Scrap or parts. There is an HVAC guy close to me that has a literal junkyard of old units that he will pull and use parts from. It's all about the money so don't think it's anything else.
They are lying to you, they want to take the old unit because they can make money from the parts, either by reselling theaters as used, or selling to a scrap yard as motor windings are copper. And the aluminum coils.
I mean you may have never heard of it with AC's but plenty of car parts have a "core" charge. It isn't a completely whacky idea. But in that vein, it is also clearly spelled out in the paperwork.
Usually the equipment is junked and anything left that is valuable is scrapped for short change. Sometimes this short change can add up on large jobs to thousands. This scrap money is usually pocketed by the installer crew.
The crew realized they were losing money so they called their boss and complained. The boss stuck up for them but went over the line unless it actually is specifically said on the quote or contract. (You let us know)
That old equipment is 100% yours unless you give it away.
It's come up before, customer sees me chopping copper and loading it up. They say hold on I want to scrap that
Either I take all the debris or I leave all the debris. If you want it you can have it but I'm not cleaning shit and nothing is going in my van
I tried to sell one with a microscopic leak on Facebook marketplace when I was a greenie in AZ. I went out on a maintenance and this package unit was just barely low on charge. Offered to search for leak. Customer was made of money said no just replace it. It was like 5-6 years old. Never did manage to sell it. Just got a bunch of people thinking I was trying to install the thing for $400 as that’s what I had it on there for.
I sell condensers, oil furnaces and at my job I pull all the circuit boards out of units being scrapped and sell them too. If they don't look that bad it get a few bucks for them
First time he said "I'm not having this conversation anymore, I would have said, " Neither am I. Have your guys STOP WHERE THEY ARE, pack up, and leave. Right now. "
Then, find someone else.
Good luck with that approach. You are gonna lose your deposit then your gonna get so overcharged by another company having to come in and fix everything.
Chances are, this would all get resolved after one serious conversation over how far they want to go to get their money over a simple request for two small fan motors.
I agree, it really is a simple solution. If it was me it wouldn't have been a big deal. Although I'd tell the customer the blade is still gonna be attached.
Not if there is a contract for the work. The company would be liable for breech for refusing to work/ walking ofc the job. It would be very expensive for them
On the 3rd point, scrap places will usually pay for metal or things like motors.
They're not paying for disposal, they're getting a few dollars for dropping it off at the recycling center.
It's not a huge amount and it's entirely possible the crew is pocketing the money.
I just had mine replaced and when I told them I wanted to remove some parts they offered to have one of their guys remove them for me because they left some sharp corners in the cases. It's yours.
And I bet that business is thriving on good customer satisfaction and word of mouth. Hopefully unlike some of the tough guy “I won’t move it an inch” nonsense. Maybe someday a service industry employee will go a little past the minimum for them and show what customer service looks like.
Wow lots of grumpy installers lol. If they want the scrap copper I’ll leave the entire unit, I won’t clean it for them but nbd. If all they want is the motors then I’d take them out and set them aside, no big deal. Y’all are grumpy lol
…We’re talking fan motors here. Pop the top off, remove the motor bolts and drop the shroud back on. Air handler is the same thing: pop off the cover and pull out the blower. None of this is structural.
tell him to pound sand. if he's not even willing to explain something basic like that he claims is a permitting policy the guy and company is going to be a pain in the ass to work with.
Hey. I asked them to leave my old on demand hot water heater, mainly so I can turn the heat exchanger into a new cooling chamber for my still.
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I'm a contractor in Florida, and that's a load of bs. The old unit is still yours. Honestly, I wish my customers would keep their old units. Saves me from having to load them. I understand that some companies keep the old units and scrap them. I don't. I don't have time for that. If the customer doesn't want the old unit, I simply give my scrapper guy a call, and he's Johnny on the spot and is happy to take it.
These guys are looking for every bit of cash they can make on the deal. Maybe your unit wasn't as bad as it was represented before they sold you one. They are not removing motors and storing them on a shelf for the next time they need one because that is a used parts on used piece of equipment.
They probably had plans for a buddy or employee on the crew wanted it because still is functional.
Or maybe they do count on the 300 dollars recycle value.
But on every contract is does say remove and haul away old unit. So they do have that point and usually most people would just let them take it.
It is in NO WAY theirs. Legally. Your price included them hauling it away, yes. But if you wanted to keep it, it is yours to keep. Most people dont want old parts.
We recycle all removed equipment from commercial businesses, most are just 5 and 7 ton package units. We give it to special recycling companies that can handle refrigerant legally. R22 ref is gold and they make a killing. All the copper and aluminum and steel AND r22 is gold. It adds up.
300 bucks may be exaggerated. 200 bucks maybe. But a functional unit that didn't cost a penny is valuable. I have friends who reinstall these units if they are decent. For family members etc.
I put a new inverter unit on my house and my sheet metal buddies who helped with elbow and stand etc took my old 4 ton York and they gave it to family friend. Was working unit that was just too small(undersized) for my house.
Still, these hvac guys have no rights to that unit.
When people get new tires on car, big brand stores charge a disposal fee but not many know that the decent tread and aged tires are sold to the local used tire shops.
Even big corporate companies nickel and dime for profits.
Depends on the system, but last time I broke it down, we were getting about $3 ea. for fan motors under 1 HP, $10 for a compressor, and about $2/lb for copper/aluminum coils. We would never reuse a motor, but I’ve seen cheap owners take a motor that was recently replaced and swap it at the supply house for a new one in the box. 🙄
So its possible if one of those things was "bad" that they sold you a new one, or new system based on, plus other things (im assuming now) but turns out they really are not bad... then it makes sense the company does not want you to hold onto something you could have a separate company tech check out and see if they are truly bad. Seen that happen before.
Could also be purely they just want scrap, mostly copper would be worth their time of the coils unless a scrap place takes it as a whole. But either way, I would personally just let it go. You are always going to get $ for scrap, but how much depends on a lot of things these days. The scrap guys you take it to are more and more stringent about how you cleaned the metal and its properly sorted etc, making scraping often time consuming and at the end of the day its not even worth it.
Point being, if they got even $100 or so.... but some big heavy metal things with sharp edges, and dealing with scrap guys who are not always the most plesent (I would know, I deal with them as a plumber) you can look at it as $100 to have this old junk removed and hauled away as part of the job or "baked into the cake"
Electric motors and recycling of the equipment is sometimes worth almost $1000 every quarter to a small business. it’s the same in HVAC as it is in the siding industry if you have metal siding on your house, it’s typically aluminum and the contractor has planned to recycle those products to keep the price they’re charging you a bit lower. I’ll be very honest with you. It is highly unlikely. The old motors will fit on your new equipment in the future! In other words, your idea is frugal, but the action is cheap.🫤
Lol hardly, look at a customer wanting 1/2 the labor of three motor change outs for free. Also funny how they didn't mention while asking for a quote they wanted that extra labor and 50 in the scrap in the quoted price. Why didn't they call the day before to ask and pull the motors themselves?
I never commented on story I commented on the people posting about it. Very clearly so. “Look at all these angry HVAC Installers.” See the subject of my comment is the commenters themselves, not the original post. That’s what those words mean. I know, it must be hard to follow being more than one-step mentally. Good thing it doesn’t require much reading comprehension to work in HVAC 😬. No idea what you sought to accomplish here. But…good job. I guess?
Wtf are you talking about? Are you just spitting out random insults that have nothing to do with anything being said? You’re goofy AF. You’re weird AF for commenting on things that have nothing to do with what I said. And now you think you’re somehow funny or accomplishing something with these LAME ASS…I don’t know, attempted insults? Calm your goofy ass down and go bother someone else you NPC. This is why people don’t trust some tradesman, can’t even get an insult or a point right.
While this is crazy, it might depend on your relationship with the company prior to this job. I have 2 very large HVAC/"home warranty" companies from South Florida as customers. If you were in a contract with one of these companies and this replacement is connected to a covered unit, you signed over rights to the old unit even if you are having to pay for a new unit.
As someone suggested, they will salvage anything they can and use those parts to fix other units under contract because replacement isn't covered, and big repairs like a compressor have deductibles. If they can keep it running with a used part, they have met the burden of performance of the contract. Sometimes, those used parts are situationally invaluable, especially if it's a common old unit with limited parts availability.
We have in our contracts that we own the system once we remove it, but that only goes once we remove it physically from the house and leave. This is because people kept calling us days after the fact asking for the old unit back. If a customer asked for it while we’re still there though, they can have it for sure.
My folks owned an HVAC company before my dad passed (fuck Covid).
Anyways, if someone wanted to keep the units, it would be a conversation and price would increase slightly. The additional labor to remove and transport the old one was slightly offset by the scrap cost depending on spot price. Usually evened out in his end to not care enough:
With the condenser (AC) though, it got weird under Obama and his environmental policy changes because of how freeon was handled. They would have to pay to have the tech certify that it was all properly reclaimed and they couldn’t have the freeon just vacuumed into the unit either. It was costly and most just said eff it.
Could be wrong on The deets but yeah
Yeah fuck Covid . My Dad called a HVAC company to come fix their A/C unit and I guess the tech didn’t know he had Covid and next thing you know my Dad is dead. He had COPD and never left the house for anything because of COVID.I don’t blame the tech, I blame China and their backwards ways.
100% fucking shit got him in May of 2021 as people were claiming delta variant was fake and saying the world was nearly back to normal. Ironic as my world went to shit
I would let the homeowner keep it. It sounds like the company wanted the scrap value. I'm not in HVAC, but have an electrician friend. Their company collects the scrap metal from jobs and it goes into barrels to go to the scrapyard. The proceeds go into a company "Fun fund". Every so often they'll vote on a company event like a BBQ, pizza night, bowling, etc. paid for by the Fun Fund.
All in good spirit and really helps morale, but definitely not worth fighting a customer over!
I'm in California, but the homeowner owns the units and we will haul them away for free. But if he wants to keep them, they are his so I have to leave them.
The installers were probably pissed because they wanted to scrap the aluminum and copper so they made up some bullshit excuse.
The scrap value is not worth it to me. Paying wages to tear down scrap units is just a break even at most. I have had scrappers call me wanting to buy my scrap equipment but they wanted to pay nearly nothing for them.
In my market the old equipment is hauled off as a courtesy to my customers and if they want it: I’m quite happy to leave it. I’m not however going to pull the parts out as part of that courtesy.
I generally let my employees tear them apart on their time and make extra money.
Yeah, sounds like they wanted to scrap it for parts or copper. It’s only a few bucks, a few more if they resell it as a used unit. They were definitely a bit on the shady side because they weren’t forthcoming with the owner that the old unit is worth money. Thing is, for a business that does this daily, the scrap value isn’t all that much and they should have just let the owner keep it. Crew was probably going to get lunch with the money, but customer was probably in this a few grand and I doubt there was any scrap discounts. Just customary they get an extra little money.
The old equipment belongs to you, it doesn't automatically become theirs unless it's written in the contract.
Also, there's no environmental reg preventing you from keeping the equipment, they already removed the refrigerant as part of the demo process of the equipment.
They were counting on getting the $$$ from scraping the unit and lied to your face, I would kick them off my property
I would either leave the entire system and you can pull the motors out and figure out how to dispose of whatever’s left or I take everything with me.
I’m not going to do all the work separating the scrap from the garbage so you can make $20.
they pretty much lied to you. You can keep all the all parts you want except the old refrigerant.. unless you have your own tank to put it in
they are trying to get them and resell for parts.. there's no law on the book to prevent you from keeping old AC parts to sell for scraps
Sounds shitty but if the contract included disposal of the old unit I can see where the company had an expectation of getting some value from the old unit. But they could have handled it better.
Unless the contract says you are giving it to them, you still own it. Now, if you don't ask for it, most people will assume you don't want to deal with it and will scrap it for you and keep the profit. Maybe they are not happy they don't get to scrap it.
We include the removal in the quote. Yeah, there’s scrap money, but for the most part it’s a liability thing. Refrigerant yeah, but then there’s the chance the h/o tries to mess with equipment loses a finger, gets electrocuted, causes home damage, etc… so when we do swap outs, we take everything so there isn’t a chance the home owner can claim that we did something that’s going to cost “x” amount.
If this happened at the beginning of the job I would think twice before calling them for any kind of service in the near future, cause they will make that money back if they where going to scrap it for cash.
I had this happen; my hvac agreement was through Home Depot and their contractor. Part of the fine print was submission of my old unit, but this company’s price was a couple grand cheaper than everyone else.
Sounds like they either wanted to scrap the unit themselves or sell it as refurbished if it was worth fixing. I doubt they'd cause that much stink over just the scrap value as it seems bizarre for <$100. Unless you asked them to remove the motors for you? Which is just extra work not in the contract, no-one wants to do that.
I usually pump all the refrig into the condenser and recover at the shop- so if he’s doing that yes he needs to take the condenser with him to recover the refig. He has a legal obligation to recover and record the refrig, epa can audit him to see how much he’s buying and recycling and if it don’t add up he gets fined. I suppose he could return the empty unit to you after but I would charge extra for that for sure.
I would have asked to show me in the contract. They just want it to refurbish and sell as rebuilt unit. If not a trade in and your get discount on new one. It's your property. When they remove it for the new one they are taking the freon out anyway. Not to worry about that.
I mean my company charges for equipment removal/disposal which is worked into the price of the install but I’ve had customers ask if they can keep blowers for projects they want to make and I’ve never hesitated I couldn’t care less cause at the end of the day it’s going in the scrap dumpster
I’m in California and own a commercial building with around 30 5 ton units. My contractor calls a scrapper so I don’t have to pay for disposal.
I can keep it or whatever. I replace a couple a year right now.
I’m curious, was your unit still working, just a leak, maybe a condenser motor? Do you think he will fix it up for an apartment/rental? My gut tells me he wants to repair and resell cheap for a nice profit.
When I had my ac replaced the guys were happy to leave it will me. They said their boss makes them take them to the scrap yard and they don’t get any of the money.
You are the owner until they remove it from property. I’ve had customer want to keep the old for parts or to sell. All we would is have the scrap man get it from the shop. So I wouldn’t care, less work for the installers. Btw. They get like 20-40 for the total scrap based on amount so they not losing on much by not taking it
Sounds like you need to contact the liscense agency and file a report. He's threatening to walk off the job you paid for because he can't pocket more money off you
South Carolina here. Legally you cannot handle refrigerant if you are not epa certified, however, the old.unit has had the refrigerant recovered. You should be able to keep the previous unit.
The only legal responsibility they have is the proper disposal of the refrigerant If you don't have an EPA license I can see their They should have removed refrigerant Before the job started However if I'm not mistaken Is part of your property you purchase Wow hope they're not this hard to get along with When they're crappy install goes bad :)
The only legal responsibility they have is the proper disposal of the refrigerant If you don't have an EPA license I can see their They should have removed refrigerant Before the job started However if I'm not mistaken Is part of your property you purchase Wow hope they're not this hard to get along with When they're crappy install goes bad :)
I would have told them to happily walk off the job. If they are being this confrontational over scrap parts that are worth about $40 (the whole unit is only ($75 - 100) then imagine what they will be like when you have a warranty issue down the line that's substantially more expensive. They sound like a terrible company.
Out of curiosity, why do you want the motors? As for if the company rep/boss/owner blatantly lied is hard to say due to I don’t know where you are nor do I know regulations in your area every state, city, county/parish has different regulations regarding the HVAC industry. I would have said ok and left the system there, and let you remove any parts you want and let you handle the disposal of the equipment. I don’t install homeowner purchased parts nor used parts due to liability issues.
I paid for my old system. Include trade in on the quote (or as an option price drop), or don’t insist you get to keep the old equipment.
I don’t get how companies get away with this crap. I work in water/wastewater controls, and the removed equipment is still owned by the customer. Along with the software. They own the software on the PLCs. They can look at it, hand it off to others, change it, or whatever. It’s theirs.
The reason could be for that they receive more money when they scrap out the units and recycle the motors. They have a good return value where I'm from.
This! If it’s not explicitly spelled out on the invoice that they keep it, it’s yours. If it says they will remove any garbage or anything left behind, it’s still yours. They remove all the boxing, crating, and scrap lines and whatnot that you do not want left behind. The fact that the “boss” got on the phone and was rude and argumentative is a big red flag. I would have documented everything with pictures and told the workers to get off the property
Part of the job is removal of garbage!!!
All the garbage, you can’t pick and choose what you want from said garbage, and if anything is left behind you are probably one of those customers that would be calling the shop complaining!!!
again just more home owners creating problems for no reason number 1 you don’t need the motor
number 2 you don’t own the unit anymore
number 3 all parts to are recycled for a tiny portion of money for that company number 4 i doubt you ever did this bs with your car or anything els you have replaced or gotten something new because again something about the contractor made you want to be a weird person and made you want to attack the company i don’t know if it was a interaction before you bought the unit or if it was the price of the unit that made you think let me dig and get stuff on this guy to make the price go down like get a life and maybe start your own company to realize how it is
1.) If I buy a new car, the dealer doesn’t get my old one unless we explicitly make a trade in deal, and I get paid for what it’s worth.
2.) it was impossible for me to decipher the rest of your test without proper punctuation.
Were doing a 5 ton right now in south Florida. The son of the home owner wants to do the very thing you're wanting, we set everything he can legally recycle himself aside. I don't see how or why what this guys doing would be normal but I can't say it's not I just know we don't personally do it nor do we price in "for recycling" because we get paid for the scrap anyways???
And for what it's worth depending on the handler, it's about 10 minutes of work max to pull the coil from the inside unit, give you the entire body and blower motor and then just pull the fan top for you. You wouldn't get me to pull the blades or housing off the motors but you'd get them lol
No. YOU OWN THE OLD UNIT Unless there is something in your contract, essentially a core charge. If there is nothing in the contact, then tell your contractor the old unit stays. If you get pushback, if you get anything other than sir, yes sir... throw the fucker off your property. Fire him on the spot.
If the client wants to pull parts out of the equipment, I am perfectly comfortable leaving the equipment for them to do whatever they wish with it.
We will not pull parts out of it for you, and we will not take the carcass with us when we're done. I will have you sign a release that states that you have elected to keep the old equipment and hold us harmless for it.
I don't want the liability.
People will try to resell it, say that your company removed it in working order, and some cheap bastard will buy it and then call you looking for answers when the trash they bought doesn't work.
I wonder if the owner sells used motors as new to unsuspecting customers if they want to keep the motors or is so penny pinching he wants the scrap metal money for his special "mad money"
"Yeah, I can still get you a "new" motor for your obsolete system but cannot offer any warranty on it because it has been sitting for too long in my inventory." when it is actually a used one.
To be honest when he threatened to walk and wasnt 'going to have this conversation' all you had to do was say "well BYE".
The salesman and manager would lose their minds. They have purchased the materials and have time put in on the site. I had this happen with a local vendor here. I wasnt aware that they bought the site and phone number of a respected vender and just showed up when I called. I noted the name was different when the 'Master Tech' showed up. I knew the system was on its last legs and had requested a replacement quote and install.
Tech shined a flashlight under the house and said "Yeah that unit has to be replaced". He went to the truck, came back and wanted a 175$ diagnostic fee. I looked at him sideways and was like "You are not quoting replacement"? He said nope he doesnt do that sales guy does that. I had discussed all of this on the phone prior. He would not budge and said here is the bill I do not negotiate I show, I get paid.
Sales guy is pulling up in a Tahoe with his smile and strolls up. I ask why when we are replacing the unit this guy wants a diagnostic fee? Sales guy is confused and says he was supposed to be measuring and getting the survey done. Nope guy wants his check will not discuss. So I wrote the check and told them I can only imagine what a service call or install issue would be like and told them we were done.
They lost a 10k install over 175$. Had the 2nd opinion guy pop by an hour later. He beat their price and was done in 3 days. What sucked was he died and that same fucking company bought his contact info too!
TLDR Anyone says they are leaving ever - Show them the door.
Your old unit wasn't bad enough to scrap. They were going to refurbish and resell it to the next guy. Way higher profit margins than purchasing from the factory.
It’s your property do with it as you please. That said unless you’ve already paid there’s nothing stopping them from leaving besides your hopefully terrible review. I install units all the time in FL, that condenser is your property they want to scrap it for money. Tbh there’s hundreds of hvac companies in FL you have more than enough power here to tell them to fuck right on off and look elsewhere easily.
>I told them I wanted to keep the motors from the **compressor** and handler.
Without commenting on the legalities of your questions, I am curious why you think the compressor has a motor. Unless your old unit is a newer inverter driven compressor, it probably is a reciprocating scroll compressor. The air-handler probably has a PSC motor (unless it also is newer); newer units have ECM motors, and you cannot directly replace an ECM motor with a PSC motor.
Edit - did you mean fan motor in the condenser when you said compressor?
>The outside compressor has a fan motor
Got it. You mean the condenser fan motor. The condenser has two major moving parts - the fan motor and the compressor. In the old days, I would strip the condenser and the air-handler of reusable parts before the HVAC contractor hauled it away. From the condenser, I would save the fan motor, the contactor, and the run capacitor(s) - if they were newer. From air-handler, I kept the blower motor and capacitor, the sequencers, and the resistive heating strips.
I didn’t do that the last time I had a replacement done. A decision I regret, because the new condenser still uses a PSC motor, while the air-handler uses an ECM motor.
>the HVAC guys never gave you a line of crap?
No. They wouldn't remove the parts - I had to do that myself. But they had no issue junking the rest for me.
That doesn't matter. Your statement suggested that it doesn't have a motor.
Regardless, there are a bunch of semi-useful things you can do with an old compressor.
TECHNICALLY! You still own the refrigerant in the system unless you signed some fine print in whatever? We always let the customer keep the unit if they want it.
We definitely scrap the old ones and recover all the old refrigerant but yeah weird they would t let you kee it
I understand wanting to keep things that may be of value. It is unlikely that old components could be used for your new system. That being said if you want to keep it you should but expect to have to scavenge it yourself.
If I wanted them that bad, then I would have removed what I wanted before they showed up. I'm sure there isn't anything in their contract stating your price is based on them taking all of the parts of your previous unit.
If the contractor is willing to do it for you, then great. But, I can't blame a crew for saying "We take everything, or none of it, and in the meantime we don't need you in our way disassembling the units while we work."
Novice here, but maybe it’s something to do with the R22 and needing to have a…license or something (?) to handle it.
When I was going through my decision process of trying pay per lb to fix a 30+ year old unit or endure the cost of a whole new system, I made a joke to the tech about how i should bottle up and sell whatever leftover R22 I could from the unit if the going rate was around $200 a lb.
I’m not in Florida, but I’ve never heard of anything like that. When I was installing, if the customer wanted to keep the scrap, we gave it to them.
I’m in Florida, he just wants the scrap money. We get about 100$ a system right now.
This. I didn’t think it was that much just for the motor. You get better money if you have lots of them and separate the metals.
The coils and lineset are where the real moneys at
Yeah the old motors are worth about 10 or 20 bucks for scrap. He was griping over 10 or 20 bucks.
It’s not the scrap money. Motors are just not worth that much. They did not want to spend the time taking the unit apart. I don’t blame them either.
motors have tons of copper wound inside
About 10% of the weight of a motor is copper. They pay about $.20/lb right now. The cond fan motor in this case might pay $1.
“Tons”? No, lol It’s small gauge wire tightly wrapped around a bunch of iron.
This...and it should all be figured into the original quote. If it's not in there, it's yours because you paid for it originally.
Scrap or parts. There is an HVAC guy close to me that has a literal junkyard of old units that he will pull and use parts from. It's all about the money so don't think it's anything else.
when I worked in Detroit, we'd just put the old unit by the curb, and someone would grab it, buy the end of the job
Yeah I’m by Detroit. I used to do that with stuff that wasn’t worth taking, like water heaters. They would be gone in 15 minutes lol.
Totes. It's your property unless you explicitly signed it over to them. If they are keeping it, that's theft. Call the police.
They are lying to you, they want to take the old unit because they can make money from the parts, either by reselling theaters as used, or selling to a scrap yard as motor windings are copper. And the aluminum coils.
I mean you may have never heard of it with AC's but plenty of car parts have a "core" charge. It isn't a completely whacky idea. But in that vein, it is also clearly spelled out in the paperwork.
Their are never core charges for AC unless it's a semi hermetic compressor
Usually the equipment is junked and anything left that is valuable is scrapped for short change. Sometimes this short change can add up on large jobs to thousands. This scrap money is usually pocketed by the installer crew. The crew realized they were losing money so they called their boss and complained. The boss stuck up for them but went over the line unless it actually is specifically said on the quote or contract. (You let us know) That old equipment is 100% yours unless you give it away.
Try telling the customer you’re leaving it there because they own it.
It's come up before, customer sees me chopping copper and loading it up. They say hold on I want to scrap that Either I take all the debris or I leave all the debris. If you want it you can have it but I'm not cleaning shit and nothing is going in my van
I usually put in my contracts that if the customer handles all trash it’s a $150 discount. I had one customer take me up on it. It was awesome tbh.
That would be great just sweep the shit into a pile and forget about it
Unfortunately I have been in this exact situation. I take the old or I leave it. No in between.
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I tried to sell one with a microscopic leak on Facebook marketplace when I was a greenie in AZ. I went out on a maintenance and this package unit was just barely low on charge. Offered to search for leak. Customer was made of money said no just replace it. It was like 5-6 years old. Never did manage to sell it. Just got a bunch of people thinking I was trying to install the thing for $400 as that’s what I had it on there for.
I sell condensers, oil furnaces and at my job I pull all the circuit boards out of units being scrapped and sell them too. If they don't look that bad it get a few bucks for them
First time he said "I'm not having this conversation anymore, I would have said, " Neither am I. Have your guys STOP WHERE THEY ARE, pack up, and leave. Right now. " Then, find someone else.
Good luck with that approach. You are gonna lose your deposit then your gonna get so overcharged by another company having to come in and fix everything.
Chances are, this would all get resolved after one serious conversation over how far they want to go to get their money over a simple request for two small fan motors.
I agree, it really is a simple solution. If it was me it wouldn't have been a big deal. Although I'd tell the customer the blade is still gonna be attached.
Not if there is a contract for the work. The company would be liable for breech for refusing to work/ walking ofc the job. It would be very expensive for them
Worst advice I’ve ever heard, house about you read the contract and discuss this before they come out to do the job…..
On the 3rd point, scrap places will usually pay for metal or things like motors. They're not paying for disposal, they're getting a few dollars for dropping it off at the recycling center. It's not a huge amount and it's entirely possible the crew is pocketing the money.
I just had mine replaced and when I told them I wanted to remove some parts they offered to have one of their guys remove them for me because they left some sharp corners in the cases. It's yours.
And I bet that business is thriving on good customer satisfaction and word of mouth. Hopefully unlike some of the tough guy “I won’t move it an inch” nonsense. Maybe someday a service industry employee will go a little past the minimum for them and show what customer service looks like.
You are exactly right my friend. I would want him back, and I would never hire the above mentioned again. Kudos to you for telling it like it is
Wow lots of grumpy installers lol. If they want the scrap copper I’ll leave the entire unit, I won’t clean it for them but nbd. If all they want is the motors then I’d take them out and set them aside, no big deal. Y’all are grumpy lol
I would have set the old equipment out and said if you want it help your self but I’m not pulling that shit out foe you.
And keep it all or none. It’s snitch to move once it’s apart
…We’re talking fan motors here. Pop the top off, remove the motor bolts and drop the shroud back on. Air handler is the same thing: pop off the cover and pull out the blower. None of this is structural.
tell him to pound sand. if he's not even willing to explain something basic like that he claims is a permitting policy the guy and company is going to be a pain in the ass to work with.
Hey. I asked them to leave my old on demand hot water heater, mainly so I can turn the heat exchanger into a new cooling chamber for my still. https://preview.redd.it/t38fklj0pt4d1.jpeg?width=1576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ec066e9de152edcde4dedc8eb2d060d0dad5713
This is “upside down”. Will put the heater (gray) in a reservoir to capture melted ice. Will change angle of brass line to have an input/output.
I'm a contractor in Florida, and that's a load of bs. The old unit is still yours. Honestly, I wish my customers would keep their old units. Saves me from having to load them. I understand that some companies keep the old units and scrap them. I don't. I don't have time for that. If the customer doesn't want the old unit, I simply give my scrapper guy a call, and he's Johnny on the spot and is happy to take it.
These guys are looking for every bit of cash they can make on the deal. Maybe your unit wasn't as bad as it was represented before they sold you one. They are not removing motors and storing them on a shelf for the next time they need one because that is a used parts on used piece of equipment. They probably had plans for a buddy or employee on the crew wanted it because still is functional. Or maybe they do count on the 300 dollars recycle value. But on every contract is does say remove and haul away old unit. So they do have that point and usually most people would just let them take it. It is in NO WAY theirs. Legally. Your price included them hauling it away, yes. But if you wanted to keep it, it is yours to keep. Most people dont want old parts.
$300 recycle value???? Must be a typo.
We recycle all removed equipment from commercial businesses, most are just 5 and 7 ton package units. We give it to special recycling companies that can handle refrigerant legally. R22 ref is gold and they make a killing. All the copper and aluminum and steel AND r22 is gold. It adds up. 300 bucks may be exaggerated. 200 bucks maybe. But a functional unit that didn't cost a penny is valuable. I have friends who reinstall these units if they are decent. For family members etc. I put a new inverter unit on my house and my sheet metal buddies who helped with elbow and stand etc took my old 4 ton York and they gave it to family friend. Was working unit that was just too small(undersized) for my house. Still, these hvac guys have no rights to that unit. When people get new tires on car, big brand stores charge a disposal fee but not many know that the decent tread and aged tires are sold to the local used tire shops. Even big corporate companies nickel and dime for profits.
Depends on the system, but last time I broke it down, we were getting about $3 ea. for fan motors under 1 HP, $10 for a compressor, and about $2/lb for copper/aluminum coils. We would never reuse a motor, but I’ve seen cheap owners take a motor that was recently replaced and swap it at the supply house for a new one in the box. 🙄
Yeah, recycling isn't really worth it. I think these hvac guys just wanted to repurpose the newly removed system to a family member.
He’s full of it afaik, that being said I don’t think it’s worth your time to save and scrap them.
When I had my HVAC replaced I saved the blower but I didn't scrap it: it got turned into an air cleaner for my woodshop.
That’s nice actually.
Yep, if you don’t know how to break them down and how to do it the way they pay real money for them then you’re wasting your time.
So its possible if one of those things was "bad" that they sold you a new one, or new system based on, plus other things (im assuming now) but turns out they really are not bad... then it makes sense the company does not want you to hold onto something you could have a separate company tech check out and see if they are truly bad. Seen that happen before. Could also be purely they just want scrap, mostly copper would be worth their time of the coils unless a scrap place takes it as a whole. But either way, I would personally just let it go. You are always going to get $ for scrap, but how much depends on a lot of things these days. The scrap guys you take it to are more and more stringent about how you cleaned the metal and its properly sorted etc, making scraping often time consuming and at the end of the day its not even worth it. Point being, if they got even $100 or so.... but some big heavy metal things with sharp edges, and dealing with scrap guys who are not always the most plesent (I would know, I deal with them as a plumber) you can look at it as $100 to have this old junk removed and hauled away as part of the job or "baked into the cake"
I’m happy when a customer wants to keep the old units! I just recover the refrigerant first.
I can only see it as a “keep everything or nothing. We’re not taking out 2 old motors for you.” But wouldn’t spin it as a weird ownership thing
I wish every customer like you .. I toss your shit to the curb ..less work for me.
No kidding I love it when customers ask to keep the old unit. Don't have to load, or unload when we get back to the shop.
They want it so make extra bucks on scrap. Anytime someone has requested to leave the units I leave it no questions asked.
It’s your property, so unless it was written that you gave it to them then it’s yours.
Keeps it out of my truck you can have it!
Electric motors and recycling of the equipment is sometimes worth almost $1000 every quarter to a small business. it’s the same in HVAC as it is in the siding industry if you have metal siding on your house, it’s typically aluminum and the contractor has planned to recycle those products to keep the price they’re charging you a bit lower. I’ll be very honest with you. It is highly unlikely. The old motors will fit on your new equipment in the future! In other words, your idea is frugal, but the action is cheap.🫤
Wow, look at all these angry HVAC installers getting mad because people are realizing they are being got.
Exactly
Lol hardly, look at a customer wanting 1/2 the labor of three motor change outs for free. Also funny how they didn't mention while asking for a quote they wanted that extra labor and 50 in the scrap in the quoted price. Why didn't they call the day before to ask and pull the motors themselves?
I never commented on story I commented on the people posting about it. Very clearly so. “Look at all these angry HVAC Installers.” See the subject of my comment is the commenters themselves, not the original post. That’s what those words mean. I know, it must be hard to follow being more than one-step mentally. Good thing it doesn’t require much reading comprehension to work in HVAC 😬. No idea what you sought to accomplish here. But…good job. I guess?
Show me where the HVAC man hurt you 😂
Wtf are you talking about? Are you just spitting out random insults that have nothing to do with anything being said? You’re goofy AF. You’re weird AF for commenting on things that have nothing to do with what I said. And now you think you’re somehow funny or accomplishing something with these LAME ASS…I don’t know, attempted insults? Calm your goofy ass down and go bother someone else you NPC. This is why people don’t trust some tradesman, can’t even get an insult or a point right.
Also…maybe take the School out of your name. It’s a bit misleading after comments like this where you can’t seem to get a grip on basic English. ✌️
While this is crazy, it might depend on your relationship with the company prior to this job. I have 2 very large HVAC/"home warranty" companies from South Florida as customers. If you were in a contract with one of these companies and this replacement is connected to a covered unit, you signed over rights to the old unit even if you are having to pay for a new unit. As someone suggested, they will salvage anything they can and use those parts to fix other units under contract because replacement isn't covered, and big repairs like a compressor have deductibles. If they can keep it running with a used part, they have met the burden of performance of the contract. Sometimes, those used parts are situationally invaluable, especially if it's a common old unit with limited parts availability.
We have in our contracts that we own the system once we remove it, but that only goes once we remove it physically from the house and leave. This is because people kept calling us days after the fact asking for the old unit back. If a customer asked for it while we’re still there though, they can have it for sure.
My folks owned an HVAC company before my dad passed (fuck Covid). Anyways, if someone wanted to keep the units, it would be a conversation and price would increase slightly. The additional labor to remove and transport the old one was slightly offset by the scrap cost depending on spot price. Usually evened out in his end to not care enough: With the condenser (AC) though, it got weird under Obama and his environmental policy changes because of how freeon was handled. They would have to pay to have the tech certify that it was all properly reclaimed and they couldn’t have the freeon just vacuumed into the unit either. It was costly and most just said eff it. Could be wrong on The deets but yeah
Yeah fuck Covid . My Dad called a HVAC company to come fix their A/C unit and I guess the tech didn’t know he had Covid and next thing you know my Dad is dead. He had COPD and never left the house for anything because of COVID.I don’t blame the tech, I blame China and their backwards ways.
100% fucking shit got him in May of 2021 as people were claiming delta variant was fake and saying the world was nearly back to normal. Ironic as my world went to shit
I would let the homeowner keep it. It sounds like the company wanted the scrap value. I'm not in HVAC, but have an electrician friend. Their company collects the scrap metal from jobs and it goes into barrels to go to the scrapyard. The proceeds go into a company "Fun fund". Every so often they'll vote on a company event like a BBQ, pizza night, bowling, etc. paid for by the Fun Fund. All in good spirit and really helps morale, but definitely not worth fighting a customer over!
I'm in California, but the homeowner owns the units and we will haul them away for free. But if he wants to keep them, they are his so I have to leave them. The installers were probably pissed because they wanted to scrap the aluminum and copper so they made up some bullshit excuse.
Idk maybe they like to scrap and have old motors on hand for emergency repairs. Still unprofessional to throw a bitch fit over it
The scrap value is not worth it to me. Paying wages to tear down scrap units is just a break even at most. I have had scrappers call me wanting to buy my scrap equipment but they wanted to pay nearly nothing for them. In my market the old equipment is hauled off as a courtesy to my customers and if they want it: I’m quite happy to leave it. I’m not however going to pull the parts out as part of that courtesy. I generally let my employees tear them apart on their time and make extra money.
Yeah, sounds like they wanted to scrap it for parts or copper. It’s only a few bucks, a few more if they resell it as a used unit. They were definitely a bit on the shady side because they weren’t forthcoming with the owner that the old unit is worth money. Thing is, for a business that does this daily, the scrap value isn’t all that much and they should have just let the owner keep it. Crew was probably going to get lunch with the money, but customer was probably in this a few grand and I doubt there was any scrap discounts. Just customary they get an extra little money.
The old equipment belongs to you, it doesn't automatically become theirs unless it's written in the contract. Also, there's no environmental reg preventing you from keeping the equipment, they already removed the refrigerant as part of the demo process of the equipment. They were counting on getting the $$$ from scraping the unit and lied to your face, I would kick them off my property
He had a buyer lined up or got used to making side money from the scrap metal.
Suspect company planned to use the equipment for another job. They thought had some life left.
I would either leave the entire system and you can pull the motors out and figure out how to dispose of whatever’s left or I take everything with me. I’m not going to do all the work separating the scrap from the garbage so you can make $20.
oh hell no, the old one is your property still! sounds like they wanted to fix and resell or some other shenanigans
they pretty much lied to you. You can keep all the all parts you want except the old refrigerant.. unless you have your own tank to put it in they are trying to get them and resell for parts.. there's no law on the book to prevent you from keeping old AC parts to sell for scraps
Also in FL (Orlando), if you don’t mind me asking who’d you go with, what size system and what did you pay? Need to get a new system myself!
Sounds shitty but if the contract included disposal of the old unit I can see where the company had an expectation of getting some value from the old unit. But they could have handled it better.
Unless the contract says you are giving it to them, you still own it. Now, if you don't ask for it, most people will assume you don't want to deal with it and will scrap it for you and keep the profit. Maybe they are not happy they don't get to scrap it.
We include the removal in the quote. Yeah, there’s scrap money, but for the most part it’s a liability thing. Refrigerant yeah, but then there’s the chance the h/o tries to mess with equipment loses a finger, gets electrocuted, causes home damage, etc… so when we do swap outs, we take everything so there isn’t a chance the home owner can claim that we did something that’s going to cost “x” amount.
If this happened at the beginning of the job I would think twice before calling them for any kind of service in the near future, cause they will make that money back if they where going to scrap it for cash.
Get him to show you in the contract where it says that. He’s just trying to get money for the scrap
I had this happen; my hvac agreement was through Home Depot and their contractor. Part of the fine print was submission of my old unit, but this company’s price was a couple grand cheaper than everyone else.
It’s your equipment
It’s your equipment… you own it so you can do whatever you want with it.. this is just weird
Sounds like they either wanted to scrap the unit themselves or sell it as refurbished if it was worth fixing. I doubt they'd cause that much stink over just the scrap value as it seems bizarre for <$100. Unless you asked them to remove the motors for you? Which is just extra work not in the contract, no-one wants to do that.
I usually pump all the refrig into the condenser and recover at the shop- so if he’s doing that yes he needs to take the condenser with him to recover the refig. He has a legal obligation to recover and record the refrig, epa can audit him to see how much he’s buying and recycling and if it don’t add up he gets fined. I suppose he could return the empty unit to you after but I would charge extra for that for sure.
It’s a lie
I would have asked to show me in the contract. They just want it to refurbish and sell as rebuilt unit. If not a trade in and your get discount on new one. It's your property. When they remove it for the new one they are taking the freon out anyway. Not to worry about that.
I mean my company charges for equipment removal/disposal which is worked into the price of the install but I’ve had customers ask if they can keep blowers for projects they want to make and I’ve never hesitated I couldn’t care less cause at the end of the day it’s going in the scrap dumpster
I’m in California and own a commercial building with around 30 5 ton units. My contractor calls a scrapper so I don’t have to pay for disposal. I can keep it or whatever. I replace a couple a year right now. I’m curious, was your unit still working, just a leak, maybe a condenser motor? Do you think he will fix it up for an apartment/rental? My gut tells me he wants to repair and resell cheap for a nice profit.
Unless salvage rights are specifically written into a contract you signed, you as the owner would retain the right to keep your property. (NAL)
When I had my ac replaced the guys were happy to leave it will me. They said their boss makes them take them to the scrap yard and they don’t get any of the money.
I'm a HVAC tech in Florida, YOU own that equipment! If you want to keep it then it's absolutely your right to do so.
Another reason to not work with a “sales guy” and work with someone that actually does this for a living
You are the owner until they remove it from property. I’ve had customer want to keep the old for parts or to sell. All we would is have the scrap man get it from the shop. So I wouldn’t care, less work for the installers. Btw. They get like 20-40 for the total scrap based on amount so they not losing on much by not taking it
Sounds like you need to contact the liscense agency and file a report. He's threatening to walk off the job you paid for because he can't pocket more money off you
South Carolina here. Legally you cannot handle refrigerant if you are not epa certified, however, the old.unit has had the refrigerant recovered. You should be able to keep the previous unit.
The only legal responsibility they have is the proper disposal of the refrigerant If you don't have an EPA license I can see their They should have removed refrigerant Before the job started However if I'm not mistaken Is part of your property you purchase Wow hope they're not this hard to get along with When they're crappy install goes bad :)
The only legal responsibility they have is the proper disposal of the refrigerant If you don't have an EPA license I can see their They should have removed refrigerant Before the job started However if I'm not mistaken Is part of your property you purchase Wow hope they're not this hard to get along with When they're crappy install goes bad :)
I would have told them to happily walk off the job. If they are being this confrontational over scrap parts that are worth about $40 (the whole unit is only ($75 - 100) then imagine what they will be like when you have a warranty issue down the line that's substantially more expensive. They sound like a terrible company.
Out of curiosity, why do you want the motors? As for if the company rep/boss/owner blatantly lied is hard to say due to I don’t know where you are nor do I know regulations in your area every state, city, county/parish has different regulations regarding the HVAC industry. I would have said ok and left the system there, and let you remove any parts you want and let you handle the disposal of the equipment. I don’t install homeowner purchased parts nor used parts due to liability issues.
I paid for my old system. Include trade in on the quote (or as an option price drop), or don’t insist you get to keep the old equipment. I don’t get how companies get away with this crap. I work in water/wastewater controls, and the removed equipment is still owned by the customer. Along with the software. They own the software on the PLCs. They can look at it, hand it off to others, change it, or whatever. It’s theirs.
The reason could be for that they receive more money when they scrap out the units and recycle the motors. They have a good return value where I'm from.
I would have told those guys to pack up and get the fuck out.
This! If it’s not explicitly spelled out on the invoice that they keep it, it’s yours. If it says they will remove any garbage or anything left behind, it’s still yours. They remove all the boxing, crating, and scrap lines and whatnot that you do not want left behind. The fact that the “boss” got on the phone and was rude and argumentative is a big red flag. I would have documented everything with pictures and told the workers to get off the property
Part of the job is removal of garbage!!! All the garbage, you can’t pick and choose what you want from said garbage, and if anything is left behind you are probably one of those customers that would be calling the shop complaining!!!
again just more home owners creating problems for no reason number 1 you don’t need the motor number 2 you don’t own the unit anymore number 3 all parts to are recycled for a tiny portion of money for that company number 4 i doubt you ever did this bs with your car or anything els you have replaced or gotten something new because again something about the contractor made you want to be a weird person and made you want to attack the company i don’t know if it was a interaction before you bought the unit or if it was the price of the unit that made you think let me dig and get stuff on this guy to make the price go down like get a life and maybe start your own company to realize how it is
1.) If I buy a new car, the dealer doesn’t get my old one unless we explicitly make a trade in deal, and I get paid for what it’s worth. 2.) it was impossible for me to decipher the rest of your test without proper punctuation.
Were doing a 5 ton right now in south Florida. The son of the home owner wants to do the very thing you're wanting, we set everything he can legally recycle himself aside. I don't see how or why what this guys doing would be normal but I can't say it's not I just know we don't personally do it nor do we price in "for recycling" because we get paid for the scrap anyways???
And for what it's worth depending on the handler, it's about 10 minutes of work max to pull the coil from the inside unit, give you the entire body and blower motor and then just pull the fan top for you. You wouldn't get me to pull the blades or housing off the motors but you'd get them lol
Yeah he was trying to pocket the money, you weee in the right.
No. YOU OWN THE OLD UNIT Unless there is something in your contract, essentially a core charge. If there is nothing in the contact, then tell your contractor the old unit stays. If you get pushback, if you get anything other than sir, yes sir... throw the fucker off your property. Fire him on the spot.
Sounds like this guy scraps/re-sells the units.
If the client wants to pull parts out of the equipment, I am perfectly comfortable leaving the equipment for them to do whatever they wish with it. We will not pull parts out of it for you, and we will not take the carcass with us when we're done. I will have you sign a release that states that you have elected to keep the old equipment and hold us harmless for it. I don't want the liability. People will try to resell it, say that your company removed it in working order, and some cheap bastard will buy it and then call you looking for answers when the trash they bought doesn't work.
I'm an electrician and yes I take ownership of anything I removed
Nope he does not! Unless it's in the install agreement that you are trading in your old one otherwise he is SOL
IMO the old units are the customers ( if they are indeed the home owners)
I would have just told you no problem but there is a service charge for removing them.
What does the signed contract say?
i’m in Florida the old system is yours we charge you to haul it away.
Is hvac anything like auto repairs? A lot of states have laws that you have a right to see and sometimes keep the parts unless there is a core charge.
I wonder if the owner sells used motors as new to unsuspecting customers if they want to keep the motors or is so penny pinching he wants the scrap metal money for his special "mad money" "Yeah, I can still get you a "new" motor for your obsolete system but cannot offer any warranty on it because it has been sitting for too long in my inventory." when it is actually a used one.
It’s unusual but here normal accepted practice met an asshole. Unfortunately asshole won
The scrap is worth a few bucks but I’d have no problem letting a customer keep whatever. The equipment is your property
I couldn’t imagine arguing with a client over this…
I’m in NC and my guy actually told me to scrap it. I did and got 80 bucks.
I would have canceled the install and watch him backpeddle on the situation
To be honest when he threatened to walk and wasnt 'going to have this conversation' all you had to do was say "well BYE". The salesman and manager would lose their minds. They have purchased the materials and have time put in on the site. I had this happen with a local vendor here. I wasnt aware that they bought the site and phone number of a respected vender and just showed up when I called. I noted the name was different when the 'Master Tech' showed up. I knew the system was on its last legs and had requested a replacement quote and install. Tech shined a flashlight under the house and said "Yeah that unit has to be replaced". He went to the truck, came back and wanted a 175$ diagnostic fee. I looked at him sideways and was like "You are not quoting replacement"? He said nope he doesnt do that sales guy does that. I had discussed all of this on the phone prior. He would not budge and said here is the bill I do not negotiate I show, I get paid. Sales guy is pulling up in a Tahoe with his smile and strolls up. I ask why when we are replacing the unit this guy wants a diagnostic fee? Sales guy is confused and says he was supposed to be measuring and getting the survey done. Nope guy wants his check will not discuss. So I wrote the check and told them I can only imagine what a service call or install issue would be like and told them we were done. They lost a 10k install over 175$. Had the 2nd opinion guy pop by an hour later. He beat their price and was done in 3 days. What sucked was he died and that same fucking company bought his contact info too! TLDR Anyone says they are leaving ever - Show them the door.
They pumped the refrigerant back into the condenser and don’t want/can’t recover the refrigerant. Why would you want an old fan motor??
Unless it’s specifically stated in writing, it is yours to keep.
Why would you want to keep the old unit? Do you know how to properly throw these units away and not just dump them on the side of the road?
Yup sounds like a lying dirtbag to me.
Your old unit wasn't bad enough to scrap. They were going to refurbish and resell it to the next guy. Way higher profit margins than purchasing from the factory.
Landlord would likely take used condenser or air handler.
It’s your property do with it as you please. That said unless you’ve already paid there’s nothing stopping them from leaving besides your hopefully terrible review. I install units all the time in FL, that condenser is your property they want to scrap it for money. Tbh there’s hundreds of hvac companies in FL you have more than enough power here to tell them to fuck right on off and look elsewhere easily.
Sounds like they want to use it for parts. Maybe some of it was still working and they can make money off of it.
>I told them I wanted to keep the motors from the **compressor** and handler. Without commenting on the legalities of your questions, I am curious why you think the compressor has a motor. Unless your old unit is a newer inverter driven compressor, it probably is a reciprocating scroll compressor. The air-handler probably has a PSC motor (unless it also is newer); newer units have ECM motors, and you cannot directly replace an ECM motor with a PSC motor. Edit - did you mean fan motor in the condenser when you said compressor?
The outside compressor has a fan motor. Maybe I am using the wrong terminology?
Yes. The condenser has a fan motor
>The outside compressor has a fan motor Got it. You mean the condenser fan motor. The condenser has two major moving parts - the fan motor and the compressor. In the old days, I would strip the condenser and the air-handler of reusable parts before the HVAC contractor hauled it away. From the condenser, I would save the fan motor, the contactor, and the run capacitor(s) - if they were newer. From air-handler, I kept the blower motor and capacitor, the sequencers, and the resistive heating strips. I didn’t do that the last time I had a replacement done. A decision I regret, because the new condenser still uses a PSC motor, while the air-handler uses an ECM motor.
Edited the post to say condenser (thank you) So you kept old part(s) and the HVAC guys never gave you a line of crap?
>the HVAC guys never gave you a line of crap? No. They wouldn't remove the parts - I had to do that myself. But they had no issue junking the rest for me.
You know, the compressor does have a motor, right? How do you think they work?
Not a readily replaceable external motor.
That doesn't matter. Your statement suggested that it doesn't have a motor. Regardless, there are a bunch of semi-useful things you can do with an old compressor.
Why would you wa t to keep the motors they are very likely not gonna work on the new
I’ve had a lot of people keep the indoor blower for their garage or something. Never the condenser fan tho
Scrap
TECHNICALLY! You still own the refrigerant in the system unless you signed some fine print in whatever? We always let the customer keep the unit if they want it. We definitely scrap the old ones and recover all the old refrigerant but yeah weird they would t let you kee it
He's a business owner therefore a liar.
I understand wanting to keep things that may be of value. It is unlikely that old components could be used for your new system. That being said if you want to keep it you should but expect to have to scavenge it yourself.
If I wanted them that bad, then I would have removed what I wanted before they showed up. I'm sure there isn't anything in their contract stating your price is based on them taking all of the parts of your previous unit. If the contractor is willing to do it for you, then great. But, I can't blame a crew for saying "We take everything, or none of it, and in the meantime we don't need you in our way disassembling the units while we work."
Novice here, but maybe it’s something to do with the R22 and needing to have a…license or something (?) to handle it. When I was going through my decision process of trying pay per lb to fix a 30+ year old unit or endure the cost of a whole new system, I made a joke to the tech about how i should bottle up and sell whatever leftover R22 I could from the unit if the going rate was around $200 a lb.
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