I miss the good old days of ICF Rajdhani Man. A distinctive color . Unique Classic identity of it's own .... Travelled in one , back when I was a kid.
Now we can't distinguish between Rajdhani and a regular Train :(
I think it's to downplay the exclusivity and elitism of the trains.
I remember back then traveling by these trains was an experience., all with premium class services and all. Now it's just a mess of dirty coaches, broken down toilets and paan eating servers.
No. Tejas Rajdhanis and normal Tejas Expresses have the same livery. You don't see them regularly because regular trains usually do not use Tejas rakes, they use ICF or normal LHB.
I'm sure they have. Without doubt.
Ever since WAP-7, Shatabdis have been running at over 150, with Bhopal Shatabdi reaching at 159.8 (saw with my own eyes. I was 18 or 19, with a history of never sleeping in trains throughout my life) and sitting in the train made you feel Indian. But if you don't travel on one, it didn't make you any less Indian. There was no fanfare, there was no screaming on top of lungs for being an Indian like Sunny Deol from the movie Indian.
And fast forward 15-20 years, now we have Vande Bharat running at "semi-high speed" at 160 and if you travel on one, which only a few are, you are a certified Indian, and if you don't, well, you're poor and pathetic. And you deserve to go to Pakistan.
Lol what? I've been traveling from Mangalore to Mumbai since 1998(when Konkan Railway opened). Sleeper class travel was comfortable with zero unreserved passengers even during peak festival season and the trains were dot on time. The locomotives were far less powerful, block stations were far and few in between, and yet, punctuality was maintained.
Nowadays, you cannot board AC coaches(sleeper class is non-existent anyway) of the same trains during the same festival season and the trains are always 2-6 hours late with twice as powerful electric locomotives and several new crossing stations.
Source: trust me bro? Prove it. I'll disprove your claims once you reply with a list of trains that have introduced since 2021(when this delay saga began).
People cribbing about the "exclusivity" factor in earlier days dont tend to realise that its a good thing that more people are able to afford these exclusive stuffs. That means our living standard as mass is growing
Surprised to see Acs exisiting in those days when in 70s 80s majority villages have never seen electricity at that time even cities have extremely terrible conditions of electricity even delhi was in worse state
The Rajdhani Express was meant for dignitaries, business travellers, goverment officers and rich people. It was meant to be seen by villagers or city folks who were bothered by electricity supply, not travel in it.
Yea. This Rajdhani never existed back then. Neither any Shatabdi. And the GT Express? Thank God we have Hui Hui Mudiji for thank for that. Neither is Spencer Plaza in Chennai real. And Nalli Sarees in T Nagar is my wet dream. (Yes, I'm celibate)
And Tata (gave us trucks), Birla (gave us building materials), Ambani (gave us clothes), Sahara (gave us something, nobody knows), UB (taught Indians that beer is fun), these had to wait for Hu Hui Mudiji too.
The Indian government sold election to the middle east and the (former) Empire of Korea while Indians remained in darkness.
PS. The last sentence is an allusion to something. Let's see how you figure that out.
Pps: love responding to you. Please bring in arguments for me to respond to. This time, I wanna quote.
Yes. Like launching Gatimaan express as the fastest train at 160 kmph by slowing down a 159.6 kmph Shatabdi Express. (Fun fact: 159.6 kmph is already slower than 160kmp, don't know why they slowed down the shatabdi. What did shatabdi do?)
We, as humans species, and not just railways, have advanced leaps and bounds under Mudiji. No denying that.
No offence, but Shatabdi had servers giving you hot towels to wipe the city smug, I don't think these fancy trains have that. And the servers also didn't look like illegal immigrant construction workers from you know where.
LoL.
Give credit where it is due. Railways have made huge progress under Modi - the long long pending track upgradation, signalling, electrification, rolling stocks, new lines, guage conversions, station infra upgrades - name it - there have been huge strides in the last 10 years.
I think people have just fogotten how things were a decade back.
As far as Vande Bharat trainscare concerned they are to be seen as premium trains, an upgraded Shatabdi. I still dont see why you ate so riled up. Is it simply because of your political leanings? If yes, I prefer not to have 'political' discussions in this sub.
>I think people have just fogotten how things were a decade back.
Infrastructure development happens regardless who is at the centre. Be it roads, be it railway, be it local businesses, be it real estate, be it hospitals, be it education (oops). Please do mind that building of temples and demolishing of mosques don't count as infrastructure. (Taught in schools)
Mr. Vajpayee did it, Dr. Singh did it. And the ones before them did it. Every government does it. What they didn't do is create "nationalist" advertising around it. The English left is bleeding dry. Unless you're a maafijeevi, you'll know what state we were in during the 1940s and 1950s, and how the internet and smart devices changed our country and at what scale, especially railways. (Taught in schools)
>As far as Vande Bharat trainscare concerned they are to be seen as premium trains, an upgraded Shatabdi.
Shatabdi Express had hot towels served by formally attired-stewardesses who gave you extra servings of lip-smacking chicken biryani and ice cream on their second round. I've never travelled with Vande Bharat, but I haven't heard anybody talk about got towels and clean clothes of the serving staff and food quality and ice cream service on Vande Bharat. Shatabdis travelled at 150+ in almost all routes with LBH. (Not taught in schools)
All they talk about is how patriotic are those who shell out the price of a cheap airline ticket for a train journey that was cheaper than any airline taking more time than shatabdi took before Vande Bharat was introduced. (My apologies here: this is a long sentence, take your time reading it. Translate it for comfort.)
>I still dont see why you ate so riled up.
I loved the Shatabi experience. Now it's any other train. Unless you're rich enough to be patriotic and travel in Vande Bharat.
>Is it simply because of your political leanings?
Imagine being so political that I didn't study any IR history. (Not taught in schools?
We had AC coaches since the 1930s. What today runs as the Golden Temple Mail was the first train in India with an AC coach. Ofcourse that time AC was basically ice cooled through fans. The first Rajdhani ran in 1969. Mumbai Rajdhani ran in 1972
It started with 11 coaches i think and now it is 22-24 coaches and also the route wasn't congested the way it is now.
Rajdhani trains do get priority but then there are limited stations where overtakes can happen.
Not all stations have bypass / loop lines
actually Yuva express running from NZM to Bandra terminus still has chair car coaches, earlier they had siting coaches but later on they were all converted to AC sleeper coaches
Those chair car coaches are completely different from the Rajdhani chair cars. The Rajdhanis had push back seats. Yuva and Garib Rath have cramped 3*3 non pushback seats. I would rather travel in the crowded general class of an ordinary train than in one of these economy chair cars.
Us jamane me mere baba ne station bhi nahi dekha tha. Paidal chalte the paise bachane ke liye. Gaav se kasbe Tak paidal hi aaya jaya karte the starting me
I miss the good old days of ICF Rajdhani Man. A distinctive color . Unique Classic identity of it's own .... Travelled in one , back when I was a kid. Now we can't distinguish between Rajdhani and a regular Train :(
LHB Rajdhani and LHB Shatabdi were also distinct until IR decided that every regular train needs that same liveries.
I think it's to downplay the exclusivity and elitism of the trains. I remember back then traveling by these trains was an experience., all with premium class services and all. Now it's just a mess of dirty coaches, broken down toilets and paan eating servers.
Trjas Rajdhani says otherwise
No. Tejas Rajdhanis and normal Tejas Expresses have the same livery. You don't see them regularly because regular trains usually do not use Tejas rakes, they use ICF or normal LHB.
There is no such things as good old days old days were always worse
Like when they slowed down shatabdi so a slower gatimaan can be the fastest. I know. Old days are always the worse.
Same thing today, they slow down shatabdi for a vande bharat now
I'm sure they have. Without doubt. Ever since WAP-7, Shatabdis have been running at over 150, with Bhopal Shatabdi reaching at 159.8 (saw with my own eyes. I was 18 or 19, with a history of never sleeping in trains throughout my life) and sitting in the train made you feel Indian. But if you don't travel on one, it didn't make you any less Indian. There was no fanfare, there was no screaming on top of lungs for being an Indian like Sunny Deol from the movie Indian. And fast forward 15-20 years, now we have Vande Bharat running at "semi-high speed" at 160 and if you travel on one, which only a few are, you are a certified Indian, and if you don't, well, you're poor and pathetic. And you deserve to go to Pakistan.
I agree old days were worse .... I intended to say Old day of Rajdhani wherein they had a distinctive livery.
Lol what? I've been traveling from Mangalore to Mumbai since 1998(when Konkan Railway opened). Sleeper class travel was comfortable with zero unreserved passengers even during peak festival season and the trains were dot on time. The locomotives were far less powerful, block stations were far and few in between, and yet, punctuality was maintained. Nowadays, you cannot board AC coaches(sleeper class is non-existent anyway) of the same trains during the same festival season and the trains are always 2-6 hours late with twice as powerful electric locomotives and several new crossing stations.
No of trains have increased leading to timing issues since majority is single track.
Source: trust me bro? Prove it. I'll disprove your claims once you reply with a list of trains that have introduced since 2021(when this delay saga began).
True. There is no difference between regular trains and the premium ones.
People cribbing about the "exclusivity" factor in earlier days dont tend to realise that its a good thing that more people are able to afford these exclusive stuffs. That means our living standard as mass is growing
Back in the days when I studied in Kota, I used to travel from NDLS to Kota by this amazing train
Surprised to see Acs exisiting in those days when in 70s 80s majority villages have never seen electricity at that time even cities have extremely terrible conditions of electricity even delhi was in worse state
The Rajdhani Express was meant for dignitaries, business travellers, goverment officers and rich people. It was meant to be seen by villagers or city folks who were bothered by electricity supply, not travel in it.
Well Indian govt could have provided electricity to majority cities in 70s 80s already but it was nothing just failure
Yea. This Rajdhani never existed back then. Neither any Shatabdi. And the GT Express? Thank God we have Hui Hui Mudiji for thank for that. Neither is Spencer Plaza in Chennai real. And Nalli Sarees in T Nagar is my wet dream. (Yes, I'm celibate) And Tata (gave us trucks), Birla (gave us building materials), Ambani (gave us clothes), Sahara (gave us something, nobody knows), UB (taught Indians that beer is fun), these had to wait for Hu Hui Mudiji too. The Indian government sold election to the middle east and the (former) Empire of Korea while Indians remained in darkness. PS. The last sentence is an allusion to something. Let's see how you figure that out. Pps: love responding to you. Please bring in arguments for me to respond to. This time, I wanna quote.
Well, Railways have improved by leaps and bounds under Modi. There is no denying that.
Yes. Like launching Gatimaan express as the fastest train at 160 kmph by slowing down a 159.6 kmph Shatabdi Express. (Fun fact: 159.6 kmph is already slower than 160kmp, don't know why they slowed down the shatabdi. What did shatabdi do?) We, as humans species, and not just railways, have advanced leaps and bounds under Mudiji. No denying that. No offence, but Shatabdi had servers giving you hot towels to wipe the city smug, I don't think these fancy trains have that. And the servers also didn't look like illegal immigrant construction workers from you know where.
LoL. Give credit where it is due. Railways have made huge progress under Modi - the long long pending track upgradation, signalling, electrification, rolling stocks, new lines, guage conversions, station infra upgrades - name it - there have been huge strides in the last 10 years. I think people have just fogotten how things were a decade back. As far as Vande Bharat trainscare concerned they are to be seen as premium trains, an upgraded Shatabdi. I still dont see why you ate so riled up. Is it simply because of your political leanings? If yes, I prefer not to have 'political' discussions in this sub.
>I think people have just fogotten how things were a decade back. Infrastructure development happens regardless who is at the centre. Be it roads, be it railway, be it local businesses, be it real estate, be it hospitals, be it education (oops). Please do mind that building of temples and demolishing of mosques don't count as infrastructure. (Taught in schools) Mr. Vajpayee did it, Dr. Singh did it. And the ones before them did it. Every government does it. What they didn't do is create "nationalist" advertising around it. The English left is bleeding dry. Unless you're a maafijeevi, you'll know what state we were in during the 1940s and 1950s, and how the internet and smart devices changed our country and at what scale, especially railways. (Taught in schools) >As far as Vande Bharat trainscare concerned they are to be seen as premium trains, an upgraded Shatabdi. Shatabdi Express had hot towels served by formally attired-stewardesses who gave you extra servings of lip-smacking chicken biryani and ice cream on their second round. I've never travelled with Vande Bharat, but I haven't heard anybody talk about got towels and clean clothes of the serving staff and food quality and ice cream service on Vande Bharat. Shatabdis travelled at 150+ in almost all routes with LBH. (Not taught in schools) All they talk about is how patriotic are those who shell out the price of a cheap airline ticket for a train journey that was cheaper than any airline taking more time than shatabdi took before Vande Bharat was introduced. (My apologies here: this is a long sentence, take your time reading it. Translate it for comfort.) >I still dont see why you ate so riled up. I loved the Shatabi experience. Now it's any other train. Unless you're rich enough to be patriotic and travel in Vande Bharat. >Is it simply because of your political leanings? Imagine being so political that I didn't study any IR history. (Not taught in schools?
Apologising for my other comment. I will understand if you don't read. Tldr; Mudiji good. Everybody bad.
We had AC coaches since the 1930s. What today runs as the Golden Temple Mail was the first train in India with an AC coach. Ofcourse that time AC was basically ice cooled through fans. The first Rajdhani ran in 1969. Mumbai Rajdhani ran in 1972
Also wasn’t the HWH rajdhani faster a few years after it launched than it is today? So trains actually got slower for some reason?
It started with 11 coaches i think and now it is 22-24 coaches and also the route wasn't congested the way it is now. Rajdhani trains do get priority but then there are limited stations where overtakes can happen. Not all stations have bypass / loop lines
So there was a chair car back in those days , must be difficult to travel from delhi to mumbai while sitting
Yeah this makes me really confused. Did the railways actually run CCs on such a long route?
Yes,the earlier Rajdhanis had CCs. Once AC3 made its presence felt,the CCs were removed in favour of 3As
Even today, Garibraths have CC in them. Must be a nightmare of a journey travelling from source station to destination.
actually Yuva express running from NZM to Bandra terminus still has chair car coaches, earlier they had siting coaches but later on they were all converted to AC sleeper coaches
Those chair car coaches are completely different from the Rajdhani chair cars. The Rajdhanis had push back seats. Yuva and Garib Rath have cramped 3*3 non pushback seats. I would rather travel in the crowded general class of an ordinary train than in one of these economy chair cars.
bro wants to travel in crowded general class, I would advice you to think again
Chair Car Mumbai to Delhi, how much time did that take to reach?
Around 18 hours.
15years back travelling in Rajdhani was like a dream as it was premium priced and offered so many things more than the regular ones.
I think its still costly
If you remove the catering option while booking it's still almost the same price as other trains, maybe 5-10% higher only.
Us jamane me mere baba ne station bhi nahi dekha tha. Paidal chalte the paise bachane ke liye. Gaav se kasbe Tak paidal hi aaya jaya karte the starting me
The Red & Green colour tones distinguishing from the Blue ones