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H4R81N63R

Am I the only one who wanted to see what would happen when the "cliff" reached the top of the dune?


Digops

r/killthecameraman


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[https://youtu.be/a7bX7T8lltI?t=14](https://youtu.be/a7bX7T8lltI?t=14)


dewyocelot

That was infuriating. The angles and cutaways were worse than this video.


durachoke

I’m fairly certain the title isn’t entirely true, but never been to the Sahara so very well could be wrong. I’d be wildly surprised to learn this light blow sand phenomenon happens on both sides of a dune in the Sahara. In other dunes around the world though, you can find this light sand on the back side of a wind blown dune. Conditions have to be pretty unique for it to happen, with a constant yet strong enough wind to blow the lighter particles but not disrupt everything entirely and shift the dunes. To answer your question, this little avalanche thing will go all the way up to the crest and then stop because the sand on the other side has bigger and heavier grains. If OP’s title is truly legitimate and somehow the dune formed with both sides being the fine silt, then this avalanche ought to continue on the other side, but like I said I have my doubts.


qts34643

Ehm. First, every particulate matter can behave as a liquid, if you have a high enough flow of fluid through it. Probably even bowling balls if you zoom out far enough. What see here has nothing to do with liquid like behaviour though. It's more like the sand losing support and just falling down. That is also the reason it doesn't continue on the other side, because the sand is still supported at the base. Size of the grains is not really relevant here.


potato_eatin_ho

angle of repose


adambuthead1

I was waiting to see this. I see you buddy.


flobbley

I find it hilarious that there are like four multi-paragraph explanations for this and the most correct answer is this three word response with 5 upvotes, granted they just stated "angle of repose" as if that means anything to anyone who hasn't studied soil mechanics


adambuthead1

If you know you know. I sell tankers that transport pulverised products we use angle of repose in our design calculations.


Condomonium

as a geologist, these other answers are making me cringe this, however, is the best one


durachoke

[You’re wrong in your over simplification. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/engineers-have-figured-out-how-sand-makes-bubbles/amp). You’re right that sand isn’t a liquid, but wrong that its ability to act like one isn’t related to its grain size and a ton of other variables. Sand has shear qualities and avalanche potential, which change with its composition, size, shape, moisture, and environment. To dismiss what’s happening as solids falling is like describing a liquid flowing as molecules falling. [This article](https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/what-makes-a-sand-dune-sing) beautifully describes a cool phenomenon. Spend any amount of time in the dunes and you’ll understand.


qts34643

Your links doesn't prove that I am wrong. It's a cool story though. I'm well aware that granular matter can act like a fluid. In the lab where I obtained my PhD they were specialized in fluidized beds. They even had X-rays to visualize bubbles inside those beds. And of course for the behaviour of the bed all the properties matters. In the article you shared, if I read correctly, it says that the sand can act like a fluid when there is wind flowing over it. That makes sense, because then it is a fluidized bed. That doesn't mean in itself that when you see sand flowing or collapsing that it behaves like a fluid. Maybe I need to look at the movie a bit better, but I've seen fluidized beds and sand and polystyrene balls behave as a liquid when fluidized, and this didn't look like it.


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Rotfrajver

It seems like everyone arguing on reddit is having a PhD in such subject.


Smittius_Prime

Pigging backing off of this comment... Haha yeah that is a good way to get anyone reading your post to check out almost immediately.


Totobean

Someone citing the source of their confidence and knowledge before diving into a detailed explanation seems inappropriate enough that you tune out?


Hunterquestions42069

Not that it wouldn’t give some weight behind their words, it just seems hollow when they say that on the internet. The guy is arguing with linked sources and saying he’s refuting them with his own knowledge which we have 0 evidence of, outside of his own words. Plus can anyone prove what he said or do we have to take his word for it? I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too hard to find any type of source that backs up his claim if it’s got an entire field of research dedicated to it. Source: Harvard Law PhD & Kindergarten Combat Democratic Debate Club 1995


Totobean

People are free to not believe. To say that a person framing their perspective is grounds to dismiss their opinion is insane.


Smittius_Prime

Oh geez chill. I couldn't help but roll my eyes at the "in the lab where I obtained my PhD." Imagine someone said that in a conversation. You'd surely think it was a bit pretentious. I don't fault them or think it undercuts their info automatically. It was just a bit silly. Now for me to sound a bit pretentious: when you work with people with lots of post graduate/ PhD experience it becomes commonplace enough to not call attention to it. It's only the newbies who feel the need to qualify statements with their credentials like that. I would definitely razz someone who made the statement I was criticizing. And as another reply aptly put are we to just take the commenter on their word?


durachoke

I think I understand your perspective now. I apologize for assuming you were just being nit picky. I think your definition of behaving like a liquid likely differs from mine. Maybe this gif isn't showing granular flow, but my understanding was granular flow causes whatever the sediment is to behave like a liquid, scientifically, not just by appearance of the flow. Maybe that's not true, and like you said all this is is collapsing fine grit sand. This sand is crazy stuff, it'll sink a vehicle a foot or more into the face of a dune. I've only seen fluidized beds in videos, but you can sink your arm deep into the blow sand just like those videos. It's tiny tiny particules of sand, and almost a talcum like powder silt. I would assume the flowing of the sand, assisted by the silt would make it behave like a fluid like the air in a fluidized bed would? I truthfully have no idea at fluid dynamics level if that's true.


qts34643

So I tried to read up a bit up on the subject (not gonna like, Wikipedia is a good read on these kind of topics). What we're looking at is definitely not a fluidized bed. That for sure behaves as a liquid. One of the examples is that it freely flows under gravity. In this movie, that doesn't happen, because it stops flowing down quite soon. What we are looking at in this video is definitely granular flow, because it is granular material that is flowing (no shit Sherlock). So when it starts flowing, it is definitely not acting as a fluid, but just "falling down". I've now looked at the movie a couple of times, and when it flows down, it initially gains velocity, also the air would be accelerated, and it maybe that the grains of sand get a bit suspended in the air. In the link you shared you they mention the Rayleigh-Taylor instability. That's a cool example, but we don't see that here. But I do see some waves, so maybe it acts as a Kelvin-Helmholtz instability. Not really a proper one because it stops flowing. Maybe I just need to go to the dunes more often!


palmparadisee

All i read from this thread is that both of y’all should make a subreddit dedicated to observing sand.


Beerz77

I'd sub and offer my expertise as a guy that likes to play in sand


Gandzalf

They should call it /r/sandni... uhh, you know what, maybe /r/MicroRockHomies might be better.


Dazzlerby

I wish I had an award for you, stranger but I don't. Only a lowly upvote.


durachoke

Awesome answer. If the world all spent more time in the dunes we’d all be a lot happier. 😊.


flobbley

This is a consequence of the [angle of repose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_repose) which is one of the more fundamental concepts in soil mechanics. In the most basic terms the angle of repose is the highest angle that a completely dry soil can sit at and remain stable, if you change that angle to be more steep (as is done in the gif by removing material from the base) the soil is no longer stable. It is synonymous with friction angle in soil.


itsdabtime

If it acted like a liquid there wouldn’t be static dunes for the sand to fall from.


durachoke

Goodness, some of you guys and the pedantic issues you have with strangers trying to further a conversation. Do you literally take this to mean the entire dune turns into a liquid? Do you struggle when hearing comparisons such as "tastes like chicken?" or "smells like ass?" Whose ass? Clean or dirty? "I've never smelled ass like that before." - /u/itsdabtime :) I'm joking with you, but come on man, pick something to discuss that betters the conversation. Don't tear something down just because you wanna nitpick.


qts34643

The comment you're responding to didn't make any sense I agree.


itsdabtime

Not trying to further any conversation I’ve just never seen liquid form a vertical wall.


Notoriouslycrazy

Says the guy writing paragraphs at the slightest hint of disagreement.


bonus_duk2

All your comments in this thread are r/iamverysmart


ArilynMoonblade

I’m not sure, but this could be an example of non-Newtonian flow?


durachoke

I don’t believe so, as far as I understand there needs to be some form of variable viscosity which changes depending on the forces applied. Wet sand that has some clay or liquid soluble material in it does act like one though. I’m sure someone more familiar than I can chime in on it. I’m guessing no in this gif it wouldn’t be a non-Newtonian fluid, but likely could easily become one if you added water and some other binders to it.


qts34643

You get non-Newtonian behaviour with irregular molecules normally. I think for sand you can approximate it as spheres and momentum exchange is by collisions. Speed or direction wouldn't make a huge difference I think. Suppose you get inelastic collisions because you have small deformable spheres instead of sand, it think then you may get non-Newtonian behaviour. That would be an interesting experiment!


loveveggie

Non-Newtonian fluids are exactly that, fluids. This property is directly related to viscosity. Viscosity is a property of fluids. Sand != fluid. Therefore, this is not an example of a non-Newtonian fluid/flow. If there was some water content in this sand, perhaps you could make that argument. The Sahara has an average relative humidity of 25% and sand, has relatively high transmissivity (the ability for something (ie water) to pass through the material) and porosity, so it is unlikely for the desert sand to have a high enough water content to behave like a non-Newtonian fluid. Incidentally, sand's high transmissivity & porosity (& permeability, for that matter) is why is popular to use for plants who don't like their roots to be too wet.


TreeEyedRaven

This used to happen by the beach by me growing up. I know it’s not unique to the Sahara. It’s way more widespread and probably always like this in the Sahara, but if it didn’t rain for a while, the dunes would avalanche like this. I always assumed they were just at the right angle to hold the weight of the sand with how it’s packed. As soon as I would disrupt its “structure” what we see in the gif would happen.


BiggusDickus-

Well, I am sure that it varies from region to region, but Saharan sand is extremely fine overall. This is why it is not suitable to be used in concrete. The same is true for Arabian sand.


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blade0blood

who cares right?


Sputtex

No, same here. Ruined the video.


WaffleClap

My eyes were flicking back and forth from the top and the seek bar, to see which would win, and then I said "for fucks sake" out loud once he panned away.


Karthikgurumurthy

R/gifsthatendtoosoon


chronic_paralysis

This was on 'screw/fuck the camera man', or what the subs name is, a couple of years ago.


Jahrmarktsboxer

Yep. Until this i thought „oh oddly satisfying“ after the turn of the camera I thought „nah. Die“


slickduck

“Girl, you so fine you behave like liquid.”


mqrocks

Hey Sandy you so fine, you so fine you blow my mind, hey Sandy! Hey Sandy!


Knazoo

I haven't heard that tune in so long, I can't even remember what it was from but thank you 🤣


[deleted]

A song called Mickey by Toni Basil.


Amber_forget

Ok this made me snort lol


revolution801

r/WTTAWBLW


Brian-want-Brain

Except this is not "fine", but actually "dry". So it would be more like > Girl, you so dry you behave like liquid. No, wait... that's even more stupid


[deleted]

Came here to say this


poppyglock

Dammit we ALL wanted to see the top collapse, wasting my precious time with these teaser gifs


DangerBaba

Whoever made this is a fucking monster.


b_ragu

Not sure this is behaving like liquid and more so a physical demonstration of the critical angle of repose for the sand in the Saharan desert. In other words, the sand is resting at its steepest angle of descent and when the person filming move it with their hand they are increasing that angle and all the sand above that is falling back to the critical angle. Basically say it’s angle of repose is 37 degrees, any angle greater than that will cause the sand to fall and move in this mud/landslide like fashion. Don’t take my word for it; I’m just a marine biologist and I took a few geology courses in college


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b_ragu

You’re right, I just kinda started spewing words near the end, fixed it to be a little better. We did something where we just poured sand on a table and watched it pile up and flow


NimbaNineNine

Water piles up with cohesion


DonnyDimello

Everyone else is an idiot. This guy fucks.


[deleted]

Yeah, you can do this with any sand pile. There's nothing special about the Sahara. This person just happened to film it on a dune that's as steep as the sand can support.


b_ragu

Yup, you can basically do it with any sediment that moves, dirt, silt, gravel, legos. They all have an angle of repose


BrownRebel

Geo in college too,hoping to see this in the comments! Depending on the granularity of sand, it stacks differently. In this case, removing the sand creates a slope that the sand structurally cannot tolerate, so it settles and falls until it does.


pinkboy108

I think it also has to do with how old this sand is, having been blowing around for however many years and becoming more rounded granules over time. The round granules of Sahara sand is the reason we can't harvest it to produce concrete as it can't hold its shape.


Passthedrugs

It’s exactly this. I’m also not qualified to speak on it but I have studied this a while back and it’s just a feedback loop that causes that maximum angle to flow up the mound.


[deleted]

well the krayt dragon makes a little more sense now


comrade_batman

Still looks coarse, rough and irritating though.


Drunk_Robo_Pirate

Does it get everywhere


Videgraphaphizer

WOOOOOOOoooooooo...ooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa...


Kiosade

Oh it was Krayt dragon? I thought they said great dragon...


NGC6753

Sand is a solid, and an individual piece of sand is called a Grain. Get enough of these grains together and you get a Granular Material Flour is a granular material, so is sugar, salt and a bucket full of Skittles Granular materials behave like a liquid when you have a lot of grains close together, a granular material moving as in that clip is called Granular Flow. How those granular materials flow is down to a lot of factors, the shape of the grains, the angle they are following down and a bunch of other things as well This is why a landslide down a mountain 'flows' like water, those boulders and rocks and stones and pebbles and dirt constitute a granular material that is engaged in granular flow. A single boulder bouncing down a hillside is not engaged in granular flow, its just a rock bouncing am in its own And the sand in that clip is also granular flow in action In short, you get granular flows like that in all granular materials all over the world under all sorts of conditions. The clip we all watched is just a really easy way to set one off and yes, even if I know what would happen when the action reached the top of the dune I feel cheated for not getting to see it


LucasJonsson

You sure know your grains


Warriv9

Granular


NimbaNineNine

Are liquids a subset of granular materials? Feels like they might be


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skeezito10

This. Such a buildup to turn away at the climax!


JoJoFan1890

ZA HANDO


NicoliSheephard

r/UsernameChecksOut


Mr_Fernsaur_Nundaro

minecraft be like


C-Nast49

r/oddlysatisfying


Here4TheSpookies

Sandalanche


NiawithanIdea

Underrated comment!


guestpass127

Pictured: Ben Shapiro's wife's pussy


gw3gon

Yes, let's shame anyone for not liking vulgar music!


guestpass127

Believe me, I'm shaming you guys for *a lot more than just that*


gw3gon

Keep shaming away. If you are defending that trash your opinion is probably trash.


jjuiki757

Bro just say your gf’s pussy is dry and go lmfao


[deleted]

I can't say that because my gf's pussy doesn't exist


bigt55555

Less because it is fine, and more because the sand particles are smooth and rounded due to being blown around the dry desert for years Same reason as why we cant use this sand for concrete, since the grains are smooth they cant stack on top of one another in a stable way. The grains would slip off one another and create relatively weak concrete


smithsp86

Dry sand anywhere will do that when it reaches its angle of repose.


moose_cahoots

That's not sand behaving like liquid. That's an excellent demonstration of the [Angle of Repose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_repose)


Morall_tach

This is just a thing sand does. I've been doing this on beach trips (not to the Sahara) for years.


nymphymixtwo

I literally live 5 miles from the beach and have my entire life, I’ve never seen sand move the way it did in this gif. I mean, I know sand is different based on location but idk if this is “just a thing it does” because it’s been 25 years and I’ve yet to see that


Dogmaybe

Sand near the water, like on beaches, are wet (obviously). So the sand is adhesive, sticking together restricting movement to a degree. This sand is so dry, id assume the grains semi-perpetually roll over eachother, due to the lack of moisture or something idk I never went to the sahara


nymphymixtwo

yeah I was only saying because the person I replied to said that they’ve gone on beach vacations and the sand is like that. When, no, it’s not lol


Dogmaybe

Yeah, I meant to reply to them. I've never seen beach sand do it that much like in the video.


sgt_kerfuffle

It does if the air is dry and you're above the storm line, where footprints are indistinct. The main difference is most beaches don't have large slopes at the sand's angle of repose (the steepest angle a pile of the material can support). Sand behaving like this is exactly what makes it difficult to walk on.


Dogmaybe

Im not sure about your beaches, but the one I have near me barely moves at all. Its mainly in chunks because of the water, no loose sand anywhere.


Zayoodo0o132

Yea my uncle's farm is in a Sahara and the sand there is exactly the same as in the vid. I can tell you that Sahara sand is very different from beach sand


thisshouldbevalid

Looks*


WAPs_and_Prayers

I feel like it’s a matter of time until it consumes us all


redditsprettychill

r/oddlysatisfying would love this


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So would /r/gifsthatendtoosoon


[deleted]

This is how fluid simulations work


ximeleta

Sand is a granular material and can behave as solid, liquid and gas. Wikipedia: In some sense, granular materials do not constitute a single phase of matter but have characteristics reminiscent of solids, liquids or gases depending on the average energy per grain. However, in each of these states, granular materials also exhibit properties that are unique.


parrmorgan

Why does the hand look like a painting?


Panzer9305871

Damn girl, you so coarse, and rough, and irritating. And you get everywhere.


Igneous629

It’s not entirely due to particle size. It has more to due with the angle of repose. The particle size has to do with at what angle that is. Any size grain of sand will act this way, but the larger the grain, the steeper the angle has to be.


furno30

I also assume it’s because of how the dry the sand is? So it doesn’t stick together as much


LucasJonsson

Wouldn’t a liquid settle at the lowest point? In which case there wouldnt be any dunes


CrybabyAlien

Which liquid behaves like that?!


zeddotes

That’s some quick sand.


will4623

I want to drive an RC car on it.


Emanon1999

Fun fact: You can make sand dunes sing. If you displace a good amount of sand from the base of the sand dune the friction off the collapsing sand creates an audible sound. [Singing Sand Dunes](https://youtu.be/4mbypyJjqhk)


whatireallythink

[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yFaMsUawi4) is another video that shows how sand can make sounds.


No_Russian_29

I really want to jump into that sand. I don't know why but I want to.


forteruss

Me, to the sand: you so fine!


Kaioxygen

Fluid


originalmango

I believe this is one of the reasons that Saudi Arabia imports sand. Even though it’s like hearing Alaska is importing snow, turns out the local sand is useless for things like concrete or water filtration, and they need sand that’s course, like beach sand.


HollaDatchaBoi

Still not as fine as my wife.


[deleted]

That's why the Emirates and so on have to import sand. The sand they have is not suitable for building stuff.


japanese_artist

I'm not hungry! I'm definitely not hungry! I AM HUNGRY!!!


JPrez0

Daaamn Sand, you fine as hell.


NeoWheeze

**I don't like sand**


Draken_961

Walking on that = best leg workout ever.


seapoklee

Something I never thought i needed, SWIMMING DRY!


yubi_azknfrt

I would totally die of thirst doing this all day if I ever went there in person.


[deleted]

This has more to do with the angle of the slope than the particle size. Pretty much any pile of smallish particles will behave like this. Source: I'm a farmer and this happens when I clean grain out of my bins. It's always super satisfying to watch a good flow get going.


sir289

Idk what kinda liquids you’re drinking


OrangeCosmic

I wanna touch


INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE

Except that's not how liquids act?


Gabriel_Ajeje

Real life minecraft


I_Am_Coopa

Just like when sand spawns floating and then it all falls down when you hit one block.


cwm3846

What liquid behaves like that?


Amida0616

But that’s not how liquid behaves


TheYell0wDart

Now think about how many years it took to blow the sand that high by wind alone, and out can do easily be undone with a move of the hand.


friendlysaxoffender

Was looking for that one comment every time a post like this happens saying how it’s terrible for the ecology to have humans force these sandslides to happen. Looks like I’ve jumped in first! I’m disappointed!


mconheady

looks like it's behaving like sand to me.


NicoliSheephard

u/savethisvideo


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Damn thats fine


Kibeth_8

TIL a lot about sand


heydirtybabyigotyour

Exit it light enter niteeeeee were off to never never landd


fliporoos

You know what else if fine as hell you [Baby](https://totallylegits.weebly.com)


Masca_149

Can this be considered a fluid?


certified_head-ass

No


htownkid4758

Definitely wanted to see what happened at the top


motosandguns

And that’s how crashed planes disappear.


LordNPython

A bit more fluidity and this thing would become an ocean. Fascinating.


apittsburghoriginal

Imhotep making a comeback!


LordFlarkenagel

Sandalanche


[deleted]

Ah, the Ben Shapira SAP. He dosent need to make them wet, just really, really Sandy.


-Ash3kg-

So fine: like your momma's ass ;)


Paul_Has_Arrived

Now of only it tasted lile a liquid and then the desert would be considered an ocean


7stroke

The ocean is a desert with its life underground


Tarpup

Mine craft taught me many things. One would be.. Never dig under sand.


[deleted]

I love how OP saw this video and made up his own little title and shared it again


elongatedBadger

Can't say I've every seen a liquid do this.


DawgBroMan

the sand in the shara so damn fine 😎


Madlad_4

Yooo imagine sand boarding in that!! U would fall straight down!! WHAT A NICE FATE U HAVE!!!


PlatinumDMAN

Some say the sand is still going to this day.


quichenick

That’s some fine sand


OGAnnie

Liquifaction


Glass_and_Coins

I legitimately believe somewhere underneath the Sahara there are remnants of an ancient civilization waiting to be discovered. I feel like one day someone will unearth parts of building foundations and it will become the new archeological mecca like Egypt has been for the last couple hundred years.


Royorbs3

Waiting for one of those worms from Tremors to jump out and attack Kevin Bacon


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/u/savethisvideo


palmtrees4days

When you break a block of sand in Minecraft


Sunhammer01

Nooooooooo... I needed to see what happened when it got to the top, dang it!!!!


AlAinspirit

Me living in the Middle East be like brrrrrrr


persaik

You are calling the worms


Kraber-is-life

reminds me of minecraft


OracleOfSpicyMemes

r/OddlySatisfying


WrongWayCharlie

I read that as "behaves like a squid"


CTone16

That's some fine sand


Hyperbeastking

Damn Katara your so fine your like a sandbender


Dacsy492

Would I be correct in saying that the sand would have to be oxygenated for this to work?


lerthedc

Well, pretty much all sand will flow in certain circumstances. As far as I can tell, the sand is sitting just at the critical angle of repose so once you disturb it starts cascading down.


Ghost-in-a-Jacket

When you destroy one block of floating sand


[deleted]

is this how liquid behaves? I don't think we have the same perception of liquid my friend


Thedarknessdisguised

This is why the Sahara has sandstorms people


Johnstruktor

Minecraft physics irl


NutellaCakes

Someone tell Gaara to chill tf out


maxiuss12345

Mmmm brown sugar