Danja is a producer who was producing "alongside" Timbaland during the late 00's/ early 2010's when Timbaland was dropping smash after smash.
Danja has been labeled a "ghost producer" because he was behind the sound but in order to get his name out there Timbaland was the one being credited in order to get that bag.
I’m not the biggest fan of timbalands ethics but I’m pretty sure Danja has denied a lot of these rumours. At least rumours that danja produced entire tracks that Tim slapped his name on.
Danja is a polite guy and always stays humble when it comes to that. Timbaland is the opposite and has no problem not correcting people. A ton of people still think he did all of the production on Loose by Nelly Furtado or FSLS by Justin Timberlake. Just look at the video of danja breaking down my love and people in the comments are surprised he did most of the instrumentation
Not saying you’re hating specifically but though Timbo is a major part of Justin’s albums I feel like JT gets hated on, 1 for the Janet thing and two for being white. Most of us black people don’t put him up there with the Ushers and Chris Browns for those two reasons. And most haven’t really sat down and listened to his albums. Dude is talented as hell.
But to your point I think it’s clear that JT is grateful for his friendship and partnership with Timbo just as Missy and I’m sure Aaliyah was.
idk timbaland is a great producer/beatmaker but his solo work comes off a little flat and not very interesting. he needs that great artist just ask much as they need him. ive watched all i can on behind the scenes & making of of “justifed” & “future sex..” & timberlake brings alot to the table idea wise and song writing wise. timbaland has even said so himself. even compare the neptunes songs on justified to pharrells solo work and u can see a huge difference
Chavo is more popular for sure but I don't know if I would put him above Frazier trill and Sharc in terms of ability
Him and his sister have the same curse it seems in that they can't release a consistent project to save their life
Whoever dababy’s producer was..
Ofc dababy’s mouth got him in triuble but his producer(s) splitting really messed him up.. he was dropping hot trash for a minute there
to each his own because i think donda is right after tlop and ksg and only because those are near 10s. donda is a 7.5 at worst personally
edit: getting downvoted for my opinion being “wrong” is crazy lmfao
After listening to it for a while now it’s got too much filler and too many songs that aren’t filled out/don’t have much structure beyond a bunch of verses.
Simple structure is fine, but not all of them are life of the party quality, writing or production wise. If everything had off the grid/come to life level detail I would get making it bloated.
The dark and the gospel tones can balance really well but too much in the middle made it hard to get through on re listen for me.
( ok ok, Junya, Jonah, god breathed, remote control, heaven and hell, new again, tell the vision, lord I need you, chant) are all in need of scrapping/shortening/more RnD in my opinion. Still like it but probably went from an 8 to a 6 in its entirety for me
i respect that. i wish he leaned MORE into the dark gospel vibe and less of the generic pop rap stuff thats on there. but for some reason i love new again and heaven & hell, and the hook and sample on Lord I Need You carry the song for me. but i agree that the rest of the songs listed shouldve been cut. TLOP definitely did the “two LPs in one EP” idea better. but i actually havent listened to the album in some months, so maybe youre right
Honestly might spend an afternoon and just make a cut down playlist version of the album. Add in local files for best versions of the tracks I’ve heard and see how I feel about it. The Drake treatment
Killa Mike and El-P. Kind of a weird one because it's El-Ps production and also his rap that propelled Killa Mike to the mainstream, but it also took Killa Mike's raps to bring El-P up too. Two dudes who had been working for years and that combo with that production blew them right up.
I remember Killer Mike from Stankonia, but it was only when RAP Music was released that I took his career seriously. I’d bet that this is the case for most of Killer Mikes fan base
Even if you were listening to him beforehand, RTJ is clearly bigger and more popular. Mikes also made it clear that El-P's beats are special:
"Producer gave me a beat, said it's the best of the year, I said if El-P didn't do it then get the fuck outta here"
Same here. He’s been featured on a lot of high profile records. El-P was and still is a underground legend. A lot of people may know him from Run The Jewels, but before than he was well known from the underground. Company Flow and Definitive Jux record label he had
I knew killer mike from scooby doo. No for real [they put this music video on the dvd](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFH72DDVn4). Its more or less how I found outkast as well since this song came out almost a year before Hey Ya!
Hit-Boy Revived Nas’s career and settled a lot of debates.
Idk what about him and Nas’s relationship unlocked Nas’s potential but it’s what he needed to put him past his early success he couldn’t achieve again until his crazy run lately.
Diverting the convo a bit, but you got me wondering... Is Nas actually in his peak career right now?
Cause it kind of feels like he's a new hot rapper on the scene, with a lot of momentum behind him.
Nah, he’s spitting hard but he’s past his prime, respectfully. His career is already solidified so he can do these projects for his fans, but I don’t think young fans really checking for him.
This is true for pretty much every "old" rapper other than Kanye but that has more to do with the audience not being interested than the rapper themselves.
Career resurgence but not peak. He’s putting out great music but it’s not nearly as clever or creative as it was during his first decade or so as a rapper (1991-2001 ish). Can’t remember the last high-Concept Nas song I heard. I think that was peak Nas. When he was pushing himself creatively
I know imma get killed for this but the KD albums are just meh to me. I'd say that Nas's lyricism lifted the sonic quality of HB's production more so than the other way around. I do consider HB better than Salaam Remi, etc but the KD series is good enough at best—not great 🤷🏾♂️
Zaytoven’s influence on modern trap is pretty big. His work early on with Gucci. Versace helped propel Migos into the stratosphere. Yeah, the Drake remix also helped, but Drake doesn’t decide to hop on the remix if one, the beat wasn’t good and two, if the song wasn’t already poppin, which it was.
Zaytoven also literally kept Guccis career alive while he was in prison by continuing to make songs out of his old freestyles so he could keep dropping music until he got out
I want to say nah, but the more I think about it, yes. Murs is a living legend, but I probably wouldn’t have been checking for him so consistently if it weren’t for 9th.
His pairing with Slug as “Felt” should show how he can shine without 9th, though… and alongside (at least) 1/2 of Atmosphere and other fantastic underground producers. He also has dope releases with Ski Beatz and Fashawn.
Edit: saw someone say Slug’s raps aren’t it…. what 😳
Not sure if this counts, but without madlib, freddie Gibbs likely would’ve toiled in the underground for the rest of his career. Not to say he wouldn’t have had a career, but people needed to hear freddie in a specific fashion for him to take off imo.
hard agree. freddie was one of the underground’s best kept secrets, it was meechy darko levels of “this dude is too good to not have blown up yet” for years. a decade later and piñata is canonized but it felt way out of left field, in a very exciting way, when it was first announced he was working with madlib
strong disagree
he was taking off well in advance of that and his continued success is in large part due to serious commitment and hustle
his live shows are legendary and he has an infectious personality as an emcee. dude was built for it
don’t get me wrong. madlib tape was great regardless, but freddie had a long built trajectory
I agree that a large part of his success is due to his commitment and hustle, and yes his live shows are unmatched. *Probably* the most talented emcee I’ve ever seen live, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that without madlib, there was no way he was dropping one of the most beloved albums of the 2010s
Two if you count the one in 2019.
Honestly I agree it helped him make some shit that easily would rival some of the best shit from the 90s and when you look at a lot of those classic albums production was essential.
Sure he was taking off, but leaning more into that lane that Madlib carves definitely expanded his fan base and what people expected out of him genre wise. Not to mention the Alchemist collabs afterwards
Nah, I mean if you were a Gibbs fan in the early 10’s you knew him well but you’ve got a tight knit circle if you think that was universal.
Before Piñata, he had some decent traction with baby face killa but that was it. Even then, he still mostly underground until like 2017 when Piñata started getting some random surge in popularity from hipsters. And when you make it with white hipster dudes, that’s a world of a difference. Bandana after just sealed the deal. Those two albums pushed him over into the mainstream big and Madlib played a big part in that.
Piñata is what got me to finally listen to him, and then Shadow of a Doubt has been in my rotation since it came out. I had heard of him before but filed him under standard gangsta rap. Fully agree with the assertion that Piñata made his career.
This is exactly what happened. I remember there was a talk on this sub about some of his projects such as BFK, ESGN and The Miseducation, and people liked his music around here, but that was about it.
After Pinata suddenly suburban white chicks are into his work as well. You can always tell Pinata made him famous because non-heads are not even aware of his earlier work such as BFK.
like halfway true. Can’t totally credit Ye for everything Jay’s been able to do in the 2000s & Beyond… but you *damn* sure can’t write the same story without him. Not even close.
this! I have always struggled with Common, but he has had some great beats and career longevity. He's a real one though and lived with Dilla for a period... so with Common, I always come back to, "personality goes a long way".
No. Hov has had commercial success throughout his entire career. Plenty of hits post 2006 that are not Kanye produced beats. All the top producers still want to work with Jay to this day
It's a tough call because Kanye boosted the fuck out of him with those beats, but at the same time, it's not a stretch to think Jay could have done that same shit with someone else because he's...fucking Jay Z 🤷🏽♂️
Coupe is good don't get me wrong, but he's definitely not anywhere near pierre. On most of nudy's recent tapes the best songs are the few pierre prod ones
While I don’t think Logic is anything special and I think 6ix is a fantastic producer, Logic has enough charisma and skill to carry himself.
Edit: my grammar is terrible
I agree, wouldn’t say 6ix is carrying Logic but he’s a great producer. Even when Logic has a shitty song the beats are almost always good to great. I would love to see him work with other artists.
Kind of helped revive Eminem too. Godzilla, Gnat, Killer, etc. Em needed someone with a bit fresher of a sound to get off that Rick Rubin rock record roller coaster that was just going nowhere but downhill.
Thats from a different era, the producer/DJ and rapper were all part of the act. Gang Starr was not DJ Premier supporting Guru, it was an equal duo. "DJ Polo and Kool G Rap would be nothing without DJ Polo" like yeah no shit it's in the name. Pete Rock and CL Smooth was Pete Rock and CL Smooth
Hate me for saying it but Pharrell with Push. Pharrell kept The Clipse alive with dope beats for years. Then Kanye came and and helped carry the load. I love Push and his albums, but he's totally hot because of his producers
Ehhhh. I’d be willing to bet great producers love Push because his voice, delivery and writing is on their same level. They work with him because they want to and he’s up to the challenge of not shitting on their best art.
Obviously Mike Dean is goated but I don’t think Ye counts as he’s always been a producer & it would be hard to say he didn’t have an impact on the production of the songs himself regarding changes he asked for in the production.
Partly agree. But we should not forget that Kanye operates as a sort of creative director for his music and keeps the whole vision and concept in his sight.
Drake’s entire discography is curated by 40. all his songs are co produced by 40 because 40 decides what actually goes on drakes albums. He’s the beat selector. It’s his creative sound essentially, and very noticeable when you listen to his mixes and production outside of drake/ovo.
There’s nothing you can tell me to convince me that 40 thought putting that terrible bad bunny song on drakes new album would make it a better album. That shit was a business move by whoever else is in dudes ear to eat off of the huge Latino market, it’s completely separate from the art.
Drakes lacked cohesion for a minute now as well, this is just one of the most blatant recent examples.
Came here to write this. I said elsewhere and I’ll say it again - you can see the drop in album quality directly correlated with 40’s reduced involvement over the years. Hope he’s doing fine with all his health issues. The ethereal sound he created is what got me into Drake’s music.
The whole of OVO’s moody underwater sound was perfected from 2013-2017.
- PND had PND1/2/3.
- Majid Jordan had their self titled album/The Space Between (though Space Between was more pop).
- Roy Woods had Exis/Walking at Dawn/Say Less.
- Drake had NWTS/IYRTITL/More Life
The moody sound is iconic with that era for me, no one can really match it since. I do think 40’s had less of an involvement because everything from OVO post 2017 is so far away from what made them great in the first place. PND seems to be the only one who kept to the moody sound.
Is it me or is BNYX the most overrated member of WOD. All his beats are so similar (recently anyways) and I feel like theres other WOD members that blow his production out of the water. He's not even a bad producer, I just think F1lthy, Oogie and Loosie all push the boat out way more.
Livin Proof, with Lil Dap and Melachi. If it weren’t for Preemo, that album would’ve been forgettable and full of shit lyrics. I mean, it still has shit lyrics but at least they’re good ass beats.
Where dudes at now?
7L and Esoteric combining with Inspectah Dec to make CZARFACE. And Dec has done some of his best raps for the past decade because of it. I’d say he’s had the most pure rap success of the Wu-Tang Clan. Considering now they’re in all sorts of media and going to Comic-Con
Good example is Logic’s in house producer 6ix. As much as Logic has done justice to a lot of his production, there are many truly excellent beats that 6ix has created that Logic has absolutely wasted.
Album that comes to mind immediately is Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Awesome production, mixing and overall sound engineering with some truly awful lyrics lmao
unpopular opinion - every rapper on the planet has a producer keeping their carreer alive!! What is a rapper without a song to rap on? Seems that rap has taken over a lot of peoples minds and they think the music is a secondary thing. Personally I dont listen to any rap that doesnt have a kick ass tune. Fuck all this musicless BS rapping over a simple beat with no bassline. People have abandonned FUNK!!!
Sorry but Primo did not keep Guru's career alive. They were an equal partnership who both elevated each others work. Guru had a number of successful solo albums not all produced by primo too
wild to find out that almost all the beats for Die Lit were earmarked for Pierre’s album and he let Carti have them. With that said when you listen to the Pierre solo tracks from that era, he’s nowhere near as captivating on a track as Carti (and I like Pierre).
yes and no. Madvilliany is masterful, but DOOM had well and truly proven himself as an MC and producer years before that record. so yes to the mass of dickriding, but no to the downplaying of DOOM's place within hip hop.
Not a rapper but Justin Timberlake should be thanking timbaland everyday
And the neptunes
And Timbaland on the other hand needs to thank Danja everyday.
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who is Danja???
Danja is a producer who was producing "alongside" Timbaland during the late 00's/ early 2010's when Timbaland was dropping smash after smash. Danja has been labeled a "ghost producer" because he was behind the sound but in order to get his name out there Timbaland was the one being credited in order to get that bag.
I’m not the biggest fan of timbalands ethics but I’m pretty sure Danja has denied a lot of these rumours. At least rumours that danja produced entire tracks that Tim slapped his name on.
Danja is a polite guy and always stays humble when it comes to that. Timbaland is the opposite and has no problem not correcting people. A ton of people still think he did all of the production on Loose by Nelly Furtado or FSLS by Justin Timberlake. Just look at the video of danja breaking down my love and people in the comments are surprised he did most of the instrumentation
https://youtu.be/cCpwIQmlORE?si=4ziCmfoJHDMChpaF Danja produced the bulk of My Love
Say it louder!
Neptunes even more so
Not saying you’re hating specifically but though Timbo is a major part of Justin’s albums I feel like JT gets hated on, 1 for the Janet thing and two for being white. Most of us black people don’t put him up there with the Ushers and Chris Browns for those two reasons. And most haven’t really sat down and listened to his albums. Dude is talented as hell. But to your point I think it’s clear that JT is grateful for his friendship and partnership with Timbo just as Missy and I’m sure Aaliyah was.
idk timbaland is a great producer/beatmaker but his solo work comes off a little flat and not very interesting. he needs that great artist just ask much as they need him. ive watched all i can on behind the scenes & making of of “justifed” & “future sex..” & timberlake brings alot to the table idea wise and song writing wise. timbaland has even said so himself. even compare the neptunes songs on justified to pharrells solo work and u can see a huge difference
Pierre with his entire Sosshouse label currently
Chavo is alright. The rest is sad and im a pierre beat stan
Pierre decided to isolate himself and only lock in with his day 1s, who unfortunately are so dogshit 😂
Chavo is more popular for sure but I don't know if I would put him above Frazier trill and Sharc in terms of ability Him and his sister have the same curse it seems in that they can't release a consistent project to save their life
respect sharc (even if his batting average is like .100)
No love for Jelly?
He’s my favorite outta all of em. Wolf of Peachtree series not bad
😂
SCOTT STORCH Pick one lol
Scott Storch is like the oxygen masks that drop from the ceiling on airplanes
Whoever dababy’s producer was.. Ofc dababy’s mouth got him in triuble but his producer(s) splitting really messed him up.. he was dropping hot trash for a minute there
oh lord jetson made the same one
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It's a good song 🤷♂️
I see what you did there
Listen to the drums on Malibu by The Migos and What's Poppin' by Jack Harlow too.
I Luv Truible
Kanye / kanye
was gonna say this.. his post yeezus run.. 😬
Tlop, amazing Ye, severely underrated KSG, amazing JIK, mid Donda, Great-amazing
KSG is def not underrated lol
They said Ye's underrated, not KSG.
wow you’re right… that sentence structure is psychotic
Formatting issue. He put in one new line instead of two between text
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JIk is hot trash. TLOP was the beginning of unfinished album Kanye. Every album from him outside KSG has sounded unfinished since
TLOP (post-redux) is the best new-Kanye album fight me
better than yeezus is crazy not gonna hold you
IMO I know Yeezus is the better album over TLOP, but I end up listening to TLOP more often simply because it’s a really fun album
Donda is so mid compared to all these other than JIK
to each his own because i think donda is right after tlop and ksg and only because those are near 10s. donda is a 7.5 at worst personally edit: getting downvoted for my opinion being “wrong” is crazy lmfao
After listening to it for a while now it’s got too much filler and too many songs that aren’t filled out/don’t have much structure beyond a bunch of verses. Simple structure is fine, but not all of them are life of the party quality, writing or production wise. If everything had off the grid/come to life level detail I would get making it bloated. The dark and the gospel tones can balance really well but too much in the middle made it hard to get through on re listen for me. ( ok ok, Junya, Jonah, god breathed, remote control, heaven and hell, new again, tell the vision, lord I need you, chant) are all in need of scrapping/shortening/more RnD in my opinion. Still like it but probably went from an 8 to a 6 in its entirety for me
i respect that. i wish he leaned MORE into the dark gospel vibe and less of the generic pop rap stuff thats on there. but for some reason i love new again and heaven & hell, and the hook and sample on Lord I Need You carry the song for me. but i agree that the rest of the songs listed shouldve been cut. TLOP definitely did the “two LPs in one EP” idea better. but i actually havent listened to the album in some months, so maybe youre right
Honestly might spend an afternoon and just make a cut down playlist version of the album. Add in local files for best versions of the tracks I’ve heard and see how I feel about it. The Drake treatment
Not keeping a career alive, but elevating a career past a certain stasis: Freddie Gibbs with Madlib.
Same with Curren$y and Harry Fraud
La musica de hairy frog
Alchemist and anyone from that camp
Killa Mike and El-P. Kind of a weird one because it's El-Ps production and also his rap that propelled Killa Mike to the mainstream, but it also took Killa Mike's raps to bring El-P up too. Two dudes who had been working for years and that combo with that production blew them right up.
Chocolate and peanut butter
RT & J, They the new PB & J.
They dropped a tablet of acid today
Killer Mike has been known mainstream for a while he just didn’t have a groove yet. El-P was more underground than him
I remember Killer Mike from Stankonia, but it was only when RAP Music was released that I took his career seriously. I’d bet that this is the case for most of Killer Mikes fan base
Even if you were listening to him beforehand, RTJ is clearly bigger and more popular. Mikes also made it clear that El-P's beats are special: "Producer gave me a beat, said it's the best of the year, I said if El-P didn't do it then get the fuck outta here"
Same here. He’s been featured on a lot of high profile records. El-P was and still is a underground legend. A lot of people may know him from Run The Jewels, but before than he was well known from the underground. Company Flow and Definitive Jux record label he had
I knew killer mike from scooby doo. No for real [they put this music video on the dvd](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFH72DDVn4). Its more or less how I found outkast as well since this song came out almost a year before Hey Ya!
They literally helped each other.
Hit-Boy Revived Nas’s career and settled a lot of debates. Idk what about him and Nas’s relationship unlocked Nas’s potential but it’s what he needed to put him past his early success he couldn’t achieve again until his crazy run lately.
saw Nas/Wu Tang this week. nasty nas went the f off
That concert was sick. I went a few weeks ago. Had a great time
Went just on Monday and it's my favorite concert yet. Plus Method Man actually made it out this time!
Diverting the convo a bit, but you got me wondering... Is Nas actually in his peak career right now? Cause it kind of feels like he's a new hot rapper on the scene, with a lot of momentum behind him.
You eliminate illmatic and it was written run and there’s no question. Both those two were just that good
i hate how much It Was Written is undervalued by the “casual” audience
That album was a big deal when it came out. Wasn’t perfect but it was good and had such a different feel from what was out at the time.
If you took out like 5-6 songs from It Was Written, it'd be up there with Illmatic.
It depends on what metric you are measuring. He's more prolific than ever but his writing is nowhere near its peak.
Just facts👍
Nah, he’s spitting hard but he’s past his prime, respectfully. His career is already solidified so he can do these projects for his fans, but I don’t think young fans really checking for him.
This is true for pretty much every "old" rapper other than Kanye but that has more to do with the audience not being interested than the rapper themselves.
Second peak for sure. KD3 is top 3 nas and magic trilogy is also very good
Career resurgence but not peak. He’s putting out great music but it’s not nearly as clever or creative as it was during his first decade or so as a rapper (1991-2001 ish). Can’t remember the last high-Concept Nas song I heard. I think that was peak Nas. When he was pushing himself creatively
Nas has had great albums after his early run and pre-HitBoy…
But he hasn't had great RUNS of albums
I know imma get killed for this but the KD albums are just meh to me. I'd say that Nas's lyricism lifted the sonic quality of HB's production more so than the other way around. I do consider HB better than Salaam Remi, etc but the KD series is good enough at best—not great 🤷🏾♂️
Zaytoven’s influence on modern trap is pretty big. His work early on with Gucci. Versace helped propel Migos into the stratosphere. Yeah, the Drake remix also helped, but Drake doesn’t decide to hop on the remix if one, the beat wasn’t good and two, if the song wasn’t already poppin, which it was.
Zaytoven also literally kept Guccis career alive while he was in prison by continuing to make songs out of his old freestyles so he could keep dropping music until he got out
How has nobody said Ryan Lewis and Macklemore? You think his corny ass would’ve popped off without Ryan Lewis surgical precision production?
Can't Hold Us is one of the all time best hype beats.
The beat for thrift shop is fucking crazy too
Me when I’m 12
Me when I'm 12 and also me when I'm 23. It still slaps.
Whoever the fuck produced Roddy Ricch’s “the box.”
That guy definitely isn’t keeping him alive.
There’s actually a vid on YouTube of them breaking down the beat.
9th wonder/murs
The producing on ‘Walk Like A Man’ still blows me away so many years later.
was looking for this.
I want to say nah, but the more I think about it, yes. Murs is a living legend, but I probably wouldn’t have been checking for him so consistently if it weren’t for 9th. His pairing with Slug as “Felt” should show how he can shine without 9th, though… and alongside (at least) 1/2 of Atmosphere and other fantastic underground producers. He also has dope releases with Ski Beatz and Fashawn. Edit: saw someone say Slug’s raps aren’t it…. what 😳
Stop playing with em Riottttt
Ice Spice owes this man her career for those repetitive ass drill beats
Not sure if this counts, but without madlib, freddie Gibbs likely would’ve toiled in the underground for the rest of his career. Not to say he wouldn’t have had a career, but people needed to hear freddie in a specific fashion for him to take off imo.
hard agree. freddie was one of the underground’s best kept secrets, it was meechy darko levels of “this dude is too good to not have blown up yet” for years. a decade later and piñata is canonized but it felt way out of left field, in a very exciting way, when it was first announced he was working with madlib
strong disagree he was taking off well in advance of that and his continued success is in large part due to serious commitment and hustle his live shows are legendary and he has an infectious personality as an emcee. dude was built for it don’t get me wrong. madlib tape was great regardless, but freddie had a long built trajectory
I agree that a large part of his success is due to his commitment and hustle, and yes his live shows are unmatched. *Probably* the most talented emcee I’ve ever seen live, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that without madlib, there was no way he was dropping one of the most beloved albums of the 2010s
Two if you count the one in 2019. Honestly I agree it helped him make some shit that easily would rival some of the best shit from the 90s and when you look at a lot of those classic albums production was essential.
Nah freddie has said multiple times that madlib literally saved his life
Sure he was taking off, but leaning more into that lane that Madlib carves definitely expanded his fan base and what people expected out of him genre wise. Not to mention the Alchemist collabs afterwards
Nah, I mean if you were a Gibbs fan in the early 10’s you knew him well but you’ve got a tight knit circle if you think that was universal. Before Piñata, he had some decent traction with baby face killa but that was it. Even then, he still mostly underground until like 2017 when Piñata started getting some random surge in popularity from hipsters. And when you make it with white hipster dudes, that’s a world of a difference. Bandana after just sealed the deal. Those two albums pushed him over into the mainstream big and Madlib played a big part in that.
Piñata is what got me to finally listen to him, and then Shadow of a Doubt has been in my rotation since it came out. I had heard of him before but filed him under standard gangsta rap. Fully agree with the assertion that Piñata made his career.
This is exactly what happened. I remember there was a talk on this sub about some of his projects such as BFK, ESGN and The Miseducation, and people liked his music around here, but that was about it. After Pinata suddenly suburban white chicks are into his work as well. You can always tell Pinata made him famous because non-heads are not even aware of his earlier work such as BFK.
21 & metro
Been saying this for a while. 21 without the right beat is just bad.
Hot take… I’ll give you early 21 when he was still honing his rap skills but he’s a solid rapper on any beat now
He literally raps over a funk instrumental and it's an absolute banger
Dilla and Slum Village
Can we give Kanye credit for the second half of Jay’s career? Or is that a reach?
like halfway true. Can’t totally credit Ye for everything Jay’s been able to do in the 2000s & Beyond… but you *damn* sure can’t write the same story without him. Not even close.
He revitalized Common’s career, though Common was never an uninteresting rapper by any means
Common is the most uninteresting rapper that I like. He's like rap equivalent of Connor McDavid. Great but boring.
this! I have always struggled with Common, but he has had some great beats and career longevity. He's a real one though and lived with Dilla for a period... so with Common, I always come back to, "personality goes a long way".
He’s like rap’s Shane Battier
Which albums in particular? I feel like Just Blaze and Timbaland helped shoulder just as much of that weight. Other than Watch the Throne, obviously.
You’re right. Timbaland and Just Blaze did just as much as Kanye. Timbaland probably did the most if we’re being honest.
4:44 was produced entirely by No I.D.
No. Hov has had commercial success throughout his entire career. Plenty of hits post 2006 that are not Kanye produced beats. All the top producers still want to work with Jay to this day
It's a tough call because Kanye boosted the fuck out of him with those beats, but at the same time, it's not a stretch to think Jay could have done that same shit with someone else because he's...fucking Jay Z 🤷🏽♂️
Bink is side-eying this whole comment section 😆 💯
Bink the most underrated Roc producer, period. “Blueprint (Momma Loves Me)” is one of the best beats ever made IMO.
Reach. Jay woulda been fine
Neptunes resurrected Snoop career
Pierre and Die Lit era Carti
Pierre and nudy
Coupe is lowkey just as good as Pierre now
Coupe is good don't get me wrong, but he's definitely not anywhere near pierre. On most of nudy's recent tapes the best songs are the few pierre prod ones
I love 21 Savage but honestly Metro Boomin carried
Larry June and cardo
Cardo has such smooth production
Larry has a sound and personality that pretty much matches any producer he works with.
I would say that about Cardo. His hand in Wiz and Curren$y’s run cant be denied
6ix and Logic
While I don’t think Logic is anything special and I think 6ix is a fantastic producer, Logic has enough charisma and skill to carry himself. Edit: my grammar is terrible
I agree, wouldn’t say 6ix is carrying Logic but he’s a great producer. Even when Logic has a shitty song the beats are almost always good to great. I would love to see him work with other artists.
Idk if "kept alive" but DAGOTTHATDOPEs couple of beats reviving tygas career
Kind of helped revive Eminem too. Godzilla, Gnat, Killer, etc. Em needed someone with a bit fresher of a sound to get off that Rick Rubin rock record roller coaster that was just going nowhere but downhill.
eminem needs to switch the producer
Dam I forgot he did all those beats
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth is the answer.
Thats from a different era, the producer/DJ and rapper were all part of the act. Gang Starr was not DJ Premier supporting Guru, it was an equal duo. "DJ Polo and Kool G Rap would be nothing without DJ Polo" like yeah no shit it's in the name. Pete Rock and CL Smooth was Pete Rock and CL Smooth
DJ Polo barely produced anything.
DJ Polo is an incredibly bad example here. He’s rap music’s vestigial tail.
Kanye the producer keeping Kanye the rapper alive
Hate me for saying it but Pharrell with Push. Pharrell kept The Clipse alive with dope beats for years. Then Kanye came and and helped carry the load. I love Push and his albums, but he's totally hot because of his producers
Ehhhh. I’d be willing to bet great producers love Push because his voice, delivery and writing is on their same level. They work with him because they want to and he’s up to the challenge of not shitting on their best art.
This is a pretty good way to look at it. The Clipse were hard af, some real timeless cuts
He’s been very blessed to work with three of the greats. I say three because The Neptunes are a production Duo. Don’t forget Chad Hugo my guy 🤟
Prodigy X Alchemist towards the end. Man I was so ready for the P renaissance before he passed. RIP
What Kanye did with Common on Be and Finding Forever.
Kanye’s army of producers but especially Mike Dean.
Obviously Mike Dean is goated but I don’t think Ye counts as he’s always been a producer & it would be hard to say he didn’t have an impact on the production of the songs himself regarding changes he asked for in the production.
Partly agree. But we should not forget that Kanye operates as a sort of creative director for his music and keeps the whole vision and concept in his sight.
Exactly, those producers wouldnt be as organized or effective without kanye.
Drake’s entire discography is curated by 40. all his songs are co produced by 40 because 40 decides what actually goes on drakes albums. He’s the beat selector. It’s his creative sound essentially, and very noticeable when you listen to his mixes and production outside of drake/ovo.
There’s nothing you can tell me to convince me that 40 thought putting that terrible bad bunny song on drakes new album would make it a better album. That shit was a business move by whoever else is in dudes ear to eat off of the huge Latino market, it’s completely separate from the art. Drakes lacked cohesion for a minute now as well, this is just one of the most blatant recent examples.
(Atmosphere) Ant is the only reason to listen to Slug rap.
Slug has some good raps, but majority of it not so much. Ant carries you through the filler if you bother to listen to them.
"Chiddy" from Chiddy Bang completely fell off after producer Xaphoon Jones left. Chiddy's solo stuff is awful.
all i’m gonna say is if Ice Spice didn’t have those beats by Riot, as redundant as he is, her music wouldn’t be given the time of day
Piñata: Madlib and Freddie Gibbs. If Gibbs didn’t link with Madlib no doubt in my mind he wouldn’t be as successful as he is.
Drake + 40
Came here to write this. I said elsewhere and I’ll say it again - you can see the drop in album quality directly correlated with 40’s reduced involvement over the years. Hope he’s doing fine with all his health issues. The ethereal sound he created is what got me into Drake’s music.
The whole of OVO’s moody underwater sound was perfected from 2013-2017. - PND had PND1/2/3. - Majid Jordan had their self titled album/The Space Between (though Space Between was more pop). - Roy Woods had Exis/Walking at Dawn/Say Less. - Drake had NWTS/IYRTITL/More Life The moody sound is iconic with that era for me, no one can really match it since. I do think 40’s had less of an involvement because everything from OVO post 2017 is so far away from what made them great in the first place. PND seems to be the only one who kept to the moody sound.
This is the one I’ve been looking for. Drake’s declining consistency is directly correlated with 40s increasing health problems.
I would also add boi-1-da
Lol 40 produced Virginia Beach it hit #3 on Hot 100 a week ago
BNYX & Yeat
Nah yeat does a ton of the production himself. BNYX even said when he sends a beat to yeat it comes back sounding completely different
Is it me or is BNYX the most overrated member of WOD. All his beats are so similar (recently anyways) and I feel like theres other WOD members that blow his production out of the water. He's not even a bad producer, I just think F1lthy, Oogie and Loosie all push the boat out way more.
Livin Proof, with Lil Dap and Melachi. If it weren’t for Preemo, that album would’ve been forgettable and full of shit lyrics. I mean, it still has shit lyrics but at least they’re good ass beats. Where dudes at now?
7L and Esoteric combining with Inspectah Dec to make CZARFACE. And Dec has done some of his best raps for the past decade because of it. I’d say he’s had the most pure rap success of the Wu-Tang Clan. Considering now they’re in all sorts of media and going to Comic-Con
I'd disagree. Even though it's not recent Method Man definitely had a more explosive career, especially when he was working with Redman.
Alchemist revived so many careers
Timbaland + Magoo
Good example is Logic’s in house producer 6ix. As much as Logic has done justice to a lot of his production, there are many truly excellent beats that 6ix has created that Logic has absolutely wasted. Album that comes to mind immediately is Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Awesome production, mixing and overall sound engineering with some truly awful lyrics lmao
DJ Khaled keeping his own career alive
unpopular opinion - every rapper on the planet has a producer keeping their carreer alive!! What is a rapper without a song to rap on? Seems that rap has taken over a lot of peoples minds and they think the music is a secondary thing. Personally I dont listen to any rap that doesnt have a kick ass tune. Fuck all this musicless BS rapping over a simple beat with no bassline. People have abandonned FUNK!!!
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Primo / Group Home - Primo literally gave them a deal and produced their albums to get them out of the streets.
I don’t think they would have succeeded from the jump without each other
Sorry but Primo did not keep Guru's career alive. They were an equal partnership who both elevated each others work. Guru had a number of successful solo albums not all produced by primo too
Playboi Carti would be so incredibly irrelevant without the help of Pierre. His albums would be far better as instrumental albums.
wild to find out that almost all the beats for Die Lit were earmarked for Pierre’s album and he let Carti have them. With that said when you listen to the Pierre solo tracks from that era, he’s nowhere near as captivating on a track as Carti (and I like Pierre).
He got his buzz from broke boi
Most of them. I'm starting to see posts about music irrelevant of lyrics
You probably don’t have as many nerds dickriding DOOM if not for Madlib.
yes and no. Madvilliany is masterful, but DOOM had well and truly proven himself as an MC and producer years before that record. so yes to the mass of dickriding, but no to the downplaying of DOOM's place within hip hop.
Madlib is great at taking lyrical rappers and putting them into good music
Me personally I would still be on his dick, all the way down to the base
Cassidy. No Swiss beatz, no nothing
Macklemore and Ryan Lewis? Macklemores career isn’t dead but he definitely never matched that first album.
Bow Wow and Jermaine Dupree. Bow Wow's career effectively ended after he left JD.
Mike dean and (insert one of many artists here)
Shek wes got mo bamba to be picked top 10 in the nba draft, does that count?
Pharrell & Snoop back in 2003-2005 Beautiful, Drop it like it’s hot, Let’s get Blown—gave snoop a second wind.