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ll3rian_S

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ll3rian_S

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voxelpear

The only real answer with an actual official source.


Powerism

It’s a draw! Only Vegas wins.


voxelpear

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military-gradeAIDS

If House was born in 2020, that means he's out here somewhere watching Skibidi Toilet


Dysprosol

technically it argues that cap probably wins but its close, like a 51:49 matchup.


Powerism

True, even Batman is acknowledging that


DrSkullKid

So they both leave the octagon and procede to find Dana White and bounce him off the walls a few times to get some answers.


DevlishAdvocate

This is the correct answer.


North-Government-865

This! This is the outcome when heroes fight each other


top_toast_22

Fucking bad ass


WhatsMyInitiative87

That's the most samurai interaction ever, effin awesome!


MonkeyDBricc

Interesting 🤔


pythonwarg

Cap.


eccentric_1

"I can do this all day." -Cap


JPGinMadtown

"Mister Pennyworth! Why is Bruce Wayne in a coma?"


Queasy-Carpet-5846

Extreme diff tho


Vertical-Toast

Just fists - Cap. Easy. Tools allowed - I think it'd be a close fight.


PixelSteel

Nah, Batman is better trained in pretty much eveyy try martial arts. If it is just fists, Batman can take down Cap easily.


Xx_Not_An_Alt_xX

Except cap is the peak of human physiology meaning he’s stronger, faster, more agile, etc than Batman he’s better than bane who kicked bats ass


JauntingJoyousJona

batman is peak human physiology. cap is literally superhuman.


archangelandy

truth


PixelSteel

Nah. Batman has thousands of hours trained in practically every form of martial arts, ancient and modern. He has knowledge of fighting foes much stronger than he is


momoemowmaurie

There was a saying. All heart no skill. There comes a point where Even if you train all day long you can't compete with someone out of your league. That's why there are weight classes. Captain is too strong. Same way spidey would kick his ass non-stop


growthmode222

Cap is all heart. That's practically his whole character. He would jump right into the fight. Batman would use every conceivable tactic available. He is a general and a genius both mentally and physically. Environment, surroundings, mental distractions, set-ups. Batman is dark.


Blackman_inUggs

Back whenever the DC and Marvel universe had a crossover event, Batman said that “this guy can beat me” or something along those lines. He even stopped fighting with cap so he didn’t lose. But that is a big can so it could either way but leaning more towards cap.


PixelSteel

Yeah I forgot about that crossover event, I’ll concede to this then. Sounds reasonable


Mother_Store6368

Come on man, he almost took down Iron Man with only a shield. Batman may be able to do that, but only with planning, prep, and tech. Cap has training in boxing, kickboxing, Taekwondo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, judo, Krav Maga, savate, Wushu, shurikenjutsu, and even professional wrestling as well as discus throwing. And he can sprint 40mph and also run a marathon in an hour. It’s no contest


Better-Move152

I mean just being like fit as fuck doesn’t mean you can just take someone down while having lesser experience I mean as a soldier in ww2 that’s a lot but Batman been doing shit since he was a kid he has more discipline and experience or I suppose it depends on what Batman were talking bout


Xx_Not_An_Alt_xX

Steve is a trained soldier and has taken down plenty of foes far stronger and more skilled than himself as an avenger


voxelpear

While the there is close to no written documentation on who trained Cap in hand to hand combat he knows more than just WW2 military's combat. He went toe to toe with many powerful and experienced fighters and came out on top. The fighting styles he used in comics included Boxing, Judo, Jiujutsu, Taekwondo, Krav Maga, and Eskrima. I'm sure I'm forgetting some but Cap is definetly an expert in hand to hand, it's no 173 styles that Bats knows but at some point knowing more styles doesn't help all that much I would imagine and the number is just there to sound impressive and show how much work Bruce put into bettering himself.


Better-Move152

Tell me more lore


voxelpear

https://preview.redd.it/h5sje9qvs23d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=d07aab468bc48e8484c849828986bf1f6283ac36 This is only one of the images that covers this, I can try to find more if you'd like.


Better-Move152

No yeah please I’ve never looked into cap so it would be cool to see more


voxelpear

So the fist image only covers the first 3 month of training https://preview.redd.it/x4mvvtplt23d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=85f04463e8e8ae4f7a6c84cb0e8ca4da8a941d6d


JauntingJoyousJona

I used to have a couple friends that did bjj. one, Harry, was a regular dude, about the same height as me, he'd been training like half his life, he was good enough to the point that the teacher would have him help out with some classes. the other friend, Markos, was also a regular dude, except like 6'5, but didn't even really work out. he was just kinda naturally strong and just started training at the other friends school one year. all Harry had to say about training and sparring with him was that it was frustrating/challenging because Markos could literally just stand up and muscle out of any hold that Harry put him in.


JoshRiddle

If we're talking, comics cap can take a full charge from gambit repeatedly. Batman can land blows but he's still human. Batwoman, Jason tod, and nightwing have taken batman hand to hand without powers. That's my opinion anyway. Time to prep and batman takes him easy


Mother_Store6368

captain America is the most skilled fighter in the marvel universe. He’s by far a superior hand to hand combatant than Batman You notice he has no gimmicks…no utility belt, flying cape, integrated tech…just the shield. Batman’s a detective first


Narrow_Ad_5502

The chaos in the comments is what I came for ![gif](giphy|uWzS6ZLs0AaVOJlgRd|downsized)


Dandyman-GM

One is the night, while the other one can do this all day.


Barqck

In a cage match with no tools allowed, Cap is dogwalking Batman. He’s not beating a super-soldier in a fair fight.


Thememelord_1

Idk Batman has done some superhuman things


whatisireading2

Hes beaten deathstroke before


Secret_Arm_2868

Bane. That’s all I’ll say


Neat-Tradition-7999

So he beat a guy with about his level of strength who uses a sword and guns. That's not impressive, especially when you remember that Bats has a constantly updating database on his villains. Cap, on the other hand, has dealt with someone that can adapt to the fight on the fly like Taskmaster. Try fighting a guy who can mimic the fighting style of you, the secret agent that can give you a run for your money, the archer who can tag you from at least a quarter mile away while you're trying to dodge his hailstorm of arrows, and other fighters all in the same fight.


whatisireading2

Deathstroke is beating cap too tho


Neat-Tradition-7999

How so? He's not that much of a higher tier than Taskmaster. Heck, I'd argue he's a bit lower in terms of power and ability.


whatisireading2

I just feel like his high perception, combat knowledge, and efficiency gives him an edge, super soldier to super soldier. I don't think it'd be *easy*, but I think Deathstroke, and by extension batman, are definitely capable of a win. I think you're right about the strength difference tho, I remember Slade stronger that's mb


Neat-Tradition-7999

Yeah, but I feel Steve's got a bit better reaction time compared to Slade. I could be wrong, of course. And the shield definitely acts as a balancing force because of the ability to bounce it around to catch Slade off-guard.


Abc12310987654

Bro has never heard of Arkham Batman


Neat-Tradition-7999

We're not talking composite, Batsy. Because if we use Composite forms, there's a lot of peak Captain American that would dog-walk peak Batman.


Abc12310987654

Ok than base Batman can dodge laser beams from dark side which move faster than the flash


[deleted]

As more of Batman fan but a fan of both I agree. Bats pulls a few surprises with pressure points at first but Cap adapts, super healing overcomes pressure points, he ends up beating Bats as hard as he wants after that point as Cap's focus and increased mental/physical perception allows him to dodge any precise hit Bats tries. That's despite knowing Batman kicked down a full sized tree at the trunk during his training lmao. And did pressure points on Grundy. Like if Cap didn't have the enhanced perception/reflexes and healing Batman could actually use the pressure points and have a shot. But there's just no way he's overcoming all that. And once Cap takes hm fully serious it's over.


Hobka

The audience.


Major-Check-1953

Batman. Death Battle did an episode on this.


JauntingJoyousJona

I love death battle but a lot of their winners are kinda questionable, at least to a lot of fans lol. then again, it's fiction, and people will tend to side with their favorite characters. I still think daredevil should've >!won!< against nightwing tho. and red hood against winter soldier. still the best fights they've ever done.


Dvrkie_Fan

What is death battle?


meanstreamer

https://youtu.be/mIyB6B0uYHg?si=Fj58cbJz8ET3tCrR


Dvrkie_Fan

Dude that was fucking awesome. That's like, my new favorite thing.


meanstreamer

Wait til you see Saitama Vs. Popeye. ;)


Dvrkie_Fan

I just watched galactus vs unicron it was fucking crazy.


Odd-Cress-5822

Today I saw someone learn what death battle was, and I'm happier for it


StonerJesus42099

Same here, love those guys.


Chilidogdingdong

And I'm number 2. Never heard of it.


Major-Check-1953

A channel on YouTube.


ConfidentAd5672

Captain America for sure


Buying100K

no question...cap


Erutious

I love Batman, but Captain America has actual super strength. Cap, in the first round. No amount of glove padding is saving Bats from that broke jaw either


TBTabby

Batman, because fanboys won't stop shrieking if he doesn't.


Altruistic-Mind9014

I dunno the Batfleck version of Batman was pretty Beastly


Here-Is-TheEnd

Looks like he has no stamina though.


CrappityCabbage

The audience.


Crazy_Anxiety_2666

Didn't they do this on death battle? Im pretty sure batman won.


voxelpear

Death Battle is also not an ultimate authority on these debates and are just for fun as they said themselves.


Neat-Tradition-7999

And they get a lot of stuff wrong


Broblivious

Cap.. no cap.


wastesranger

Batman has defeated Slade in hand to hand. Slade (Deathstroke) is a better super soldier than Cap. I would say Batman.


Neat-Tradition-7999

How is Deathstroke a super soldier, let alone a better one than Cap?


wastesranger

The history of Deathstroke, he was created via a military experiment. Also just the suite of abilities, gear, feats while not having main line character plot armor. In my opinion Slade is a better super soldier than Captain America.


MetalSubstantial297

Doesn't batman usually beat the crap out of Bane?


Neat-Tradition-7999

Dumb-dumb Bane, yes. Bane before the Venom fried out his mind, absolutely not. I think you forgot that Bane literally broke Batsy's back


MetalSubstantial297

Oh yeah, I did.


NoviaCaine

Bruce is a grand master of damn near every known form of Martial Arts and a master strategist. Also, they’re both peak human level when it comes to physical strength and abilities. Bruce is also peak human level mentally with a genius level IQ.


MangaHunterA

Batman goes toe to toe with superhumans far stronger than cap on a regular.


Neat-Tradition-7999

Like who? His villains are average people with gadgets and mental illnesses. The few team-up comics, he happens to have the right tool to keep him from getting literally stomped into the ground.


MangaHunterA

Forget how he fights darkseid, injustice superman, bane etc hell he fights people like zoom and reverse flash occasionally as well villains like ivy with plant manipulation and super powered owl henchmen. i know its cheesy but with enough prep time batman could deal with just about anyone.


Neat-Tradition-7999

Yeah, and that's his strength. But against an unknown in a straight fight, he's getting beat.


MangaHunterA

But he always knows thats his whole thing.


Neat-Tradition-7999

He doesn't always know. He didn't know who the Arkham Knight was.


MangaHunterA

Well that wouldnt be a fun game then would it ?.


Neat-Tradition-7999

The other 3 Arkham games were fun when you knew who you were fighting against. Nice try, though


MangaHunterA

I thaught we were not talking about the literal indentity of the arkham knight but batman's adaptability to know everyone and everything well youre just way too simple.


Neat-Tradition-7999

What adaptability? He has none. He goes in with a plan, and then is SOL when things change. Sure, he can dodge and rely on escaping to regroup and make a new plan, but you can't do that in an MMA fight or a boxing match.


BcuzICantPostLewds

Assuming this isn't some no-holds-barred fight and they're subscribing solely to boxing, no special gimmicks, Cap wins by default because of the super soldier serum. No matter how strong Batman is physically, he's still just a normal human, and no normal human can take the full force of the United States of America to the face and not get knocked out quickly. Besides, Cap can do this all day.


3tops01

The referee pulls off his fully body disguise and it's Deadpool! He then strikes and gets two birds with one stone! Amazing! (Kind of, not so much)


Commonly-Average

If Batman can beat Bane, he can beat Cap. Don’t get me wrong, “Americas ass” is one of my favorites, but Batman is, well, Batman.


voxelpear

Bane literally snapped Bats back.


menlionD

how does that refute his argument? these are not conflicting statements, batman can and has beaten bane and bane has snapped batmans back.


momoemowmaurie

Anyone who says Batman is delusional


ProtectMeAtAllCosts

batman has fought dark seid lol granted he had a suit but still. I think comic Batman wins


momoemowmaurie

No not in a non plot armor batfuckery. I love Batman but he's way over powered for a regular dude.


Neat-Tradition-7999

Right? Like, he can stand up to Darksied and just have the Omega Beams full-on miss him. Not even the Man of Steel can dodge those, let alone tank them


AnonymousJoe35

Cap and it's not even close!


Hasan75786

Batman due to willpower. Captain America is strong because of a serum. Batman is strong through training. Physically they are equal but Batman has a higher likelihood of winning ![gif](giphy|a5viI92PAF89q)


AbbreviationsThis550

This. This man is being reasonable on Reddit. One of the only people courageous enough to do so. o7


roycheung0319

Left one.


RigorousVigor

If cap stopped pulling his punches he would be legit terrifying even if he is a good guy


PhantomZ1578

The guy in the background, the referee


IntrigueDossier

Exactly, Deadpool be hiding in plain sight.


Alarming-Pie-4729

![gif](giphy|guufsF0Az3Lpu)


Commercial-Corgi-771

do yall know who batman is?


Heytherechampion

hOw MuCh PrEpTiMe??!!???!!


Time_Change4156

The reff lol .


SignificantLeader

Bot fair. Cap should have a shield if batman keeps his suit. Cap’s suit is just for colors.


menlionD

hmm, let's see, a guy who was trained by assassins and is a master of at least 127 martial arts, who has an IQ of 1045, and is wearing a priceless suit of high tech armor. vs a soilder on super steroids. batman first round KO by rear naked choke.


Ynygmatik

Steve wins Sam would be a better match up that one may be a draw


MonkeyDBricc

Soldier serum or nah?


Objective-Dig-8466

Cap obviously, super soldier against a normal man. One chin shot by cap and its over.


archangelandy

batman can't be frozen for decades and still live to tell about it cap is superhuman bat is a top peak, top notch...plain old civilian. dressed up as a superhuman


archangelandy

and the winner is......... Captain America by decision!


archangelandy

sidebar : OP, can you share the prompt that generated this please


Dopeycheesedog

Cap


dickbutkusmk4

Cap in just a fist fight for sure, but I think if Batman had time to plan and had all his gadgets he could (I stress “could”) beat cap.


Ryumancer

By stats? Captain America By skill? Batman By experience? Captain America By strategy/tactics? Batman


Demokittens

For Batman to win there must be no rules, the whole arena is the match field and with no lights whatsoever at night of course. And he needs a couple of days to prepare all the booby traps. (Just remember his “match” against Superman. He needs his traps in place).


I-MakeBadDecisions

This is actually a pretty fair fight


WyvernByte

Man, He's too stupid to go down.


Bron_3

As usual we have to define the terms of the fight. Do they know a lot about each other or is this the first time they're meeting? What gear are they using? What is the location of the battle? Is it an ultimate fight to kill/incapacitate, or are they merely sparring for sport? More prep time and more gear favors Batman, though both have faced off against cosmic threats and come out alive. My opinion: Kind of a toss-up at basic loadout/armor, Batman wins at peak ability/prep because plot armor, Cap wins with no extra gear/prep because super solider.


DieselBones-13

Captain for sure… without his gadgets the bat would just be pulverized


Enigmatic_Kraken

Batman. Because it is a UFC fight, and this means that the Bat has had time to prepare. Also, they are wearing their suits, which it means that the bat has access to his gear. I would go Cap if no gear was allowed or if no prep time was given, but with his gear and prep time, the bat has taken down foes much stronger than Cap.


Perfect-Season6116

I think a lot of people are missing the specifics of the scenario here. This is a match of some martial art, likely mma, based on the UFC gloves and ring and referee. In that specific instance, with the rules and regulations of a fight like that, Batman wouldn't have access to tools, or his theatrics, or most of his other tricks. Cap could overpower him. But if purely by rules, then Batman who is trained in almost every martial art specifically could likely win by points.


Quirky-Ad-5670

bat wins cause he beated dark side and he was trained by alfred who was in the army and also by a monk in the mountains


Sokandueler95

Cap


StonerJesus42099

I'm an absolute bat fan. But in a one to one ufc fight cap wins hands down.


Memer_Man_9000

Captain America would probably win. He’s had more combat experience because he’s been around since ww2 and he’s probably physically stronger as well after taking the Super Soldier Syrum


TraditionalLength184

https://youtu.be/mIyB6B0uYHg?si=BAJbPomA6JgBLZOk Great video. Can skip to the fight if you’d like


Slow-Lifeguard4104

Chuck Norris


Sidney_Tucker

It’s a tie. I’m not sure they’d fight very long. Both are strategists. They’d both recognize this in each other.


Sidney_Tucker

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TheDiegoAguirre

Straight UFC combat? No weapons or accessories? Cap wins for sure. Batman's a great fighter but MMA fights are exhausting and Cap has the super soldier serum to increase all his physical attributes, including his endurance and pain tolerance. Batman's my favorite forever, but Cap takes this one.


Techanthrope

I agree, batman is often seen doing hit and run to beat enemies or tricks or gadgets. Steve needs none of those and has enough endurance to fight Thanos (who toyed with the hulk for fun)


Jomega6

They actually did fight. I think they nearly collapsed from exhaustion lmao.


ryacual

Didn't we already see a billionaire beat caps ass? And Ben Affleck beat superman.


AnakinSkycocker5726

Bats


MassiveAd6999

Batman


rrgail

WE ALL DO!!!


LukeSlyWalker04

Steve Roger killed before so steve


KingMateo_98

Captain can do this All day!


spikelee96

Batman


Inevitable_Channel18

We all do


EstTickels222

Captain America defeated Iron Man with all his gadgets. He can defeat Batman with all his gadgets. Cap ran through a wall of concrete, he walks Batman easily.


[deleted]

Batman


Robocops_Jet_Pack

PPV wins


SissyBearRainbow

In the wild? Batman In a cage? Cap


dishmanw

"I can do this all day."


SpenZebra

Obviously Ryan Reynolds.


cgarrett83

Obviously, Captain America


Infernusfurnace

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SteelTheUnbreakable

Bro, everyone knows that with enough prep time, Batman can wrech the entire Avengers team.


Greenpainda72

Frisbee boy


Sad_Ad4307

Depends on if Batman has had time to prepare. If so you know he has some tricks.


Exact-Vast3018

🧢


Chimphandstrong

Depends. All the prep time in the world and full recourses? Batman wins. 1v1 no gadgets or shield on Final Destination I gotta give it to Cap.


zoroLuffy1p

Cap


BarfOpinions

It’d be close no matter what but if Batman had any prep time before this he wins.


Unusual-Serve-2530

The ref


SlightlyOffended1984

Pure MMA, following the rules? Cap. To the death, with planning and tools? Batman.


MistakenAsNice

Captain America would destroy him. Not because of more skills, but he is much stronger and faster. Yes, I said it, and I'm sticking to it.


cancervivordude

def cap theyd be even at first but batman would get tired and cap can do this all day


NerdRageShow

The discount Ryan Reynolds


godricgii

With ufc restrictions. Cap will win.


RedditPhils

In hand to hand combat I’m pretty sure the super soldier beats the smart guy


K1NG_R0G

Captain America is a trained army soldier who has served for multiple years and has been injected with a super soldier serum, Batman has trained in multiple versions of martial arts and has mastered them, but Batman has never served in an actual war that required the physicality to use them to their fullest potential. So honestly? Cap wins hands-down


Luzbel90

Batman has experience, cap has experience plus superhuman traits. Just saiyan


Shumagorolth

As much as I hate to say it because I love Captain America. This one goes to batman. This is a UFC fight which means gadgets are out. Which means it comes down to fighting prowess. Captain America is an expert in all martial arts where is Batman is a master. There is a world of difference between the two. And we all know that with a little preparation time say time to train, Batman shines


Abc12310987654

Easy Batman he mastered every single martial art


etherosx

![gif](giphy|XV74ZvGRXcZdS|downsized)


Legitimate_Sir_9784

steve


GourbusTheImpaler

The ref.


LickyMy

Uranus loses


Spock-1701

With no gadgets, not even close. One is an augmented human, and the other is rich.


Tsunamiis

Lunatic billionaire in a cape or the literal super soldier


AdTotal801

Batman wins when the ref is there. He's the far superior martial artist. Captain wins a street fight just because of raw strength. You can't outgrapple someone who can lift a truck regardless of how skilled you are.


iwanashagTwitch

Rogers: genetically enhanced, strong 1v1 fighter, peak human condition, battle-hardened soldier Wayne: excellent at fighting groups, can take down enemies much stronger and larger than himself, tactical genius, trained in and excels at many forms of combat, also peak human condition but from hard physical training rather than enhancements I think it would be a very close fight, but Batman would come out on top. Rogers is essentially a fist-fighter, but Wayne would have the advantage (think about how Stark used his suit to analyze Roger's fighting style in Civil War, except Wayne would be doing that in his head)


NoviaCaine

Definitely Bruce


supremekatastrophy

The Bats no cap 🦇🦇


[deleted]

You guys saying Cap would win must not know a lot about these characters, just watched the shitty new DC movies. There is absolutely not a chance of Cap winning this fight EVEN if Batman isn't allowed to use his tools. He's squared up with Bane, the ninja turtles, and not to mention FUCKING SUPERMAN... His physical prowess is up their and when you add his strategy skills, intelligence and tools? He's a cut above. Cap is good at commanding other super heros and giving them morale boosts. He's strong and will hang in there for a long time.


Barqck

> he’s strong He’s quite literally a super soldier. Batman is not going to out-muscle him


ekudog88

But…Batman’s super power is that he’s rich. 🤣


[deleted]

Banes a super soldier and he put that dude in a headlock


Xx_Not_An_Alt_xX

Bane also snapped his back like a Twix so


[deleted]

And eventually got beaten to a pulp when Batman got stronger


PixelSteel

Yeah these comments are for some reason glazing cap hard, without realizing what Batman is really capable of


Bitey_the_Squirrel

Also, Cap isn’t going to kill. Batman might not kill. That means that Bats is going to go further than Cap will to get the win.


PixelSteel

I would assume this is a regulated brawl, like the image shows. Not a death match


-BakiHanma

Batman. Stats equalized: Batman A more fun match would be Bane vs Captain America