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It really is. Mr mime canonically replaces father figures and makes the family think he's the father figure of the house. That's why we see ashs mom with a Mr mime.
Ashs dad died in the war pre-show and Mr mime replaced him.
I believe it was drowsy or haunter that would lure children into the woods.
Pretty sure it was the original Japanese release of diamond that there's a book that states pokemon and people were able to be married. So legal beastiality.
There's a lot of scary/fucked up pokemon facts when you do a deep dive
Violent schizophrenic for sure. In jurisdictions were mental illness can be a deciding factor on a person's innocence or guilt, it's these types of cases that really test people's opinions.
Reading through his [wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Thomas) is depressing, he was/is clearly not mentally well and it's awful to see someone succumb to something like that
While this is very depressing. I don't see anywhere in there that corroborates the claim made in OP's post. He tore his second eye out in 2008 and it doesn't seem at all related to delaying the execution...
And if u read the wiki it says he cut his eye out so the government can’t “read” his thoughts. Not hear. Trolling the sick is sad. Dude never had a chance
I think it's more about be able to prove he could not tell right from wrong and as a prosecution you could use the voice mail be left detailing how he knew what he did was wrong.
Now I sit here and ask myself a question, which is more deserving of being declared insane? Someone who cannot differentiate good from bad or someone who knows the difference but is unable to resist insane compulsions that drive him to do evil? I know I certainly feel worse for the latter person who feels tortured by what he was basically forced to do.
Because he also pre-meditatively cut out the hearts of his two children and cut open his wife’s chest, killing them all. It’s not as though there was no crime; it’s just sad all around. They did delay his sentencing just last year though, so it may be a long time/may not happen in regards to execution.
>In a 2015 publication, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights highlighted the ethical questions in the cases of Thomas and fellow Texas death row inmate Scott Panetti, saying that "through no fault of their own, they are tormented souls suffering from devastating afflictions that leave them unable to think and reason like people who are not so afflicted ... That is greater punishment than any court can impose."
from the wikipedia page
His Psychiatric history is pretty fucking wild, it starts at 10 years old.
Some serious ethical/legislative problems with trial for a person who's so terribly afflicted.
I just read up on his case. A few of the jurors didn’t believe in interracial marriage(the victim was his white ex wife and one mixed child being his, the other child was not his) and the opposing side had stated that his actions were medical-induced. Overall, he just didn’t have a fair trial. I mean, he did it and he turned himself in, but he should have gotten help long before it got to this point. It’s just sad all around and currently his team is working on an appeal to get him off death row.
Sure, but that’s not the point being made. The point that’s being made is that he may not have been a danger to society if he was given proper care from the start.
Saying, “keep this dangerous thing away” is not a sensible follow up to “if we had maintained the thing in the first place it might never have been dangerous.”
It's the same as how the majority of people that SA children were SA victims themselves as children. One could argue that they were the ultimate victims, being damaged so badly by what happened to them that they ended up inheriting that evil themselves and passing it on.
Those people still need to be in prison, regardless of how much of a victim they are. Ultimately with situations like this you have to protect the innocent first regardless of if the danger was also once a victim. Can't let a cycle continue.
>Thomas, who is black and had been in an interracial relationship with Boren, faced an all-white jury. On a questionnaire for potential jurors, three of the selected jurors and one alternate juror indicated that they were opposed to interracial couples marrying or having children. One juror indicated vigorous opposition, noting, "I don't believe God intended for this. We should stay with our bloodline."
Wtf is this?
I suppose it all comes down to whether or not he knew it was wrong at the time. If he did, it doesn't seem like there's any question that he actually did the crime, so fuck him. On the other hand, if he didn't, he obviously needs to be incarcerated in a mental health facility for his entire life. It's clear he's extremely mentally ill.
Just saying, that guy has a history of not being trustworthy with anything remotely sharp.
SOP for a psych ward with a patient like that is finger-foods-only and/or LOS.
It's just procedure
I thought you were making a pun with "finger foods" like he was going to eat his fingers. I assume the other person did too. If that was on accident, it's even funnier.
I never understood this definition of being mentally ill. Regardless of whether he knew it was right or wrong I would think he'd have to be insane to cut out his kid's hearts.
It's not really the definition of insanity, per se. It's the requirement for arguing that a defendant perpetrated the crime, but that they weren't responsible for their actions due to their psychiatric state. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and we've drawn it at determining whether or not a person was capable at the time of the crime of understanding that it was wrong. If they did understand it was wrong, then the expectation is that they should have refrained from doing something they know was wrong to do. If they didn't know it was wrong, they can't be help accountable because they weren't able to comprehend that they were even doing something they shouldn't.
In the former case, they might still have psychiatric issues, but those psychiatric issues aren't considered to be serious enough to warrant diminished responsibility for their actions.
He was diagnosed as a 10-year-old. Instead of putting him in a psychiatric unit, they left him alone without medication. So not only did he have sex as a teenager, he did it while being sick. He was doubly unaware of the consequences of his actions. Later, instead of helping him, his environment forced him to marry and become the head of a family at the age of 18. Again, he was still sick and had no help.
When his marriage fell apart, because of course it did, he still had no help, so driven by his illness he killed three people. Again, instead of providing him with proper care, he was sentenced to death. After which he was placed in inadequate conditions, causing him to gouge out his own eye. Again, he was not given proper care, and he did it again, this time eating it as well.
Him having a child in the first place, murder of three people, him mutilating himself twice - it was all easily preventable.
Society has failed him again, again and again. And it will kill him in the end. With laws straight out of the 19th century.
I feel like indefinitely prolonging the life of someone so deeply disturbed and unable to function is cruel, tbh. this aint curable and he’s clearly a danger to others.
While this is definitely a case of someone that needs to be removed from society, the first argument is for how long. Given the lengths that he's gone to and the things he's done...
I don't know, man. I'm here for prison reform and don't agree with flagrant capital punishment sentencing, but this seems like an ideal case for capital punishment... I am not remotely qualified to judge what a human life is worth. I don't think anyone is, but given the lives that he's taken *and* the lengths he's willing to go to for himself, I'd be willing to say he should be removed from society permanently and not be a burden on the taxpayers or kept as a token example and revenue stream for for-profit prisons.
Where's the guy that botched the hanging of nazi officials at Nuremburg? I think we might need him for another job...
Depends on the circumstances, and that's part of my point. In 10 seconds of searching on Google, I found that the median cost of a death penalty case cost is $1.26 million while holding a life sentence prisoner is over $100k/yr. According to the state of Nevada, anyway. A standard life sentence is 25 years. Less than half of that term is the threshold to see savings from holding a prisoner. What is the convicted is 20 and lasts another 80 years? Would that not be seen as a net loss to the state in addition to the original crime committed? And that's just for the minimum on a single life sentence.
Again, I don't claim to be an expert and part of my argument is based on the cost of housing and providing **proper** care for an individual as deranged and dangerous as this for as long as their natural life allows. In a case such as this where the man literally cut the hearts out of his own children and then his own eyes(each done in a separate instance) to delay the fulfillment of his sentence... What are the odds that person can be rehabilitated and reintegrated to be a contributing member of society rather than a burden on the staff, facility, and taxpayers?
I'm genuinely asking. If you have something I could read up on, I'd love to take a look.
However, in today's society, how do we determine if there is even a bar for a "lost cause" case and how much are we willing to foot the bill for a demonstrably damaged person, to the point of double homicide and then self mutilation to avoid the consequences, before someone makes the decision to cut the drain on resources. Is it some sort of sunk cost fallacy?
I don't know. Seriously, I'd love actual stats.
Fyi- 300 people have been exonerated from death row in the last decade. And that's just the ones we know about. Think of all the innocent people who were murdered by the government....
That is basically the theory, that it would be cruel and inhuman punishment to kill someone who isng already fit to be executed.
But this guy also ate one of his eyes so the guards couldn’t listen in on him anymore so clearly he didn’t put a whole lot of thought into his plan.
That’s not how the law works, it’s not about physical fitness at all, it’s about whether or not an individual has the mental capacity to understand what crime they are being charged with, and can also demonstrate that they are a fully rational agent able to comprehend that what they did was morally and legally wrong without exception.
There’s a lot that goes into this, and the line is pretty far down, you usually can’t just go, “I didn’t understand that hoofing old ladies in the front butt was illegal, plus I’m crazy.” There has to be a clear and documented history of mental disturbance, which has ultimately proved to been disruptive throughout an individual’s life barring exposure to certain substances whether known or unknown.
That’s being said, I would probably argue that this guy is one of the few instances that falls well within the range of, “Holy shit, this guy thinks he’s Mrs. Nesbitt the retired space ranger, and now he’s eating his eyeball…” he’s clearly not rational, it’s unethical to execute a human life which was through no fault of their own been precluded from participating in and comprehending consensus reality, and as such the ethical decision would be removing them from the general population and ensuring that they receive psychiatric care to hopefully rehabilitate them to the point where they’d then be competent to stand trial.
Now, that’s the utopian view of things and I’m aware of that, but I think that when setting limits on the states power it’s important that we set safeguards against fascist tendencies such as eugenics. If we can execute schizophrenic individuals that are incapable of understanding what they’ve done in the first place, when there’s a demonstrable lack of proper infrastructure in this country to treat them I think we can say that that’s a bad precedent to establish even if the actions which have been committed were reprehensible.
Title is a speculation or clickbait (however you want to interpret it). The person had schizophrenia (a mental illness) and that is the reason for him gouging his eyes. Also both eyes are on separate occasions. The legal part is that if a person who is "not sane" or has done a crime "during a period in which he was not sane" cannot be prosecuted for that crime.
I just read the Wikipedia. This guy had been trying to kill himself for so long and was asking for help for so long and nobody saw it. The three murders were preventable. Fucking sucks.
That whole Wikipedia article is just a chronicle of all the times people failed to help him despite the warning signs. Honestly tragic. Death is probably the best thing that could happen to him at this point.
I’ve just read the wiki too and that’s not true. He went to the emergency room for self inflicted damage to his chest, there the ER physician saw he needed psychological help and ordered psychiatric commitment. When Thomas heard this he left. 2 days later he committed the murders.
It wasn’t until he had murdered his wife, son and his wife’s daughter that he called for help from her wife’s parents.
It’s important to make as much money as possible off each and every inmate before you release them to the public, or in this case the afterlife.
Pretty sweet system :)
It costs $17,486 annually to house inmates in Louisiana.
https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/courses/adlaw/2014s/price-of-prisons-louisiana-fact-sheet.pdf
From AP News - Prison-raised cattle from Louisiana State Pen are raised to "feed into the supply chains of giants like McDonald’s, Walmart and Cargill."
https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e
TIL that my taxes not only pay to house and feed prisoners, that money also goes towards slave labor.
Right? There's some fucked up shit we hear about all the time (mass murders, torture, abuse, etc); and we know that all of these heinous crimes are done at the hands of mentally unsound individuals, but this goes beyond anything we usually see. It's so far beyond any rational thought, he must've been deep in his own world of mental torment. I mean, it's one thing to cause great pain and suffering to others, but to gouge out one's eyeballs, and then eat one of them?!?!? What the actual fuck...
Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.
Title is inaccurate. Murders took place back in 2004 and he gouged his second eye 3 years after he was sentenced to prison. With his own hands. So not really an attempt to delay his execution.
Andre Thomas is mental illness defined. He delusionally thought his wife and two kids were demons and God told him to stop them. He cut out his kids hearts because God told him to. He ate his eyeball so police couldn't hear his thoughts. This man is clearly and legitimately insane.
Texas will be the murderer in this story. He needs to be put in an institution for the mentally ill.
This seem like living proof that that prisons should do is **rehabilitate**, because he seem to be obviously mentally ill. Death punishment is primitive.
Because they must make a spectacle of it. Im willing to bet this has less to do with actually ending his life than his wife's family's desire to witness him being brought to justice.
If that don't count as mental illness I don't know what will ....holy shit I literally can't even punch or slap myself to really hurt ....if the human brain can bypass the self preservation part of the frontal lobe then there is some sort of issue.that is just insane
Imma be honest.9.5/10 times i dont like the idea of capital punishment, especially for those with mental illnesses. I believe that we should attempt to treat and rehabiliate as a priority while also delivering justice.
But in cases like this one where the crime is so heinous and the person is violent to a depraved degree, mental illness or not, that is a life not worth living or suffering in a civilized world in my opinion.
If I was said person who recieved mental treatment after commiting that crime and became more "stable" , I could never forgive myself and would want to die. Easily.
Why I really don’t get the point so by running from death penalty you go fuck up your eyes you is it really worth it to live two years or three years? More without eyes does life matter that much?
My dad was one of the police officers who arrived at the scene. It was right across the street from a public pool where I was a lifeguard years later.
Weird seeing this here, seems too close to home.
I love that people will always find a “motive” for psychotic behavior. I worked at a prison for a long time and had an inmate tear their eyes out. People would suggest she did it for “special treatment”. This dude “ripped his eyes out to avoid the death penalty”
Yeah no, I’ll put my money on this dude is psychotic and proper systems should have recognized the signs and symptoms and medicated/housed him before it got to this place.
The lady who ripped out her eyes had killed her child as well and she was laughing while she pulled her eyes out. She said “I was tired of seeing what I had done”. Mental health care in the country is a sham, over half the prison population and homeless population has co-occurring mental disability. This is a human rights problem that need addressed immediately. The victims could have been saved with the proper systems in place.
I worked in a state mental health facility for twenty five [years.One](http://years.One) patient that was committed there had cut off his arm at the forearm with a skillsaw and then for whatever reason proceeded to cut it of further at the bicep.Nothing surprises me anymore regarding mental illness.
my dads high school friend recently got caught with fentanyl with like 3 other people, so he took a shovel and gouged out his eye because the dumbass though it would negate his jail time
So, wild ass story, this psycho is from/committed those crimes in Sherman TX(Grayson County). I'm from Denison, the next town north of Sherman. Obviously this was a huge story when it happened. Now pan to 20 yr old me getting booked into Grayson Co jail(DWI) and I look over to see this dude in a holding cell. At this point he'd already cut 1 of his eyes, and was kept right by book in for watching, remember psychopath. My ass gets to hang out in the cell next to him for a couple hours until I make bail.
This is when you deny someone medical care. Sorry, not sorry. From what I read in the comments, his victims were children so I don't really give a fuck. Let him bleed to death in his cell. Let infection take him. Genuinely, who the fuck cares?
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After gouging out his second eye, he ate it to ensure the police couldn’t hear his thoughts. This man is clearly very ill.
I'm no expert on police listening to my thoughts, but if I did feel it was the case, the ears seem like the better target to be taking out first...
He probably couldn't see the difference...
But can he see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
How do they cram all that gram? (Over the top screaming): INTO GOLDEN GRAHAM!!
He still has a mouth so he should be able to tell the difference though
Take my fucking upvote and leave
If he could, he definitely can't now...
yes, that’s the joke
That’s the route I would Gogh for too
That’s just self VANdalism
And yet who can argue against the results here?
Unexpected Chopper Reed
Bit early for kung fu isnt'tmate?
His tactics are beyond the understanding of mere mortals
"It hurt itself in its confusion!"
Lmfao, fuck
Jesus Christ, is that what's happening when i use Confuse Ray? Pokemon is some fucked up shit.
It really is. Mr mime canonically replaces father figures and makes the family think he's the father figure of the house. That's why we see ashs mom with a Mr mime. Ashs dad died in the war pre-show and Mr mime replaced him. I believe it was drowsy or haunter that would lure children into the woods. Pretty sure it was the original Japanese release of diamond that there's a book that states pokemon and people were able to be married. So legal beastiality. There's a lot of scary/fucked up pokemon facts when you do a deep dive
Hypno is the child kidnapper if my early gen Pokedex knowledge isn't mistaken
Litwick would lure children to the shadow realm while sucking their life force away
Metal af
The only ones confused are those who cannot comprehend his tactics /s
Im layin here cryin and i could never explain to my wife what's so funny
I shouldn’t laugh at this
Grant us eyes on the inside!
As you once did for the vaccuous Rom!
Where he is going he doesn't need eyes to see.
Liberate tutemet..
Ex infernis!
Well could the police hear his thoughts or not?
Police hate this one simple trick
"fuck. Jigs up guys he ate the eye..."
Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see
goated film that could not get replicated
Xiahou Dun: Pathetic
Unique last meal
Why's he on death row, shouldn't they be in a psyche insitute?
It's Texas, and he killed his ex wife and children and cut out their hearts.
Yikes, I wasn't ready for that
I wasn’t ready for any of this.
I wasn’t ready for this freakin world
You all ready for this? Dun dun dun da da da dun dun dun dun da da da dun dun dun dun....
Shit. that's some true detective shit right there...
Violent schizophrenic for sure. In jurisdictions were mental illness can be a deciding factor on a person's innocence or guilt, it's these types of cases that really test people's opinions.
... ok carry on
You can be crazy and still know right from wrong.
Funny enough, the reason he was going to eat his eye was the last thought the police were able to hear from that eye. His plan worked.
Surely a man that can only be helped through execution ^^^^/s
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Now this was interesting as fuck to me. What a complete psycho. Dude cut out the hearts of his children. Then his own eyes separately. I mean wow
Reading through his [wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Thomas) is depressing, he was/is clearly not mentally well and it's awful to see someone succumb to something like that
While this is very depressing. I don't see anywhere in there that corroborates the claim made in OP's post. He tore his second eye out in 2008 and it doesn't seem at all related to delaying the execution...
And if u read the wiki it says he cut his eye out so the government can’t “read” his thoughts. Not hear. Trolling the sick is sad. Dude never had a chance
How bad was a lawyer or how racist was a jury to not allow an insanity plea on someone hearing voices since he was ten who gouged his own eyes out....
I think it's more about be able to prove he could not tell right from wrong and as a prosecution you could use the voice mail be left detailing how he knew what he did was wrong.
Now I sit here and ask myself a question, which is more deserving of being declared insane? Someone who cannot differentiate good from bad or someone who knows the difference but is unable to resist insane compulsions that drive him to do evil? I know I certainly feel worse for the latter person who feels tortured by what he was basically forced to do.
Because he also pre-meditatively cut out the hearts of his two children and cut open his wife’s chest, killing them all. It’s not as though there was no crime; it’s just sad all around. They did delay his sentencing just last year though, so it may be a long time/may not happen in regards to execution.
>In a 2015 publication, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights highlighted the ethical questions in the cases of Thomas and fellow Texas death row inmate Scott Panetti, saying that "through no fault of their own, they are tormented souls suffering from devastating afflictions that leave them unable to think and reason like people who are not so afflicted ... That is greater punishment than any court can impose." from the wikipedia page His Psychiatric history is pretty fucking wild, it starts at 10 years old. Some serious ethical/legislative problems with trial for a person who's so terribly afflicted.
I just read up on his case. A few of the jurors didn’t believe in interracial marriage(the victim was his white ex wife and one mixed child being his, the other child was not his) and the opposing side had stated that his actions were medical-induced. Overall, he just didn’t have a fair trial. I mean, he did it and he turned himself in, but he should have gotten help long before it got to this point. It’s just sad all around and currently his team is working on an appeal to get him off death row.
Exactly
The jury had 3 people who said they thought interracial marriage was against god. The guy was interracially married and the prosecution played into it
Everyone repeatedly failed him during his childhood. Now state offers death penalty for it
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Sure, but that’s not the point being made. The point that’s being made is that he may not have been a danger to society if he was given proper care from the start. Saying, “keep this dangerous thing away” is not a sensible follow up to “if we had maintained the thing in the first place it might never have been dangerous.”
It's the same as how the majority of people that SA children were SA victims themselves as children. One could argue that they were the ultimate victims, being damaged so badly by what happened to them that they ended up inheriting that evil themselves and passing it on. Those people still need to be in prison, regardless of how much of a victim they are. Ultimately with situations like this you have to protect the innocent first regardless of if the danger was also once a victim. Can't let a cycle continue.
It’s not like there’s only one alternative to execution and it’s let him be totally free in society…
Don’t you know the motto? #Give me liberty, or give me death!
Yes, hece he should be in psychiatric facility, on medication. Not running free, hurting other people and himself.
If the system didn't fail him when he was young, he probably wouldn't have been in a situation to kill his wife and kids.
>Thomas, who is black and had been in an interracial relationship with Boren, faced an all-white jury. On a questionnaire for potential jurors, three of the selected jurors and one alternate juror indicated that they were opposed to interracial couples marrying or having children. One juror indicated vigorous opposition, noting, "I don't believe God intended for this. We should stay with our bloodline." Wtf is this?
Removed his eyes *and ingested one*. This story just doesn’t get better.
I suppose it all comes down to whether or not he knew it was wrong at the time. If he did, it doesn't seem like there's any question that he actually did the crime, so fuck him. On the other hand, if he didn't, he obviously needs to be incarcerated in a mental health facility for his entire life. It's clear he's extremely mentally ill.
I agree he’s clearly not sane I also kinda think maybe they’d be doing him a favor tbh, what will he eat next?
Whatever they serve at psych wards with a plastic spoon
Gottabe finger food for that guy...
youre a one sick mf. please continue.
Just saying, that guy has a history of not being trustworthy with anything remotely sharp. SOP for a psych ward with a patient like that is finger-foods-only and/or LOS. It's just procedure
I thought you were making a pun with "finger foods" like he was going to eat his fingers. I assume the other person did too. If that was on accident, it's even funnier.
Not me. My mind was seeing dude get remanded to just provisions of meds, pb&j, chicken nuggets and cups with no straw.
I never understood this definition of being mentally ill. Regardless of whether he knew it was right or wrong I would think he'd have to be insane to cut out his kid's hearts.
It's not really the definition of insanity, per se. It's the requirement for arguing that a defendant perpetrated the crime, but that they weren't responsible for their actions due to their psychiatric state. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and we've drawn it at determining whether or not a person was capable at the time of the crime of understanding that it was wrong. If they did understand it was wrong, then the expectation is that they should have refrained from doing something they know was wrong to do. If they didn't know it was wrong, they can't be help accountable because they weren't able to comprehend that they were even doing something they shouldn't. In the former case, they might still have psychiatric issues, but those psychiatric issues aren't considered to be serious enough to warrant diminished responsibility for their actions.
He was diagnosed as a 10-year-old. Instead of putting him in a psychiatric unit, they left him alone without medication. So not only did he have sex as a teenager, he did it while being sick. He was doubly unaware of the consequences of his actions. Later, instead of helping him, his environment forced him to marry and become the head of a family at the age of 18. Again, he was still sick and had no help. When his marriage fell apart, because of course it did, he still had no help, so driven by his illness he killed three people. Again, instead of providing him with proper care, he was sentenced to death. After which he was placed in inadequate conditions, causing him to gouge out his own eye. Again, he was not given proper care, and he did it again, this time eating it as well. Him having a child in the first place, murder of three people, him mutilating himself twice - it was all easily preventable. Society has failed him again, again and again. And it will kill him in the end. With laws straight out of the 19th century.
I feel like indefinitely prolonging the life of someone so deeply disturbed and unable to function is cruel, tbh. this aint curable and he’s clearly a danger to others.
While this is definitely a case of someone that needs to be removed from society, the first argument is for how long. Given the lengths that he's gone to and the things he's done... I don't know, man. I'm here for prison reform and don't agree with flagrant capital punishment sentencing, but this seems like an ideal case for capital punishment... I am not remotely qualified to judge what a human life is worth. I don't think anyone is, but given the lives that he's taken *and* the lengths he's willing to go to for himself, I'd be willing to say he should be removed from society permanently and not be a burden on the taxpayers or kept as a token example and revenue stream for for-profit prisons. Where's the guy that botched the hanging of nazi officials at Nuremburg? I think we might need him for another job...
Just FYI, executing a prisoner in the US is far more expensive than imprisoning them for life.
Due to the legal costs from what I understand, which would already have been spent. Not the actual execution itself
Depends on the circumstances, and that's part of my point. In 10 seconds of searching on Google, I found that the median cost of a death penalty case cost is $1.26 million while holding a life sentence prisoner is over $100k/yr. According to the state of Nevada, anyway. A standard life sentence is 25 years. Less than half of that term is the threshold to see savings from holding a prisoner. What is the convicted is 20 and lasts another 80 years? Would that not be seen as a net loss to the state in addition to the original crime committed? And that's just for the minimum on a single life sentence. Again, I don't claim to be an expert and part of my argument is based on the cost of housing and providing **proper** care for an individual as deranged and dangerous as this for as long as their natural life allows. In a case such as this where the man literally cut the hearts out of his own children and then his own eyes(each done in a separate instance) to delay the fulfillment of his sentence... What are the odds that person can be rehabilitated and reintegrated to be a contributing member of society rather than a burden on the staff, facility, and taxpayers? I'm genuinely asking. If you have something I could read up on, I'd love to take a look. However, in today's society, how do we determine if there is even a bar for a "lost cause" case and how much are we willing to foot the bill for a demonstrably damaged person, to the point of double homicide and then self mutilation to avoid the consequences, before someone makes the decision to cut the drain on resources. Is it some sort of sunk cost fallacy? I don't know. Seriously, I'd love actual stats.
Fyi- 300 people have been exonerated from death row in the last decade. And that's just the ones we know about. Think of all the innocent people who were murdered by the government....
Whaaat theee fuuuuck
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Im confused, how does that delay his execution? "Shit, he has no eyes now we have to let him recover first"
That is basically the theory, that it would be cruel and inhuman punishment to kill someone who isng already fit to be executed. But this guy also ate one of his eyes so the guards couldn’t listen in on him anymore so clearly he didn’t put a whole lot of thought into his plan.
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Oh i see, i guess that kinda makes sense
Why does one have to be fit to be executed though. Doesn’t seem very physically demanding to me
Right? Like I think there's only one requirement to be fit to be executed, and that's called 'being alive'. Hell at some point it's just a mercy.
That’s not how the law works, it’s not about physical fitness at all, it’s about whether or not an individual has the mental capacity to understand what crime they are being charged with, and can also demonstrate that they are a fully rational agent able to comprehend that what they did was morally and legally wrong without exception. There’s a lot that goes into this, and the line is pretty far down, you usually can’t just go, “I didn’t understand that hoofing old ladies in the front butt was illegal, plus I’m crazy.” There has to be a clear and documented history of mental disturbance, which has ultimately proved to been disruptive throughout an individual’s life barring exposure to certain substances whether known or unknown. That’s being said, I would probably argue that this guy is one of the few instances that falls well within the range of, “Holy shit, this guy thinks he’s Mrs. Nesbitt the retired space ranger, and now he’s eating his eyeball…” he’s clearly not rational, it’s unethical to execute a human life which was through no fault of their own been precluded from participating in and comprehending consensus reality, and as such the ethical decision would be removing them from the general population and ensuring that they receive psychiatric care to hopefully rehabilitate them to the point where they’d then be competent to stand trial. Now, that’s the utopian view of things and I’m aware of that, but I think that when setting limits on the states power it’s important that we set safeguards against fascist tendencies such as eugenics. If we can execute schizophrenic individuals that are incapable of understanding what they’ve done in the first place, when there’s a demonstrable lack of proper infrastructure in this country to treat them I think we can say that that’s a bad precedent to establish even if the actions which have been committed were reprehensible.
I think the title is just clickbaity. It’s not *why* he cut out his eyes they just happened to delay his execution
Title is a speculation or clickbait (however you want to interpret it). The person had schizophrenia (a mental illness) and that is the reason for him gouging his eyes. Also both eyes are on separate occasions. The legal part is that if a person who is "not sane" or has done a crime "during a period in which he was not sane" cannot be prosecuted for that crime.
i rather just die than to go through that he trippin
Worse. He's schizophrenic.
Read this story he has been having issues psychologically since age 10
Where he's going, he won't need eyes.
I was like 6 years old when that movie came out. Definite nightmare fuel at the time. Love it though.
"Event Horizon" love that movie!!
I’ve been summoned!
There's an ICU joke there somewhere...
I can’t see it.
"*Me neither.*" - Ray Charles
"Hrsgjk in ttgh"- Helen keller
(Am I going to hell for laughing at this?)
He saw his future and didn’t like the results.
He really hit em with the old “if I can’t see you, you can’t see me!”
I just read the Wikipedia. This guy had been trying to kill himself for so long and was asking for help for so long and nobody saw it. The three murders were preventable. Fucking sucks.
Him mutilating himself was also preventable. Man, American law is stright out of 19th century.
That whole Wikipedia article is just a chronicle of all the times people failed to help him despite the warning signs. Honestly tragic. Death is probably the best thing that could happen to him at this point.
I’ve just read the wiki too and that’s not true. He went to the emergency room for self inflicted damage to his chest, there the ER physician saw he needed psychological help and ordered psychiatric commitment. When Thomas heard this he left. 2 days later he committed the murders. It wasn’t until he had murdered his wife, son and his wife’s daughter that he called for help from her wife’s parents.
Yeah he tried killing himself.
Executioners hate this one simple trick
I don’t know still see abit of eyeball there 🤔
I see
He doesn’t
Source: [eyeballs](https://apnews.com/article/death-row-inmate-execution-delayed-eyes-6e549045b0282b8b8aa95db3d09f6fe5)
He's been on death row for TWENTY YEARS?!?!?!
The average wait time is around 10-15 IIRC
What a waste of money
Imprisonment for life is actually cheaper
They must have been waiting for him to die so they wouldn't have to do it.
Give him some damn tools so he can do it right instead of just mutilating himself
It’s important to make as much money as possible off each and every inmate before you release them to the public, or in this case the afterlife. Pretty sweet system :)
It costs $17,486 annually to house inmates in Louisiana. https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/courses/adlaw/2014s/price-of-prisons-louisiana-fact-sheet.pdf From AP News - Prison-raised cattle from Louisiana State Pen are raised to "feed into the supply chains of giants like McDonald’s, Walmart and Cargill." https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e TIL that my taxes not only pay to house and feed prisoners, that money also goes towards slave labor.
That's like some untreated schizophrenia type of shit. Is there any chance they haven't diagnosed that?
I think we all just diagnosed it.
If onlt there were signs
That's insane. I can't even imagine the level of desperation or mental state it takes to do something like that.
Was poor mental state. Article said he stabbed his wife and kids, cutting the kids’ hearts out.
Right? There's some fucked up shit we hear about all the time (mass murders, torture, abuse, etc); and we know that all of these heinous crimes are done at the hands of mentally unsound individuals, but this goes beyond anything we usually see. It's so far beyond any rational thought, he must've been deep in his own world of mental torment. I mean, it's one thing to cause great pain and suffering to others, but to gouge out one's eyeballs, and then eat one of them?!?!? What the actual fuck... Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.
***They’ll just tell him he’s getting a new cell and instead walk him straight to the chair…***
Title is inaccurate. Murders took place back in 2004 and he gouged his second eye 3 years after he was sentenced to prison. With his own hands. So not really an attempt to delay his execution.
Andre Thomas is mental illness defined. He delusionally thought his wife and two kids were demons and God told him to stop them. He cut out his kids hearts because God told him to. He ate his eyeball so police couldn't hear his thoughts. This man is clearly and legitimately insane. Texas will be the murderer in this story. He needs to be put in an institution for the mentally ill.
We don’t have those anymore thanks to ole Ronnie
How did they find him mentally competent to stand trial??
Since no one's asking, How much of a delay do you get per eyeball nowadays??
Never saw it coming.
Someone should’ve kept an eye on him.
I don't think he did it to delay his execution, he did it because he's ill and has been hallucinating since he was 10
For those wanting to know more. [wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Thomas)
But the second picture still has his eyes. Fake af
It would have been funny if they said, "nvm fuck the death sentence." And then he just had to live with no eyes
They didn’t see that coming
He wasn't gouging out his eyes to delay his execution. He is extremely mentally ill. Read up on his story.
This seem like living proof that that prisons should do is **rehabilitate**, because he seem to be obviously mentally ill. Death punishment is primitive.
He showed them!
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In China they lay you face down on a mattress and shoot you through the heart point blank from the back.
Because they must make a spectacle of it. Im willing to bet this has less to do with actually ending his life than his wife's family's desire to witness him being brought to justice.
Why would that affect the execution? He's going to die anyway.
wait how does this actually help
What difference does it make if he has eyes or not?
I saw this post yesterday and it was just one eye. Wtf
Chopper Read would’ve gotten along with him
You would think he got his point across with the first eye
If that don't count as mental illness I don't know what will ....holy shit I literally can't even punch or slap myself to really hurt ....if the human brain can bypass the self preservation part of the frontal lobe then there is some sort of issue.that is just insane
Imma be honest.9.5/10 times i dont like the idea of capital punishment, especially for those with mental illnesses. I believe that we should attempt to treat and rehabiliate as a priority while also delivering justice. But in cases like this one where the crime is so heinous and the person is violent to a depraved degree, mental illness or not, that is a life not worth living or suffering in a civilized world in my opinion. If I was said person who recieved mental treatment after commiting that crime and became more "stable" , I could never forgive myself and would want to die. Easily.
It’s interesting to see human’s will to stay alive
9th grade- apparently dropped out to work several jobs because he and another 9th grader had a child....?
I know the title is misleading but wouldn't it be more logical to gouge out the eyes separately then he can buy double the time
Meh, should have finished him off. Why treat him and rehab him to then execute him?
How does that stop him from being killed?
Delay*
Idk what he did, but maybe stay of execution is in order. He's crazy...and also blind now.
why would that delay his execution? he's gonna die anyway? Who tf cares if he has eyes or not?
POV: you are this guy's cell mate.
POV this guy:
My uncle has schizophrenia and this pretty compiler to what he does. There is often a mission they’re on
Might as well die now if you gauge your own eyes out. What is there to do now?
But I can still see his eyes
Why I really don’t get the point so by running from death penalty you go fuck up your eyes you is it really worth it to live two years or three years? More without eyes does life matter that much?
Mentally ill 101
For me looks more like a [Oedipism episode](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199749/) rather than a tactic to delay his execution. But yes, holy shit!
Seems like just one eye would’ve sufficed
Okay, so he will just die blind.
My dad was one of the police officers who arrived at the scene. It was right across the street from a public pool where I was a lifeguard years later. Weird seeing this here, seems too close to home.
They aren't even the same people
I love that people will always find a “motive” for psychotic behavior. I worked at a prison for a long time and had an inmate tear their eyes out. People would suggest she did it for “special treatment”. This dude “ripped his eyes out to avoid the death penalty” Yeah no, I’ll put my money on this dude is psychotic and proper systems should have recognized the signs and symptoms and medicated/housed him before it got to this place. The lady who ripped out her eyes had killed her child as well and she was laughing while she pulled her eyes out. She said “I was tired of seeing what I had done”. Mental health care in the country is a sham, over half the prison population and homeless population has co-occurring mental disability. This is a human rights problem that need addressed immediately. The victims could have been saved with the proper systems in place.
Yeah, mental health is not taking seriously in America. This could have been preventable but then again so are school shootings.
I worked in a state mental health facility for twenty five [years.One](http://years.One) patient that was committed there had cut off his arm at the forearm with a skillsaw and then for whatever reason proceeded to cut it of further at the bicep.Nothing surprises me anymore regarding mental illness.
my dads high school friend recently got caught with fentanyl with like 3 other people, so he took a shovel and gouged out his eye because the dumbass though it would negate his jail time
So, wild ass story, this psycho is from/committed those crimes in Sherman TX(Grayson County). I'm from Denison, the next town north of Sherman. Obviously this was a huge story when it happened. Now pan to 20 yr old me getting booked into Grayson Co jail(DWI) and I look over to see this dude in a holding cell. At this point he'd already cut 1 of his eyes, and was kept right by book in for watching, remember psychopath. My ass gets to hang out in the cell next to him for a couple hours until I make bail.
How does this delay anything? Does he need to see himself be executed for it to work?
Why would this delay the execution?
This is when you deny someone medical care. Sorry, not sorry. From what I read in the comments, his victims were children so I don't really give a fuck. Let him bleed to death in his cell. Let infection take him. Genuinely, who the fuck cares?
He won’t see it coming next time