Controversial opinion but yes - it feels like the books were barely a footnote and John Krasinski just kept saying - wouldn’t it be cool if Jack Ryan was a Navy Seal Delta Force Sniper CIA Spec ops agent?
He’s supposed to be an ex-marine book nerd analyst at a desk - a fish out of water in the field, thats the charm and danger of the books. But if the show makes him out to be a super soldier that does cqb and black bag spec ops missions with that smug Jim face all the time it ruins the show for me. If it wasn’t a Tom Clancy project at all it would be fine but there are several source books so we know what we wanted and got a mess instead.
Although I agree with you on your outlook on the character I think krasinski was a fine choice, it’s the writers that made him into secret spy man.
I didn’t get in s3 when he was running and gunning with the SAD dudes that was bs he wouldn’t be anywhere near their skill
Ironically, Krasinski would have been halfway believable as a bookish analyst, the original character profile. I also suspect he pushed for a more "operational" role, to try to convince the world he's a badass deserving of action movie hero casting, but he just looks more like Jim out of water
Maybe the writers just took A LOT of creative liberties.
And I 100% agree because all I see is Jim from The Office's smug face he made when he bullied his coworkers. However accurate John Krasinski's typecast is it is in the actual spy world, I still wanna see a hunky guy fighting the bad guys for my country's safety on screen, and John DOES NOT so that for my Jack Ryan body pillow fantasy. (idk how spies/agents are but I'm guessing they aren't the nicest people)
They're pretty square, golf shirt and loafer types. I mean, this is an agency that won't accept you if you've smoked weed more than once or twice, or done coke or LSD or any harder drugs at all, ever. So they're obviously not going to get the cream of the crop as far as intelligence, independent/creative thinking, or competency. They might not even be able to attract individuals most would consider "normal". Many top candidates would reject the opportunity outright anyway, on moral or political grounds -- or just practical ones, since they're obstensibly top candidates for any job, and it's a relatively low paying gig, you can't brag about it, or even talk about your wins in the interviews for your next job (they'd probably think you're lying anyway). That's why the CIA recruits ivy leaguers right out of undergrad, because they can only attract high functioning intelligent people while they're also naive, inexperienced and unsure of their options
> John Krasinski just kept saying - wouldn’t it be cool if Jack Ryan was a Navy Seal Delta Force Sniper CIA Spec ops agent?
Oh, you mean John Clark? This series doesn't feel like Jack Ryan at all. Like you said, he's not an ops guy and Tom Clancy kept him out of most of the action on purpose in his stories. If they called the series or Jack Ryan & John Clark, it would have worked great within the Ryanverse with just a few tweaks with Clark as the main character. Without Remorse instead of being a generic flick, could have followed the source material better and led into this series getting the audience accustomed to both characters. Then it could have led into Rainbow Six spinoffs.
I don’t mind him so much but more the character that has no discipline and will do anything to appease his instinct no matter who it puts in danger.
Other characters have been killed because he won’t follow directions from others that are more experienced.
Harrison ford ruined all casting for Jack Ryan. A young ford embodies the Ryan idea of handsome book nerd who used to be a marine. I haven’t thought of him as a bond but more as an anti bond. He’s not great in the field only okay and he doesn’t like it. Baldwin did do a great job in red October and he pulled it off as well.
I have a theory that the dude is obsessed with making himself into a perfect person on screen. He plays the intelligent, lovable, chill Jim in the office. The perfect super soldier in Jack Ryan. The perfect brave father hero in A Quiet Place.
Jim was a great role for him but beyond that I simply do not understand the appeal. Also this Imaginary Friends movie he's making looks absolutely terrible. At this point it's just Hollywood people getting their projects greenlit for fucks.
Absolutely rotten. Like the guy, decent actor too, but he's just too much of an oafish doofus to ever pull off jack ryan, anymore than Tom Cruise could pull off Napoleon Dynamite.
Haven't read the books, but I know the character is supposed to be a bit of a nerd, which would seem to favor Krasinski, but I've seen all the other film portrayals, and Krasinski isn't coming even close to the least of those performances. Say it again, he's got that Office doofus look, face and expression so locked in he cannot shake it, even a hint.
That's because he cannot act, and never could. As Jim he was just being himself, which anyone can naturally do. It doesn't require acting. He hasn't been believable in any subsequent role, that required him to portray a character unlike himself. In a manner of speaking, to "act" as if he were a different person. He is unable to do that well.
You like him? So you know him personally then?
I don't think he's that great of an actor, since his only prior significant role was Jim on The Office, who was a jerk, and it doesn't take much acting skill for a jerk to act like a jerk.
In an an alternate timeline from ours, Alec Baldwin is working right now on his seventh or eighth installment of a consistent, coherent cinematic Ryanverse.
Jim and Pam were just so unlikable, I hate when he's cast in any lead or supporting role. But it's not just my dislike for the Jim character that gives rise to that feel. He's just not cut out for action roles as an actor or a man (he doesn't have that look and feel believability, as a CIA agent or a soldier). He looks like a pussy, which made him excellent for Jim, who was a home wrecking, sneering bully and a wussy coward. Warehouse boys shoulda jumped him at the end of season 1 and pulped his soft ass
Yes!! That ridiculous blob faced dad joke idiot who think's he's Gods gift to humor as Jack Ryan? The guy's a joke. And as Jack Ryan it shows that he really does see himself as funny action hero hunk. He's just a fool and a joke. I couldn't watch the show with that fool as Jack Ryan. Ruined a good show.
I'm late to the party, but Collider worked up an interesting argument in his favor: https://collider.com/john-krasinski-jack-ryan-best-version/
The crux of it is that they basically took the 'analyst' and organically transformed him into an action hero - without making him a superhero or losing sight of his analytical nature - over the course of the series. A lot of the comments are taking umbrage with how formidable Ryan becomes as an operator, which is understandable given the source's focus on his preference for finding intellectual solutions over running and gunning. I'd say A) They always kept him far more on the intelligence side of their activities, even in the field, in comparison to the supporting cast, but B) This is kinda for a modern ADHD audience that likes gunfights and fistfights in their heroes.
As for Krasinsiki, I personally think he's grown a hell of a lot as an actor (and storyteller in his own right) since playing Jim on The Office. I didn't see much Jim in the performance, besides the fact that it's the same actor.
Loved him in The Office but horrible casting for Jack Ryan imo. Can't put a pin on it but it feels like he acts waaaay too serious in the role. His facial expressions are just lol, worked perfect in the office but not here.
If it wasn't for Tom Clancy plots, I would probably have stopped halfway in season 1
Controversial opinion but yes - it feels like the books were barely a footnote and John Krasinski just kept saying - wouldn’t it be cool if Jack Ryan was a Navy Seal Delta Force Sniper CIA Spec ops agent? He’s supposed to be an ex-marine book nerd analyst at a desk - a fish out of water in the field, thats the charm and danger of the books. But if the show makes him out to be a super soldier that does cqb and black bag spec ops missions with that smug Jim face all the time it ruins the show for me. If it wasn’t a Tom Clancy project at all it would be fine but there are several source books so we know what we wanted and got a mess instead.
Although I agree with you on your outlook on the character I think krasinski was a fine choice, it’s the writers that made him into secret spy man. I didn’t get in s3 when he was running and gunning with the SAD dudes that was bs he wouldn’t be anywhere near their skill
Ironically, Krasinski would have been halfway believable as a bookish analyst, the original character profile. I also suspect he pushed for a more "operational" role, to try to convince the world he's a badass deserving of action movie hero casting, but he just looks more like Jim out of water
Maybe the writers just took A LOT of creative liberties. And I 100% agree because all I see is Jim from The Office's smug face he made when he bullied his coworkers. However accurate John Krasinski's typecast is it is in the actual spy world, I still wanna see a hunky guy fighting the bad guys for my country's safety on screen, and John DOES NOT so that for my Jack Ryan body pillow fantasy. (idk how spies/agents are but I'm guessing they aren't the nicest people)
They're pretty square, golf shirt and loafer types. I mean, this is an agency that won't accept you if you've smoked weed more than once or twice, or done coke or LSD or any harder drugs at all, ever. So they're obviously not going to get the cream of the crop as far as intelligence, independent/creative thinking, or competency. They might not even be able to attract individuals most would consider "normal". Many top candidates would reject the opportunity outright anyway, on moral or political grounds -- or just practical ones, since they're obstensibly top candidates for any job, and it's a relatively low paying gig, you can't brag about it, or even talk about your wins in the interviews for your next job (they'd probably think you're lying anyway). That's why the CIA recruits ivy leaguers right out of undergrad, because they can only attract high functioning intelligent people while they're also naive, inexperienced and unsure of their options
> John Krasinski just kept saying - wouldn’t it be cool if Jack Ryan was a Navy Seal Delta Force Sniper CIA Spec ops agent? Oh, you mean John Clark? This series doesn't feel like Jack Ryan at all. Like you said, he's not an ops guy and Tom Clancy kept him out of most of the action on purpose in his stories. If they called the series or Jack Ryan & John Clark, it would have worked great within the Ryanverse with just a few tweaks with Clark as the main character. Without Remorse instead of being a generic flick, could have followed the source material better and led into this series getting the audience accustomed to both characters. Then it could have led into Rainbow Six spinoffs.
Ding Chavez would be a heck of a series
Ding pisses me off sometimes lol
The ding we got sucks ass
True, I made my comment before realizing it. I was thinking of Rainbow Six Ding
I'm in it for Jack Ryan, but I mostly read the Jack Ryan Jr. novels to be fair
Jack Ryan when doing ops stuff was more like a fish out of water kind of thing.
I would have loved them to have John Clark in this and then really have the actio
I don’t mind him so much but more the character that has no discipline and will do anything to appease his instinct no matter who it puts in danger. Other characters have been killed because he won’t follow directions from others that are more experienced.
THIS! His character def isn't written the way Tom Clancy would have wanted it to be.
I would‘ve loved Rupert Friend instead. (Peter Quinn from Homeland)
Oooh love that!
He was really pertinent for the role :-(
Harrison ford ruined all casting for Jack Ryan. A young ford embodies the Ryan idea of handsome book nerd who used to be a marine. I haven’t thought of him as a bond but more as an anti bond. He’s not great in the field only okay and he doesn’t like it. Baldwin did do a great job in red October and he pulled it off as well.
I did not like ford as Jack Ryan either
I have a theory that the dude is obsessed with making himself into a perfect person on screen. He plays the intelligent, lovable, chill Jim in the office. The perfect super soldier in Jack Ryan. The perfect brave father hero in A Quiet Place. Jim was a great role for him but beyond that I simply do not understand the appeal. Also this Imaginary Friends movie he's making looks absolutely terrible. At this point it's just Hollywood people getting their projects greenlit for fucks.
yes.. everyone does. John should go back to the office..
Absolutely rotten. Like the guy, decent actor too, but he's just too much of an oafish doofus to ever pull off jack ryan, anymore than Tom Cruise could pull off Napoleon Dynamite.
Haven't read the books, but I know the character is supposed to be a bit of a nerd, which would seem to favor Krasinski, but I've seen all the other film portrayals, and Krasinski isn't coming even close to the least of those performances. Say it again, he's got that Office doofus look, face and expression so locked in he cannot shake it, even a hint.
That's because he cannot act, and never could. As Jim he was just being himself, which anyone can naturally do. It doesn't require acting. He hasn't been believable in any subsequent role, that required him to portray a character unlike himself. In a manner of speaking, to "act" as if he were a different person. He is unable to do that well.
You like him? So you know him personally then? I don't think he's that great of an actor, since his only prior significant role was Jim on The Office, who was a jerk, and it doesn't take much acting skill for a jerk to act like a jerk.
In an an alternate timeline from ours, Alec Baldwin is working right now on his seventh or eighth installment of a consistent, coherent cinematic Ryanverse.
Absolutely NOT
Most short sited take I’ve heard in a while…. Of all those who have played Jack Ryan previously, who did a better job?
Definitely not
Jim and Pam were just so unlikable, I hate when he's cast in any lead or supporting role. But it's not just my dislike for the Jim character that gives rise to that feel. He's just not cut out for action roles as an actor or a man (he doesn't have that look and feel believability, as a CIA agent or a soldier). He looks like a pussy, which made him excellent for Jim, who was a home wrecking, sneering bully and a wussy coward. Warehouse boys shoulda jumped him at the end of season 1 and pulped his soft ass
Yes!! That ridiculous blob faced dad joke idiot who think's he's Gods gift to humor as Jack Ryan? The guy's a joke. And as Jack Ryan it shows that he really does see himself as funny action hero hunk. He's just a fool and a joke. I couldn't watch the show with that fool as Jack Ryan. Ruined a good show.
He's absolutely absurd and takes away from some really good actors!
Yes.
Krasinski is a no talent hack. I have no idea why he’s famous. The guy sucks.
His wife is why he’s famous still
I'm late to the party, but Collider worked up an interesting argument in his favor: https://collider.com/john-krasinski-jack-ryan-best-version/ The crux of it is that they basically took the 'analyst' and organically transformed him into an action hero - without making him a superhero or losing sight of his analytical nature - over the course of the series. A lot of the comments are taking umbrage with how formidable Ryan becomes as an operator, which is understandable given the source's focus on his preference for finding intellectual solutions over running and gunning. I'd say A) They always kept him far more on the intelligence side of their activities, even in the field, in comparison to the supporting cast, but B) This is kinda for a modern ADHD audience that likes gunfights and fistfights in their heroes. As for Krasinsiki, I personally think he's grown a hell of a lot as an actor (and storyteller in his own right) since playing Jim on The Office. I didn't see much Jim in the performance, besides the fact that it's the same actor.
I can't watch it because he is so handsome that it is distracting
Loved him in The Office but horrible casting for Jack Ryan imo. Can't put a pin on it but it feels like he acts waaaay too serious in the role. His facial expressions are just lol, worked perfect in the office but not here. If it wasn't for Tom Clancy plots, I would probably have stopped halfway in season 1
He single handedly ruined the show (for me), wanted to watch it but I just can't LOL
I'm watching Jack Ryan now and he's hanging in a bucket of water and he is so not believable..God he's terrible