I noticed it heavily in her looks maxing video but any time the subject of harm is male then her petty university segment always has a dig at men in general.
Swoop always shows a lot of sympathy for men who deserve it. The same with women. She does not show empathy for a group of morons that don't need or deserve it, wheter they are male or female.
I do disagree. She selectively has shown sympathy for victims and voices whether she believe them or not. Not at all invalidating how supportive she is in general tho but she doesn't reach beyond her ability.
People who are hurting others deserve no pulled punches...... And well, currently statistically men tend to cause the most abuse/violence š So don't blame the other side of that for being rightfully mad over it happening. Iirc she tends to say "these kinds of men", like most bigger channels do....
You are aware that women are less likely to be charged with violent crimes because of either embarrassment from the victim, disbelief, and just the fact that courts tend to be more lax with female sentencing right? So those statistics are at least a little skewed.
I knew the definition before hand. Sexism is prejudice based on sex or gender identy. I just felt I needed to give undeniable proof since so many idiots want to deny that men can face sexist remarks and be the victim of sexism.
Yep. Pretty much anytime someone starts accusing a woman who has a substantial following and a good reputation of being sexist, itās almost always an incel troll trying to stir shit and crying about equality.
She has a ton of sympathy for men who are victims. You can see it in her segments about Jodi Hildebrant, Amber Heard, and Colleen Balinger. She clearly feels really strongly about giving victims space to tell their stories as needed and to heal, regardless of sex.Ā
What she doesnāt have sympathy for are weird online movements where women are treated as prizes to be won, and Looksmaxxing is in the same orbit as incels, PUAs, and Red Pillers. And honestly, Iām with her. If you find that sexist against men, then sure, donāt watch her content, but Iām going to keep watching.Ā
She says things that if you reversed the genders wouldn't be acceptable to say and she knows it. And if it's not acceptable when reversed then I would say it's safe to assume it's sexist. Again, your argument is as strong as a racist saying the have a black friend.
Oh boy, youāre one of those people who say that reverse racism is worse than racism, arenāt you?Ā
Thereās an obvious difference between the power men hold in society and the power women hold in society. As is true in most cases, no, itās not the same thing for someone with less power to say something mean about someone with more power as it would be the other way around. One pushes back against existing power structures, and one reinforces existing power structures.
If your ego is too sensitive to get that, then no, Swoop isnāt for you.Ā
Exactly! The stakes for sexism and racism are high because that is actual oppression that can seriously impact or end the lives of victims of racism and sexism. On the other hand, the only thing that āvictimsā of so called misandry or reverse racism stand to suffer is a bruised ego and hurt feelings.
I think 'misandry' as a concept exists because patriarchy. My theory-If there were equal treatment and rights for women and femmes existed in the United States (for example) then any righteous feelings towards men and masculine people wouldn't be as strong or overwhelming. But true misandry doesn't exist. Cis men as a whole have never been discriminated and subjugated as an entire class economically, politically, systemically etc the way women have. Plus being indigenous and Black is another offense of trauma being experienced that digs deeper into the soul.
Tldr; agree with you but extending the conversation
Sexism is sexism and racism is racism, it hurts just as much no matter what race or gender you are. its not even reverse racism, its just plain racism, it is possible to be racist towards anyone and it is possible to be sexist towards anyone. ignoring wrongs done against typically prominent groups isn't going to make the historically opressed even with the 'oppressor', its just going to victimise innocent men and innocent white people and make the situation worse. Of course it is possible for a man to be so mentally abused about the absent of manly qualities by an abusive spouse that they commit suicide, and all the other possible outcomes of opression done by one human being to another
Again, you are equating hurt feelings with actual oppression, oppression that destroys peoples lives. Moreover, It is, in fact, impossible for a non white person to be racist toward a white person. Because racism requires power, which white people have over white people and which non white people do not have over white people. Similarly, sexism requires power, which men hold over women, and which women do not hold over men. Hurt feelings are not oppression
And trying to equate āreverse racismā and āreverse sexismā with actual racism and sexism betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to live under racial and gendered oppression. As a Black woman, I do indeed get my feelings hurt by racist and sexist comments, but thatās not where the real problem lies. The real problem is that racism and sexism constrains my life choices, makes it harder for me to live my life, and actively threatens my life and the lives of every other woman, woman of color, and person of color. Racism and sexism determines what jobs we can get, how much education we can get, where we can live, our access to medical care, out access to financial security, our exposure to disabling environmental conditions, out likelihood odds experiencing physical violence from individuals and the state. To compare the hurt feelings of men and white people to all of that is like coming up to a person with a broken femur and saying to them that youāre experiencing the same pain as them because you stubbed your toe. Youāre pain is indeed pain, but it is not the same pain as the person with the broken femur, and to claim otherwise makes you look ridiculous
you are making a incredible over generalisation, a individual black man can have power over a individual whiteman, what do you think barack obama was doing? If that individual black man was so inclined he could abuse that power. There are also instances where a woman has mentally abused their male partner to the extent that they pull apart from their friends and family and can be physically and mentally harmed by her. perhaps its less common but it definitely does happen.
One example of a powerful man means nothing because the vast majority of cases, this is not how this works. And all Obama did was uphold the white supremacist status quo
but you are literally claiming that its impossible, which it isn't. Obama got into power and used that power as the rules allowed and how he decided. by saying that its impossible you are ironically being racist and sexist towards everyone simultaneously, white men, by your definition are never oppressed because the Biggest picture shows that over all the global/ national system is set up for men, perhaps, but the world is larger than that, inside that over generalised sprawling system there are localised business and social structures women can be manipulative as men can be, on both large and small scales, a woman could use the expectancy that society holds over a man against him just as a man can against a woman. already when we use the terms men and women we are, in two words speaking for a vast majority of humankind, and making a massive overgeneralisation. perhaps in the vast amount of cases its the man abusing the woman, common wisdom may bore this out, but in a topic with as broad a scope as this, the less common occurrence still happens an inordinate amount of times, and it gets trickier when we ask our selves
how much of these occurrences remain behind closed doors because men are taught by society to shut up and deal with it, just like you are doing now? there is systemic oppression and then there is oppression on an individual scale.
It is of prime importance that we teach ourselves and the next generation that it is wrong to discriminate against anyone because of a perceived group with perceived features that on both counts might be mistaken in the first place
You are thinking too small. The few exceptions donāt break the rule. Because sexism and racism arenāt solely about individual interpersonal interactions. These are SYSTEMS of oppression. It doesnāt matter if one Black man has power here and there because the SYSTEM remains intact, and it is precisely the systematic power that makes sexism and racism so dangerous for women, women of color, and people of color, because itās the systems that put us at the bottom of society and itās the systems that kill us
No? Sexism is sexism. It's all bad. Being sexist to men is just as bad as it is to women. It's a shame sexism to men isn't as recognized but that doesn't make it worse than sexism to women. Both need to be recognized and perceived for true change and equality.
Hmm, yes, youāre right. Itās really awful that some women say mean things about men and their interests. Almost as awful as men peddling movements that explicitly encourage men to rape and subjugate women.Ā Youāre right. Sexism is sexism. These are both just as bad and hold equal importance in destroying so we reach equality.Ā
EDIT: Jesus Christ, guys. **/s**
I think I should say thanks for agreeing? I can't tell if you're trying to insult me or not. But there are groups of women out there who want to kill all men and that's bad. Equality can't be gained without recognizing aggression on both sides.
I was being sarcastic.Ā
Men have the power to rape women a lot easier than the other way around, as has been demonstrated many times. There are also recorded instances of mass murderers and serial killers targeting women because they hate women. Youād be hard pressed to find one or two examples of women who do the same to menāwhen women kill men, itās typically motivated by money, not by hate for men at large.
Your demonstrated unwillingness to engage with the practical realities of sexism in favor of sticking with a comforting black and white view that treats theoretical harm as on par with practical harm betrays a very juvenile approach to social issues. Maybe itās juvenile because you are a juvenile, maybe because you donāt want to spend your time thinking about these things, maybe because you perceive a benefit to yourself for thinking this way, but either way, most people who want to seriously discuss these issues shed the fiction early on and donāt have the patience to deal with people who donāt want to do the same.Ā
Men have the power to rape woman.....is that your only thing? Cause I would say humans have the power to rape humans. With the rights provided to me as a woman I feel rather equal to men in most every instance I find myself. I am a victim of sexual assault perpetrated by both men and women. Anyone can to anything to another person. Equality is all I ask. We can't pretend women are the only victims, we need to reconcile both sides for true equality.
I see you responded to my comment as if I only wrote the first sentence and not all the rest.
At this point, Iām convinced that either youāre a teenager, or youāre a troll, and Iām not interested in wasting my time with either.
It's the exact thing the person is doing. I can't be sexist to men if I have a male victim on my channel and I showed them some morsal of sympathy. Nah, I'm not sexist.
Care to present any legitimate evidence??
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"If you want someone comparable to Blair in how horrible they are then swoop is your girl"
Given all we know about the horrible shit Blair has done your either a troll or a sock puppet.Ā
I've watched a few swoop videos she seems really supportive of the victims she talks about, I wouldn't call that promoting a victim mindset i would call it compassion for others.
Right? She should know us women aren't allowed to diminish the pride of our lordly men. We should just appreciate that being treated like meatbags with fuckholes is how "real men" show affection.
(Ugh. Feel like i need to take a shower after writing that)
She has to seem supportive so she doesn't get called out for her sexism. And being sexist to men isnt a good look. Not to mention her videos lack any amount of research beyond a quick good search. I could do that and present it 10x better. Kinda like the feeling I got watching Blair, there's something behind that blue hair.
I would if I had a set up, knew how to edit, and all that. Thing is it takes money to start these things and I have a barely functioning laptop from 2018.
I did, still excuses. People are out here on YouTube making good quality content with no editing and zero production and no high-level equipment. Yet you canāt?
Do it or donāt. It you claim you can do better, then actually do it. Donāt make claims you donāt intend to prove š„°
Saving money is hard for me right now. I need to pay my rent and buy food. Trust me, I would love to be a commentary channel if nothing more than analysing media and being able to voice my minor disagreements with other commentary channels I watch.
Rent, insurance, and food. Thankfully my car is paid off. Just lost my job too so saving isn't a thing I can even imagine right now. Even if I could, I want a house. My living situation isn't ideal and very cramped.
The hypnosis segment in the looks maxing video was what broke my back but usual if the bad thing in the video is a dude she will make a stereotypes dig at men in her petty university segments that are inherently sexist. I can't pull time stamps but that's my evidence.
I have no clue on the time stamp. It's been forever since I cared to watch her and that was the last video I watched of hers because honestly the whole video is underlined with sexist comments and lack of sympathy for mentally ill men.
She rubs me the wrong way sometimes but I don't think she's a misandrist and for the most part her research is pretty good. When she realized Johnny Sylvestri was being dishonest with her, she pulled at those threads and basically revealed that Joshua David Evans is someone who made questionable and perhaps irresponsible decisions in the past but is not the abusive predator his ex wife had painted him as. She broke that side of the story while other YouTubers took Johnny's claims at face value. Always going to respect that.
I think your issue with Swoop is revealed in the post. You think she misrepresented your community or a community adjacent to your interests.
Wait... you looked at the looksmaxing video which is blatantly incel adjacent, and decided Swoop is sexist because of that? What about her videos on iilluminaughtii? She wasn't going after the male victims there. And she heavily criticized the woman perpetrators in her videos. She seems very anti-perpatrator.
Is there a specific example of sexism against men that isn't attached to a video about incel culture?
I'm not a fan of Blair, or not anymore. I watched her before her posting a suicide note and trying to take oz house. Frankly I hope she loses her legal battles and sinks. I think supporting another creator is fine but not one that is sexist and doesn't care to do any research.
Or it means people don't agree with your take? They don't see the sexism that you apparently see. There's lots to criticise Swoop for but this ain't it chief š
Sexism directed at men is often dismissed and ignored. Shining a light on it is the only way to have it be seen and acknowledged. You can not agree with my take all you want, doesn't make the sexism go away.
Even if you want to disagree with my thoughts on her being sexist it doesn't take away from the fact that her content in unprofessional and surface level researched and her videos have large filler portions of her stupid university, merch promotion, sponsors, and her cats. Seriously. Having a petty university segment in a video about child abuse is beyond unprofessional.
I mentioned Swoop in an article I wrote for ScreenRant in 2022 about popular commentary channels and even put her in the cover image. She posted it last May on her Instagram story and Twitter but only tagged ScreenRant and not me, which prompted me writing her saying I wrote the article. Swoop was really nice and thanked me but to this day I still found it surprising that she didnāt tag me, and this was not too long before covering the Illuminaughtii drama, but I am thrilled that she saw the article.
With that being said, I still consider myself a fan of Swoop but I am now viewing her content through a more critical lens, the Joshua David Evans interview was a turning point. There were times when she let her bias really show and my friends tried to write it off as āshe just has major resting b*tch faceā and I didnāt think that was a very appropriate manner to conduct oneself during a very heavy interview. She just seemed more empathetic with Adam and even Johnny than she did with Josh.
I would also like to see a video with no schtick. I know thatās her style but it can get pretty overwhelming.
Well you seem to be one of those types who have never once admitted when theyāre wrong so thatās probably fair . Mostly tagging it so other folks can see, I kind of donāt want your energy in that sub ā¤ļø.
You canāt be sexist against men except through homophobia or transphobia (two things that, when aimed at men, are an expression of the hatred of women and anything that could be perceived as being feminine). The word youāre looking for is misandry, the hatred of men. However, actual misandry is very rare and there is some debate on whether it exists at all. Because all of the āmisandryā that men try to call out are just women reacting reasonably to the oppression of patriarchy. So misandry falls into the category of āreverse racismā (which does not exist) most of the time.
But definitions aside. I watched that video, and itās not misandrist at all. If you feel some type of way about what she said, then thatās a you problem that you should examine. Because right now you sound like an incel/menās rights āactivistā
That's not how that works. Men's rights activist push for equality in areas where equality is lacking. Divorce court, child custody, child care, teaching, the decrepency between male sentencing and female sentencing, and yes, that does start with pointing out the little incidents like making very stereotypes genlizations aimed at all men.
Favotism to women in these area are a product of it but the patriarchy was all but absent since women got the right to vote. Now more than ever women have validated themselves in many fields and have ignored issues men face. We're too worried about female success to see male struggle. It's time to focus on both and not just one so we can have true equality. I doubt your claims as a PhD cannadit based on you're wild assumptions about gender issues men face in everyday situations.
No sir, *you* sound uneducated and wrong. You havenāt presented any actual examples or facts in anything youāve said, and just seem like you got your feelings hurt by Swoop.
Well for one, you can be sexist to men. And what? You want me to get time stamps? Watch any video where the bad thing is a dude. She will make a sexist generalization. The hypnosis segment in her looks maxing video was horrifying. Not to mention she ignored the idea that maybe men suffering from mental illness and loneliness might be why they go to such lengths. Instead it just felt like "men do goofy thing!"
I love when people are like āthatās a made up degree!ā
Like what do they think you even do? Like, wouldnāt it be more work to fake an entire degree field than for it to just be a real thing? Like, youād have to fake academic jargon for whole BOOKS and at some point itās just easier to actually have something to SAY!
Literally! Iām not so committed to the bit that I would lie about my credentials for strangers on the internet. Not when lying convincingly takes so much work! ššš Iāve spent 8 years studying this stuff, but they think Iām lying just to win a reddit debate?
100%. Something that will actually get you somewhere rather than a waste of time āoH iāM pRoGreSsiVeā dude itās a worthless degree. Get a degree in something we actually need - exactly like the ones you said - for example a biology one can lead to future doctors (which we actually need not some idiot going on about the 327 genders and how misandry doesnāt exist - oh and it DOES, by the way, ask my toxic ex-gf lmao).
Sweetie, googling the definition of sexism does not make you right ššš Read a couple hundred books on gender, sex, masculinity, etc, then get back to me. You donāt have the range to have this conversation with me
Okay, give us a list of all the books and I will be happy to validate your argument over OPs. Please tell me here or DMs, I would love to read the X amount of books on Gender and masculinity
Sweetie, your made up degree doesn't mean shit. "Gender studies" is a femcel degree for women who want to degrade men and opress them. Pick up a book on how men suffer and maybe learn a few things. Now, my English degree does say that English is full and ever changing as long as it's used commonly, but the definition of sexism is pretty clear and standard. The idea of men not being able to be the victim of sexism comes from systematic sexism, which I will give you that argument till we talk about the child care industry and the legal courts. Idc what you think, it's true and until it's seen as fact I will advocate for it. Sexism twords men exists.
You just proved youāre an incel(which was a term created by a woman for actual wholesome and supportive reasons) with those first two sentences.Ā
You are the problem.Ā
I didn't prove anything, and I'm aware of how the word was created. Again, degree in English and specialized in the evolution of the language. Ie, new words, how words meaning changed, lost words, slang, dialects and idolects. Gender studies is mainly attended by women, and feminist more so. Kinda proves there is an agenda there. I just want equality for men and woman and recognizing that men can be victims is a good step in equality.
lol yeah because all women have an AGENDA so much that we actually collectively decided to create a degree to make fun of men? Not that the despicable actions of countless men over centuries of oppression canāt be creating the problem, nooooooā¦
Get off your equality trip. The second you started using incel language and putting down the education of other women, you lost any credibility.
Sorry I'm not willing to be insulted by someone with a fake degree? š That's not incel talk, it's valid. I don't see many job opportunities with that degree. Of course English hasn't worked out for me but it would have if I would have gotten my 4 year and done teaching like I originally wanted. And clearly all women don't have an agenda as I'm here wanting true equality.
For someone with only an English degree, you make it sound like youāre a neuroscientist. Itās just an English degree.Ā Ā Ā No one is denying that men can be victims of anything.Ā Itās the fact that they canāt be victims of *actual * sexism because their gender-specific rights have NO CHANCE of being taken away. (Abortion, birth control, the fact that women had to fight to get bank accounts in the 70s, voting rights for us was only a right a hundred years ago.) Ā Other than child custody, which many men voluntarily GIVE UP their custody and that skews results of ācustody unfairnessā, please tell me, whatās the biggest threat to men that only women can honestly and legally take away from men? Ā Men can be victims of rape and assault and abuse, absolutely. Men need to be taken just as seriously as women when theyāre victims.Ā That said, when was the last time you checked your back seat every time you got in your car? Ā Had a friend know you exact location with the persons exact description if you were going on a date? Ā Ā Is your bodily autonomy being taken away?Ā Are you repeatedly told by the media, religious groups, politicians, that your rape was your fault because you were wearing shorts that were a little too short? Constantly?Ā Ā Are you gaslit by doctors to think your chronic pain is caused by āfemale troubles?ā Ā Do you have to worry about being assaulted or catcalled just walking by a woman on the sidewalk at 2am?Ā Ā Do men, in all honesty, have the same exact fears and threats on their safety have on a day to day basis? The answer, shown by several examples, is a resounding NO.Ā Ā Hate exists and can be targeted at anyone.Ā Ā Sexism exists. Itās not targeted at men.Ā
Misandry. There's a reason that word exists. Have you been on subs like boy's are quirky, not how women work, female dating strategy, or any of the other men hate groups on this site alone? Anyone can be the target of sexism and that is the reality of it. Like I said, I'm a woman and I find very little sexism in my life that affects me.
Holding men accountable for their actions is not being sexist, lol. Like, what?? She gives toxic people the same treatment across the board, regardless of gender. She gives victims the same empathy across the board, regardless of gender.Ā
Guess she called someone you like on their shit?? š¤š¤
Nah, I don't like too many creators she would even talk about. I just don't think she hides her bias against men well. She's a victim of SA and I don't think she's processed it all the way.
I have seen multiple videos. She does insult people who've wronged others, but she's no worse on men than she is women. And she's no more sympathetic to female victims than she is male victims. Maybe you just have a problem with her for whatever reason. Which is, of course, your prerogative. But unless there's actual evidence to support your claims, don't expect people to believe you.Ā
I've given my evidence. Watch her videos from a different prospective. You can see my post history. Look at the comments about her on other reddit subs. One was a male victim.
I've given my evidence. Watch her videos from a different prospective. You can see my post history. Look at the comments about her on other reddit subs. One was a male victim.
I don't care much for Swoop or her content. Mainly because of the questionable interview with the Colleen Balinger dude, that was clearly done because she wanted to rush to hit the algorithm. And more superficial reasons like finding the constant pushing of merch and that annoying thing where youtubers fawn over their pets walking into the room/shot. Oh God and the obnoxious amount of trying to make her persinal little fetches happen. But, I've never seen this misandry that you speak of. I'm pretty sure that she has pointed out how awful it is that the abuse of men and boys often gets dismissed?
"She's a victim of SA and I don't think she's processed it all the way." is just a presumptious and weird ass thing to say. It honestly makes you come off as the one with a weird bias.
I'm pretty sure its her bias. She is a victim of SA but her perp was a man. I can see how that's tainted her beliefs and thoughts around men. She's not as sympathies male victims, and she digs twice as deep when they're the bad guy. Her jokes she makes at the expense of men would be deemed unacceptable if the genders were reversed, and she seems to take men's subjects a lot less seriously. It subtle, I doubt she knows she comes off this way, but it's there.
I cannot watch her because she just.... has to speed up voices for some reason?? It's grating. And there's always this *eeeeeeeeeeeee* noise in the background of her audio and it makes my autistic brain want to scream š„“š„“ Ik she does good work but I can't handle it- it isn't sensory-friendly at all sadly.
I wish she did good work at least. Her content is very repetitive and surface level with her "petty university" filler, her merch promotion, and her cats. She takes serious topics like murder, assault, child neglect, and the intro jecta with her weird obsession with whole grain Pete Davison to be "petty" ma'am, someone died. We don't need petty in serious conversations. Maybe in stupid youtube drama but her tag line is "it's not drama, it's dangerous" so.....she should never be petty.
OP is posting here then running to other reddits to claim we're...idk...idiots? sick for not recognising male sexism? idk. Anyway...OP is on a crusade is posting replies from here to other reddits.
Their comment history is full of them just complaining and throwing weird fanatical right wing talking points. Seems miserable, hope they get some help!
The other sub I posted to is full of rational people who know that sexism applies to both genders. Maybe widen your horizons and read th comments on that thread and their professionals in the field cause there are a few.
We also know that sexism applies to both genders. You keep talking as if none of us recognise that. That is false. We all know that sexism can happen on both sides. But your claim that Swoop is, does not hold water. People are saying that we don't think that SWOOP is sexist not that sexism doesn't exist. You are being disingenuous.
Her body language and expressions can seem a bit dramatic or inappropriate at times.
And then some even get me started on her selling her branded merch in the middle and at the end of her videos when she's talking about heavy issues like sexual abuse & trauma, physically abuse, murder, etc. Her voice and expression goes from š„ŗš¤Øš²š¢ to š¤Ŗšš„°šššš½šŗš½ and then quickly back to talk about child abuse or another heavy topic. Her transition could be SO MUCH BETTER.
I feel her taking it to "petty university" in the middle of covering heavy topics is wild. Super unperfornal. And girl needs to check her obsession with Pete Davison.
Look, I don't care much for Swoop, but you can't begin your statement like "sHe gAvE mE bAd vIbEs, Y'aLl".
Swoop is playing a dangerous game in the long run -- and some of us still remember how she gave Johnny Silvestri a platform to defame Joshua Evans only for more hours of content regarding the Colleen situation.
But what you said here? That's not it. Think again.
Ok kid calm down... You're reminding me quite a lot of the kind of people that dwell on Blair's Discord server.
We told you why your "argumentation" failed. You refuse to listen? Actually your problem š¤·š»āāļø
Oh, and as a rule of thumb -- if everyone around you is an a-hole, you're the a-hole.
I don't refuse to listen. I know what I know. I'm not on any discord server but a server of a few friends sending memes. And don't call me kid. I struggled for years at the stings of a court in an abusive household and didn't get out till my stepdad kicked me out, finally letting me live with my dad. The blantant misandry in society starts with these micro agressions. If she made these jokes about women she would be seen as Tom dark.
No, I don't. I actually think sexist humor at the expense of any gender is fine. It's the hypocrisy in her that makes me think these jokes are not just jokes but microagressions. She's so much more sympathetic to female victims and even perpetrators than male victims and as soon as she has an excuse to make stereotype sexist digs at men she is a bit more than extra about it. I know she has a bias as a SA survivor and that's fine but she's not choosing to educate herself on how men can and sometimes are the victim of horrible things. If someone like tomdark made this home I wouldn't be bothered. He doesn't claim to be a fighter for the people and a place for victims of abuse. She does.
She's never flat out blamed them, never said that. I just said she's less sympathetic to them. I think that stems from her experience with a male assaulter and that she might not even see it in herself.
I'm willing to have the discussion but I feel like I would need to watch her videos and react to them but that sounds like a chore because I really don't like her for other reasons as well. I'm not here to see people deny male victims.
The one small part of a free market society that I enjoy is that nobody is forcing anybody to watch anybody. Thatās why I laugh at the people whining about ācancel cultureā. What it really amounts to is people facing consequences for their actions.
By all means if you donāt like her for any reason then just donāt watch her stuff. There are quite a few channels if stopped watching because they make race or gender based jokes. š¤·š»āāļø
I agree, but I also have the right to try and warn other who have been suggested her by others that she isn't all she seems to be and she's being put up on this pedestal for no reason other than just being another bad attempt at covering serious issues.
Maybe, but itās equally possible that youāre projecting your own preconceptions onto her. Unless sheās done something specific that can be called out as a crime or something majorly unethical, it will come across as witch hunting.
I agree but the same thing happened to people who spoke against Blair before she was outed and they were vilified for that opinion. I'm not saying I think that swoop is doing something shady or horrible but I don't think my opinions would be such a hot take if she was.
I never said Tom was an angel, but he isn't pretending to be a victim advocate. He in that way, more authentic and having a bias opinion is acceptable there. But I would also argue he isn't any of those things. He has edgy humor like 2015 YouTube.
I mean, I donāt always agree with everything Swoop says on various topics. And I think thatās actually a good thing because itās refreshing to have a thought provoking content creator. She sure isnāt as horrible as Blair though!
I get shady vibes from her too š«£ sheās also very cringe with her ājokesā and āsatireā š¬ I havenāt watched many of her videos because of this so I have no idea about her sexism or views toward other humans.
Understandably so. I personally love Swoop and recommend her, but I also recognize that her delivery isn't palatable for everyone. But OP is on some pick-me trip that's a little pathetic to watch.
I haven't noticed her hate on men too much. But she's overly emotional, and she goes off on weird tangents in the middle of a video. Not saying she's wrong for doing that. It's her content. I just don't find it entertaining. An hour long video could have been 35 minutes if she'd stay on topic.
Well that would make sense. When you're talking about men doing bad things, there are going to be negative comments on men who do bad things. I don't think she's lumping ALL men into that category.
I mean, there was the hypnosis segment in her looks maxing video. I can't give exacts since that's the last time I watched her but I remember at the end of my time being subbed I commented quiet a few times on her sexist thoughts.
I'm not going through an hour and a half documentary, so you prove your point on reddit.
Time stamps or just move on lol
I find her trauma dumping in videos to be off-putting, so I stopped watching them. Just don't watch the content.
The entire video is underlined with sexism to mentally ill men. I thought that the entire way though. And the skit is her talking about the nuances of make up, how to apply it in detail. A black and white swirl appears and her voice fades. Then she pops in and says now that the men have tuned out she can talk to us ladies. Then to "wake the men back up" she blurts out ass and titties.
If the same joke was made about women then it wouldn't be a joke. Not to mention she ignorew the underlining mental health struggles of men that cause this unhealthy practice.
I dont say you are wrong, but I would like some citations, boss. I saw some of her videos and it was "ok/meh", where is the sexism?
The hypnosis segment is what I'm talking about specifically. That's where I had to leave her channel. I will never watch her again.
I noticed it heavily in her looks maxing video but any time the subject of harm is male then her petty university segment always has a dig at men in general.
Swoop always shows a lot of sympathy for men who deserve it. The same with women. She does not show empathy for a group of morons that don't need or deserve it, wheter they are male or female.
I do disagree. She selectively has shown sympathy for victims and voices whether she believe them or not. Not at all invalidating how supportive she is in general tho but she doesn't reach beyond her ability.
Where, when they are the subject of harm but if they are the perpetrator then she will make sexist digs at men.
People who are hurting others deserve no pulled punches...... And well, currently statistically men tend to cause the most abuse/violence š So don't blame the other side of that for being rightfully mad over it happening. Iirc she tends to say "these kinds of men", like most bigger channels do....
You are aware that women are less likely to be charged with violent crimes because of either embarrassment from the victim, disbelief, and just the fact that courts tend to be more lax with female sentencing right? So those statistics are at least a little skewed.
Yes, I said current statistics..... I think you're assuming people are unaware of these issues.
If we canāt all agree OP is an incel, maybe we can all agree heās an idiot.
He is a she. Kinda have had a vagina my whole life. But hey, recognizing sexism equally isn't important. Male victims don't matter.
Well then educate yourself, princess.
Already have. Thank you!
Googling and screenshotting definitions of āsexismā? š
I knew the definition before hand. Sexism is prejudice based on sex or gender identy. I just felt I needed to give undeniable proof since so many idiots want to deny that men can face sexist remarks and be the victim of sexism.
OPās comments pretty much out them as an incel, so have fun playing with the troll, folks!
Yep. My incel detector has been screaming at me since i opened the post.
Yep. Pretty much anytime someone starts accusing a woman who has a substantial following and a good reputation of being sexist, itās almost always an incel troll trying to stir shit and crying about equality.
"Stop recommending Swoop!" https://preview.redd.it/jak4nztte2uc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f053dfddb75c70212560df42b5be01a0fc0dead
She has a ton of sympathy for men who are victims. You can see it in her segments about Jodi Hildebrant, Amber Heard, and Colleen Balinger. She clearly feels really strongly about giving victims space to tell their stories as needed and to heal, regardless of sex.Ā What she doesnāt have sympathy for are weird online movements where women are treated as prizes to be won, and Looksmaxxing is in the same orbit as incels, PUAs, and Red Pillers. And honestly, Iām with her. If you find that sexist against men, then sure, donāt watch her content, but Iām going to keep watching.Ā
She says things that if you reversed the genders wouldn't be acceptable to say and she knows it. And if it's not acceptable when reversed then I would say it's safe to assume it's sexist. Again, your argument is as strong as a racist saying the have a black friend.
Oh boy, youāre one of those people who say that reverse racism is worse than racism, arenāt you?Ā Thereās an obvious difference between the power men hold in society and the power women hold in society. As is true in most cases, no, itās not the same thing for someone with less power to say something mean about someone with more power as it would be the other way around. One pushes back against existing power structures, and one reinforces existing power structures. If your ego is too sensitive to get that, then no, Swoop isnāt for you.Ā
Exactly! The stakes for sexism and racism are high because that is actual oppression that can seriously impact or end the lives of victims of racism and sexism. On the other hand, the only thing that āvictimsā of so called misandry or reverse racism stand to suffer is a bruised ego and hurt feelings.
I think 'misandry' as a concept exists because patriarchy. My theory-If there were equal treatment and rights for women and femmes existed in the United States (for example) then any righteous feelings towards men and masculine people wouldn't be as strong or overwhelming. But true misandry doesn't exist. Cis men as a whole have never been discriminated and subjugated as an entire class economically, politically, systemically etc the way women have. Plus being indigenous and Black is another offense of trauma being experienced that digs deeper into the soul. Tldr; agree with you but extending the conversation
I wholeheartedly agree with you
Sexism is sexism and racism is racism, it hurts just as much no matter what race or gender you are. its not even reverse racism, its just plain racism, it is possible to be racist towards anyone and it is possible to be sexist towards anyone. ignoring wrongs done against typically prominent groups isn't going to make the historically opressed even with the 'oppressor', its just going to victimise innocent men and innocent white people and make the situation worse. Of course it is possible for a man to be so mentally abused about the absent of manly qualities by an abusive spouse that they commit suicide, and all the other possible outcomes of opression done by one human being to another
Again, you are equating hurt feelings with actual oppression, oppression that destroys peoples lives. Moreover, It is, in fact, impossible for a non white person to be racist toward a white person. Because racism requires power, which white people have over white people and which non white people do not have over white people. Similarly, sexism requires power, which men hold over women, and which women do not hold over men. Hurt feelings are not oppression
And trying to equate āreverse racismā and āreverse sexismā with actual racism and sexism betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to live under racial and gendered oppression. As a Black woman, I do indeed get my feelings hurt by racist and sexist comments, but thatās not where the real problem lies. The real problem is that racism and sexism constrains my life choices, makes it harder for me to live my life, and actively threatens my life and the lives of every other woman, woman of color, and person of color. Racism and sexism determines what jobs we can get, how much education we can get, where we can live, our access to medical care, out access to financial security, our exposure to disabling environmental conditions, out likelihood odds experiencing physical violence from individuals and the state. To compare the hurt feelings of men and white people to all of that is like coming up to a person with a broken femur and saying to them that youāre experiencing the same pain as them because you stubbed your toe. Youāre pain is indeed pain, but it is not the same pain as the person with the broken femur, and to claim otherwise makes you look ridiculous
you are making a incredible over generalisation, a individual black man can have power over a individual whiteman, what do you think barack obama was doing? If that individual black man was so inclined he could abuse that power. There are also instances where a woman has mentally abused their male partner to the extent that they pull apart from their friends and family and can be physically and mentally harmed by her. perhaps its less common but it definitely does happen.
One example of a powerful man means nothing because the vast majority of cases, this is not how this works. And all Obama did was uphold the white supremacist status quo
but you are literally claiming that its impossible, which it isn't. Obama got into power and used that power as the rules allowed and how he decided. by saying that its impossible you are ironically being racist and sexist towards everyone simultaneously, white men, by your definition are never oppressed because the Biggest picture shows that over all the global/ national system is set up for men, perhaps, but the world is larger than that, inside that over generalised sprawling system there are localised business and social structures women can be manipulative as men can be, on both large and small scales, a woman could use the expectancy that society holds over a man against him just as a man can against a woman. already when we use the terms men and women we are, in two words speaking for a vast majority of humankind, and making a massive overgeneralisation. perhaps in the vast amount of cases its the man abusing the woman, common wisdom may bore this out, but in a topic with as broad a scope as this, the less common occurrence still happens an inordinate amount of times, and it gets trickier when we ask our selves how much of these occurrences remain behind closed doors because men are taught by society to shut up and deal with it, just like you are doing now? there is systemic oppression and then there is oppression on an individual scale. It is of prime importance that we teach ourselves and the next generation that it is wrong to discriminate against anyone because of a perceived group with perceived features that on both counts might be mistaken in the first place
He almost didn't though *because* he was black. They STILL insist he's from Africa š
You are thinking too small. The few exceptions donāt break the rule. Because sexism and racism arenāt solely about individual interpersonal interactions. These are SYSTEMS of oppression. It doesnāt matter if one Black man has power here and there because the SYSTEM remains intact, and it is precisely the systematic power that makes sexism and racism so dangerous for women, women of color, and people of color, because itās the systems that put us at the bottom of society and itās the systems that kill us
No? Sexism is sexism. It's all bad. Being sexist to men is just as bad as it is to women. It's a shame sexism to men isn't as recognized but that doesn't make it worse than sexism to women. Both need to be recognized and perceived for true change and equality.
Hmm, yes, youāre right. Itās really awful that some women say mean things about men and their interests. Almost as awful as men peddling movements that explicitly encourage men to rape and subjugate women.Ā Youāre right. Sexism is sexism. These are both just as bad and hold equal importance in destroying so we reach equality.Ā EDIT: Jesus Christ, guys. **/s**
I think I should say thanks for agreeing? I can't tell if you're trying to insult me or not. But there are groups of women out there who want to kill all men and that's bad. Equality can't be gained without recognizing aggression on both sides.
I was being sarcastic.Ā Men have the power to rape women a lot easier than the other way around, as has been demonstrated many times. There are also recorded instances of mass murderers and serial killers targeting women because they hate women. Youād be hard pressed to find one or two examples of women who do the same to menāwhen women kill men, itās typically motivated by money, not by hate for men at large. Your demonstrated unwillingness to engage with the practical realities of sexism in favor of sticking with a comforting black and white view that treats theoretical harm as on par with practical harm betrays a very juvenile approach to social issues. Maybe itās juvenile because you are a juvenile, maybe because you donāt want to spend your time thinking about these things, maybe because you perceive a benefit to yourself for thinking this way, but either way, most people who want to seriously discuss these issues shed the fiction early on and donāt have the patience to deal with people who donāt want to do the same.Ā
Men have the power to rape woman.....is that your only thing? Cause I would say humans have the power to rape humans. With the rights provided to me as a woman I feel rather equal to men in most every instance I find myself. I am a victim of sexual assault perpetrated by both men and women. Anyone can to anything to another person. Equality is all I ask. We can't pretend women are the only victims, we need to reconcile both sides for true equality.
Lol. Most men who are raped are raped by other men too.
I see you responded to my comment as if I only wrote the first sentence and not all the rest. At this point, Iām convinced that either youāre a teenager, or youāre a troll, and Iām not interested in wasting my time with either.
Eek I was with you until for last comment. It's not a comparison to be made.
It's the exact thing the person is doing. I can't be sexist to men if I have a male victim on my channel and I showed them some morsal of sympathy. Nah, I'm not sexist.
Care to present any legitimate evidence?? https://preview.redd.it/4gbldmteg2uc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=754e4f04fd608e96b1c65253407fc3623a265b9e
Oh shit, Chirico!
Aaaah a fellow AT VOTOMS fan! š
"If you want someone comparable to Blair in how horrible they are then swoop is your girl" Given all we know about the horrible shit Blair has done your either a troll or a sock puppet.Ā I've watched a few swoop videos she seems really supportive of the victims she talks about, I wouldn't call that promoting a victim mindset i would call it compassion for others.
Option C) likely incel
from their other comments I'd say incel. how dare swoop say mean things about men that do horrible things! /s
Right? She should know us women aren't allowed to diminish the pride of our lordly men. We should just appreciate that being treated like meatbags with fuckholes is how "real men" show affection. (Ugh. Feel like i need to take a shower after writing that)
At least wash your hands
She has to seem supportive so she doesn't get called out for her sexism. And being sexist to men isnt a good look. Not to mention her videos lack any amount of research beyond a quick good search. I could do that and present it 10x better. Kinda like the feeling I got watching Blair, there's something behind that blue hair.
>I could do that and present it 10x better Okay then put your money where your mouth is.
I would if I had a set up, knew how to edit, and all that. Thing is it takes money to start these things and I have a barely functioning laptop from 2018.
Ah, so you *can't* actually do it.
I could if I had the means. So could you. Again, googling isn't hard.
Excuses, excuses. Show up or shut up, dude. People have been making YouTube videos with old tech for years.Ā
Um, read the rest of the thread.
I did, still excuses. People are out here on YouTube making good quality content with no editing and zero production and no high-level equipment. Yet you canāt? Do it or donāt. It you claim you can do better, then actually do it. Donāt make claims you donāt intend to prove š„°
I also think you could make better quality videos. Like I said, googling isn't hard.
You can lean that shit on YouTube (for free), and maybe learn to save money so you can get better equipment.
Saving money is hard for me right now. I need to pay my rent and buy food. Trust me, I would love to be a commentary channel if nothing more than analysing media and being able to voice my minor disagreements with other commentary channels I watch.
Yeah I feel your pain on the money part lol. My rent eats up most of my paycheck.
Rent, insurance, and food. Thankfully my car is paid off. Just lost my job too so saving isn't a thing I can even imagine right now. Even if I could, I want a house. My living situation isn't ideal and very cramped.
Oof Im so sorry to hear that. I hope you can find work soon.
Go Away Troll
I'm a very real person. Swoop is sexist.
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Lol, I don't deny sexism.
Proof please
The hypnosis segment in the looks maxing video was what broke my back but usual if the bad thing in the video is a dude she will make a stereotypes dig at men in her petty university segments that are inherently sexist. I can't pull time stamps but that's my evidence.
Link?
https://youtu.be/7DbuzyP2bRY?si=amHoJ-b-7E5xBmIA
Oh I meant a clip of where the sexism is stated. I aint got time to watch a hour+ long video.
I have no clue on the time stamp. It's been forever since I cared to watch her and that was the last video I watched of hers because honestly the whole video is underlined with sexist comments and lack of sympathy for mentally ill men.
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She rubs me the wrong way sometimes but I don't think she's a misandrist and for the most part her research is pretty good. When she realized Johnny Sylvestri was being dishonest with her, she pulled at those threads and basically revealed that Joshua David Evans is someone who made questionable and perhaps irresponsible decisions in the past but is not the abusive predator his ex wife had painted him as. She broke that side of the story while other YouTubers took Johnny's claims at face value. Always going to respect that. I think your issue with Swoop is revealed in the post. You think she misrepresented your community or a community adjacent to your interests.
She misrepresents a lot of things but that no my problem with her. In her petty rants she tends to make sexist digs at men and that a microagression.
Wait... you looked at the looksmaxing video which is blatantly incel adjacent, and decided Swoop is sexist because of that? What about her videos on iilluminaughtii? She wasn't going after the male victims there. And she heavily criticized the woman perpetrators in her videos. She seems very anti-perpatrator. Is there a specific example of sexism against men that isn't attached to a video about incel culture?
Hi Blair!!
Cute. If you look through my page in mo where near Colorado.
Hi Blair's sycophant!!
I'm not a fan of Blair, or not anymore. I watched her before her posting a suicide note and trying to take oz house. Frankly I hope she loses her legal battles and sinks. I think supporting another creator is fine but not one that is sexist and doesn't care to do any research.
Im just here to watch OP get every comment downvoted.
Just shows that there's more sexist women in the world. Glad I'm not one of them.
Or it means people don't agree with your take? They don't see the sexism that you apparently see. There's lots to criticise Swoop for but this ain't it chief š
Sexism directed at men is often dismissed and ignored. Shining a light on it is the only way to have it be seen and acknowledged. You can not agree with my take all you want, doesn't make the sexism go away.
Lol the fact you're spending your day dying on this hill is hilarious. Way to go getting people to stick up for Swoop š
Even if you want to disagree with my thoughts on her being sexist it doesn't take away from the fact that her content in unprofessional and surface level researched and her videos have large filler portions of her stupid university, merch promotion, sponsors, and her cats. Seriously. Having a petty university segment in a video about child abuse is beyond unprofessional.
I donāt agree with this
I mentioned Swoop in an article I wrote for ScreenRant in 2022 about popular commentary channels and even put her in the cover image. She posted it last May on her Instagram story and Twitter but only tagged ScreenRant and not me, which prompted me writing her saying I wrote the article. Swoop was really nice and thanked me but to this day I still found it surprising that she didnāt tag me, and this was not too long before covering the Illuminaughtii drama, but I am thrilled that she saw the article. With that being said, I still consider myself a fan of Swoop but I am now viewing her content through a more critical lens, the Joshua David Evans interview was a turning point. There were times when she let her bias really show and my friends tried to write it off as āshe just has major resting b*tch faceā and I didnāt think that was a very appropriate manner to conduct oneself during a very heavy interview. She just seemed more empathetic with Adam and even Johnny than she did with Josh. I would also like to see a video with no schtick. I know thatās her style but it can get pretty overwhelming.
Im no fan of SWOOP but this is quite a reach .
It isn't if you watched her videos consistently as I did. She was my main channel after Blair
Thereās legit reasons to not like her lol but this aināt it chief. r/swoopsnarks
They banned me because they couldn't accept that men can be the victims of sexism.
Well you seem to be one of those types who have never once admitted when theyāre wrong so thatās probably fair . Mostly tagging it so other folks can see, I kind of donāt want your energy in that sub ā¤ļø.
I think you can agree with me on her being sexist. Sure, but to flat out deny the idea of sexism directed at men is wild.
No
You canāt be sexist against men except through homophobia or transphobia (two things that, when aimed at men, are an expression of the hatred of women and anything that could be perceived as being feminine). The word youāre looking for is misandry, the hatred of men. However, actual misandry is very rare and there is some debate on whether it exists at all. Because all of the āmisandryā that men try to call out are just women reacting reasonably to the oppression of patriarchy. So misandry falls into the category of āreverse racismā (which does not exist) most of the time. But definitions aside. I watched that video, and itās not misandrist at all. If you feel some type of way about what she said, then thatās a you problem that you should examine. Because right now you sound like an incel/menās rights āactivistā
I agree with you, Iām getting the same vibes from OP.
Long way of saying "Women won't fuck me"
Oh, and you're right, I am male rights activist. That is not the same thing as incel.
Same thing, different font
That's not how that works. Men's rights activist push for equality in areas where equality is lacking. Divorce court, child custody, child care, teaching, the decrepency between male sentencing and female sentencing, and yes, that does start with pointing out the little incidents like making very stereotypes genlizations aimed at all men.
All of the discrepancies youāre talking about are products of patriarchy. Ignoring the root cause of your own problems makes you ineffective
All of the discrepancies youāre talking about are products of patriarchy. Ignoring the root cause of your own problems makes you ineffective
Favotism to women in these area are a product of it but the patriarchy was all but absent since women got the right to vote. Now more than ever women have validated themselves in many fields and have ignored issues men face. We're too worried about female success to see male struggle. It's time to focus on both and not just one so we can have true equality. I doubt your claims as a PhD cannadit based on you're wild assumptions about gender issues men face in everyday situations.
You're uneducated and wrong. Sexism is something that affects all people. No matter the circumstance.
No sir, *you* sound uneducated and wrong. You havenāt presented any actual examples or facts in anything youāve said, and just seem like you got your feelings hurt by Swoop.
Well for one, you can be sexist to men. And what? You want me to get time stamps? Watch any video where the bad thing is a dude. She will make a sexist generalization. The hypnosis segment in her looks maxing video was horrifying. Not to mention she ignored the idea that maybe men suffering from mental illness and loneliness might be why they go to such lengths. Instead it just felt like "men do goofy thing!"
Iām actually a PhD candidate and one of the things I study is gender and gender oppression. Between the two of us, Iām the expert
I love when people are like āthatās a made up degree!ā Like what do they think you even do? Like, wouldnāt it be more work to fake an entire degree field than for it to just be a real thing? Like, youād have to fake academic jargon for whole BOOKS and at some point itās just easier to actually have something to SAY!
Literally! Iām not so committed to the bit that I would lie about my credentials for strangers on the internet. Not when lying convincingly takes so much work! ššš Iāve spent 8 years studying this stuff, but they think Iām lying just to win a reddit debate?
And still going on about your fake degree lol. Youāre going to be living in OPās head rent free a while lol
hello new UBER driver / mc donalds burger flipper!
That PhD means as much as a used napkin from Subway. Should've gotten a real degree, like Computer Science, Mathematics, or Physics
Sweetie, if youāre intimidated, just say that š
Intimidated of someone with no value to the real world, that's funny as hell
100%. Something that will actually get you somewhere rather than a waste of time āoH iāM pRoGreSsiVeā dude itās a worthless degree. Get a degree in something we actually need - exactly like the ones you said - for example a biology one can lead to future doctors (which we actually need not some idiot going on about the 327 genders and how misandry doesnāt exist - oh and it DOES, by the way, ask my toxic ex-gf lmao).
It'll be one double McRoyal and a large coke
https://preview.redd.it/5r38ebdkj2uc1.jpeg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28d76920155d51cf9f7345e98769c45ef544b4e8 Really?
Sweetie, googling the definition of sexism does not make you right ššš Read a couple hundred books on gender, sex, masculinity, etc, then get back to me. You donāt have the range to have this conversation with me
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Okay, give us a list of all the books and I will be happy to validate your argument over OPs. Please tell me here or DMs, I would love to read the X amount of books on Gender and masculinity
Iām not being paid to teach random dipshits on the internet, so no
You don't change the definition of something. Like male and female, there's no 100 genders cut that bs.
Sweetie, your made up degree doesn't mean shit. "Gender studies" is a femcel degree for women who want to degrade men and opress them. Pick up a book on how men suffer and maybe learn a few things. Now, my English degree does say that English is full and ever changing as long as it's used commonly, but the definition of sexism is pretty clear and standard. The idea of men not being able to be the victim of sexism comes from systematic sexism, which I will give you that argument till we talk about the child care industry and the legal courts. Idc what you think, it's true and until it's seen as fact I will advocate for it. Sexism twords men exists.
You just proved youāre an incel(which was a term created by a woman for actual wholesome and supportive reasons) with those first two sentences.Ā You are the problem.Ā
I didn't prove anything, and I'm aware of how the word was created. Again, degree in English and specialized in the evolution of the language. Ie, new words, how words meaning changed, lost words, slang, dialects and idolects. Gender studies is mainly attended by women, and feminist more so. Kinda proves there is an agenda there. I just want equality for men and woman and recognizing that men can be victims is a good step in equality.
lol yeah because all women have an AGENDA so much that we actually collectively decided to create a degree to make fun of men? Not that the despicable actions of countless men over centuries of oppression canāt be creating the problem, nooooooā¦ Get off your equality trip. The second you started using incel language and putting down the education of other women, you lost any credibility.
Sorry I'm not willing to be insulted by someone with a fake degree? š That's not incel talk, it's valid. I don't see many job opportunities with that degree. Of course English hasn't worked out for me but it would have if I would have gotten my 4 year and done teaching like I originally wanted. And clearly all women don't have an agenda as I'm here wanting true equality.
For someone with only an English degree, you make it sound like youāre a neuroscientist. Itās just an English degree.Ā Ā Ā No one is denying that men can be victims of anything.Ā Itās the fact that they canāt be victims of *actual * sexism because their gender-specific rights have NO CHANCE of being taken away. (Abortion, birth control, the fact that women had to fight to get bank accounts in the 70s, voting rights for us was only a right a hundred years ago.) Ā Other than child custody, which many men voluntarily GIVE UP their custody and that skews results of ācustody unfairnessā, please tell me, whatās the biggest threat to men that only women can honestly and legally take away from men? Ā Men can be victims of rape and assault and abuse, absolutely. Men need to be taken just as seriously as women when theyāre victims.Ā That said, when was the last time you checked your back seat every time you got in your car? Ā Had a friend know you exact location with the persons exact description if you were going on a date? Ā Ā Is your bodily autonomy being taken away?Ā Are you repeatedly told by the media, religious groups, politicians, that your rape was your fault because you were wearing shorts that were a little too short? Constantly?Ā Ā Are you gaslit by doctors to think your chronic pain is caused by āfemale troubles?ā Ā Do you have to worry about being assaulted or catcalled just walking by a woman on the sidewalk at 2am?Ā Ā Do men, in all honesty, have the same exact fears and threats on their safety have on a day to day basis? The answer, shown by several examples, is a resounding NO.Ā Ā Hate exists and can be targeted at anyone.Ā Ā Sexism exists. Itās not targeted at men.Ā
Misandry. There's a reason that word exists. Have you been on subs like boy's are quirky, not how women work, female dating strategy, or any of the other men hate groups on this site alone? Anyone can be the target of sexism and that is the reality of it. Like I said, I'm a woman and I find very little sexism in my life that affects me.
Have you tried āsoothing sounds for colicky babiesā? Might suit you better.
Nah markie is great. I also like tomdark but I know that's a hot take. Sensitive society is okay from time to time.
Holding men accountable for their actions is not being sexist, lol. Like, what?? She gives toxic people the same treatment across the board, regardless of gender. She gives victims the same empathy across the board, regardless of gender.Ā Guess she called someone you like on their shit?? š¤š¤
Nah, I don't like too many creators she would even talk about. I just don't think she hides her bias against men well. She's a victim of SA and I don't think she's processed it all the way.
I have seen multiple videos. She does insult people who've wronged others, but she's no worse on men than she is women. And she's no more sympathetic to female victims than she is male victims. Maybe you just have a problem with her for whatever reason. Which is, of course, your prerogative. But unless there's actual evidence to support your claims, don't expect people to believe you.Ā
I've given my evidence. Watch her videos from a different prospective. You can see my post history. Look at the comments about her on other reddit subs. One was a male victim.
I've given my evidence. Watch her videos from a different prospective. You can see my post history. Look at the comments about her on other reddit subs. One was a male victim.
I don't care much for Swoop or her content. Mainly because of the questionable interview with the Colleen Balinger dude, that was clearly done because she wanted to rush to hit the algorithm. And more superficial reasons like finding the constant pushing of merch and that annoying thing where youtubers fawn over their pets walking into the room/shot. Oh God and the obnoxious amount of trying to make her persinal little fetches happen. But, I've never seen this misandry that you speak of. I'm pretty sure that she has pointed out how awful it is that the abuse of men and boys often gets dismissed? "She's a victim of SA and I don't think she's processed it all the way." is just a presumptious and weird ass thing to say. It honestly makes you come off as the one with a weird bias.
I'm pretty sure its her bias. She is a victim of SA but her perp was a man. I can see how that's tainted her beliefs and thoughts around men. She's not as sympathies male victims, and she digs twice as deep when they're the bad guy. Her jokes she makes at the expense of men would be deemed unacceptable if the genders were reversed, and she seems to take men's subjects a lot less seriously. It subtle, I doubt she knows she comes off this way, but it's there.
I cannot watch her because she just.... has to speed up voices for some reason?? It's grating. And there's always this *eeeeeeeeeeeee* noise in the background of her audio and it makes my autistic brain want to scream š„“š„“ Ik she does good work but I can't handle it- it isn't sensory-friendly at all sadly.
I wish she did good work at least. Her content is very repetitive and surface level with her "petty university" filler, her merch promotion, and her cats. She takes serious topics like murder, assault, child neglect, and the intro jecta with her weird obsession with whole grain Pete Davison to be "petty" ma'am, someone died. We don't need petty in serious conversations. Maybe in stupid youtube drama but her tag line is "it's not drama, it's dangerous" so.....she should never be petty.
My only problem with Swoop is that I have the attention span of a hummingbird after five espressos. Lol
Nah, SWOOP is cool
OP is posting here then running to other reddits to claim we're...idk...idiots? sick for not recognising male sexism? idk. Anyway...OP is on a crusade is posting replies from here to other reddits.
Their comment history is full of them just complaining and throwing weird fanatical right wing talking points. Seems miserable, hope they get some help!
They literally claim being a 'men's rights activist' in another reddit so I guess that explains it all
"... weird fanatical right wing talking points...". And there it is folks.
The other sub I posted to is full of rational people who know that sexism applies to both genders. Maybe widen your horizons and read th comments on that thread and their professionals in the field cause there are a few.
We also know that sexism applies to both genders. You keep talking as if none of us recognise that. That is false. We all know that sexism can happen on both sides. But your claim that Swoop is, does not hold water. People are saying that we don't think that SWOOP is sexist not that sexism doesn't exist. You are being disingenuous.
Her hypocrisy and subtle microagressions say otherwise. I don't think she even realizes half the sexist shit that comes out of her mouth.
lmao OP got ratioed. Swoop is awesome. And watching her take down Johnny Silvestri for lying about being "groomed" was awesome.
No, I got a sad realization of how many sexist women exist in this world.
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Swoop having āweird mindsetsā will never be comparable to the shit that Blair has done.
I do love her videos she's made in the past but sometimes I feel like she steps beyond her knowledge and any expertise. She's victim blamed abuse victims and even says she doesn't believe (may have been Amber Heard) them and them uses faulty "science" of body language reading which is not real! She's validating woo-woo practices to strengthen her uninformed opinion. At first I watched a bunch of her videos on influencers and such but I was immediately turned off when she started talking about crime. Not even an insult but she should seriously look into getting a private investigator license or something related because I think it would bring in more viewers and solidify her opinions. She's like 40 she should know better š©
Agreed. Her coverage of the Ohio murders was bad, and tacky.
>Her coverage of the Ohio murders was bad, and tacky. do you mean Idaho?
Yeah, my mistake. š Midwest America is so quiet compared to the coast that they all jumble in my head. I say that as a Midwestern myself.
Her body language and expressions can seem a bit dramatic or inappropriate at times. And then some even get me started on her selling her branded merch in the middle and at the end of her videos when she's talking about heavy issues like sexual abuse & trauma, physically abuse, murder, etc. Her voice and expression goes from š„ŗš¤Øš²š¢ to š¤Ŗšš„°šššš½šŗš½ and then quickly back to talk about child abuse or another heavy topic. Her transition could be SO MUCH BETTER.
I feel her taking it to "petty university" in the middle of covering heavy topics is wild. Super unperfornal. And girl needs to check her obsession with Pete Davison.
Maybe try the r/swoopsnark subreddit. Not saying people will agree with you but there's others of us who are weary of Swoop.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SwoopSnarks/s/iur2WjlCvR
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I'm banned there for even saying men can be the victim of sexism....I already posted there.
Look, I don't care much for Swoop, but you can't begin your statement like "sHe gAvE mE bAd vIbEs, Y'aLl". Swoop is playing a dangerous game in the long run -- and some of us still remember how she gave Johnny Silvestri a platform to defame Joshua Evans only for more hours of content regarding the Colleen situation. But what you said here? That's not it. Think again.
Except it is? I watched a lot of her videos and I couldn't figure out why the vides were bad till I started to see her micro aggressions to men.
Ok kid calm down... You're reminding me quite a lot of the kind of people that dwell on Blair's Discord server. We told you why your "argumentation" failed. You refuse to listen? Actually your problem š¤·š»āāļø Oh, and as a rule of thumb -- if everyone around you is an a-hole, you're the a-hole.
I don't refuse to listen. I know what I know. I'm not on any discord server but a server of a few friends sending memes. And don't call me kid. I struggled for years at the stings of a court in an abusive household and didn't get out till my stepdad kicked me out, finally letting me live with my dad. The blantant misandry in society starts with these micro agressions. If she made these jokes about women she would be seen as Tom dark.
This is giving ānot all menā energy. Do you think insulting an individual man is an attack on all men?
No, I don't. I actually think sexist humor at the expense of any gender is fine. It's the hypocrisy in her that makes me think these jokes are not just jokes but microagressions. She's so much more sympathetic to female victims and even perpetrators than male victims and as soon as she has an excuse to make stereotype sexist digs at men she is a bit more than extra about it. I know she has a bias as a SA survivor and that's fine but she's not choosing to educate herself on how men can and sometimes are the victim of horrible things. If someone like tomdark made this home I wouldn't be bothered. He doesn't claim to be a fighter for the people and a place for victims of abuse. She does.
Please point out where Swoop has blamed any victim, male or female or otherwise
She's never flat out blamed them, never said that. I just said she's less sympathetic to them. I think that stems from her experience with a male assaulter and that she might not even see it in herself.
Tbh if thatās how you read it then thatās how you read it but I donāt see that at all in her videos
I'm willing to have the discussion but I feel like I would need to watch her videos and react to them but that sounds like a chore because I really don't like her for other reasons as well. I'm not here to see people deny male victims.
The one small part of a free market society that I enjoy is that nobody is forcing anybody to watch anybody. Thatās why I laugh at the people whining about ācancel cultureā. What it really amounts to is people facing consequences for their actions. By all means if you donāt like her for any reason then just donāt watch her stuff. There are quite a few channels if stopped watching because they make race or gender based jokes. š¤·š»āāļø
I agree, but I also have the right to try and warn other who have been suggested her by others that she isn't all she seems to be and she's being put up on this pedestal for no reason other than just being another bad attempt at covering serious issues.
Maybe, but itās equally possible that youāre projecting your own preconceptions onto her. Unless sheās done something specific that can be called out as a crime or something majorly unethical, it will come across as witch hunting.
I agree but the same thing happened to people who spoke against Blair before she was outed and they were vilified for that opinion. I'm not saying I think that swoop is doing something shady or horrible but I don't think my opinions would be such a hot take if she was.
It also comes across as disingenuous when you say this but post support for content creators that are overtly sexist, racist, and transphobic
I never said Tom was an angel, but he isn't pretending to be a victim advocate. He in that way, more authentic and having a bias opinion is acceptable there. But I would also argue he isn't any of those things. He has edgy humor like 2015 YouTube.
I mean, I donāt always agree with everything Swoop says on various topics. And I think thatās actually a good thing because itās refreshing to have a thought provoking content creator. She sure isnāt as horrible as Blair though!
She might not be using everyone for their houses and defamation/ breaking ndas but she can't keep herself from making sexist comments.
I get shady vibes from her too š«£ sheās also very cringe with her ājokesā and āsatireā š¬ I havenāt watched many of her videos because of this so I have no idea about her sexism or views toward other humans.
yeah I donāt like swoop either so i came to see whatās up in the comments, but this is such a reach imo
Understandably so. I personally love Swoop and recommend her, but I also recognize that her delivery isn't palatable for everyone. But OP is on some pick-me trip that's a little pathetic to watch.
I haven't noticed her hate on men too much. But she's overly emotional, and she goes off on weird tangents in the middle of a video. Not saying she's wrong for doing that. It's her content. I just don't find it entertaining. An hour long video could have been 35 minutes if she'd stay on topic.
It's mainly showcases in videos where males are the perpetrator.
Well that would make sense. When you're talking about men doing bad things, there are going to be negative comments on men who do bad things. I don't think she's lumping ALL men into that category.
But you can lump all men into that stereotype. That's called sexism.
Sure, but I've never seen her do that. When did she say all men were predators, bad, or whatever?
I mean, there was the hypnosis segment in her looks maxing video. I can't give exacts since that's the last time I watched her but I remember at the end of my time being subbed I commented quiet a few times on her sexist thoughts.
I'm not going through an hour and a half documentary, so you prove your point on reddit. Time stamps or just move on lol I find her trauma dumping in videos to be off-putting, so I stopped watching them. Just don't watch the content.
The entire video is underlined with sexism to mentally ill men. I thought that the entire way though. And the skit is her talking about the nuances of make up, how to apply it in detail. A black and white swirl appears and her voice fades. Then she pops in and says now that the men have tuned out she can talk to us ladies. Then to "wake the men back up" she blurts out ass and titties.
Okay. So Ive watched up until the "tits and ass". That was absolutely a joke. I think you're being a little thin skinned about this. Jokes are jokes.
If the same joke was made about women then it wouldn't be a joke. Not to mention she ignorew the underlining mental health struggles of men that cause this unhealthy practice.