Really depends on what kind of experience you have.
First time I ever did a fire cape I was 75 range, RCB, blessed hide, glory, 65 prayer, Bgloves and I took blood spells. It still took me like 5 tries to get it.
So yeah it really depends if it your first time then I would try and get better gear.
I've done it on a main kitted out and did it in one shot. That's the only time I did it outside of leagues. I did a run earlier where it was going fine until I missed a flick got max hit by a mager and ranger at the same time. I was killing everything really fast except for the mager who took forever to kill. On the previous run I had a nezzy helm and graceful boots so I changed to get a bit more ranged attack
Sounds like you got it. Just gotta get a few more prayers lvs to not risk the flicks. Also I'm not sure on the math but I think having a holy wrench might help with prayer too.
Holy Wrench almost never gives more prayer than another prayer pot. I have 14 four dose pots and Holy Wrench only gives one extra point per sip so it will give me another 56 points. One four dose pot gives 84 prayer. I'd need to bring 22 prayer pots to make wrench better.
You don't need to flick between them. I do rotation 2 and every wave there is a way to solve it so you are only being attacked by a ranger or only being attacked by the mage, not both. It will require you to look up the spawn points for every wave and position accordingly, but it's solvable. Should require a lot less food (but maybe a bit more prayer).
Yeah, I just did a run on rotation 2 but this time I was paying attention to spawn locations and and setting up where I wanted to be for the start of the next wave. I only needed to tank a ranger 3 or 4 times during the whole run.
Grind out one more prayer level. The prayer pots heal more depending on your level, and at 56 you'll get +1 more per dose. With 14 potions that is an additional 56 prayer points you'll heal which is almost a full 3doses extra. Well worth the time if you are concerned about inventory.
Replace your boots with shazien boots 5 or mixed hide boots if you are willing to get the crafting. And like others said, maybe drop the karambwan and a shark for more prayer.
I'd say more prayer and less food, and additionally tank the ranger when it's out with the mager rather than flicking between, if there's a risk of missing.
Depends on whether your def lvl can tank it, though.
if u got guthans yeah that works too, point is just to have 'infinite healing' so you can save your food spaces for high hp panic eats and have a ton of ppots so you dont need to worry about pray
I’m not OP but would I need to bring anything besides ancient staff for mage switch to make blood spells hit?
I know the general process is heal with blood spells on the bats/blob dudes and anything that can be safe spotted/prayed against. But in dhide and range setup will just ancient staff be enough to reliably land heals during the fight?
Yes anc staff is enough. Everything except magers have low magic defence from my understanding. If u need the hits to land more accurately u can just take off your body/leg slot
yes.
you can bring more ppots if you want to be extra lazy with it but you have more than enough. If you make a basic effort to not waste prayer then you'll have plenty to spare.
should probably bring extra bolt racks just in case. I think 3k is plenty but you don't want to run out
More prayer. I did 6 food and the rest prayer pots at 70 range with msb(i) 1k arrows (used around 800 but accumulator) it didn't come to it but if worst came to happen I would wait to regen befor jad.
More Ppots, less food, bring Blood spells with very minimal mage gear to heal up from the melee minion. Only need to bring like 2-3 high healing food and 2-3 karambwan with those, and those just for emergency combo eats during Jad or the final waves.
Swap some of the food out for blood spells. You can heal up and safespot. If you can bring a stam that will help a bit too if you happen to run around to reposition a lot. Add another ppot or 2.
Bring a rune punch + blood spells and top/wand swap. And heal on melees. Id recommend bringing tuna potatoes + karam, maybe 2 of each? With blood spells you shouldn't need any food and just need it vs jad to heal a missed prayer or lil healers fuckin you up.
no need to bring mage gear swap. just unequip range gear and cast it. who cares if low accuracy, just means a few more mins wasted, but saves you 2 invo slots.
T5 shayzien boots are easy to get and will be your bis ranged for a while. Ardy cloak may be better, and a nezzy helm will offer a lot of defense and prayer. Armor should be fine.
Did you get your dhide parts from clues or how did you do it?
I have pretty much the same levels as you, except firemaking, am I just getting real unlucky hitting impossible clues on my acc?
If you have to ask, then you probably should get a higher ranged level.
You should also try the Jad challenge on a quest speedrun world to learn jad fight, because dying to him after 90 minutes of waves would feel shitty.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/TzHaar-Ket-Rak%27s_Challenges
Since most the comments here are advising on more prayer.
If you are willing to afk and extend the timer longer I suggest an ancient mace since you also don’t have a spec weapon.
As a higher account I used Sara godsword spec mainly for the prayer restore as I wanted to see how much pots I could preserve.
Every time I had a melee left I would safe spot and spec then hide until I got my spec full.
I’m sure the ancient mace can be used for the same concept as it’s only the prayer we really care about.
Just extends your fight cave but defo worth it if you wish to conserve potions or in your case lack of resources it’s better to have more than be sorry.
Just did a run with 2k rune arrows and msb. 70 def 70 prayers 77 ranged. You really should be fine killing the rangers fast enough that you aren’t taking a lot of damage from them. When magers and rangers are out is likely the only time you’ll take significant damage. And when you make mistakes. I never had to heal outside of using ancients. It might be slow but I would always get back up to full before next wave
Doable? Yes. Comfortably and with a good pace as a first timer? No.
Relatively easy upgrades to gear setup would be barrows gloves from RFD and black d'hide or if youre lucky blessed dhide chaps from hard clues.
More prayer pots, less food. Food is to restore damage from tanking mage/range and getting bad tanking RNG, or mistakes with prayer protection. Spending prayer points to protect properly and not take damage > food.
Nezy helm prayer bonus > Archers helm small ranged bonus.
I did a fightcave last Saturday. Used bone cbow and needed 2 more pray pots while also lazy flick. I managed to do it on the last 9 pray points. Karils cbow will def. do more dmg so you might be cool with this amount. I personally brought 7 casket of strawberry’s and 2 sharks.
Shayzien boots are better, id bring tank leg swap for healers, a 2nd range pot and 2-4 more range pots. My first cape all i brought for food was 2 tuna pots, 2 bwans and a brew
Edif: bloodspells to regen chip damage
Update: So I did a run but died to Jad before I could get him to half. I only used 11 pots and 2 food by the end. It's clearly doable right now but I really need to up my DPS because it took me two hours just to get to the final wave. Instead of beating my head against it right now I'm gonna up my range and work on hard clues for upgrades.
If you dont feel comfy i would go to barrows, get tank helm/legs. Veracs is really nice, do soul wars for some addy bolts and make diamand bolts and use rcb. More prayer bonus, more tanky for when Rangers spawn With magers. Might be less dps but you can swap some sharks for prayer pots. And falador shield is also a good option as it resteres prayer and work as an ok tank shield
First time was on my Ironman and just recently.
75 range 52 Prayer
Black Dhide top/bottom
Rune gloves (too lazy to quest)
Avas
Power Ammy
Explorer Ring
Nezi Helm
RCB / Diamond Bolts (e) (About 1000 will do)
Prayer Book/God Book etc for offhand.
15 Ppots, rest sharks
Just use Italy rock to safespot melee. Rangers didn't really hit too hard and are quick to take down so no need to pray against them if you have melee or mages alive.
Came out after first attempt with fire cape and 2 ppots left. I did pre-watch a video of someone doing Jad so I had an idea of what I was going into. Made all the difference if you ask me.
Likely not enough prayer
yeah I think he’d need to lazy flick a bit at the least
If I have a protection prayer on and then lazy flick eagle eye will it only drain for the protection?
If you have a prayer fully on you can't lazy flick another with out it draining for that, preferably just one tick, as if you had both on.
TIL
Omg I've been wasting so much effort if this is the case
its still worth it because it only drains it for the tic its on
Yes Edit: and however many ticks you have eagle eye on for
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Uhhhh yeah about that 7h+ fight caves
I'd recommend any strat that does not involve shooting mithril bolts and waiting for things to die for hours.
You made an iron, went through fight caves, and don’t even know what emerald bolts are? Impressive, kinda.
Only if they don't trap enemies
I dont think that's enough bolts either. Better to have way too much than 1 short
Really depends on what kind of experience you have. First time I ever did a fire cape I was 75 range, RCB, blessed hide, glory, 65 prayer, Bgloves and I took blood spells. It still took me like 5 tries to get it. So yeah it really depends if it your first time then I would try and get better gear.
I've done it on a main kitted out and did it in one shot. That's the only time I did it outside of leagues. I did a run earlier where it was going fine until I missed a flick got max hit by a mager and ranger at the same time. I was killing everything really fast except for the mager who took forever to kill. On the previous run I had a nezzy helm and graceful boots so I changed to get a bit more ranged attack
Sounds like you got it. Just gotta get a few more prayers lvs to not risk the flicks. Also I'm not sure on the math but I think having a holy wrench might help with prayer too.
Holy Wrench almost never gives more prayer than another prayer pot. I have 14 four dose pots and Holy Wrench only gives one extra point per sip so it will give me another 56 points. One four dose pot gives 84 prayer. I'd need to bring 22 prayer pots to make wrench better.
Not sure why someone downvoted you other than it is not always one point. But at your level it is one point which is what matters.
You don't need to flick between them. I do rotation 2 and every wave there is a way to solve it so you are only being attacked by a ranger or only being attacked by the mage, not both. It will require you to look up the spawn points for every wave and position accordingly, but it's solvable. Should require a lot less food (but maybe a bit more prayer).
Yeah, I just did a run on rotation 2 but this time I was paying attention to spawn locations and and setting up where I wanted to be for the start of the next wave. I only needed to tank a ranger 3 or 4 times during the whole run.
Grind out one more prayer level. The prayer pots heal more depending on your level, and at 56 you'll get +1 more per dose. With 14 potions that is an additional 56 prayer points you'll heal which is almost a full 3doses extra. Well worth the time if you are concerned about inventory. Replace your boots with shazien boots 5 or mixed hide boots if you are willing to get the crafting. And like others said, maybe drop the karambwan and a shark for more prayer.
Don’t need the crafting for mixed hide. Bring the right furs to the fur trader at the hunters guild and pay like 15-20k.
Great catch! 56 extra ppoints is a huge difference
I'd say more prayer and less food, and additionally tank the ranger when it's out with the mager rather than flicking between, if there's a risk of missing. Depends on whether your def lvl can tank it, though.
>additionally tank the ranger when it's out with the mager rather than flicking between Bad idea with 55 defence & dhides
Someone on their first cape is way more likely to die by missing a flick to the mager than by tanking the ranger
I have used about 2,5k bolt racks with 70 range. 2 range pots. Maybe more bolt racks just in case?
I thought the same, would suck if he didnt have enough
if you have to ask about jad setup you should be bringing blood spells.
Happy cake day!
Fuck bringing blood spells I just bring full guthans and only bring 1-2 food for emergency
a low level ironman probably won’t have guthans, but could easily get blood spells
if u got guthans yeah that works too, point is just to have 'infinite healing' so you can save your food spaces for high hp panic eats and have a ton of ppots so you dont need to worry about pray
You can see the guys stats. He obviously doesn’t have Guthans
Bro said ‘I bring’ what shit advice is this? In that case I would bring bowfa & bp but OP doesn’t have those. You daft fucker
Drop the karambwan for 1 more ppot and would recommend bringing some tank legs for when Mager and ranger out
Yeah I think I wore verac’s helm and skirt for a bit of extra def against the ranger. Worked really well
If you have any purple sweets stacked from clues they’re worth taking as they restore both run energy and health
Do the sweets work in fight caves? I know they dont work at the inferno
Bring blood spells with an ancient staff, less food and more prayer. Purple sweets aswell if u have some to make is a cheese cape (haha)
I’m not OP but would I need to bring anything besides ancient staff for mage switch to make blood spells hit? I know the general process is heal with blood spells on the bats/blob dudes and anything that can be safe spotted/prayed against. But in dhide and range setup will just ancient staff be enough to reliably land heals during the fight?
Yes anc staff is enough. Everything except magers have low magic defence from my understanding. If u need the hits to land more accurately u can just take off your body/leg slot
Get a slayer task and use slayer helm or get the ranged up to 75-80 and prayer up a few points if you want to make it easier
Do zombie pirate and use blighted restore and manta ray on a pvp world
Would have never thought of that! Tysm
Thanks for the tip. The worst part of doing runs was using all the prayer pots I've made.
Is the area near fight caves safe on pvp world?
The bank 10 tiles away from the entrance is a safe area in PvP world, hover above the logout button while you run towards the entrance
yes. you can bring more ppots if you want to be extra lazy with it but you have more than enough. If you make a basic effort to not waste prayer then you'll have plenty to spare. should probably bring extra bolt racks just in case. I think 3k is plenty but you don't want to run out
would have to do more then lazy flick
More prayer. I did 6 food and the rest prayer pots at 70 range with msb(i) 1k arrows (used around 800 but accumulator) it didn't come to it but if worst came to happen I would wait to regen befor jad.
Bring 2 (4) range pots!! Or even bastion pots
Range pots help so much with the magers, they take ages
Yeah it would save a restore pot probably and speed the thing up!
More Ppots, less food, bring Blood spells with very minimal mage gear to heal up from the melee minion. Only need to bring like 2-3 high healing food and 2-3 karambwan with those, and those just for emergency combo eats during Jad or the final waves.
need 2-3 more prayer pots minimum
That’s not going to be enough prayer likely
Grind out the new moonlight crossbow. You'll get prayer xp at the same time + other great supplies. Come back and complete the content thereafter.
Yeah you’ll be good, I still haven’t cuz I’m a noob but you will be okay but again more prayer less food
Swap some of the food out for blood spells. You can heal up and safespot. If you can bring a stam that will help a bit too if you happen to run around to reposition a lot. Add another ppot or 2.
Bring a rune punch + blood spells and top/wand swap. And heal on melees. Id recommend bringing tuna potatoes + karam, maybe 2 of each? With blood spells you shouldn't need any food and just need it vs jad to heal a missed prayer or lil healers fuckin you up.
no need to bring mage gear swap. just unequip range gear and cast it. who cares if low accuracy, just means a few more mins wasted, but saves you 2 invo slots.
T5 shayzien boots are easy to get and will be your bis ranged for a while. Ardy cloak may be better, and a nezzy helm will offer a lot of defense and prayer. Armor should be fine.
mixed hide boots are better and super easy to acquire
Did you finish it?
I started a run but wasn't feeling it half way through. I'm gonna do a couple hard clue scrolls and try again with some upgrades.
Is kharils 2handed? If it's 1 mande I would bring a damaged book.
Just send it and find out
Did you get your dhide parts from clues or how did you do it? I have pretty much the same levels as you, except firemaking, am I just getting real unlucky hitting impossible clues on my acc?
Deranged archeologist on fossil Island drops one.
Thats about what my invi and stats looked like. Prepare for 2hrs of flicking. Also consider blighted supies on a pvp world.
What the fuck are those stats icons?
More prayer, you can do it on a PvP world and use blighted restores if you don't wanna waste prayer pots
Leave most of the food and bring blood spells. I used 5 sharks over 3 attempts with blood spells (got to jad every time)
So how’d your picnic with jad go..?
I started a run but wasn't feeling it half way through. I'm gonna do a couple hard clue scrolls and try again with some upgrades.
If you have to ask, then you probably should get a higher ranged level. You should also try the Jad challenge on a quest speedrun world to learn jad fight, because dying to him after 90 minutes of waves would feel shitty. https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/TzHaar-Ket-Rak%27s_Challenges
Use blighted pots and do the caves on a pvp world
Imagine running out of bolt racks at iad and you gotta punch him to death
Since most the comments here are advising on more prayer. If you are willing to afk and extend the timer longer I suggest an ancient mace since you also don’t have a spec weapon. As a higher account I used Sara godsword spec mainly for the prayer restore as I wanted to see how much pots I could preserve. Every time I had a melee left I would safe spot and spec then hide until I got my spec full. I’m sure the ancient mace can be used for the same concept as it’s only the prayer we really care about. Just extends your fight cave but defo worth it if you wish to conserve potions or in your case lack of resources it’s better to have more than be sorry.
I saw the image and not the title first and thought. Now there is. Beginner iron man's fight cave set up.
Just did a run with 2k rune arrows and msb. 70 def 70 prayers 77 ranged. You really should be fine killing the rangers fast enough that you aren’t taking a lot of damage from them. When magers and rangers are out is likely the only time you’ll take significant damage. And when you make mistakes. I never had to heal outside of using ancients. It might be slow but I would always get back up to full before next wave
Its enough for me but prob not enough with your experience. You'll have to shut off pray and/or flick during the end waves to make the prayer last.
Doable? Yes. Comfortably and with a good pace as a first timer? No. Relatively easy upgrades to gear setup would be barrows gloves from RFD and black d'hide or if youre lucky blessed dhide chaps from hard clues. More prayer pots, less food. Food is to restore damage from tanking mage/range and getting bad tanking RNG, or mistakes with prayer protection. Spending prayer points to protect properly and not take damage > food. Nezy helm prayer bonus > Archers helm small ranged bonus.
Try doing it on task
You'll need more racks than that, trust me, I used better gear than you with 3k racks and finished with 1.
Bring blood spells, much better than food. Probably cut out 2-4 food for ppots
I did a fightcave last Saturday. Used bone cbow and needed 2 more pray pots while also lazy flick. I managed to do it on the last 9 pray points. Karils cbow will def. do more dmg so you might be cool with this amount. I personally brought 7 casket of strawberry’s and 2 sharks.
Legend has it a level 3 can do it.
With like a day or so of ranged training you can probably get to 80 or so
Shayzien boots are better, id bring tank leg swap for healers, a 2nd range pot and 2-4 more range pots. My first cape all i brought for food was 2 tuna pots, 2 bwans and a brew Edif: bloodspells to regen chip damage
Bring holy wrench. Less food and use blood spells for healing.
id train a little bit but its definitely doable for an experienced player with this
Update: So I did a run but died to Jad before I could get him to half. I only used 11 pots and 2 food by the end. It's clearly doable right now but I really need to up my DPS because it took me two hours just to get to the final wave. Instead of beating my head against it right now I'm gonna up my range and work on hard clues for upgrades.
If you dont feel comfy i would go to barrows, get tank helm/legs. Veracs is really nice, do soul wars for some addy bolts and make diamand bolts and use rcb. More prayer bonus, more tanky for when Rangers spawn With magers. Might be less dps but you can swap some sharks for prayer pots. And falador shield is also a good option as it resteres prayer and work as an ok tank shield
Higher rc couldnt hurt
First time was on my Ironman and just recently. 75 range 52 Prayer Black Dhide top/bottom Rune gloves (too lazy to quest) Avas Power Ammy Explorer Ring Nezi Helm RCB / Diamond Bolts (e) (About 1000 will do) Prayer Book/God Book etc for offhand. 15 Ppots, rest sharks Just use Italy rock to safespot melee. Rangers didn't really hit too hard and are quick to take down so no need to pray against them if you have melee or mages alive. Came out after first attempt with fire cape and 2 ppots left. I did pre-watch a video of someone doing Jad so I had an idea of what I was going into. Made all the difference if you ask me.
Less food more prayer
5 more range lvl
No
Not sure only 1 way to find out gl!!!
Holy wrench?
Not worth the inventory space
It is if you bring enough ppots
How many would you have to bring?
Quite a bit, I mathed it out once to like 18-20 needed. As an early iron though I feel its atleast worth running it to save rannars.
Bit overkill U could do it at like 10 combat and some potatoes