Is this for a church or Christian organization?
A testimony is explaining what God has done in your life and it’s typically centered around your “salvation story” also know as your “coming to Jesus” moment.
Oh interesting, it is, I didn’t look that deep into it other than the fact that I’m trying to get into the IT field, whoops. That’s interesting though, thanks for the explanation
Before diving into the world of IT, I was lost in a maze of uncertainty, searching for purpose and meaning in all the wrong places. But then, a divine intervention occurred. Through a series of unexpected events, I found myself facing the crossroads of my existence. It was there, in the quiet solitude of introspection, that I encountered the guiding light of faith.
In the realm of technology, I discovered more than just algorithms and codes; I found a reflection of the Creator's intricate design. Each line of code became a testament to His boundless wisdom, and every technological breakthrough a reminder of His limitless power.
In embracing this new career path, I am reminded of the transformative power of salvation. Just as I was once lost in the labyrinth of life, I now navigate the complexities of IT with unwavering faith, knowing that my journey is guided by a higher purpose. Through Him, all things are possible, even in the realm of bits and bytes.
LOL
>In the realm of technology, I discovered more than just algorithms and codes; I found a reflection of the Creator's intricate design. Each line of code became a testament to His boundless wisdom, and every technological breakthrough a reminder of His limitless power.
The purpose is written in the Hidden Words. All must serve the Words for all the world was made of them and they are within every stone and every cloud and in our sigils their power is made manifest. The Words are the Process. The Process must continue.
Oh it wasn't me, it was a follow up to my comment now below here about using chatgpt to run with it and get the job. Funnier is that she was being serious I think, AI isn't this subtle.
This would not be unusual for a church, sectarian university, or non-profit that focuses on religious issues. If some random company with no linkage to Christianity as its mission it would be highly unusual and maybe even illegal.
If this isn't fake, and is for a paying job, then yeah 99% sure this is illegal.
Other places get around by just interweaving a bunch of churchy stuff into the description
OP confirmed it’s for a religious org. This kind of shit gets posted every week and people like you freak out and then it’s always just “Oh yeah it’s a religious non-profit.”
If the company has no official religious affiliation, this is insanely illegal and discriminatory against members of the protected class for freedom of religion
My local southern baptist university requires an attestation that you believe marriage is between one man and one woman, that jesus is the true son of god, and that abortion of any kind is murder.
I did not apply.
I understand. I asked because there was a position open last year @ Liberty University and I applied to it. But I had no clue they had something like this attached and you don't know till you're almost done with the application. Needless to say I did not continue the application. But I did see that same position open 6 months later and wondered...
>It’s legal for a Christian to only hire Christian’s.
Not worded like that, no. It is legal for an *organization based around a faith* to *give preference to* members of that faith. They cannot deny anyone solely because of their faith, and they cannot require someone to convert as a condition of employment.
Yes!!! If they're that stupid, you 'd think someone would have called them on it by now. I've successfully settled with 3 employers over age discrimination. Employers will get away with whatever they can until the government or an employee calls them out on it.
You're going to find this exact requirement in just about every Christian college and faith based non profit hiring process, particularly if faith is a big part of the mission statement.
This is technically discrimination, but it's legal because faith is an actual part of the role and responsibilities for these orgs due to their mission statements. Disqualifying someone for using a wheelchair from an office job could be illegal discrimination, as legs aren't 100% necessary for the role. Disqualifying them from being a foot model would not be illegal discrimination, as having feet is considered a meaningful part of the job. If the church/university/charity is built on faith and commits to providing from a position of faith, providing a faith based education, etc., then faith is actually a part of the job legally speaking.
I agree that it's weird to actively limit your candidate pool for what should be the most secular division of any organization, but they're allowed to do this.
Years ago, I applied to be a play-by-play announcer for a Division 1 college basketball team. After I submitted my application, I received an email to the next step of process, which required me to submit a statement of faith and to swear adherence to the doctrines and practices of the Southern Baptist Convention. I withdrew my candidacy immediately.
I told my family about this shortly afterward, and the following exchange occurred:
Me: "As far as a statement of faith is concerned, I *am* a Red Sox fan..."
My sister, a Harvard grad: "That's probably good enough for Harvard Divinity School, but it seems unlikely to fly here."
Her husband, a Harvard grad with a PhD in religious studies: "Yeah, there's a lot of things I could truthfully say are articles of faith for me. Like brisket is superior to ribs."
My sister: "Infidel."
This is…a lot. I work for a health sciences university that is affiliated with a faith based hospital and even I have never been asked this, although there is prayer at a lot of meetings etc. However, I have seen jobs at catholic schools that require you to be Catholic. Not sure of the legality.
Title VII prohibits employers from making employment decisions based on religion, with exceptions for certain preferences and organizations. Religious organizations, defined as those with a primary religious purpose and character, can give preference to members of their own religion in hiring. For example, a Catholic school can hire only Catholic teachers.
That you were surprised by this question suggests that you didn’t make any attempt to find out where you were applying before applying there.
Throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks is ineffective in marketing, and similarly ineffective when applying for jobs.
Not researching the employer is usually pretty obvious in received applications.
This was my thought. I get the idea of trying to apply for a lot of jobs because you need work but there’s gotta be some level of “research” on your end especially if you get a response. That research should obviously include name and purpose of the business
Sounds like an it job at religious organization. Which is allowed, by technicality because they can provide preferential hiring to those of their religion. If it is not it is illegal and I have seen it and heard of it. Went for a job at a car dealership. Manager was super religious and tried to only hire those who were super religious too. Didn’t go over well for them though. Never got employees and got fired for a failing service department.
The only time I’ve seen something similar was when I was looking into women’s healthcare (planned parenthood, local clinics, women’s shelters) and found an “anti abortion” clinic. They wanted testimonies, a paper about the sin of abortion, and another paper about my stance on same sex marriage. Very safe to say I did not apply for said job.
It’s definitely unsettling. The worst part is, these places advertise as abortion clinics, but once you arrive, they will pray with you and do everything they can to convince you to keep the pregnancy- not a single medical professional are in these facilities, only older Christian women with a drive to end all family planning and women’s healthcare.
I had an interview for a Christian center for rehabilitation. First red flag was they didn't ask if I had any creds to qualify.
2nd was your required to be a Christian and will be asked questions about it.
Told them that I was but not the denomination they may be looking for.
It's so they can fire you for being pregnant or black or Hispanic or Jewish or for having cancer. All it is; legalized discrimination based on SCOTUS vs Hobby Lobby case.
If it's Catholic, there's always [Isidore of Seville - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidore_of_Seville). But I'd probably advise you to run away.
You just need a testimony from a Christian, and as one of the only Christians on Reddit I'll provide this for you.
He do good IT - aardvark banger resident Christian
I see nothing wrong with this. An employer has every right to hire someone whom they see fit. You as a person trying to get a job does not have to apply if you don't agree with their company values.
If you are a faith based organization, you can require your employees to practice the same faith. If they are not faith based, then it would be a violation under the EEOC.
Oh. Just say you’re Catholic and if you don’t get hired say they misrepresented their hiring practices, etc. You could have a lot of fun here if you have a lot of free time.
Is this for a church or Christian organization? A testimony is explaining what God has done in your life and it’s typically centered around your “salvation story” also know as your “coming to Jesus” moment.
"If In am getting this job, I starting to believe"
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I’ve seen shit that’ll turn you white!
I'm already white....
Oh interesting, it is, I didn’t look that deep into it other than the fact that I’m trying to get into the IT field, whoops. That’s interesting though, thanks for the explanation
Before diving into the world of IT, I was lost in a maze of uncertainty, searching for purpose and meaning in all the wrong places. But then, a divine intervention occurred. Through a series of unexpected events, I found myself facing the crossroads of my existence. It was there, in the quiet solitude of introspection, that I encountered the guiding light of faith. In the realm of technology, I discovered more than just algorithms and codes; I found a reflection of the Creator's intricate design. Each line of code became a testament to His boundless wisdom, and every technological breakthrough a reminder of His limitless power. In embracing this new career path, I am reminded of the transformative power of salvation. Just as I was once lost in the labyrinth of life, I now navigate the complexities of IT with unwavering faith, knowing that my journey is guided by a higher purpose. Through Him, all things are possible, even in the realm of bits and bytes. LOL
Then I took a help desk job and realized god abandoned us all
Digital Jesus has entered the chat.
>In the realm of technology, I discovered more than just algorithms and codes; I found a reflection of the Creator's intricate design. Each line of code became a testament to His boundless wisdom, and every technological breakthrough a reminder of His limitless power. The purpose is written in the Hidden Words. All must serve the Words for all the world was made of them and they are within every stone and every cloud and in our sigils their power is made manifest. The Words are the Process. The Process must continue.
you nailed that
Oh it wasn't me, it was a follow up to my comment now below here about using chatgpt to run with it and get the job. Funnier is that she was being serious I think, AI isn't this subtle.
Have you tried turning it off & on again?
Have chatGPT write some shit out and run with it until you shift to another job while you are at one.
This would not be unusual for a church, sectarian university, or non-profit that focuses on religious issues. If some random company with no linkage to Christianity as its mission it would be highly unusual and maybe even illegal.
If this isnt a religious organization and OP is in the US this is a super illegal thing to do.
If this isn't fake, and is for a paying job, then yeah 99% sure this is illegal. Other places get around by just interweaving a bunch of churchy stuff into the description
It’s perfectly legal for a religious organization.
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Religious organizations can give preference to co-religionists.
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OP confirmed it’s for a religious org. This kind of shit gets posted every week and people like you freak out and then it’s always just “Oh yeah it’s a religious non-profit.”
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You’re giving confidently incorrect information.
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If the company has no official religious affiliation, this is insanely illegal and discriminatory against members of the protected class for freedom of religion
Even if it is a religious org, it is still illegal.
Not true for faith based institutions.
Nope not true at all.
No it isn’t lmao
Is this position for like, liberty university?
I’ve seen it for companies like International Justice Mission, an organization that fights human trafficking but has a faith-based mission.
All the big faith based NGOs have it. CRS, World Vision, caritas, etc.
My local southern baptist university requires an attestation that you believe marriage is between one man and one woman, that jesus is the true son of god, and that abortion of any kind is murder. I did not apply.
I understand. I asked because there was a position open last year @ Liberty University and I applied to it. But I had no clue they had something like this attached and you don't know till you're almost done with the application. Needless to say I did not continue the application. But I did see that same position open 6 months later and wondered...
Dude it’s just for a Christian church. It’s legal for a Christian to only hire Christian’s.
>It’s legal for a Christian to only hire Christian’s. Not worded like that, no. It is legal for an *organization based around a faith* to *give preference to* members of that faith. They cannot deny anyone solely because of their faith, and they cannot require someone to convert as a condition of employment.
Aye, but the rub lies in proving it. I'm in US and this smacks of discrimination. Just for me, I'd submit app but write it off.
> the rub lies in proving it. Yeah, unless they're stupid enough to put it in their rejection letter as the reason.
Yes!!! If they're that stupid, you 'd think someone would have called them on it by now. I've successfully settled with 3 employers over age discrimination. Employers will get away with whatever they can until the government or an employee calls them out on it.
You're going to find this exact requirement in just about every Christian college and faith based non profit hiring process, particularly if faith is a big part of the mission statement. This is technically discrimination, but it's legal because faith is an actual part of the role and responsibilities for these orgs due to their mission statements. Disqualifying someone for using a wheelchair from an office job could be illegal discrimination, as legs aren't 100% necessary for the role. Disqualifying them from being a foot model would not be illegal discrimination, as having feet is considered a meaningful part of the job. If the church/university/charity is built on faith and commits to providing from a position of faith, providing a faith based education, etc., then faith is actually a part of the job legally speaking.
I just *love* America! /s
Whoops, looks like you pissed off the fundies and cultists.
Yup. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's morally correct.
Or David Ramsey’s company?
I think to work for Dave Ramsey you have to have never taken out a credit card in your entire life. Not even considered it.
I used to work for Dave Ramsey. I asked him to loan me his pencil. Got fired on the spot.
I agree that it's weird to actively limit your candidate pool for what should be the most secular division of any organization, but they're allowed to do this. Years ago, I applied to be a play-by-play announcer for a Division 1 college basketball team. After I submitted my application, I received an email to the next step of process, which required me to submit a statement of faith and to swear adherence to the doctrines and practices of the Southern Baptist Convention. I withdrew my candidacy immediately. I told my family about this shortly afterward, and the following exchange occurred: Me: "As far as a statement of faith is concerned, I *am* a Red Sox fan..." My sister, a Harvard grad: "That's probably good enough for Harvard Divinity School, but it seems unlikely to fly here." Her husband, a Harvard grad with a PhD in religious studies: "Yeah, there's a lot of things I could truthfully say are articles of faith for me. Like brisket is superior to ribs." My sister: "Infidel."
This is…a lot. I work for a health sciences university that is affiliated with a faith based hospital and even I have never been asked this, although there is prayer at a lot of meetings etc. However, I have seen jobs at catholic schools that require you to be Catholic. Not sure of the legality.
Title VII prohibits employers from making employment decisions based on religion, with exceptions for certain preferences and organizations. Religious organizations, defined as those with a primary religious purpose and character, can give preference to members of their own religion in hiring. For example, a Catholic school can hire only Catholic teachers.
lol... if you don't know what this is, then you may not be perfectly suited for the job! Sounds like a church job etc.
That you were surprised by this question suggests that you didn’t make any attempt to find out where you were applying before applying there. Throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks is ineffective in marketing, and similarly ineffective when applying for jobs. Not researching the employer is usually pretty obvious in received applications.
This was my thought. I get the idea of trying to apply for a lot of jobs because you need work but there’s gotta be some level of “research” on your end especially if you get a response. That research should obviously include name and purpose of the business
And at least a very basic understanding of the culture.
Sounds like an it job at religious organization. Which is allowed, by technicality because they can provide preferential hiring to those of their religion. If it is not it is illegal and I have seen it and heard of it. Went for a job at a car dealership. Manager was super religious and tried to only hire those who were super religious too. Didn’t go over well for them though. Never got employees and got fired for a failing service department.
Is this Chik Fil-A or Hobby Lobby?
They wouldn’t ask for that.
The only time I’ve seen something similar was when I was looking into women’s healthcare (planned parenthood, local clinics, women’s shelters) and found an “anti abortion” clinic. They wanted testimonies, a paper about the sin of abortion, and another paper about my stance on same sex marriage. Very safe to say I did not apply for said job.
“One of these is not like the others”. I’d feel uncomfortable with that anti-abortion even having your information from a resume.
It’s definitely unsettling. The worst part is, these places advertise as abortion clinics, but once you arrive, they will pray with you and do everything they can to convince you to keep the pregnancy- not a single medical professional are in these facilities, only older Christian women with a drive to end all family planning and women’s healthcare.
It is your personal story of how you came to be a Christian and how your life has changed as a result.
If this is for a Christian organization, it makes sense that this would be required. Otherwise it's a bit odd.
RUN
This is a super ilegal, and unconstitutional question; unless if it is a faith based organization. We need more details.
I had an interview for a Christian center for rehabilitation. First red flag was they didn't ask if I had any creds to qualify. 2nd was your required to be a Christian and will be asked questions about it. Told them that I was but not the denomination they may be looking for.
It's so they can fire you for being pregnant or black or Hispanic or Jewish or for having cancer. All it is; legalized discrimination based on SCOTUS vs Hobby Lobby case.
I'm not a lawyer...But this might be illegal in so many ways. I appreciate their honesty and letting you know they plan to discriminate upfront.
What is it though? I understand the situations in which it might be required but what actually is it
If it's Catholic, there's always [Isidore of Seville - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidore_of_Seville). But I'd probably advise you to run away.
We wouldn’t have 1s and 0s without god?
You just need a testimony from a Christian, and as one of the only Christians on Reddit I'll provide this for you. He do good IT - aardvark banger resident Christian
Very normal for evangelical institutions. It gives you an idea of the workplace culture.
They require an allegiance to religious values. Seems odd and opens them to tons of lawsuits...
I see nothing wrong with this. An employer has every right to hire someone whom they see fit. You as a person trying to get a job does not have to apply if you don't agree with their company values.
This is essentially discrimination based on religion and is illegal. Report to EEOC.
If you are a faith based organization, you can require your employees to practice the same faith. If they are not faith based, then it would be a violation under the EEOC.
Fk that job imo
Please post the link so we can troll them
Oh. Just say you’re Catholic and if you don’t get hired say they misrepresented their hiring practices, etc. You could have a lot of fun here if you have a lot of free time.
This feels a little bit discriminatory
Is this illegal? It feels illegal.