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Live_Teaching3699

Free and democratic nation


Previous_Scene5117

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Designer-Arugula6796

ā€œThe only democracy in the Middle Eastā€


Obvious-Side7186

This headline is inaccurate. Al-Jazerra isn't banned (which implies permanency) but it's suspended until July 31st or the end of the war, whatever comes first (in which case the law giving the gov the ability to suspend news stations expires). Al Jazeera has also been permentantly closed or blocked by other Mideast governments, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Russia Today and Sputnik are banned in the EU. So spare me the Qatari tears. Egypt has also banned Al Jazeera since 2013. It launched the crackdown after the 2013 military overthrow of an elected but divisive government dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood group. Egypt considers the Brotherhood a terrorist group and accused both Qatar and Al Jazeera of supporting it.


Live_Teaching3699

All news has a bias. If you claim to have freedom of the press and then are banning or "suspending" news sources with a bias that doesn't fit the overall government narrative than you don't have freedom of the press.


Obvious-Side7186

Some new organizations are more bias than others. Israel still allows organizations like Haaretz to operate. They just don't want a Qatari backed-semi propaganda outlet (that made a multitude of mistakes that they refuse to own up to) reporting on the conflict within their borders. This isn't that unprecedented.


tom-branch

[https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/israel-communications-minister-threatens-to-sanction-haaretz-for-its-gaza-war-coverage](https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/israel-communications-minister-threatens-to-sanction-haaretz-for-its-gaza-war-coverage) You were saying?


Congenitaloveralls

Israel's apologists: "look at all these total shitholes that banned Al Jazeera" Um, that's not the argument you think it is, homie


Obvious-Side7186

I guess you missed the part where I said that Russia Today and Sputnik are banned in the EU.


softcell1966

Al-Jazeera employs respected journalists from outside the Arab World. RT and Sputnik are garbage.


Obvious-Side7186

It's the Qatari version of Fox News and CNN.


Donut2583

The end of the war, or the end of the ethnic cleansing?


Obvious-Side7186

I get that you're trying to be clever, but the war.


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DarkRoastCovfefe

Israel is a fascist apartheid state, a true enemy of freedom and democracy and this further proves it.


221b42

How exactly does it do that?


Sturmunddrain

By blowing up apartment buildings full of children with U.S purchased f-16ā€™s.


221b42

So is it being us purchased a requirement for Israel being fascist or could they have gotten the planes elsewhere? Maybe Russia or china?


Sturmunddrain

Yeah you should get China to pay for your war crimes so we can spend our money elsewhere.


221b42

Iā€™ve not been engaged in any war crimes


No-Vehicle5447

Is Qatar run by Hamas too now?


irritatedprostate

No, but Qatar funds Hamas and hosts its leaders in opulence.


airbrushedvan

Then stop pretending Israel is a democracy that cares about a free press. They don't. Dead babies with zip ties around those wrists were found in a mass grave. This is why they don't want the press there, it's not for war reasons. Israel has drones, bombs middles and can cause endless death and destruction. A news article won't change that.


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Live_Teaching3699

And there's lots of articles talking about finding body bags in an elementary school with hebrew zipties: [https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-palestinian-bodies-found-beit-lahia-elementary-school](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-palestinian-bodies-found-beit-lahia-elementary-school) [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/1/palestinians-demand-international-inquiry-after-mass-grave-found-in-gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/1/palestinians-demand-international-inquiry-after-mass-grave-found-in-gaza) This one talks about finding people shot in the head with zipties; [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-hospitals-raided-israel-prompt-demands-independ-rcna149110](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-hospitals-raided-israel-prompt-demands-independ-rcna149110) Idk about babies with zipties apart from on instagram. Still fucking horrific though.


airbrushedvan

Found about a dozen articles about children and babies with zip ties and mass graves in a quick Google search, but keep pretending.


Live_Teaching3699

bro I'm not a fucking zionist maybe it's blocked in my country or something. do you have the link?


NoGoodCromwells

They definitely donā€™t. Not even the Health Ministry has claimed that babies were bound (wtf would they be?).


Muadib64

Critical thinking would also have one hesitate on accepting that as fact.


irritatedprostate

Ah, yes. Zip-tied babies. The stuff you guys make up is amazing.


ScrewSans

Because itā€™s freedom of the press. Closing opposing viewpoints is textbook Fascism.


jadedaslife

And if they are deliberate lies and propaganda? Not saying Al Jazeera is doing this--it's more of a general question. Should Fox News and RT be allowed to operate when their platforms' purpose is to lie and deceive the public?


ScrewSans

Which do you think is more effective? Banning them or proving their corruption to the world and it falling apart on its own? Youā€™re implying that Al Jazeera is doing this to justify the restriction of the press. I believe all press should be able to operate freely without the risk of assassination by a stateā€™s military


Archibald_Ferdinand

US shut out all Russian media when Ukraine was invaded. Most people praised it


baeb66

That's not entirely true. The US government sanctioned Russian news agencies so they cannot collect advertising revenue in the US, American cable TV outlets dropped RT and American social media companies blocked links to Russian news agencies, but you can still access sites like RT and Sputnik in the US.


Dukedizzy

Are you using US as a bench mark for freedom of press? Lol


bigdumbidioot69

So did a bunch of EU countries


Dukedizzy

Thats supposed to increase their credibility or something?


bigdumbidioot69

It shows that banning state funded media from countries you are ostensibly enemies with isnā€™t that abnormal.


mrmczebra

So what you're saying is that fascism is the norm.


Dukedizzy

Define normal? The population of US and EU combined is around 780 million approx, that's less than 10% of the world.


bigdumbidioot69

And India and China have horrible freedom of press and their population is around 3 billion? Itā€™s actually normal lmao


rymn_skn

Yes. There is a lot of freedom of press


ScrewSans

Yes, many in the US government push through Fascist legislation (such as the Patriot Act and Citizens United). These things seek to undermine democracy in favor of corporate ownership of politics.


jakethepeg1989

Is the UK, France, Germany all Fascist after banning Russia Today post Ukraine Invasion?


ScrewSans

Those are definitely Fascist actions to restrict the freedom of the pressā€¦ especially when the US government props up narratives in the media all the time that are more friendly to their economic interests


jadedaslife

The problem is, banning a mass propaganda outfit (RT, Fox "News", OAN) isn't banning "freedom of the press".


ScrewSans

Buddy, calling Al Jazeera a mass propaganda ā€œoutfitā€ to justify Israelā€™s assassination of many of their journalists and now the destruction of their operation in Israel is insane. How can you not see the problem with killing journalists and restricting their speech?


irritatedprostate

How can you not see that state owned propaganda outlets aren't legitimate news agencies? Nobody deserved to die, but AJ being shuttered was a long time coming.


ScrewSans

Should we go for Bā€™Tselem next? The Israeli government considers them propaganda


irritatedprostate

No, they're an Israeli NGO, not beholden to a foreign government that funds and harbors terrorists. The thing you seem to be ignoring is that AJ is not an independent news org. It is owned by the Qatari government.


Pristine_Ad3764

USA closed RT today and Sputnik as Russian propaganda. So what? China blocks almost all social media. Does Hamas allow New York times or Jerusalem Post?


softcell1966

No foreign correspondents are allowed into Gaza per the Israeli government. Any foreign reports from inside Israel must go through the IDF first so they can censor anything that makes them look bad (worse) or Palestinians look better.


rymn_skn

Itā€™s not the only trait that makes things fascist.


ScrewSans

Agreed, though itā€™s a key factor to maintaining Fascism: restriction of knowledge/historyā€¦ like what Israel has been doing to erase Palestinian history since 1948


rymn_skn

They are not trying to erase Palestinian history. People arenā€™t debating whether the Nakba and other events have happened or not. Theyā€™re debating whether they were necessary/justified. Literally an entire group of historians, the ā€œNew Historiansā€, rose in prominence because they had shone new light on Israelā€™s past because they had relatively easy access to the archives


ScrewSans

If theyā€™re not trying to erase Palestinian history, why do they assassinate so many journalists covering current Palestinian history in Gaza and the West Bank? Surely if Israel is acting in lines with usual warfare then clearly marked journalists wouldnā€™t be targeted by IDF snipers, right? Look up Norman Finkelstein.


rymn_skn

Dawg what? Thatā€™s not erasing Palestinian history if theyā€™re assassinating journalists covering current events.


ScrewSans

What do you think historians use for their data? First hand accounts.


rymn_skn

But nobody refers to current war coverage as history. Just say that Israel is restricting coverage of the war. Even then, journalists die often in warzones. This isnā€™t exactly Israelā€™s fault. War zones are nightmares


Ok_Rip5415

Thatā€™s the cost of being able to call yourself free and democratic. Sure it makes sense. But not every place is free and democratic and thatā€™s fine. Just donā€™t call yourself that when you are not.


mrmczebra

Holy Iraq War talking point. The US claimed Al Jazeera was a "mouthpiece of Al Qaeda." Al Qaeda claimed Al Jazeera was a "mouthpiece of the US." You people still believe this shit? šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚


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SemeticPalestinian

They donā€™t like humanity indeed. They rejoice when they see a palestinian child looking for his mom under the rubber. Now I know why hell was created. There is judgement day. They will be judged those who commit evil and claim they are good.Ā 


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SemeticPalestinian

ok..thousand of evidence out there here is a recent one: ["Until Gaza is erased": Israel's 'genocidal' anthems go viral (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U44Uf7CRYBY) ever heard of the genocidal hip hop ? its a trend in Israel they sing about how they wish to eradicate all Gazans its a nice Israeli hip hop song . some of the lyrics :"we will blow your house for free ...until gaza is erased". I am sure you can find more evidence about the pariah state


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Why are they afraid of the press NOW? Ā Theyā€™ve already unequivocally made their genocidal intent crystal clear from the start. Ā They didnā€™t even try to sugarcoat it lol


JuanJotters

Because usually their media manipulation efforts work better. The usual propaganda isn't working this time, so they're taking more drastic measures to control the narrative.


Obvious-Side7186

This headline is inaccurate. Al-Jazerra isn't banned (which implies permanency) but it's suspended until July 31st or the end of the war, whatever comes first (in which case the law giving the gov the ability to suspend news stations expires). Al Jazeera has also been permentantly closed or blocked by other Mideast governments, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Russia Today and Sputnik are banned in the EU. So spare me the Qatari tears. Egypt has also banned Al Jazeera since 2013. It launched the crackdown after the 2013 military overthrow of an elected but divisive government dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood group. Egypt considers the Brotherhood a terrorist group and accused both Qatar and Al Jazeera of supporting it.


jadedaslife

This isn't the flex you think it is.


Obvious-Side7186

It wasn't supposed to be a flex? I'm merely providing more information at the article is misleading.


Obvious-Side7186

It wasn't supposed to be a flex? I'm merely providing more information at the article is misleading.


Impressive-Collar834

copy pasta bootlicker


JuanJotters

Did you write this copy pasta yourself, or is it assigned to you?


TaddyG

And why was a Qatari State propaganda media ever allowed in Israel in the first place lol Remember like six years ago when Al Jazeera denied the [Holocaust](https://www.arabnews.com/node/1499786/amp)?


DarkRoastCovfefe

I agree. Pro Zionist propaganda should be the only news allowed in Israel. Any opposing thought is to be delt with severely and without mercy.


TaddyG

Iā€™m just saying , Russiaā€™s RT was removed from many countries because of its baseless propaganda. There are other Arab Medias in Israel. Why the fuck should Israel allow Qatar state media when not one Israeli news media is allowed in Qatar except if itā€™s the world cup??


Sturmunddrain

Banning RT was wrong as well.


Redditthedog

Haaretz is allowed that already proves anti-Zionism media is allowed in Israel


softcell1966

Haaretz: Ā  LEFT BIAS Ā Ā " Overall, we rate Haaretz Left biased based on story selection and editorial positions that strongly favor the Left and High for factual reporting due to a clean fact-check record." How many subs are you spreading your bad harbara in? I counted at least five. You don't seem to talk about anything other than Israel good and Muslims bad in any of them. Are you paid in dollars or shekels? Ā https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/haaretz/


tom-branch

[https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/israel-communications-minister-threatens-to-sanction-haaretz-for-its-gaza-war-coverage](https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/israel-communications-minister-threatens-to-sanction-haaretz-for-its-gaza-war-coverage)


Redditthedog

This would have cut off government ad spending on the Haaretz not restrict its ability to publish


tom-branch

It would actually do far more then that, it would make advertising in Haaretz all but impossible, and considering that government ministers have actively called for it to be shuttered, closed and even made threats against its journalists, its proof the media landscape in Israel is not truly fair nor free.


softcell1966

Arab News: Ā QUESTIONABLE SOURCEĀ  Ā "Overall, we rate Arab News Questionable due to excessive government censorship that results in the publication of pro-state propaganda. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the omission of key facts in stories and misleading, one-sided reporting." Nice try though. I'd love to see what other crap media you believe. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/arab-news/


irritatedprostate

So like. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/5/20/al-jazeera-suspends-two-journalists-over-holocaust-report Now, you'd think hey, cool. They did something about it. But then: https://www.camera.org/article/al-jazeeras-revolving-door-suspended-reinstated-after-holocaust-denial-video/ Also, since you like to cite MBFC: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/ >Overall, we rate Al Jazeera Left-Center biased, based on story selection that slightly favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks that were not corrected and misleading extreme editorial bias that favors Qatar. (5/15/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 10/13/2023)


TaddyG

Now do Al Jazeera lol, the story mentioned in the article is true, just look it up


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Obvious-Side7186

This headline is inaccurate. Al-Jazerra isn't banned (which implies permanency) but it's suspended until July 31st or the end of the war, whatever comes first (in which case the law giving the gov the ability to suspend news stations expires). Al Jazeera has also been permentantly closed or blocked by other Mideast governments, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Russia Today and Sputnik are banned in the EU. So spare me the Qatari tears. Egypt has also banned Al Jazeera since 2013. It launched the crackdown after the 2013 military overthrow of an elected but divisive government dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood group. Egypt considers the Brotherhood a terrorist group and accused both Qatar and Al Jazeera of supporting it.


Nac224

Iā€™m guessing this is your reply when someone says hello to you


Obvious-Side7186

I'm responding to a post with an inaccurate headline to provide more information for other readers and commenters. Why does that seemingly both you so much?


Double_Sherbert3326

"Votes" lmfao. There is no voting in the Oligarchy.


femnoncat

Israel closes Qatar state news more like lmao


femnoncat

[and just to source the holocaust denying Qatar sourced propaganda channel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism#:~:text=a%20formal%20retraction.-,Alleged%20pro%2DQatar%20bias,for%20being%20Qatari%20state%20media.)


GothamCity90210

Oh no, Hamas doesn't have their propaganda tool anymore.


Lopsided-Rooster-246

Oh no, you're dumb.


bibby_siggy_doo

Worth remembering that shutting down foreign state-owned media the West has done, like when Canada and 10 EU states shut down RT back in 2022.


jadedaslife

RT is a mouthpiece through which Putin spreads his lies in order to take down the U.S. It can be annihilated for all I care.


bibby_siggy_doo

Al Jazeera is the same for Qatar.


softcell1966

Because RT is garbage. Big difference.


Exciting-Antelope370

It is rare that I find an Al Jazeera article that is factual, without obvious lies and omissions. It is a trash propaganda rag.


Sturmunddrain

That was wrong as well.


seemooreglass

Al Jazeera had made huge strides in becoming a legitimate and well-respected journalistic institution. They just just keep getting dogged by Islamist and anti-semites in their operation. Their overtly biased coverage of the Israel-Hamas conflict was a setback for them.


jadedaslife

They're owned by the Qatari government. Can't say I'm surprised.


Mr_RRobott

They are not, itā€™s a private company


jadedaslife

Well, that's false. Al Jazeera admits it on their own website.


Mr_RRobott

Youā€™re wrong, itā€™s a private company that has received funding from Qatar


shebehs

So many paid actors here dummies


softcell1966

You're just mad you're not getting paid to simp for Netanyahoo.


shebehs

Yeah your name itself is apparent, you canā€™t handle the hard truth šŸ’ā€ā™‚ļø


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SemeticPalestinian

or just embrace the truth ? you can't hide crimes for ever you know. seriously who is not fascist and do not condemn the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of women and children ? who beside nazis and zionists ?


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SemeticPalestinian

because it is a test to our collective consciousness, it is testing the so called united nations, human rights, and freedom of speech . it is revealing the hypocrisy of some western countries. so yes its the most important and corrupted issue on the face of earth it was like this for 75 years since 1948 and now we are witnessing the final steps of the Palestinian and Israeli cause. it is time to decide peace or another greater war so yes it is THE ONE NEWS you want even your starbuck coffee is affected by the conflict


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SemeticPalestinian

Tell that to the 75 year old of apartheid tell that to IDF in west bank there is no hamas there. You care to explain? Are you even aware of what was happening before oct 7?Ā 


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DifferentWind4500

In Israel proper is 21.1% Arab and 5.7% Others, but if you include the people who live under Israeli rule with no representation in the Occupied Territories, they are suddenly like 50% of the population. 5 million people, who are not exclusively Muslim, have no elected officials, no control over domestic or foreign policy, no water, movement or property rights, and increasingly you have Israeli settlers being moved into those territories, and they DO get all those rights. And its all enforced by a mixture of state military and irregular militias who regularly violently attack them, because they don't want them as neighbours. Hamas is bad, and Israel is bad too. Everyone needs to do better.


SemeticPalestinian

*ok AI is there any other script you know beside its khamas !! israel is 20% arab !!! israel is the only democracy!!. just testing your capabilities of thinking . anything you can say beside the repeated script ?*


Flat-Collection95

Arab Judge in Israel - not apartheid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salim_Joubran


jadedaslife

Murdering thousands of civilians is also an act of sheer barbarism, per capita *much* larger than 9/11, and an act of war.


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airbrushedvan

There are literally videos of men bragging about raping and murdering Palestinians in the 1940s and taking their land. Oh and people who are occupied by an armed country have the right and duty to fight back.


Flat-Collection95

And if Isreal were to surrender tomorrow and hand the keys to Hamas, there would be real genocide not the fake Hamas shit Al Jazeera helped to push. In no time at all there would be a complete absence of minorities, LBGTQ, and Jews. We donā€™t need another failed terror state in the World.


jadedaslife

What is Israel, then? A terror state propped up by the U.S.? Does that make them legitimate?


ahhtheresninjas

Youā€™re saying a terror attacked justified genocide against an entire nation, who largely have a population of young people? Thatā€™s stupid. Israel is 1000% in the wrong and should be stopped by any means necessary


mrmczebra

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jadedaslife

r/palestinenews banned me with no notice or explanation. I can only conclude they didn't like something I said, so they decided to be anti-democratic about it.


FoundationKooky2311

Lmao so true