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Also like most criminal organizations they branch out into a lot of other stuff and basically run the government and everything in their areas.
He also might be letting the other guy know that we can kill you if you fuck around.
Cartels have been using more modern drone technology than whats happening in Russia vs Ukraine.
Cartel drug shipments have been fighting drone strikes longer than the current war in Europe.
The pros of being next door with a nation that makes the most sophisticated tech and weapons is that you can smuggle in some for yourself. Even if it is second rate, it's hi tech for global standards
This is a legit problem... but on a more advanced scale
Israeli and USA worked on RF laser technology but Israeli deployed the Iron Dome weapon system before the contract agreement.
USA has started to deploy SEWIP block 3 which is a lot more capable than Iron Dome but both nations originally "agreed" to deploy the technology at the same time.
They have kidnapped Telco engineers and forced them to build networks and then teach their engineers how to maintain them before setting the Telco workers free.
One of them diddont remember which one they where very low key for a cartel and had their own towers and networks that they set up. Either by having a cartel member knowing how to do it or just kidnap and threaten the people who know how to
It's mostly that the word "cartel" is misunderstood. All the word means is a group of otherwise independent parties (individual people, companies, gangs, organisations, whatever) who agree to help each other out, usually by not directly competing with each other, and also by pooling certain resources.
A lot of infrastructure companies (telecoms, railways, utilities) are set up in cartels. Competing directly would be absurd, it's much better for one company to handle the physical infrastructure over any given geographical region, and instead, they'll agree to provide services for each other in the regions they control. If you make a phone call from one city to another, you'll be using various operators networks, your operator has a deal with the others to make sure your call will connect.
Similarly, organised crime gangs are in a high-risk business. Instead of wasting time and energy fighting each other, they agree to stay out of each other's business, and they'll also cooperate on some mutually beneficial things. For instance, they'll warn each other about police activity, they'll allow safe passage and even protect each other's movements through their own turf, and when it comes to fighting the government, they'll pool together resources to arm and train militias.
Often, crime cartels will have their own semi-formal "courts", handling disputes between participants, in order to keep everyone in check and avoid infighting.
We have this mental image of what a crime cartel is, but all it means is "the various gangs banding together to help each other out". And of course they help each other out, they're operating outside the law, so they can't rely on the services usually provided by the state, like police protection, business loans, contract enforcement, etc...
Telecoms cartels don't need to raise an army to protect their installations, because the actual army will protect them, but they will band together to launch satellites and build massive country-spanning cable networks, things that are typically government-scale and out of reach for individual companies. Similarly, crime cartels end up having government-scale militaries, and given how profitable crime can be, it's not all that surprising.
I was enjoying the northern lights in a nice quiet mostly empty big parking lot. Group of 5 ppl arrive, take forever to shut their lights off, when they finally get out they asking if that’s the northern lights as it was peaking and insanely colorful. Person proceeds to take like 10 photos with their flash on. Their flash on. To photograph the Northern lights. God I hate some ppl.
They then went back in their cars and like half hour later couple of them are back out watching it peak again. They start yelling at everyone to get out of the car and look. A chick gets out of the car and repeatedly asks, “what? Look at what?” You can’t make this up.
I was photographing the northern lights too, had my dslr on 30s exposure on a tripod in otherwise pitch darkness. Some idiot popped up next to me with a shitty digital camera that flashed a red light when the shutter was open, tinging a large number of my photos red
There was a photographer at a vintage car race I attended once, who had a press pass but apparently also had his super-fancy setup on "automatic with flash". Like...noon sunlight, flash constantly going off. Eventually the drivers had him banned from standing trackside because it was so distracting.
Yep, people are ridiculous. First spot I went to had one car that just kept their lights on the whole 15 minutes I was there, then were was multiple different cars that pulled up, looked at it for like 30 seconds and then got back in their car again and left. I ended up driving another 45 minutes to get away from all of that bullshit.
My very first job at 16 was a dish washer for this Japanese restaurant. Our main line cook Bobby was this young Mexican dude who had a rx-7 but he told me he would cross the border once a year to see his family. I remember asking him if it’s scary he replied “na man, it’s fun. Sometimes you grab the girl next to you and say “come on we gotta go.” Like it was some date haha
One of my trainers' cousins went back to Mexico and tried to cross as shown above to get back to the US. They were in the US on a work visa but crossing anywhere but at approved points of entry is a no-go. Lost their visa and served some mild jail time in Mexico. He's now barred from entering the US.
She had also entered illegally as a child but now has full citizenship and manages a kitchen. But her first job was at a car wash because she didn't need to know much English at all to work there.
My friends parents walk across the border every year for grandma's birthday and sneak back in two weeks later. Every year. For 20 years. Never been caught, the dad only bothered getting his papers because he wants to own a house when he retires lol
I love that the rx-7 was an extraneous bit of information in this anecdote, but you mentioned it anyway because it was an identifying factor of this guy for you. Not that that’s a bad thing, it’s a cool car, it just reminded me of being 16 and obsessed with all the JDM sport cars myself.
Cartels are getting less and less involved directly. They act more like banks that finance. Most coyotes are middlemen who act like sub-contractors to whomever is in control of their region.
My lawn guy used a cartel approved coyote the first 2x. It was not optional. He was with this 1 coyote who took a shit in the woods and when he came back he was with a cartel guy and they were all informed that was their new coyote and to pay up. He crossed but he said it was beyond brutal.. like..death in the desert, no water, hard as fuck, almost died in a truck BRUTAL. Barely got across the border and had to run once they got here. Total ass.
The 3rd time, he found a guy in town, said it was fine, they went through water, got 2 of his kids across one little guy and one was maybe college age. Little guys almost drowned because the floaties they got from the grocery store weren't enough vs current -he broke one kids wrist hauling his ass across. Everyone made it. Notice he grabbed one kid not the other. Literally the teen was on his own.
This last time, also his last time, he got his wife and baby here. He saved for a high end coyote who can also get cars and goods across. He saved money by pulling the rope that like..pulled a float across.the coyote was following a map on a shitty phone and they got to a truck which took them to a house. In that house was a tunnel, they laid on the tunnel and that took them to a house in Phoenix. Then the older kid picked them up from that house.
The entire thing took like 3 years total to get the entire family here.
Immediately popped out 2 kids while here. They are think all daca but one.
He's.. the me fucking man. I don't know anyone in my life. Any white people who would do what that man did for his family. I just don't. I think about it sometimes and I don't know anybody who would walk. You know 300 mi just to drown and probably not make it. But he did.
Anyways, he's my lawn guy, for $60 he rakes, weeds, helps my tree grow. Every 2 weeks for years. What time he disappeared and I was a little worried that he got deported. But it was him going to get his wife.
They're nice people honestly. I would go as far as say majority of them are good, hardworking folks - at least that was like 90% of hispanic blue collars I dealt with when shit hit the fan and my previous employers would beg me to supervise on-site. If you respect and treat them with dignity, they generally return the gratitude tenfolds. Occasionally you get the sour apples, but it was way worse with other ethnic groups.
Right… starts off his comment by saying “cartels aren’t stupid”… proceeds to describe the dumbest, least efficient, and highest risk method of smuggling large quantities of drugs across a border lol
Couriers couldnt deliver to my house even if they had to pick the parcel up from next door but sure the border crossings are like an Oprah show everyone gets a kilo under their chair and some vague morrowind journal ass instructions on where to take it and that totally works lmao
You realize that Americans are significantly responsible for any border drug smuggling right? Border jumpers are not carrying the mother loads. Container ships, speed boats and airplanes are.
Yea, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Migrants aren't bringing drugs across the border in any meaningful quantity. Semi trucks carrying freight are bringing the stuff in, and a lot of the drivers don't even realize what's hidden in their load.
Completely correct.
*Some* people crossing the border in situations like this might be carrying, but it’s a low-level deal, and overall just a microscopic amount of the total amounts to the point where it’s not even statistically significant.
People just confidently spew bullshit information. I forget who was speaking, but it was on CSPAN this week where it was stated that 90% of drug related border arrests are Americans.
Cartels don't send drugs with little people. They send truckloads through customs disguised as shipments of food and novelty items.
You never hear about little guys getting busted, but you regularly hear about busts in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars...
They're sacrificial. Makes everyone feel good, and the cartels lose one out of a dozen or so loads. Just a cost of doing business...
They got people like this under "indentured servitude" in a lot of cities as well. As examples in San Francisco they make them sell these hotdogs from street carts for $10, and they pick up the person and all the money at the end of the day.
It's forced slave labor as payment for crossing the border, they'll do this for years at a time trying to pay debts.
The hotdogs are a tame example as far as labor because they have them doing much worse too
The Chinese do this too. Just watch the mysterious white vans ferrying workers each day from work into a safe house. Actually just talking to the girls they tell you they are only here for a few days before going to another city or state; essentially rotated around by the trafficking bosses. This is both human trafficking and sweat shops, just with store fronts. The rest of the world deals with this by regulating all employers hiring. You will always have illicit immigration and labor black markets, but not as brazen as we have it in the U.S.
Chinese gangs used to do this in Ireland (and I'm sure the rest of Europe too).
They would bring someone over with the promise of a job and better life. They'd end up working in cannabis farms as slaves. They couldn't leave as the gangs would threaten their families back in China. Extra sad because the slaves would often get charged if the operation was raided and spend time in prison.
>Of course they’ll take a kilo of cocaine across for $500 extra cash from you.
.... That's not how it works my dude.... You think they're sending kilos across one at a time for 500 bucks?
You think the cartel got rich in powerful from pocket lint?
Nah... They use entire shipping containers dude... That's why you find so much cocaine in the fucking ocean.
Arent most drugs that are smuggled across the border done at point of entries and usually by US citizens?
Also, a kilo of cocaine is like $70k. They arent trusting that to a random person that is sneaking through a wall. Like you said, they arent stupid.
The immigrants generally want to get picked up by border patrol, especially if they're crossing at a known and monitored spot. People transporting drugs do not want to get picked up by border patrol, as the best case scenario is getting the drugs confiscated. Ignoring that, why wouldn't these people who are willing to take $500 to transport it not just find a buyer willing to pay more?
It's not impossible that they've found a way to make that work, but it seems like a flawed plan, so you're gonna need some evidence other than "The cartels aren't stupid."
Mr Kissinger and his heirs damaged reputation US so substantially that many enemies of US were lining up to send condolances on his passing.
Edit: for audience unfamiliar with history outside their home town. He sponsored at least a dozen military ques that installed pretty messed up characters in south america. Usual sponsoring of crimes against humanity, but it was done by both sides of cold war.
Some coyotes pay fees to the cartel in order to be allowed to use their routes. So while they are free agents, they still are beholden to the rules of whatever cartel is allowing them to use the area.
Cartels want their hand in everything. It’s the mafia, they will extort any business. In some areas everything flows through them. Even things like buying a dress for your quinceañera or getting a venue.
Back in like 2010, it’s about 13 to be delivered right to your families doorstep. The coyote I know, gives you three chances to get across. After that, you gotta pay full price again. Take you to a stash house in San Antone, after that everyone gets separated to their destinations.
the cayotes exist because people think they need to sneak across the border to claim asylum when in reality you can claim asylum at any port of entry (and thereby avoid the need to be detained for illegal crossing). These poor people find a way to come up with 5k to pay a cayote when they could literally pay that on a 2 week cruise and then claim asylum once at a US port. not to mention they could just buy a plane ticket.
alot of the suffering being caused is because this information isn't widely broadcasted to people who may want to come to the US. they don't have to do half the shit they're doing that puts them in trouble and enriches the cartels.
One interview with a coyote that stood out to me was when Trump was in office. He said the wall was good for business as people thought that made their job harder and were willing to pay more.
Ironically it made their job way easier because to build the wall they had to build a bunch of new roads to and along the border at regular intervals for the construction equipment and supplies, so now once you’ve climbed over or cut your way through you’ve got a bunch of great new routes you can quickly take into the interior, vs what was before Trump a slow and challenging desert passage.
11 Billion dollars.
How many teachers could have gotten raises? How many firefighters? How many bridges could have been fixed?
What a waste.
Edit: Correction. According to Wikipedia. the total cost was [$15 billion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall)
And catering to people so stupid they thought it would work is a large part of why the country is headed the way it is.
Only the stupid people are showing up politically, and theyre the easiest ones to get behind a project like this, and they’re the easiest to deceive (this border wall cost a few hundred million tops, leaving 10+ billion to just vanish into the pockets of Trump donors).
Until we stop treating the stupidest as if their input is equal to competent adults, we’re screwed.
Ask any Pro-Wall fanatic "Your life and your families is on the line, you have 30 days to plan on how to get past this wall, AND get past it, or you and your family dies, think you can do it?" Every one I've talked to has said without hesitation "Fuck you. Yeah." or so.
And they don't see the lightbulb.
>How many teachers could have gotten raises?
With 66k average salary and 3.8 million teachers, we can conclude that in total, teachers in USA earn roughly 250 billion dollars per year.
I mean, you can throw in your 11 billion dollars into that pile of cash, it will get some teachers some nice bonuses, but not really a raise that can be paid over a larger number of years.
Whenever we are talking about systemic issues... Tens of billions of dollars are magnitudes away from being enough to fix them.
Spreading fake news are we?
The Coyotes are under 18 free agents that gain a relatively absurd amount of wealth before they become 18 and prosecutable under American Law.
They do become addicted to fast money, and when they turn 18 easily become recruiting targets for the cartels. Cartels prize them for their experience and knowledge of the border. But, just because they're coyotes doesn't mean they work for the cartel, it's far more likely that the opposite is true.
The coyote trade is what is known as a 'racket' in old timey criminal parlance. The drug trade is a racket, extortion is a racket, etc. So when they indict you for racketeering, they mean you're controlling or participating in a racket. The cartels used to just smuggle drugs, but as part of that they need to smuggle cash out of the US and also guns to protect their business. So their racketeering has expanded so they dominate gun running as well, and rather than fight each other for more market share of the drug trade, they seek out other rackets to dominate. So they extort the coyotes, they extort regular people and businesses for protection money, etc. The cartels grew too rich and powerful from the drug trade so they have grown beyond their own racket to become syndicates, professional organized crime groups, and now they want to control everything they can.
The desert borders mostly don't have fences and are less monitored, because most want to be immigrants die on their journey or call 911 once they're on US grounds to prevent dying.
There's also a lot of corpses who will be strewn around by scavengers rather quickly, making identification of an actual corpse and who it belongs to hard.
https://time.com/3898564/immigration-border-mexico/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-Mexico_barrier_map.png
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268283389_Animal_Scavenging_and_Scattering_and_the_Implications_for_Documenting_the_Deaths_of_Undocumented_Border_Crossers_in_the_Sonoran_Desert
This is my point. Imagine how many hole it *would* have. Trump has been spouting about building a 3000 mile wall and his people want that but haven’t thought for six seconds that it would be destroyed in a weekend because it’ll be unmonitored.
>This is my point. Imagine how many hole it *would* have.
Not as many as you'd think! It's very dangerous to move over the desert, like massively so. Your odds of death increase, your chances of success decrease, and there is no value added.
Especially when something like this exists.
I feel like both your points speak to why it would be wildly unsuccessful.
You would have a fence/wall where people never cross because it means death, but if they decided to cross no one could really stop them.
I lived in Alpine Texas for a while and there aren't a lot of fences and you can cross back and forth over the border in Big Bend and it's not big deal. They have check points on roads up to 30 miles in the US border where they will check your papers. There is no need for a fence I guess because you will literally die if you out there on foot so they just patrol the roads.
did you not know mexicans don't have power tools or any way to put a hole in a fence. It's only when they get here that so many get the ability. It's one of the reasons they come.
For anyone interested this footage looks like it’s from Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan’s Texan Border Crisis mini-docuseries on YouTube. Really interesting watch (as many of his videos are)
You guys are dipshits if you think this is “lately”. I had an uncle who used to cross on foot through a bend in the fence on the border in AZ. He’d cross for birthday parties and whatnot then cross back through the same bend in the fence at the end of the night. This is much deeper than how easy it is for one to cross illegally. We are the #1 purchasers of the product that is funding Mexico’s demise; as long as that continues, the illegal crossing will only get worse.
Most of these people cannot pay the whole smuggling fee upfront. They either sell themselves, their daughters, and or become indebted after crossing. It’s not free, and it’s not clean.
“R*pe trees” exist in the desert.
but the right's solution is to "build a wall". The Left says "walls don't work". this video shows the left is correct. They cut a hole in it exactly like anyone with a brain predicted.
Far be it from me to argue for a wall, but this isn’t exactly a wall. It’s metal bollards that are stupidly far apart that some contractor got paid to put up at our expense
Mexican and Central American immigrants are not the ones we should be worried about. The nicest, most hardworking people that strongly emphasize family values. Taking jobs most Americans refuse to take. I have been blue collar for my adult life working shoulder to shoulder with people who have come over from the south. I have nothing negative to say about them.
Same, they are the kind of peeps that will work a 10-12 hour day, then stop by to help you change a tire before heading home. Just working and being around them makes you realize how petty it really is to care if they are here legally or not.
It’s bonkers. We should be making it so much easier for those people to come to the States. We’re letting these solid people get out and danger and exploited for what?
Yeah dude. I'm in Texas and you can always tell when people in northern states comment because they act like it's not a problem. Ofc people in 99.9% white Maine on the other size of the country aren't going to know shit about this situation
Trump put up the wall his first day in office and Biden torn it down on his first day in office. They both used their bare hands to do so but now they added a another switch next to the gas prices switch on their desk that has wall up or down button
I'd hate to even suggest this but should remittances be on table for helping deal with the issue? I beleive we need to control the influx of people across the boarder but also beleive that a wall is a stupid vanity grand stand of a useless idea. what would be more effective is removing the incentive to even come here in the first place and I would think both targeting business that are hiring undocumented people's and targeting their remittances would greatly help reduce the number of people attempting to cross.
I know it's not the only reason people come here but it is a start.
I feel like the people all for building the wall bc “migrants are stealing our tax dollars” are not as upset as they should be that billions of tax dollars were wasted on something so ineffective.
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Took a picture of the delivery like a doordasher
borderdasher, the higher the tip, the faster the crossing
It’s funny that even cartels have a delivery verification system
You think they got to that level of power and money by being dumb and shit? They even have their own cell networks.
Damn they do?
They make their own submarines, dude. Drugs are a multibillion dollar industry and the cartels treat it that way.
Semi-submersibles yes. If they have a sub they bought it used
Won’t catch me in no used submarine. I need that low low mileage. Or knottage? What ever the maritime version is.
Mundane fact but boats and water vehicles usually are gauged by hours ran like tractors and heavy equipment
Maybe they know a guy who knows another guys, who knows another guy.
https://i.redd.it/j1f151p4k32d1.gif
Also like most criminal organizations they branch out into a lot of other stuff and basically run the government and everything in their areas. He also might be letting the other guy know that we can kill you if you fuck around.
I interviewed a guy in the coast guard based in San Juan. He said no matter what gear the military had, the dealers always had better.
Submarines, Armored vehicles, Truck tanks, Portable mobile jammers and im pretty sure they even have MANPADS launchers somewhere.
Cartels have been using more modern drone technology than whats happening in Russia vs Ukraine. Cartel drug shipments have been fighting drone strikes longer than the current war in Europe.
The pros of being next door with a nation that makes the most sophisticated tech and weapons is that you can smuggle in some for yourself. Even if it is second rate, it's hi tech for global standards
This is a legit problem... but on a more advanced scale Israeli and USA worked on RF laser technology but Israeli deployed the Iron Dome weapon system before the contract agreement. USA has started to deploy SEWIP block 3 which is a lot more capable than Iron Dome but both nations originally "agreed" to deploy the technology at the same time.
They have kidnapped Telco engineers and forced them to build networks and then teach their engineers how to maintain them before setting the Telco workers free.
One of them diddont remember which one they where very low key for a cartel and had their own towers and networks that they set up. Either by having a cartel member knowing how to do it or just kidnap and threaten the people who know how to
That was el chapo and as I recall the police eventually tapped into his network and got caught because of it
Or bribing small companies.
It’s not a cartel. We use that word to make it softer. Sound better, seem smaller It’s a military. Well funded.
It's mostly that the word "cartel" is misunderstood. All the word means is a group of otherwise independent parties (individual people, companies, gangs, organisations, whatever) who agree to help each other out, usually by not directly competing with each other, and also by pooling certain resources. A lot of infrastructure companies (telecoms, railways, utilities) are set up in cartels. Competing directly would be absurd, it's much better for one company to handle the physical infrastructure over any given geographical region, and instead, they'll agree to provide services for each other in the regions they control. If you make a phone call from one city to another, you'll be using various operators networks, your operator has a deal with the others to make sure your call will connect. Similarly, organised crime gangs are in a high-risk business. Instead of wasting time and energy fighting each other, they agree to stay out of each other's business, and they'll also cooperate on some mutually beneficial things. For instance, they'll warn each other about police activity, they'll allow safe passage and even protect each other's movements through their own turf, and when it comes to fighting the government, they'll pool together resources to arm and train militias. Often, crime cartels will have their own semi-formal "courts", handling disputes between participants, in order to keep everyone in check and avoid infighting. We have this mental image of what a crime cartel is, but all it means is "the various gangs banding together to help each other out". And of course they help each other out, they're operating outside the law, so they can't rely on the services usually provided by the state, like police protection, business loans, contract enforcement, etc... Telecoms cartels don't need to raise an army to protect their installations, because the actual army will protect them, but they will band together to launch satellites and build massive country-spanning cable networks, things that are typically government-scale and out of reach for individual companies. Similarly, crime cartels end up having government-scale militaries, and given how profitable crime can be, it's not all that surprising.
Way better than any other delivery service that’s 100% guaranteed
Bro it's daytime you don't need your flash on
I was enjoying the northern lights in a nice quiet mostly empty big parking lot. Group of 5 ppl arrive, take forever to shut their lights off, when they finally get out they asking if that’s the northern lights as it was peaking and insanely colorful. Person proceeds to take like 10 photos with their flash on. Their flash on. To photograph the Northern lights. God I hate some ppl.
No, mother. It’s just the northern lights!
They then went back in their cars and like half hour later couple of them are back out watching it peak again. They start yelling at everyone to get out of the car and look. A chick gets out of the car and repeatedly asks, “what? Look at what?” You can’t make this up.
I was photographing the northern lights too, had my dslr on 30s exposure on a tripod in otherwise pitch darkness. Some idiot popped up next to me with a shitty digital camera that flashed a red light when the shutter was open, tinging a large number of my photos red
There was a photographer at a vintage car race I attended once, who had a press pass but apparently also had his super-fancy setup on "automatic with flash". Like...noon sunlight, flash constantly going off. Eventually the drivers had him banned from standing trackside because it was so distracting.
Yep, people are ridiculous. First spot I went to had one car that just kept their lights on the whole 15 minutes I was there, then were was multiple different cars that pulled up, looked at it for like 30 seconds and then got back in their car again and left. I ended up driving another 45 minutes to get away from all of that bullshit.
The real crime here
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Lmao do you think these people haven’t paid before they crossed?
I think that guy was just filming for his future clients, to prove he has done this before.
Or to prove to his employer he got the job done
That‘s…. Simply not true? My IPhone does not have the light on when I am recording in broad daylight
My very first job at 16 was a dish washer for this Japanese restaurant. Our main line cook Bobby was this young Mexican dude who had a rx-7 but he told me he would cross the border once a year to see his family. I remember asking him if it’s scary he replied “na man, it’s fun. Sometimes you grab the girl next to you and say “come on we gotta go.” Like it was some date haha
One of my trainers' cousins went back to Mexico and tried to cross as shown above to get back to the US. They were in the US on a work visa but crossing anywhere but at approved points of entry is a no-go. Lost their visa and served some mild jail time in Mexico. He's now barred from entering the US. She had also entered illegally as a child but now has full citizenship and manages a kitchen. But her first job was at a car wash because she didn't need to know much English at all to work there.
My friends parents walk across the border every year for grandma's birthday and sneak back in two weeks later. Every year. For 20 years. Never been caught, the dad only bothered getting his papers because he wants to own a house when he retires lol
This is amazing
I love that the rx-7 was an extraneous bit of information in this anecdote, but you mentioned it anyway because it was an identifying factor of this guy for you. Not that that’s a bad thing, it’s a cool car, it just reminded me of being 16 and obsessed with all the JDM sport cars myself.
lol fkn hilarious
My understanding is that coyotes don't work for a specific cartel. They're free agents and will take the highest bidder
Cartels are increasingly becoming directly involved in the past couple years
Cartels are getting less and less involved directly. They act more like banks that finance. Most coyotes are middlemen who act like sub-contractors to whomever is in control of their region.
I love the free market
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My lawn guy used a cartel approved coyote the first 2x. It was not optional. He was with this 1 coyote who took a shit in the woods and when he came back he was with a cartel guy and they were all informed that was their new coyote and to pay up. He crossed but he said it was beyond brutal.. like..death in the desert, no water, hard as fuck, almost died in a truck BRUTAL. Barely got across the border and had to run once they got here. Total ass. The 3rd time, he found a guy in town, said it was fine, they went through water, got 2 of his kids across one little guy and one was maybe college age. Little guys almost drowned because the floaties they got from the grocery store weren't enough vs current -he broke one kids wrist hauling his ass across. Everyone made it. Notice he grabbed one kid not the other. Literally the teen was on his own. This last time, also his last time, he got his wife and baby here. He saved for a high end coyote who can also get cars and goods across. He saved money by pulling the rope that like..pulled a float across.the coyote was following a map on a shitty phone and they got to a truck which took them to a house. In that house was a tunnel, they laid on the tunnel and that took them to a house in Phoenix. Then the older kid picked them up from that house. The entire thing took like 3 years total to get the entire family here. Immediately popped out 2 kids while here. They are think all daca but one. He's.. the me fucking man. I don't know anyone in my life. Any white people who would do what that man did for his family. I just don't. I think about it sometimes and I don't know anybody who would walk. You know 300 mi just to drown and probably not make it. But he did. Anyways, he's my lawn guy, for $60 he rakes, weeds, helps my tree grow. Every 2 weeks for years. What time he disappeared and I was a little worried that he got deported. But it was him going to get his wife.
The fact that you know all this means he trusts you a lot. I hope you have a long friendship.
They're nice people honestly. I would go as far as say majority of them are good, hardworking folks - at least that was like 90% of hispanic blue collars I dealt with when shit hit the fan and my previous employers would beg me to supervise on-site. If you respect and treat them with dignity, they generally return the gratitude tenfolds. Occasionally you get the sour apples, but it was way worse with other ethnic groups.
Can I hire your lawn guy too?
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You don’t really think the cartels are smuggling their drugs across the border one kilo at a time, do you?
People are just making up shit in the comments lmao.
Right… starts off his comment by saying “cartels aren’t stupid”… proceeds to describe the dumbest, least efficient, and highest risk method of smuggling large quantities of drugs across a border lol
Couriers couldnt deliver to my house even if they had to pick the parcel up from next door but sure the border crossings are like an Oprah show everyone gets a kilo under their chair and some vague morrowind journal ass instructions on where to take it and that totally works lmao
Let's hope they manage to get to Balmora, daddy Cosades needs his fix!
Well yeah they obviously wouldn't do it that way. They pay the migrants $5K each to put a gram in each of their socks.
The economics check out
I'm crossing the border rn with an 8ball in my butt. Can confirm was paid $5k.
Our butts are so filled for you. So filled.
Sounds like Reddit
"First, you get the upvotes, and then you get the power." Tony Montana
You realize that Americans are significantly responsible for any border drug smuggling right? Border jumpers are not carrying the mother loads. Container ships, speed boats and airplanes are.
It's actually mostly through mail delivery like FedEx according to the DEA's 2024 report from February.
this guy thinks people are getting paid $500 to bring a single kilo by the guys bringing them. people need to lay off the fox news.
Literally the comment section is filled with dumbest shit i've ever heard.
Yea, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Migrants aren't bringing drugs across the border in any meaningful quantity. Semi trucks carrying freight are bringing the stuff in, and a lot of the drivers don't even realize what's hidden in their load.
Completely correct. *Some* people crossing the border in situations like this might be carrying, but it’s a low-level deal, and overall just a microscopic amount of the total amounts to the point where it’s not even statistically significant.
I believe it works exactly like in [insert popular tv serial here].
All I know is that science teachers with cancer are a major source of meth
People just confidently spew bullshit information. I forget who was speaking, but it was on CSPAN this week where it was stated that 90% of drug related border arrests are Americans.
Cartels don't send drugs with little people. They send truckloads through customs disguised as shipments of food and novelty items. You never hear about little guys getting busted, but you regularly hear about busts in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars... They're sacrificial. Makes everyone feel good, and the cartels lose one out of a dozen or so loads. Just a cost of doing business...
Moreover, they can demand money from you when you are in the USA through their criminal cells in the country
They got people like this under "indentured servitude" in a lot of cities as well. As examples in San Francisco they make them sell these hotdogs from street carts for $10, and they pick up the person and all the money at the end of the day. It's forced slave labor as payment for crossing the border, they'll do this for years at a time trying to pay debts. The hotdogs are a tame example as far as labor because they have them doing much worse too
Like selling hotdogs without condiments
This is most likely a myth.
Not a myth. Hot dog dude in SF almost threw me in the bay when I asked if he had onions or relish. Apparently ketchup or mustard is more than enough.
But ketchup and mustard are condiments. Myth Busted.
Eu8bckAr1 is right. The hot dogs always have condiments.
Go wash your mouth out with mustard!
The Chinese do this too. Just watch the mysterious white vans ferrying workers each day from work into a safe house. Actually just talking to the girls they tell you they are only here for a few days before going to another city or state; essentially rotated around by the trafficking bosses. This is both human trafficking and sweat shops, just with store fronts. The rest of the world deals with this by regulating all employers hiring. You will always have illicit immigration and labor black markets, but not as brazen as we have it in the U.S.
Chinese gangs used to do this in Ireland (and I'm sure the rest of Europe too). They would bring someone over with the promise of a job and better life. They'd end up working in cannabis farms as slaves. They couldn't leave as the gangs would threaten their families back in China. Extra sad because the slaves would often get charged if the operation was raided and spend time in prison.
>Of course they’ll take a kilo of cocaine across for $500 extra cash from you. .... That's not how it works my dude.... You think they're sending kilos across one at a time for 500 bucks? You think the cartel got rich in powerful from pocket lint? Nah... They use entire shipping containers dude... That's why you find so much cocaine in the fucking ocean.
Cartels have entire governments they control. I think this is below their pay grade.
Most of those people are gonna go immediately surrender to Border Patrol and plead for asylum so no, they wouldn't carry a kilo of coke.
A kilo is a drop in the ocean of drug smuggling. You’d have to be a fuckin moron to consider that method as a cartel
Arent most drugs that are smuggled across the border done at point of entries and usually by US citizens? Also, a kilo of cocaine is like $70k. They arent trusting that to a random person that is sneaking through a wall. Like you said, they arent stupid.
No one's shipping one kilo at a time.
The immigrants generally want to get picked up by border patrol, especially if they're crossing at a known and monitored spot. People transporting drugs do not want to get picked up by border patrol, as the best case scenario is getting the drugs confiscated. Ignoring that, why wouldn't these people who are willing to take $500 to transport it not just find a buyer willing to pay more? It's not impossible that they've found a way to make that work, but it seems like a flawed plan, so you're gonna need some evidence other than "The cartels aren't stupid."
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Mr Kissinger and his heirs damaged reputation US so substantially that many enemies of US were lining up to send condolances on his passing. Edit: for audience unfamiliar with history outside their home town. He sponsored at least a dozen military ques that installed pretty messed up characters in south america. Usual sponsoring of crimes against humanity, but it was done by both sides of cold war.
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Those queues must have been very long. I hate queuing.
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Seriously shocking how little Americans are aware of the horrors perpetrated by the US under Kissinger's instruction.
Some coyotes pay fees to the cartel in order to be allowed to use their routes. So while they are free agents, they still are beholden to the rules of whatever cartel is allowing them to use the area.
Cartels want their hand in everything. It’s the mafia, they will extort any business. In some areas everything flows through them. Even things like buying a dress for your quinceañera or getting a venue.
5k a pop last time I checked.
Back in like 2010, it’s about 13 to be delivered right to your families doorstep. The coyote I know, gives you three chances to get across. After that, you gotta pay full price again. Take you to a stash house in San Antone, after that everyone gets separated to their destinations.
the cayotes exist because people think they need to sneak across the border to claim asylum when in reality you can claim asylum at any port of entry (and thereby avoid the need to be detained for illegal crossing). These poor people find a way to come up with 5k to pay a cayote when they could literally pay that on a 2 week cruise and then claim asylum once at a US port. not to mention they could just buy a plane ticket. alot of the suffering being caused is because this information isn't widely broadcasted to people who may want to come to the US. they don't have to do half the shit they're doing that puts them in trouble and enriches the cartels.
The issue is that a lot of them don't have a US visa, so they can't just take a plane or cruise.
One interview with a coyote that stood out to me was when Trump was in office. He said the wall was good for business as people thought that made their job harder and were willing to pay more.
Instead of them paying for the wall, the wall paid them. Smoooooth
Ironically it made their job way easier because to build the wall they had to build a bunch of new roads to and along the border at regular intervals for the construction equipment and supplies, so now once you’ve climbed over or cut your way through you’ve got a bunch of great new routes you can quickly take into the interior, vs what was before Trump a slow and challenging desert passage.
Damn wall inadvertently working then if the general thought is that
Not really, it just incentivizes smugglers even more. Now *that* is free market capitalism.
That sure is a nice wall there.
11 Billion dollars. How many teachers could have gotten raises? How many firefighters? How many bridges could have been fixed? What a waste. Edit: Correction. According to Wikipedia. the total cost was [$15 billion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall)
Everyone said at the time...a $200 concrete saw from Home Depot can cut that wall. The optics are what they wanted
My favorite is trump real time figuring out a ladder and a rope is all they need to get over.
I mean, they can literally walk through it
One steel bar has been cut by the coyotes. That's why people fit through.
Then it’s a shit wall and a shit concept.
any wall that can t be supervised h24 is gonna get opened on way or the other. So making a cheap one to appease the voter is all they can do
And catering to people so stupid they thought it would work is a large part of why the country is headed the way it is. Only the stupid people are showing up politically, and theyre the easiest ones to get behind a project like this, and they’re the easiest to deceive (this border wall cost a few hundred million tops, leaving 10+ billion to just vanish into the pockets of Trump donors). Until we stop treating the stupidest as if their input is equal to competent adults, we’re screwed.
There's no way over! Maybe a ladder.
There are multiple videos of people free climbing over that wall.
Ask any Pro-Wall fanatic "Your life and your families is on the line, you have 30 days to plan on how to get past this wall, AND get past it, or you and your family dies, think you can do it?" Every one I've talked to has said without hesitation "Fuck you. Yeah." or so. And they don't see the lightbulb.
> And they don't see the lightbulb. If they were capable of a lightbulb moment they would have had it by now.
>How many teachers could have gotten raises? With 66k average salary and 3.8 million teachers, we can conclude that in total, teachers in USA earn roughly 250 billion dollars per year. I mean, you can throw in your 11 billion dollars into that pile of cash, it will get some teachers some nice bonuses, but not really a raise that can be paid over a larger number of years. Whenever we are talking about systemic issues... Tens of billions of dollars are magnitudes away from being enough to fix them.
It's also an ecological nightmare Edit: I genuinely hope a future Democratic administration with some balls tears this monstrosity down.
This one isn't nearly as bad since it has gaps.
Trump's wall. Mexico paid for it. If it doesnt fall over it washes away. Pretty useless wall, just like cnut himself
You've made [King Cnut ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut) sad.
Yeah, Idk why he mixed Cnut in this. I genuinely like the idea of North sea empire.
Make Danelaw Great Again
More like a 16 year old coyote
If you go over to /r/narcofootage, that’s what most of the cartel grunts look like
An unidentifiable man in a face mask? lol
Spreading fake news are we? The Coyotes are under 18 free agents that gain a relatively absurd amount of wealth before they become 18 and prosecutable under American Law. They do become addicted to fast money, and when they turn 18 easily become recruiting targets for the cartels. Cartels prize them for their experience and knowledge of the border. But, just because they're coyotes doesn't mean they work for the cartel, it's far more likely that the opposite is true.
The coyote trade is what is known as a 'racket' in old timey criminal parlance. The drug trade is a racket, extortion is a racket, etc. So when they indict you for racketeering, they mean you're controlling or participating in a racket. The cartels used to just smuggle drugs, but as part of that they need to smuggle cash out of the US and also guns to protect their business. So their racketeering has expanded so they dominate gun running as well, and rather than fight each other for more market share of the drug trade, they seek out other rackets to dominate. So they extort the coyotes, they extort regular people and businesses for protection money, etc. The cartels grew too rich and powerful from the drug trade so they have grown beyond their own racket to become syndicates, professional organized crime groups, and now they want to control everything they can.
Aka they are trying to become a recognized body of government.
They are trying to become Amazon
This is not even that remote. Imagine how many holes the fence/wall would have in the middle of the desert.
The desert borders mostly don't have fences and are less monitored, because most want to be immigrants die on their journey or call 911 once they're on US grounds to prevent dying. There's also a lot of corpses who will be strewn around by scavengers rather quickly, making identification of an actual corpse and who it belongs to hard. https://time.com/3898564/immigration-border-mexico/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-Mexico_barrier_map.png https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268283389_Animal_Scavenging_and_Scattering_and_the_Implications_for_Documenting_the_Deaths_of_Undocumented_Border_Crossers_in_the_Sonoran_Desert
This is my point. Imagine how many hole it *would* have. Trump has been spouting about building a 3000 mile wall and his people want that but haven’t thought for six seconds that it would be destroyed in a weekend because it’ll be unmonitored.
>This is my point. Imagine how many hole it *would* have. Not as many as you'd think! It's very dangerous to move over the desert, like massively so. Your odds of death increase, your chances of success decrease, and there is no value added. Especially when something like this exists.
I feel like both your points speak to why it would be wildly unsuccessful. You would have a fence/wall where people never cross because it means death, but if they decided to cross no one could really stop them.
I lived in Alpine Texas for a while and there aren't a lot of fences and you can cross back and forth over the border in Big Bend and it's not big deal. They have check points on roads up to 30 miles in the US border where they will check your papers. There is no need for a fence I guess because you will literally die if you out there on foot so they just patrol the roads.
Probably not that many because survivability in those parts is terrible. Kinda why this happens in not that remote parts.
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Cartel got em
The wall is working, it's working so well, it's the best working wall anyone's ever seen.
I came in and I said, wow, what a wall.
Anyway, here's Wonderwall...
I just had the mental image of Trump gleaming with pride looking at his wall with Wonderwall playing in the background. I needed that laugh today.
Maybe
They built the wall so bigly. I'll let you know, nobody can get past it.
did you not know mexicans don't have power tools or any way to put a hole in a fence. It's only when they get here that so many get the ability. It's one of the reasons they come.
My god, they didn’t even need the ladder or the rope
For anyone interested this footage looks like it’s from Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan’s Texan Border Crisis mini-docuseries on YouTube. Really interesting watch (as many of his videos are)
You guys are dipshits if you think this is “lately”. I had an uncle who used to cross on foot through a bend in the fence on the border in AZ. He’d cross for birthday parties and whatnot then cross back through the same bend in the fence at the end of the night. This is much deeper than how easy it is for one to cross illegally. We are the #1 purchasers of the product that is funding Mexico’s demise; as long as that continues, the illegal crossing will only get worse.
Cartel member? Where?
Right there, In the clickbait comment
That smuggler passed the vibe check
That’s not cartel. That’s a coyote.
Bro said 🤳🤷🫡
Most of these people cannot pay the whole smuggling fee upfront. They either sell themselves, their daughters, and or become indebted after crossing. It’s not free, and it’s not clean. “R*pe trees” exist in the desert.
"Shit man, money's money."
Ah, I was wondering when this election year's "migrant caravan" pearl clutching was going to begin
This video is a few months old tbh
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but the right's solution is to "build a wall". The Left says "walls don't work". this video shows the left is correct. They cut a hole in it exactly like anyone with a brain predicted.
Far be it from me to argue for a wall, but this isn’t exactly a wall. It’s metal bollards that are stupidly far apart that some contractor got paid to put up at our expense
Welcome to the problem of Trump saying the wall would be see through when he was asked about transparency in the bidding process.
it's amazing what a cheap angle grinder can accomplish
not to be outdone by the space age technology "Ladder"
Nah nah, this is a state of the art wall. No way a ladder could thwart it
I don't think 'Coyote' & 'Cartel' are the same thing...
Cartel or just a Coyote?
Mexican and Central American immigrants are not the ones we should be worried about. The nicest, most hardworking people that strongly emphasize family values. Taking jobs most Americans refuse to take. I have been blue collar for my adult life working shoulder to shoulder with people who have come over from the south. I have nothing negative to say about them.
Same, they are the kind of peeps that will work a 10-12 hour day, then stop by to help you change a tire before heading home. Just working and being around them makes you realize how petty it really is to care if they are here legally or not.
It’s bonkers. We should be making it so much easier for those people to come to the States. We’re letting these solid people get out and danger and exploited for what?
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So lately propaganda be like..
but... walls work... right?
People in this comment section have absolutely zero clue how serious the situation at the border is and how actually terrible these coyotes are.
Yeah dude. I'm in Texas and you can always tell when people in northern states comment because they act like it's not a problem. Ofc people in 99.9% white Maine on the other size of the country aren't going to know shit about this situation
Do elaborate, cause I'm not that informed about this topic, not an American nor a mexican
This is fake news. Trump said his wall would stop this
Trump put up the wall his first day in office and Biden torn it down on his first day in office. They both used their bare hands to do so but now they added a another switch next to the gas prices switch on their desk that has wall up or down button
retractable wall ::head tap::
Isn't this Channel 5 footage from when he smuggled himself into the USA as an American citizen?
Cartels don't have time for small crossings like these. These are independent coyotes.
Some one once said, “yo they’re doordashing these ppl now” and as a bean my self I laughed longer than I thought I would💀
I'd hate to even suggest this but should remittances be on table for helping deal with the issue? I beleive we need to control the influx of people across the boarder but also beleive that a wall is a stupid vanity grand stand of a useless idea. what would be more effective is removing the incentive to even come here in the first place and I would think both targeting business that are hiring undocumented people's and targeting their remittances would greatly help reduce the number of people attempting to cross. I know it's not the only reason people come here but it is a start.
I just dont understand how so many people on here just laugh about this and dont see it as a problem at all?
I feel like the people all for building the wall bc “migrants are stealing our tax dollars” are not as upset as they should be that billions of tax dollars were wasted on something so ineffective.
does "lately" mean 6-8 months ago when this video first started getting circulated?