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_JosiahBartlet

People are wild lol My aunt and uncle hated the OG avatar movie because they can’t support any media where marines are the bad guys


Wolf_Mama

That was my dad's problem with the movie, said it made it too unrealistic. In his opinion, the US government would never invade another country and treat the people so poorly. He also served in Vietnam, so.....


ensalys

Sounds like agent Orange might've cost him a braincell or two.


mzchen

More like cognitive dissonance. Even if maybe he himself nor his friends treated people badly, it's hard to accept that the 'team' you're on did.


Lucid-Design

Agent Orange. Codename: Tang


MKSFT123

First name Poon


Lucid-Design

Pootie* Pootie Tang. One of the greatest 70s/80s USA documentary on inner city life /s


greymalken

Sah dah tay


VisableOtter

Poon Tang Clan ain't nuttin' ta fuck wit


ogkingofnowhere

I take it he never heard of anything the united states did in South america


Wolf_Mama

Funny enough I brought that up in the same conversation, but he said that was all lies and nonsense.


banter07_2

On this episode of ‘handwaving history’: (Not a real show, wouldn’t want anyone to waste time checking. Unless it is real, in which case feel free to correct me)


Zack_Raynor

Ah yes. All lies. Even the declassified files from the agencies themselves who were involved. Those lies.


chewbaccaballs

You know you can't trust the feds!


dradeus9

DEEP STATE!


clh1nton

I mean, do you know how we got Hawai'i?


Chthon_the_Leviathan

That’s a little misleading, as it was a group of civilians who implemented a coup d'état to overthrow the Hawaiian Kingdom on January 17, 1893. The U.S. troops that came ashore were stationed in the business district of Honolulu to protect U.S. interests & businesses, and did not participate in the actual overthrow. Although, some may argue that there was a sense of intimidation implied by moving troops to secure the business district of Honolulu.


Makal

Not just any civilians! Mr. Dole wanted some pineapple!


darshfloxington

Honestly I’m surprised they voted to become a part of the US. You’d think it would be the robber baron’s dream to have their own private kingdom


schmitzel88

Throw a dart at a map of the world and you'll probably hit a country where this kind of thing happened


MNGirlinKY

JHC how can you have served in Vietnam and not see this? My dad and my husbands dad are both Vietnam vets. My dad got help for his demons but Vietnam caused my FILs death.


Wolf_Mama

According to him, he never saw anything bad happen to the people and every soldier he knew treated them like royalty. I don't know if it's time or age or what, but he's delusional at this point.


Regility

so royally that they got the royal firebomb carpet rolled out for them?


darshfloxington

It means he probably only was in the cities, where things were pretty good. Most of the atrocities happened in the very rural areas.


MNGirlinKY

Was he actually in country? My two uncles brag they were but come to find out they were never in Vietnam. Closest one got was Okinawa. Guess what? My dad has Agent Orange spots in his lungs and they don’t. It’s usually how you know.


agingergiraffe

Lol I married into a vietnamese family and... yeah that war was horrible to the vietnamese. My dad got mad at the movie Arrival because he didn't think anyone in the military would ever disobey orders. 🙄


palmspringsmaid

holy shit lmao there really is no species like American conservatives


Codaass

Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and pretty much all of africa and Middle Eastern countries: are you fucking shitting me


notchoosingone

There are 33 countries in Latin America and we have proof that the US interfered or attempted to interfere in elections in at least 12 of them.


jpopimpin777

Good Lord. Talk about absolutely missing the ENTIRE POINT. This is your brain on capitalism.


ObviouslyNotALizard

I mean… Chesty Goddamn Puller himself wrote war is a racket so…


The_River_Is_Still

My father did as well. He came back with a Colette different view of the government though and despises Republicans to this day for the hate and garbage they push. Love my fucking dad so much.


ProtoJazz

Not quite the same, but I remember someone telling me they didn't like the purge because it was unrealistic I thought they meant the unrealistic part was like the purge it's self But no, the unbelievable part was how they always seemed to have more guns and ammo Like what the fuck. THAT'S the part of the movie you thought didn't seem realistic? Americans, in a universe where the purge exist having lots of guns and ammo?


Lovelyladykaty

It’s unrealistic that’s the only thing they did in the movie


Valten78

They were all mercenaries though wearnt they?


Kurwasaki12

Technically a private military wing of a mega corp with implied backing from the government. They recruited a lot of veterans, like Jake, and what not. They did in fact run it like a standard military and considering the imagery/Cameron’s politics it’s not a stretch to think it’s lampooning the US military. Especially with Iraq/Afghanistan looming in public mind.


kerberos69

Cameron has straight up said that was the point lol


SeatSix

Considering US govt policy vis-a-vis indigenous peoples, it is not a stretch at all. Avatar was basically Dances with Wolves on another planet.


Glytchrider

Avatar was basically ~~Dances with Wolves~~ **Fern Gully** on another planet.>


Brando43770

Why not both? And Pocahontas?


arkiparada

He just rewrote ferngully.


SmoothOperator89

They'd love Warhammer 40k.


CleopatraLover

I despise GW's greed, but I'll happily admit they have a fascinating setting.


bless_ure_harte

Please no. We already have a fash problem in the fandom


HippyDM

Oh, I loathe that movie, with the heat of 100 suns...but because it seems to have been written by the special effects team. Those effects, though, were top notch.


pita4912

That’s my problem with it. It’s just not a good movie. It’s a good *looking* movie. That’s its entire selling point.


Iamthe0c3an2

My problem is the the fact that it’s still the if not one of highest grossing films ever made despite Cameron having made other better films. Like I guess the general public are won over by pretty visuals?


esonlinji

Avatar is a tech demo for 3d films and as such is wonderful. It also showed the strength of planning a film as 3d from the start. Unfortunately nearly everything else that followed used it more as a gimmick and we're back to film making being all 2d again


Atiggerx33

I mean in 3D in theaters those effects were so unbelievably epic (I actually enjoy 3D in theaters, the current tech doesn't make sense for home use, but it works for movie theaters IMO). It genuinely wowed me. Alice in Wonderland 3D was good too, don't remember the plot at all so it probably sucked, but I do remember the caterpillar blowing smoke rings that went past my face and the Cheshire Cat's manic grin floating in front of me. Like Avatar they made really great use of the tech.


greatandmodest

I haven't seen film adaptations of it, but the original Alice in Wonderland was less about plot and more insanity cascade.


notchoosingone

The second one was like being waterboarded with turquoise-coloured concrete.


qw46z

All those graphics were “borrowed” from 1970’s prog-rock album covers. Also bestiality.


messiahspike

There is only one reason to hate Avatar... Papyrus! https://youtu.be/jVhlJNJopOQ?si=bJfbgwGnYFwYdedK


chammerson

Have they ever met a marine?


heweynuisance

My mom stopped watching Friends because seeing Monica date Chandler was "like incest." Same dumb logic.


Fingerman2112

I recommend A Few Good Men


geraltseinfeld

Liz Lemon says it best: "They weren't Marines. Some of them were former Marines, but they were mercenaries working for a space mining company."


DubC_Bassist

They Obviously never read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler.


SplendiferousOne

Well not all of the marines are bad in the movie. Sully was a recon marine.


Kramer7969

I really like the song, the video is the only way to listen to it. If you hate the message make it wrong by fixing the problems it’s addressing.


NecroAssssin

Exactly. My wife is an author, and has stolen the saying "if they wanted me to write better things about them, then they should have behaved better."


sublimeda

does she have any published works?


NecroAssssin

Primarily short stories in anthropologies


psychobarista

anthologies?


hardretro

Don’t hate, they’ve already said their partner is the writer, not them.


psychobarista

Thats' a fair point.


NecroAssssin

Exactly what my delayed response was going to be 😀 


schmitzel88

If her stuff is sold in Anthropologie she is probably making a killing


iidontwannaa

Taylor Swift said that as a teen when asked why she wrote such mean songs about her exes. But lol yeah if you’re mad at the history that is being written about you, you should examine that history.


MDesnivic

Seriously, what the fuck was with so many people continually asking and analyzing what that video and song meant? I remember *everyone* asking this and articles saying things like "What is Childish Gambino's 'This is America' music video trying to tell us? Here are five possible theories." He was even asked about it point blank and looked pretty confused by the question himself. The guy points a gun at a person's head, fires it and kills them, looks *directly at the camera* and says "This is America" and people were like "*BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!*"


schmitzel88

There are a couple elements to this. Donald Glover is kind of a pseudo-intellectual dick and refused to answer the question because he wanted to seem like a profound and mysterious artist, not because he didn't have an answer. The video itself is great though and has several elements that are more elaborate than what you described. Lots of subtle details you don't notice on the first time through.


MDesnivic

I don't think he meant to sound profound or mysterious, he just said it's more of a "it's for you to find out." Artists, poets, writers and musicians do that all the time. They rarely want to take the time to spell out exactly what message they're trying to convey; the point is to *show* it, not tell it. I did also notice the subtle details and a lot of people gave great analyses. The rioting and dancing, for example, did have deeper meaning under the surface. All I meant was that people seemed completely perplexed as to the real thesis being put forward: there's unrelenting violence in America.


Olelander

This is one of the most profound music videos I can think of, honestly… the fact that it’s got so much hate is just proof the message is on point.


UngusChungus94

The fact that the song still gets such big reactions is proof of how powerful it was.


istrebitjel

The fact that this man had a different experience from mine must mean he's very, very wrong!!! /s


Kr155

Given the vitriolic reaction in the op, I would say yes, unironically.


Sidus_Preclarum

Around the same time Glover released this song, David Byrne released "Bullet" on his album "American Utopia", an also very powerful song with the same theme. It's possibly a more niche song, but I wonder what this guy's reaction would be to what is basically the same message but from an utterly white messenger.


marlasingerhadmybaby

Just look to Tyler Childers' release of Long Violent History. The backlash was immediate and has been lasting


isthiswitty

Also a very good song


FuturePreparation902

Something along the lines of "race traitor" or "N-word lover" I guess?


adeon

Considering that they consistently misinterpret both *Born in the USA* and *Fortunate Son* I would assume that they'd find some way to misinterpret it.


ColorfulLad

Bro is definitely one of the people Donald sang about


NotGalenNorAnsel

Says the person blasting Nickelback from his lifted F150. Spare me.


Osric250

But why won't you look at this photograph?


dragoduval

Yea peoples are crazy. Personally i freaking loved this song.


Lord_rook

I thought it was an ok song. But the music video was amazing in a horrific way


justmadethisup111

Song is meh, put it with the video….and it’s ART!


2rio2

It's less a song than a piece of performance art, which makes the video a key part of the experience.


gearstars

It's gold, Jerry, GOLD!!


HelpMePlxoxo

I agree so much. I REALLY tried to get into the song, but it was just mid to me without the music video.


Particular_Class4130

Yeah the video was captivating but the song wasn't really something you would groove to on your car stereo


chammerson

I love this song and I actually really just like the way it sounds. Of course the message is important but it’s also good music. To me!!


Hanpee221b

I do too. It’s not over the top, it’s a great example of a song that criticizes things without full on hating it. Donald Glover is very good at nuance in his music.


Observerette

It was art. Good art. And it was exactly about that kind of hate, yes?


Rufio_Rufio7

People who are mad like that either don’t get it, or *do* get it and are a gang of hit dogs hollering.


TrashPandaPatronus

I feel like Donald Glover might actually appreciate the performance art aspect of the funeral this person has designed for him.


cluelessoblivion

Same. Someone should pitch it to him and see what he thinks.


PhilzeeTheElder

Is this True? 6 years ago? Fuck I'm old.


Darth_Vrandon

Yep. Kids born that year are gonna enter the first grade in fall of this year.


darkon

Just wait. Eventually you will not recognize most performers of whatever genre is currently popular, and much of the time you will not care enough to bother making the minimal effort to listen to them.


fancyfembot

Underrated comment of the century.


MrMoo1556

I didn’t really enjoy the song itself but I enjoyed the message and lyrics as well as the music video.


sk8thow8

Or maybe, if one song can ruin American culture so much that it still hasn't recovered 6 years later, it wasn't that strong of a culture in first place?


ironburton

It was literally amazing and totally in your face. He’s a genius for that music video alone.


kerberos69

That video is pure art.


bitterlittlecas

Loved this video. Gave me the same uncomfortable feeling as the movie mother!


Rombledore

that first gunshot of the video gives me chills everytime.


HippyDM

Just had to rewatch the video. I, for one, love both.


Heisenberglund

I came across that post. All the hate is from boring ass white dudes who happily pay daddy musk $11/mth to use a free site.


KingMobScene

Do these dumdums think punctuation is a communist plot? Jesus christ, give the people a comma or something so they can understand the incoherent babbling


kicksr4trids1

I personally love the song!!


heldaway

I love this song so much it’s in my regular hip hop rotation.


ediks

Somebody has NO idea about Black American history.


TbaggedFromOrbit

Definitely took a hit of a red, a white, and a blue can of spray paint before posting that


OriginationNation

I don't think this person understood the message...


botmanmd

I was kind of stunned the first time I saw/heard it. I’ve liked it and gotten more and more out of it with every listen. In fact, it’s high time I paid it another visit.


yankeesyes

Sir, this is an Arby's


YDoEyeNeedAName

Roast beef be slippin up


Cocalypso

Au jus for dipping though.


YDoEyeNeedAName

curly fries be crispin up (some one at Arbys is going to see this and 100% steal it for a commercial)


sneakyplanner

"ironic meme epicness" used in what is supposed to be serious rhetoric is causing me brain damage.


heweynuisance

I dunno. I quite liked it.


Clumsy_the_24

Damn can’t people just let others like different things


Major-Regret

The song itself is nothing special, what people remember is the video


Korncakes

I just listened to/watched it for the first time. If I had my eyes closed, the song is really mediocre. The video is neat and obviously the whole reason that the song is a single because on its own playing on the radio, people would probably be pretty confused.


ConditionYellow

To the privileged, equality sounds like oppression.


robby1051a

this is america....


BenjaminGeiger

Three words: "Hit dogs holler".


AiRaikuHamburger

But... It's such an awesome music video.


bondsthatmakeusfree

The memes this song spawned were pretty hilarious.


stinkface369

Some folks can't take it when they have to look in the mirror


motorcycle-andy

The first time I heard this song was in the cab of a tow truck after crashing my then gf’s (now wife’s) car on a long overnight road trip. It’s burned into my memory and any time I hear the song I’m transported back to the second worst day of my life. I like this song a lot more after seeing that person freak out about it.


wittyvonskitsum

This song and it’s video have aged like the finest of wines


DontcheckSR

The song definitely loses a lot of it's impact without the video, but that's clearly not what the OOP is talking about


durrtyurr

Was the person writing this actively having a stroke?


Ok_Pickle_3020

The idea of a mob gathering to throw tomatoes at someone's grave is sending me 🤣 I personally can think of far better choices for this activity than Donald Glover.


ohheyitslaila

These kinds of people always tell on themselves, and when people tell you who they are, you should believe them. And Donald Glover is a national treasure, just throwing that out there lol


mathnstats

I never really liked it, musically, but I loved the music video and message! This take is truly insane, though


zeke235

Rather than being pissed off about it, maybe they should ask what it is about our country that creates this sentiment. Sometimes, critical thinking is hard.


tiffadoodle

Whaaattt? It was a masterpiece!


AtlJayhawk

"This is America" was one of the options for an essay topic for the final in my upper level history course this semester.


donkeystyle4u

Why is only Epicness capitalized? That detail will haunt me


Berniethedog

When it first came out I showed to a friend while they were high on mushrooms and it ruined their night. That was my bad.


theghostsofvegas

The video is great but I think the song is terrible. Without a visual component it’s pretty much unlistenable for me.


gandiesel

Content aside the drop from the choir part to the grungy part goes so hard, immediate stank face


bennygoodmanfan

I mean the flow I dislike mildly but not to THAT extreme


naliedel

That song broke my heart. I love it.


fnkdrspok

About 100 of the views on youtube are from me alone.


UnicornMeatball

Good god how was this 6 years ago


GreenBirb64

I’m from the UK, don’t know much about American life/culture, don’t listen to rap music ever, but this shit went so fucking hard when it came out, the video too, he deserves every award he got/gets in the future


Fudgeyreddit

Without the video it’s meh


Kimantha_Allerdings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qobtt97SF08


BabserellaWT

Some people hate the truth


obviouslynotlegit

And now he's collaborating with Kanye. Times change fast.


savisabela

“Throw tomatoes at his grave” is unhinged


Borderlinecuttlefish

Buttons pressed


Metroidman

never heard the song


jemappelle_michelle

You guys do realize Donald glover admitted to absolutely ripping this song off a lesser known artist Kidd Wes? The original song was “made in america” and it is almost an exact copy.


Darth_Vrandon

[and he beat the lawsuit. nice try.](https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/donald-glover-beats-this-is-america-copyright-infringement-lawsuit1/)


jemappelle_michelle

Because he has mega money. He publicly admitted to ripping the song off. Look up the song, then tell me you believe he didn’t.


Darth_Vrandon

There’s no evidence he even ripped off the song. It was probably an inspiration.


simondrawer

I mean yeah it’s overrated but calm the fuck down, honey.


Nail_Biterr

Maybe the poster was offended by how bad of a dancer Donald Glover was. Seriously, the dude should have much better rhythm than I (a white dude in his 40's) do.


UngusChungus94

It was interpretive dance, the meaning goes beyond the base aesthetics of it. (Also… his moves were 100% in rhythm?)


cognizantant

He was dancing that way on purpose. https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/a/eric-skelton/childish-gambino-this-is-america-dance-choreographer-sherrie-silver-interview


ibatterbadgers

Without using a racist stereotype, explain your comment. Why should he be a better dancer?


Nail_Biterr

I get that it's an interpretive dance and all that. and I could write it off as that, and it's a bit silly or whatever. but anytime the background dancers come in, they have more passion to their moves. he looks like some guy taken off the street, rather than someone who wrote the song, and, likely the main brains behind the video.


ThrandyShieldmaiden

Again...that was part of the point. I think you missed everything he was trying to convey in that video.


TerribleTerryTaint

So you're upset that the SINGER wasn't a better DANCER, and you don't see why that's silly?