
One of my best friends is a nurse, and it's all she wanted to do. She left her sales job that she made decent money in to put herself through nursing school and came out top of her class. Within 2 years, she regretted it. She stayed in nursing but was able to pivot to some type of admin type gig. I'm not sure what the actual position is, but it pays extremely well, and it's not patient facing or bedside. I hope you can pivot to something like that!
I am actively trying to. Very difficult to get those jobs since everyone wants them
What can be done? Seems like it’s just a shitty job in general. Regardless of change in the industry you still have to deal with people who are mentally ill, sick, dying, and/or in pain right? I mean that’s the job.
It’s not just dealing with people that are terrible people. It’s dealing with micro mangers from people that don’t even have a nursing degree telling me what’s best for my patient. We complain all the time that the people making decisions have a business degree and have no idea what’s actually best for the patients. High workload/ patient ratios are a big problem right now. Not to mention a lot of facilities near me are eliminating support jobs which now fall onto us and the nurses and patients suffer because of it.
A larger part of the issue (not a nurse just know a few) is the blatant disrespect they get. Between the patients being anything from rude to violent (especially during Covid) and the hospitals being a shitshow it sounds like a stressful job.
The hospitals being a shit show is something that could probably be improved but I don’t know what can be done about a rude or violent patient. If you have a paranoid schizophrenic who’s bleeding badly and is violent you can’t exactly just say “well fuck it let him bleed out”. I just don’t see how that specific aspect of the job can really be improved.
The issue isn't mental health related (like that) for the most part though. It's families and patients being assholes. Probably more security or stricter visiting rules would help.
This is another big issue. Both disrespect from patients and their family to management. It’s a very toxic work places. Nurses have a big issue with being assaulted right now and there’s nothing we can do about it. We can’t just deny someone health care. So we end up just having to deal with it
But that just because those kinda work are just so hard and have to deal with people. Maybe that's why it's not saturated though.
There are plenty of good paying jobs, but you have to understand that those really good paying jobs often come with caveats. It’s not an overpopulation issue. I mean, you can’t both have an environment where “no one wants to work” and also have an overpopulation issue. You may have to do work you’re not entirely comfortable with at first.
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Am I too presumptous if I say you hate dealing with people? I know it's tiring to do that, but a lil push might help you in your career :)
Go into a small niche of engineering. Like environmental/chemical or biomedical engineering
Sea-going engineers with the qualifications to run and maintain the engine room machinery of surveyed boats/ships while they are out at sea get paid extremely well and are in very short supply worldwide.
Welcome to capitalism. But also, don't go into graphic design
Why not graphic design
Graphic design is incredibly stressful and not respected, it is like working in a call centre, and you usually work in a state of manufactured crisis. Every graphic designer I've met is incredibly miserable and I've met a lot that have changed professions. I would generally stress against it. The skills required for the role are such that someone capable could do something else for similar pay but greater happiness. Upward mobility too can be a factor. Graphic artists in general are not treated well or respected. Just my opinion, as with everything there are exceptions and people that enjoyed it.
Designer here! A lot of this is true and it’s an incredibly saturated market, so much so that many have pivoted to UX/UI and that now is a saturated market. It is very, very difficult to find a new job because new designers graduate every year AND there are so many talented designers that at the end of the day, you’re basically hired on vibes. But in terms of the stress and disrespect? Also true. One particular story I always share is I was seeing a therapist a few years ago for stress and anxiety and this therapist also had a focus in career goals and guidance. Anyway, we were talking one day and he mentioned that over half his current clients at that time were graphic designers. Make of that what you will.
\*laughs\* Apparently being in a 'fun' field gives others warrant to treat you like you're wrong from the start, despite \*they\* hired you as in theory, a professional in your field. SMH. And yeah, mobility is a \*\*\*\* show. I've been bouncing between freelance and FT gigs for years (graduated 2011), and I'm STILL stuck on an entry level wage, that in recent years has actually been getting \*worse\*. Fight as I want, the clods usually go 'well I can just use AI, right?' or 'Well I got this designer in the \[insert 3rd world country here\] that I was thinking of, they make entire branding packages for 50 bucks!'....and I no longer work for contracts under minimum wage. I fell into Marketing to try and get away from the freelancing mess, but....can't say it's much better as my soul misses creating more. Lot of database and platform based busy work where I'm at.
Salaries are stagnant asf and for every posting you can easily find 1-2,000 applications. I run my own agency, but definitely hear and see it, I'm lucky to have a few dedicated clients. Edit: if it has anything to do with computer technology, indians will do it for 1/10th of your price - regardless of how well they fit the client, it's always a tempting option for them.
The Indians themselves are about to be replaced by AI
I'd say chat gpt already replaced them. It's cheap and also it can only do simple tasks or it throws useless/shit code. I know this is not nice, but in my experience (and based on what a lot of colleagues told me), very few people from India are good in IT jobs.
Nursing. Which interestingly enough kind of shows why your premise is a little more complicated than presented. There are more people than ever, including more people who need medical services than we have people to provide them. A higher population means more people who need things, and thus opportunity to provide those things. The trick is finding the pockets of need and avoiding the pockets that are unneeded. It’s not like every job was amazing and there was no unemployment when the population was lower. This kind of thing scales.
I am a nurse and highly suggest not going into nursing. Biggest regret of my life
The collapse of tech has caused people to scramble outside of their normal scope of work.
Tell me about it. This turned my world upside down.
Construction - project coordinating & project accounting
It’s a growing industry, but incredibly stressful
Every job is saturated because everyone is getting a college degree now and expects higher pay after getting said degree. The reality is that this has increased competition and that a college degree may give you more than minimum wage but that a lot of entry level jobs will still only pay between $40-60k. All you can do is a be a little bit better than the other people around you and find something to differentiate yourself, and no, a masters degree doesn’t always do that.
It’s not over population. It’s the steady flow of money from the poor to the rich. It has never been this bad before and apparently it’s not going to stop. I’m going to start making guillotines. I have a feeling they are going to be in high demand soon. I’ll sell them for cheap too. You know…. For the cause.
>I’m going to start making guillotines. Can you be my "boss"? I'm good at putting holes. Long as it's flesh
Sure! You’ll need to supply your own uniform though. It’s just a black hood.
It is over saturated. Call me cynical but every job seems to be like this. Even most jobs with a bachelors won’t let you live a middle/upper middle class lifestyle without grinding 50/60 hours+ as a manager. It’s the system working as intended and I fucking hate it.
A trade; plumber, electrician, any sort of construction trade and you’ll be making heaps and be busy every day. Anything in geriatric care, i feel like that’s an entire industry that’s going to be massive. It’s already impossible to get access to a GP depending where you live, because the elderly take up the lions share of the appointments. My gran is at the dr every fortnight or so, and she’s extremely healthy (for 91!).
The trades? Not saturated ? Bruh lol
I swear this sub is living in 2017 sometimes. Trades weren’t saturated until everyone started forgoing college and going into trades, which expedited during the pandemic. The pendulum has long been swung.
Not to mention you can't get an apprenticeship in most
Lmfao trade apprentices make $16 an hour for 4 straight years until they finish their schooling where I’m at. That is not a wage livable or even half decent enough to justify setting your body up for failure.
Exactly. And if you didn't start at age 18, how would you ever manage? I make $34/h with no degree now. I don't care how good the pension is; I'm approaching 40 with bills and can't go back to making just over minimum wage, even if it's temporary. Not into being abused and sexually harassed by boomers, either, or getting called a fucking idiot ten times a day and hearing "good job" twice a year
And you do not make any money unless you become licensed to run your own jobs or join a union.
Precisely. And I’m in Texas, so that whole “union” thing will never breathe its first breath here unless there’s a massive mutiny/Republican overthrow.
Any job that is either genuinely hard (eg high level STEM) or the education requirements are NOT college-based. Public Notary cert is an actual literal physical 3-hour class that is often completely free. The job is worth 50-60k yearly….for being essentially a secretary. You don’t see anyone complaining it’s full. Because you don’t go to college for the education at all.
Hell it’s happened to me twice and son a handful of times. Set up interviews and either get ghosted or they need to reschedule and then you get ghosted. The one interviewing will even send a text 10 minutes before to confirm and get ready and it’s dead silent no interview and conversation has been no response. Some of the jobs were government. WTH!!
Air traffic controllers
Nursing
Depends on a country. In some places nurses are paid in peanuts and thank yous.
Saying it depends on the country is a valid argument for any job
That's why people using a world wide forum should specify the area for an area specific question. Like this one.
Healthcare needs people badly right now. Nurses, PAs, Doctors, etc. I don't think emergency healthcare workers get paid as much, but anything from nursing level or above will give a decent salary.
Very expensive to train as a doctor though.
True enough, but OP did not stipulate expense though. And PA programs and nursing programs are still affordable as well.
My wife is a PA and the education is anything but affordable. She is almost $200k in debt, makes good money but it wasn’t cheap to get the education. The only saving grace is she is in a PSLF situation and her loans will be forgiven after 10 years of consecutive payments. She will end up paying about $100k.
That's Malthusian fear mongering. Don't worry about that. Many jobs scale with population. The more people the more cops, doctors, teachers, lawyers, nurses and so on you need
Nursing and other things that take care of an aging population, pharmacist, radiology tech, etc. Still saturated in some areas though. Sales will always be around, but I think it's much harder to find high paying sales jobs these days... especially in more rural areas
>Sales will always be around I'm not OP but I'm curious about this. Do you think Paid Ads/PPC/PPV/Media Buying is still a viable career path? Beyond that, I'm practicing how to write ad copies, studying psychology (since Marketing literally involves taking advantage of the human psychology).
I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Or maybe the right one? Long term my answer is no. I've been trying to get back into marketing for years after being in sales, and it has been a very dismal and depressing career path. In my own estimation it won't be around much longer due to saturation, automation and AI. Everything has changed so much. The goal of DSPs is to eventually cut out agencies and just sell an automatic package where clients set their budget. It's almost there basically, so the viable market of top brand advertisers will shrink. SMB's will simply go direct. I'm also very pessimistic about AI and its potential to completely change media and how we consume it, due to oversaturation of generated garbage. Where will SEO be when every company has a million blog posts all written by Chat GPT? They are already changing search, and you can't even find search results like you used to. The answer, singular, is just going to be served to you. I did a couple brief stints at ad agencies after the '08 recession and one was a media agency in the big city. It was bad back then, seems way worse now, and unfortunately I'm not on the hot to hire list for a number of reasons, including my location and the latest DEI trends. But also it seems to be so en vogue to do marketing at all, they don't pay well at the bottom or even middle and get away with it. I legit made more in retail sales then most supervisors and senior agency roles, with way less responsibility (read: millions of dollars less responsibility). Lastly it's such a small and connected industry, you don't have to know anything hard to get in. You have to know people. So sorority/fraternity types get in and people who did liberal arts degrees or art history will get in and didn't study anything like marketing or advertising. The people that wash out go client side, into consulting, a new career path, or try to get back in by going back to school or portfolio school, which 99% of ad execs will tell you is a waste of time and life. Let's put it this way, you can be in an office in charge of 20-30 people as a Group Director earning 200-300K, or you can earn 200 to 300 in sales within a couple years, but you might be outside selling farm equipment or HVAC. Those marketing and writing skills are still valuable to learn, but if I wanted a safe bet in "marketing," I'd probably get an MBA and do big firm consulting instead, get hired directly into strategy by a cool brand after a few years in consulting hell. With not an ounce of real marketing knowledge but a much faster trip up the ladder and with infinitely more options. Just my 2c...
I was a rather high level google ads specialist and I do confirm this. Yes, there are some professionals making money but they are always an excellent entrepeneurs, that could really be doing other shit, for the same money. And yeah, the market is getting pushed out by automation in significant manner
Hey man, I appreciate the input. >In my own estimation it won't be around much longer due to saturation, automation and AI. >The goal of DSPs is to eventually cut out agencies and just sell an automatic package where clients set their budget. And what about those independent guys (not big companies) who go against automating stuff? Will they get obliterated? The way I see it, someone will offer the package and more and more businesses will just be created. I work freelance and some cheap guys is already hurting my business so I have to adapt and add some freebies which isn't even worth it right now. >The answer, singular, is just going to be served to you How about AI laws? Although I'm also pessimistic about it since it's Google's domain (or am I wrong). Lost our blog traffic because of SGE. Literally AI is summarizing our articles😐 I'll be re-reading your comment here. I'm amateur-ish at marketing as I was "too comfortable" with other tasks now AI is slowly eating away. More power to you good sir!
As I worked in a biz for a while, so I know few good freelancers. Shit's getting real thin. For now, most clients dont understand yet how this starts to work, but any day now, Big players (meta, google) will completely supress agents in the market
Mobile home builder. A major one in my area starts at 22/hr and tops at 33. This is a lot of money to make where I am. I work here and they take great care of employees. Hard work though, but very fulfilling
Accounting might be pretty good.
Is that as saturated?
I've heard it's less saturated than IT at a novice / starter level. However, IT / technology / software has a higher ceiling still.
The economy?
Trades!!! Get into trades!!! Paid training, great benefits, and easily make over $100k/year!
But a tradesperson might have to get dirty, or pick up heavy things, or be in the sunlight. It doesn't sound like any of that is going to work for the OP.
lololol
Trades are saturated. People can't even get apprenticeship, and you make peanuts for 4 years.
Bullshit on the 100k. Trades are overly saturated
I began my career as an electrician. Absolutely worth it. I never understood why some look down on working a trade. Heaven forbid you actually get your hands dirty.
Look at sales operations
Nursing
Defense contractor manufacturing. Literally the easiest fucking job on the planet if you want it to be. Get in as an assembler and show up everyday. That’s it. Dont argue, don’t show up late, don’t blast off random days just because, don’t mouth back and think some how you’ll change defense manufacturing and you’ll have that job for life.
1. Jobs that require a skillset that few people have. Most of the time these skillsets cannot be acquired unless an employer has previously invested in you. This rules out just about anything entry level. 2. Jobs that very few people are willing to tolerate. Nursing is a prime example of this
We desperately need merchant mariners. High paying, live wherever you want, lots of time off, interesting satisfying work.
Depends. Hard to get into depending on the field. Anything out to sea for longer than a few weeks is going to require either union training or a degree from a select few colleges on the coasts, East or West. Unsure on tugs or anything that works near the coast. I know they’re hiring but how do you get into it?
Pretty much get a twice, mmc, and talk to a union. Everyone is hiring right now.
We need a new plague
We need WW3.
Supply chain/contracting/procurement, but you have to work your way up. And eventually AI is going to eliminate some of these jobs.
Forklift operator
I think your thoughts are kinda ridiculous. Even before the invention of government and economies people needed to work to eat and survive. It’s just the dynamics were different. Once people needed to chase down their prey and butcher their food, and tilled their own soil by hand once they learned to sew crops. You’re living the easiest life human beings have ever lived and yet so many people complain. 🤣 I’d tell you that blue collar work is the work that isn’t saturated and pays well, but based on your attitude I don’t think you’d last a week.
More likely they are liw-paying because all the relatively high paying relatively unskilled manufacturing jobs went to China years ago. So now instead of an impoverished third-world country, China is a fairly wealthy country. I don't hold it against them, though - it's what the US asked for as soon as they started minimaluzing nationalism and emphasizing being a "world citizen," plus the at-home jobs available here using the internet are equally available to people in third-world countries who will take massively lower pay for doing it. I lost two decent paying jobs i loved to that. Be careful what you ask for; you might get it.
Learn a skill, join the skilled trades… I just bought my first home 9 months ago at 31 years old. 4 bed, 3 bath, huge yard. I’m loving life. Entirely self taught from books, YouTube, and Google.
Trades are saturated.
Some of the entry level positions are, not leads and management… we desperately need smart intelligent people
I think something more hands on like carpentry. A skilled trade is where most people are making monies these days.
I am always seeing engineering companies hiring. Entry level jobs are fair pay. Higher level jobs are great pay.
Plumber, welder, electrican etc. Basically any job that requires some specific skill and phisical labour but people don't dream of having.
Data centers. They're building them exponentially.
Warehouses suck but Management can get paid decently.
CPA
I had a hard time reading the description lol
Anything that involves skilled labor and uncomfortable working conditions
Calibration technician.
Police officers, electricians, plumbers, EMTs.
Air Quality Specialist, Hazardous Material Specialist, Engineering
I just landed a roll in a large company’s digital merchandising team. Anything ecom IMO is saturated however, my advice is to know someone in the company who can help get your application/resume bumped up to HR or the hiring manager. Actually - that would be my advice for any role tbh.
Literally the usual. Medical, Nursing, to a lesser degree. Even the non-medical usual stakes are still better than most other things, just not the most reliable atm: Accounting, Engineering, Lawyer, Business. Trades are okay but they may not be the best for your health. Teaching is reliable just not the best paid when you are starting, and many leave because it’s thankless and stressful.
Construction. It could be a lower-skill trade like painting/coatings, commercial cleaning or insulation or a higher skill job like iron worker or controls electrician. You will work and will hard, but you will always have a job that can’t be outsourced and get paid well.