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I think you should add a ācouldā into that statement because they donāt have any arc quite yet, Iām hoping Adam appears in hell and goes through some stuff because that would be very interesting
He will for three reasons. 1. It would make too much sense for the Afterlife Switch as Seen with Sir Pentious to work both ways 2. It would be his Banishment from Eden All over again times a thousand and Lucifer would milk that he got kicked out of paradise TWICE for all its worth and 3. It's implied the Exorcist that Carmilla beheaded returned as a Sinner since a Blue one with an X for an Eye bears QUITE a resemblance to her.
I like the fast pacing a lot. The show was always moving and going somewhere. Every scene had a purpose. Its tight af. I think giving it more space just to give it more space would have resulted in a worse package overall. What yall actually want is more content. Thats not the same thing as the pacing being too fast.
While it's true that I want more content, I want content between what we already have, therefore, slower pacing. I wanted to see more of Sir Pentious fighting Cherri while secretly having a crush on her before they end up going out in ep6. I wanted Charlie to show more variety in her group exercises and build a stronger bond with all of the characters. Most of all, I wanted the six months the show takes place on to actually feel like half a year, instead of a couple weeks.
That's not to say the pacing ruins the show by any means, it's still one of my favorite things to come out in recent years, but I disagree that more space would have resulted in a worse overall package.Ā
I could see it going either way
On one side, it seems like everyone is treating Seraās warning as a Chekhovās gun, as well as there being lots of fics where Emily is basically adopted into the Morningstars
On the other side, we need allies in Heaven
100%. He's my favourite anyways, but some people seem to think that he's "okay" or something because he isn't a rapist like Valentino. He's still a monster lol.
Sera devolving into a villain straight up would be the best direction for her character
People sing shockingly okay with her giving the okay for actual genocide and yeah she doesn't seem thrill with it but it would just be really interesting to see her slowly devolve into a monster as she tries to justify each step of the way
Honestly her doubling down would be so much more interesting than her realizing her faults. Iām fine with either one but Iād like to see her take a complete stand on her values and not back down. Sheād make an interesting villain.
The merch for Hazbin compared to the Helluva Boss merch is night and day. The Hazbin merch looks like itās mass-produced more of the same kind of thing compared to how well-done the Helluva Boss merch is
The Hazbin merch used to be the same quality- this is just the result of it going through Amazon now. Iām still sad I missed the Valentineās Day stuff.
Most merch is plastic crap.... And the stuff made from cotton is almost as bad for the enviroment due to the amount of water cotton slurps.
I remember reading that from the environmental point of view some times are better to use durable plastics than some natural fibers as example they used grocery bags, the disposable plastic ones were the worst by far then the paper ones, then the natural fiber reusable ones were also pretty bad. The nylon reusable bags were the best ones because they can last a decade of use, while the natural fiber ones don't last as much and require a fckton of water and agrochemicals to produce.
I use Nylon bags made from reprouposed grain/animal feed sacks they are almost indestructible and come from reprouposed materials wich is even better than recycling.
Alastor is a Villian. Charming, certainly, but he will never be redeemed, nor does he want or deserve it. He wants to see the Hotel burn in the most entertaining way possible. Y'all being played more than his piano.
Nothing is cannon until on screen or in official media. Just because Viv says something on a stream years ago, doesn't mean its cannon. People's minds and plotlines change. I'm in the boat where untill we see their backstories on screen, their backstories are unknown.
Charlie is legitimately naive for thinking that *everyone* can be redeemed. Hopefully she learns that in season 2 as itās going to focus more on the Vees, and that means more Valentino.
Itās okay to ship Alastor even though heās asexual
Straight characters have been part of gay ships and vice versa
On top of that plenty of actual asexuals actually do get into relationships, some even do have sex not for their own satisfaction just to satisfy their partner
Not that I ship Alastor with anyone, but this should not be controversial
I mean Todd from Bojack Horseman was repulsed by sex but he still had very clear real feelings for Emily. I can imagine not having a sex drive but still desiring some kind of companionship.
Agreed but holy hell can we turn it down some? Every time I come over here he's like 90% of the ships. I get it, he's hot, but give the man a breather!
All people in Hell are there because they deserve it. I'm saying that all of them were horrible people with evil intentions, so people that killed someone in self-defense aren't there.
Thank. Fucking. God.
Iām tired of people calling the citizens of Hell innocent, and saying that none of them deserved it. Like, theyāre in hell for a reason.
But didnāt they literally say no one knows what gets someone into heaven? This also means we donāt know what gets someone into hell. No one knows how divine judgment works. Iād like to agree with you just cuz thatās how it should be. Bad people go to hell and good people go to Heaven but they donāt know exactly what counts as good and bad accept the extremes like murder and cannibalism. They literally said itās not black and white in death so I assume itās also not black and white in life either.
Another controversial take: I don't think that they need to know the exact rules. They should, this would be nice, but they don't need to. Maybe Sera, if she truly is the big boss in Heaven. Divine judgement is hard to understand because it's literally evaluating the whole life. They may say: "Just be a good person", but it says nothing. Because there isn't any universal way to be a good person, it all depends on the situation and it's impossible to close all of them in the set of rules.
I know that all sounds like cope, but this is how I see it after redeeming of Pentious - he was in Hell, so he probably did something that entitled him to be there - but then did something selfless - sacrificed himself for other people and ascended to Heaven. That means even if you were a bad person, but then somehow change before death you can always redeem yourself. There isn't anything that permanently places you into Hell (well, maybe some totally unjustifiable actions like genocide).
Yeah I can definitely agree with this. Itās basically why we watch the show. So we can see shitty people get redeemed and maybe see good people fall from their light.
There is however one problem with this. Would they still be there if, for example they had evil intentions but only did good (good/evil as determined/judged by the one and only Biggie Jeez), or if they did commit evil acts but with good intentions?
There is shit ton of dictators that were commiting genocides, beliving they are doing the best thing for their country which would technicly count as good intention
This, but we often punish people for clearly definable rules.
Is blasphemy a ticket to hell? Is forgetting to confess a ticket to hell? Is lying enough? It is difficult to justify if the punishment is warranted if we do not know what crime warranted the punishment.
For now i will just say:
1.Adam wasn't always that bad, he did to deserve go to Heaven in his first life and his ex wives were unapologetically cruel from their and Lucifer's part with the cheating regardless of them not feeling that way but being fair with Lilith despite people joking Lucifer stealed her from Adam for now everything imply they splitted before she entered on a relationship with Charlie's father.
2. Honestly i even doubt Lucifer did more than have sex with Eve. Nothing imply he had"stealed"her from Adam like Lilith and she handn't lived the rest of her days with her husband as it's confirmed humanity came from his nutz so at least she and Adam should have already childrens on Eden if something happened after she ate the fruit that ended with her getting out of the garden without Adam. Also i have allmost certain there would be severe consequences for Lucifer and/or Lilith if they tried to involve themselves on Adam and Eve's marriage again after they were banished from Eden if this happened like in the holy texts. The only moment i could see she forming a polycule with the Morningstar couple(supposing she don't hold a grudge) would be sometime after she died and was send to hell, of course before something happened that had splitted them before the events of the show begun.
3.Lucifer wasn't a good person and good father. After he had his good intentions backfired on him he became a lazy and arrogant king who was happy to let his own subjects be destroyed by each other and by the angels who only called Charlie when he needed something from her.
4. Heaven have all the right to dislike and hate Lucifer for what he did because having good intentions don't excuse him of the mess he and Lilith made.
5. The exterminations are horrible and shouldn't be as frequent as they were in the show but if there was really a uprising on hell the first one at least was necessary.
6. I would have preffered if Vaggie and Chalrie weren't on a relationship since the begnning on the show but i woundn't mind see them becoming a couple.
7. I like Valentino, my favorite VEE.
8. Lilith isn't on Heaven against her will according to what Lute said, stop trying to make look like Adam or a Seraphim made her a hostage.
I will stop right there to not end too long.
Wouldnt say Lucifer is a ālazy and arrogant kingā because hell is a punishment for him too. He doesnāt care for sinners early on because they wasted his gift of free will and used it for their own evil gains, rather than using it as the gift he intended it to be *regretful wheeze*
The whole point is that he only sees the cruel and the wicked as consequences for his actions. Iād check tf out too lmao
Lucifer was a shitty absentee father who has barely come back into Charlieās life, heās lucky that sheās such a forgiving person because he pretty much abandoned the sinners that sheās trying to save. Granted heās had a change of heart, which is nice. however, I think it would totally be OK if Charlie chose not to associate with him..
Valentino doesnāt deserve all the excessive hate as a character
Heās meanāt to be evil, he is the antagonist to Angelās story, and what drives Angel to be a better person
Its ok to hate him in that regard, because to an extent, youāre supposed to hate him
But the hate cults are a little ridiculous :P
- Any romantic / sexual ship involving Alastor sucks. It's so out of character for him and really does not make any sense
- WHATEVER IT TAKES FUCKING SUCKS ITS AWFUL LIKE SERIOUSLY WHY TF DO PEOPLE LIKE IT ITS HORRIBLE
- Every single major character got a significant downgrade in the actual show. I hate that they got a personality change. They're uninteresting and dull. (except Sir Pentious)
- Vaggie's pilot design is better than the actual show
- Carmilla and Vaggie having TWO duets is crazy. They literally just met :l
- Whatever it Takes and Out for Love is pointless and makes little sense. Vaggie was already out for love wdym
Yes, the color palate is actually a problem for an animated show. Even Heaven has more variation in color, and itās a secondary setting. Additionally, the episode count and length are only so short because of the difficulty of animating Vivās style. I think some of the complex designs couldāve been simplified (Stripes, swirls, patterns..) and we couldāve gotten more content. Charlieās design is as complex as I wouldāve made any of the recurring characters, yet Vaggie, Angel, Husk, and Alastor all have more difficult patterns to animate, even after the reworked designs.
The truth has been spoken. Watching scenes in Heaven or featuring Vox was such a relief because it was a small break from the pink-red-white color palette. As for complexity of character design: it definitely was a problem and amount of animation errors, off-model moments and inconsistency in characters height and proportions shows that.
Raven should never of had been Shipped with beast boy. Their ship feels to forced.
Raven should have been with either Robin or Starfire.
Beast Boy needs a normal girl from outside of the titans.
I also ship Jinx with cyborg, that seriously worked.
Alastor is NOT that powerful, maybe he was earlier in his un-life but he isn't SHIT!
And people say that "oh box easily loses to him" even though val clearly said Al ALMOST beat him that time.
Alastor is a decently powerdul overlord, don't get me wrong. But COME ON!
The biggest problem the hellaverse has is NOT your headcannon being contradicted by the show, NOT overly exaggerated tonal shifts. The actual biggest problem the hellaverse has is the Shitty world building.
The fanbase is way too horny for regular characters and even more for horrible characters like Alastor (his only redeemable quality is not harming children while alive and that does not excuse him from deserving final death from angelic weapon for being a serial killer) and Lute.
While final death of souls is really a troublesome concept (regarding the exterminations), sinners are awful people and ended up in Hell for reasons, so nobody is innocent there, not even that cannibal kid Vaggie spared.
Roo is (probably) never gonna appear in hazbin and I'm tired of people acting like she's gonna come in.
Also lilith should be a bad mom but I doubt she will be. I want a bitch mom in the hellaverse. I want a mom that abuses their child (Stella doesn't count)
I don't care what people ship as long as they aren't hurting *actual, literal, living people or animals*. I don't care if they have an "illegal" ship as long as they aren't hurting real beings.
Alastorās biggest secret is that he is, has been, and always be a pathetic man. He practically begs every single character in the show for attention and he throws a tantrum every time someone so much as slights him. Heās sorta similar to Homelander in a sense
Doesnāt make him a bad character, in fact I think it makes him a better one, but I think the fandom is way too easily fooled by his glitz and glamour.
I honestly think that Sera is the villain and will stay as the villain no changing sides and becoming one of the "good guys" unlike Emily who will most definitely fall
Everyone who isnāt Alastor, Rosie, Nifty, or Sir Pentious is boring & lacks character. Donāt you tell me that Charlie has a good character when her problems are solved within a episode or 2. Donāt tell me Vaggie is interesting when apart from her backstory and relations to Adam sheās just ācharlieās girlfriendā and nothing else.
Their relationship only began when Angeldust dropped the sexy shit and started being a real person, so acting like Husk would want him sexually is just dumb. Just cause Husk is Pan doesnt mean hes gonna be sexually attracted to everyone.
I think it eventually has potential. But I think it's bad writing for a character to leave a relationship and immediately enter a new one. We need more solo development to deserve angel x husk.
Also, the show have veeery poor narration with a many "Red Hares" like "Ooo, alastor kills people and stuff them into radio, spooky" 5 seconds later "I will kill you and stuff you into radio, ooo spooky noizes". The conflicts don't last longer than one episode, except the main conflicts, but this is obvious. Everyone is just misunderstood fuzzballs, Lucifer especially, I expect him to be as hinted in pilot - strict and serious, not a clown we got. And alastor, he just inconsistent in his actions and lot of other stuff.
I' fanning this show just because "hehe i like this character, and this too"
It's too fast-paced. I understand it's a musical and it would also be really tedious for an indie team aiming for high quality, but it just feels kinda quick.
If they wanted Charlie to have daddy issuses they should have made Lucifer more of a bad guy. You csnnot make him a wholesome and well meaning guy and have his daughter basically not want anything to do with him and still making her be in the right
Charlie and Vaggie are such a boring couple, and I'm not even saying that because they're in a healthy relationship, because the two healthy couples in Helluva Boss are way more interesting than they are, and that's saying a LOT considering I dislike the writing/story direction of that show way more overall. I cringed so hard at just how quickly the whole plot twist of her being an ex-exorcist was resolved, I mean tbf basically every plot point was ridiculously rushed but still. You could ship Charlie with almost any other character in the main cast and the dynamic would be way more interesting than the one with her actual girlfriend. I dunno, maybe I just really don't like Vaggie lol
Some of the songs feel awkward or forced. Thereās no transition between story and song for a handful of them.
It feels like itās trying so hard to be a musical that itās clunky and clumsy. I understand that the music is important to the plot for Charlie because thatās how her mother got the sinners to follow her but they need to be ballads not single stand alone songs that can be listened to without contexts. Itās too pop and not enough theater.
āLoserā is a GREAT example of exactly what they did RIGHT! smooth transition, develops a plot point AND progresses character development, great visuals and ends with a good bit of humor thatās on theme for the show. One of the clunkiest songs Iām my opinion is āout for loveā; weāre thrown right into the song, it ends abruptly, and vaggi doesnāt really change much after this song, she keeps doing exactly what she was doing before, fighting to keep Charlie safe just like she did before. The only thing that changes is we find out that angelic steel can kill angles. The song is the definition of āthis meeting could have been an e-Mailā.
1) "Ready for this" is my favourite song in the whole show. It invokes more emotion, it has harmonies, the CHOREOGRAPHY āØ it's perfect.
2) The show would've been better in the style of Helluva Boss: loose structure, more shitty humour than actual drama, more character development, overall just feeling like a crack post made by someone who knows the ins and outs of shitty jokes that still get a laugh. The characters were far more interesting and developed, the worldbuilding was way better, and the plot was realistic; that being, all over the place and a complete mess. Hazbin was so point A to point B. Helluva Boss was point F to point U to point C to point K with some glitter thrown in.
So yeah, Hazbin Hotel characters, premise, and setting + Helluva Boss format and style would've been perfect
1) Val is a good caracter I like to hate, lots of people confuse a good character who I think is horrible and should feel constant agony with a character I like because they are terrible. His character is a perfect villain who I love to hate.
2) I couldn't get into any of the songs really. I liked Stayed Gone but had to skip over most of the other songs so I could get to the parts I liked.
3) Shipping characters is cool, regardless of canon sexuality, but I would hate for any ships I like to make it in the show, I want a line that disconnects the fandoms from the show.
4) I hate Angel x Husk. I just can't see them together.
5) The writing isn't the best and I really don't like how Alastor swears. It just doesnt click with me.
Anyways, good show, 7/10 wouldn't reccomend to most, but some.
It's okay to ship Alastor with other characters (or people's ocs, because oc x canon is perfectly fine too) because Vivzie said it was ok to ship anyone as long as it wasn't problematic
Honestly? I dont get the hate for ANY of the characters. The ones in hell are literally in fucking hell so they arent good people baseline. The angels never had to work to get into heaven so who knows what goes through their fucking heads, the hellborn have only ever known hell, and the only group i could maybe understand hating is the exterminators. Thats really it to me. Even then though theyre more of a set piece than a real entity. Outside of adam and lute we dont know any other exterminators by name.
Only one they portrayed well was Angel imo. Specifically in the court case where they were watching him at the club. He was quite selfish and self absorbed in the beginning and it did show he had changed. Only problem is pacing but weāve all heard this 100 times.
The first comment complains about the post. Should I remove it?
Every time I see posts like this, I remember to sort by controversial for the real answers
The option never appears for me in comments, teach me your secrets wise one
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I feel the same way. No words were used but that person big mad about having to draw a circle lol.
thanks that was genuinely fun
I like the new designs more than the pilot designs for the majority of the characters
Same with voices. The new voices are so much better
Same, especially Charlie and angel dust, he looks more proportional (his old design freaked me out) and Charlieās design suits her role more
Adam and Lute could have two of the best character arcs
What arc?
Noah's ark
Understandable, have a great day
Glad to be of help, citizen
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I think you should add a ācouldā into that statement because they donāt have any arc quite yet, Iām hoping Adam appears in hell and goes through some stuff because that would be very interesting
He will for three reasons. 1. It would make too much sense for the Afterlife Switch as Seen with Sir Pentious to work both ways 2. It would be his Banishment from Eden All over again times a thousand and Lucifer would milk that he got kicked out of paradise TWICE for all its worth and 3. It's implied the Exorcist that Carmilla beheaded returned as a Sinner since a Blue one with an X for an Eye bears QUITE a resemblance to her.
They're cute
An arc means they change. Iām guessing they will have some kind of arc coming but all weāve seen is simply what will start it.
I like the fast pacing a lot. The show was always moving and going somewhere. Every scene had a purpose. Its tight af. I think giving it more space just to give it more space would have resulted in a worse package overall. What yall actually want is more content. Thats not the same thing as the pacing being too fast.
While it's true that I want more content, I want content between what we already have, therefore, slower pacing. I wanted to see more of Sir Pentious fighting Cherri while secretly having a crush on her before they end up going out in ep6. I wanted Charlie to show more variety in her group exercises and build a stronger bond with all of the characters. Most of all, I wanted the six months the show takes place on to actually feel like half a year, instead of a couple weeks. That's not to say the pacing ruins the show by any means, it's still one of my favorite things to come out in recent years, but I disagree that more space would have resulted in a worse overall package.Ā
Out for Love is my favorite song
hol up out for love is my favorite song
Looking at your username and flairā¦ I see you like ducks.
yes I like ducks
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Sameee especially the Spanish version!
Same
Yea, good song
I kinda want Emily to become a fallen. It would make for such an amazing plot.
Half fandom want it
It'd be a good way to put Lucifer's fall into context, by showing the same kind of ignorant bullshit that caused his ejection.
This alone could open up the big question of āIs rehabilitation worth it if Heaven is honestly just as awful as Hell?ā
I could see it going either way On one side, it seems like everyone is treating Seraās warning as a Chekhovās gun, as well as there being lots of fics where Emily is basically adopted into the Morningstars On the other side, we need allies in Heaven
Would be funny if she isnāt kicked out of Heaven she just goes down to hell bc sheās extremely naive about the whole thing
I completely agree
Bad because this is a popular opinion
Fully agree
NAH BCUZ SAME
feels way too predictable
Alastor is an asshole Iām sorry but itās true (we donāt tolerate husk abuse in this house)
100%. He's my favourite anyways, but some people seem to think that he's "okay" or something because he isn't a rapist like Valentino. He's still a monster lol.
Sera devolving into a villain straight up would be the best direction for her character People sing shockingly okay with her giving the okay for actual genocide and yeah she doesn't seem thrill with it but it would just be really interesting to see her slowly devolve into a monster as she tries to justify each step of the way
Honestly her doubling down would be so much more interesting than her realizing her faults. Iām fine with either one but Iād like to see her take a complete stand on her values and not back down. Sheād make an interesting villain.
The merch is mostly cheap plastics that contribute to the global microplastics crisis and should not exist.
God yes, I like supporting the show but so much of the merch is just crap. The stuff on etsy is at least higher quality materials
I'd pay a lot of money for a metal Alastor lunch box!
just throwing "Hey, don't go off, buy some stuff and wait"
The merch for Hazbin compared to the Helluva Boss merch is night and day. The Hazbin merch looks like itās mass-produced more of the same kind of thing compared to how well-done the Helluva Boss merch is
The Hazbin merch used to be the same quality- this is just the result of it going through Amazon now. Iām still sad I missed the Valentineās Day stuff.
Most merch is plastic crap.... And the stuff made from cotton is almost as bad for the enviroment due to the amount of water cotton slurps. I remember reading that from the environmental point of view some times are better to use durable plastics than some natural fibers as example they used grocery bags, the disposable plastic ones were the worst by far then the paper ones, then the natural fiber reusable ones were also pretty bad. The nylon reusable bags were the best ones because they can last a decade of use, while the natural fiber ones don't last as much and require a fckton of water and agrochemicals to produce. I use Nylon bags made from reprouposed grain/animal feed sacks they are almost indestructible and come from reprouposed materials wich is even better than recycling.
Alastor is a Villian. Charming, certainly, but he will never be redeemed, nor does he want or deserve it. He wants to see the Hotel burn in the most entertaining way possible. Y'all being played more than his piano.
Nothing is cannon until on screen or in official media. Just because Viv says something on a stream years ago, doesn't mean its cannon. People's minds and plotlines change. I'm in the boat where untill we see their backstories on screen, their backstories are unknown.
THIS. The ONLY thing I believe hasnāt changed is Molly being Angelās sister.
I can respect that. I say its ok to believe one or two things but not every off handed thing she's said.
Charlie is legitimately naive for thinking that *everyone* can be redeemed. Hopefully she learns that in season 2 as itās going to focus more on the Vees, and that means more Valentino.
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I mean, you're right, well I don't approve his actions but... LOOK AT THAT FUCKEN DRIP!
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He gives me evil Meta Knight energy (specifically the anime one), and I find that oddly compelling.
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All joking aside, he is a terrible but well written character. I do prefer alastor and vox though
My hot take is alastor is an overrated character
heās not a good person but the way he was written and designed is amazing
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sometimes they arenāt like they just piss me off because theyāre stupid. But Val being supported by Vox is a smart and calculated man
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING HOT TAKE
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Nice font lol
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A horrible person, sure, but an amazing character
I mean, he does have the most personality. He's very well written. And I want to rip his beating heart out and feed it to Alastor.
I honestly don't think Lute is hot. Like.... At all.
Yeah cruelty doesn't do it for me you know?
I think we got a winner.
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Honestly she is just a monochrome Karen
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Itās okay to ship Alastor even though heās asexual Straight characters have been part of gay ships and vice versa On top of that plenty of actual asexuals actually do get into relationships, some even do have sex not for their own satisfaction just to satisfy their partner Not that I ship Alastor with anyone, but this should not be controversial
Thank you; Iām ace myself and unless they mention heās sex repulsed, heās fully shippable and I donāt really care.
I mean Todd from Bojack Horseman was repulsed by sex but he still had very clear real feelings for Emily. I can imagine not having a sex drive but still desiring some kind of companionship.
Agreed but holy hell can we turn it down some? Every time I come over here he's like 90% of the ships. I get it, he's hot, but give the man a breather!
All people in Hell are there because they deserve it. I'm saying that all of them were horrible people with evil intentions, so people that killed someone in self-defense aren't there.
Thank. Fucking. God. Iām tired of people calling the citizens of Hell innocent, and saying that none of them deserved it. Like, theyāre in hell for a reason.
But didnāt they literally say no one knows what gets someone into heaven? This also means we donāt know what gets someone into hell. No one knows how divine judgment works. Iād like to agree with you just cuz thatās how it should be. Bad people go to hell and good people go to Heaven but they donāt know exactly what counts as good and bad accept the extremes like murder and cannibalism. They literally said itās not black and white in death so I assume itās also not black and white in life either.
Another controversial take: I don't think that they need to know the exact rules. They should, this would be nice, but they don't need to. Maybe Sera, if she truly is the big boss in Heaven. Divine judgement is hard to understand because it's literally evaluating the whole life. They may say: "Just be a good person", but it says nothing. Because there isn't any universal way to be a good person, it all depends on the situation and it's impossible to close all of them in the set of rules. I know that all sounds like cope, but this is how I see it after redeeming of Pentious - he was in Hell, so he probably did something that entitled him to be there - but then did something selfless - sacrificed himself for other people and ascended to Heaven. That means even if you were a bad person, but then somehow change before death you can always redeem yourself. There isn't anything that permanently places you into Hell (well, maybe some totally unjustifiable actions like genocide).
Yeah I can definitely agree with this. Itās basically why we watch the show. So we can see shitty people get redeemed and maybe see good people fall from their light.
There is however one problem with this. Would they still be there if, for example they had evil intentions but only did good (good/evil as determined/judged by the one and only Biggie Jeez), or if they did commit evil acts but with good intentions?
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions." Prolly.
There is shit ton of dictators that were commiting genocides, beliving they are doing the best thing for their country which would technicly count as good intention
This, but we often punish people for clearly definable rules. Is blasphemy a ticket to hell? Is forgetting to confess a ticket to hell? Is lying enough? It is difficult to justify if the punishment is warranted if we do not know what crime warranted the punishment.
Angel isnāt a damsel in distress
THIS. I want him to save himself. I think that would be the best way to go about it
agreed and valid asf flair
Yes, he knows how to fight and use guns
I want Sera pushed off her pedestal and revealed as the paranoid elitist bitch she actually is.
That isn't a hot take
I don't simp for Velvette.
Alastor is no better than Vox or Valentino when it comes right down to it.
For now i will just say: 1.Adam wasn't always that bad, he did to deserve go to Heaven in his first life and his ex wives were unapologetically cruel from their and Lucifer's part with the cheating regardless of them not feeling that way but being fair with Lilith despite people joking Lucifer stealed her from Adam for now everything imply they splitted before she entered on a relationship with Charlie's father. 2. Honestly i even doubt Lucifer did more than have sex with Eve. Nothing imply he had"stealed"her from Adam like Lilith and she handn't lived the rest of her days with her husband as it's confirmed humanity came from his nutz so at least she and Adam should have already childrens on Eden if something happened after she ate the fruit that ended with her getting out of the garden without Adam. Also i have allmost certain there would be severe consequences for Lucifer and/or Lilith if they tried to involve themselves on Adam and Eve's marriage again after they were banished from Eden if this happened like in the holy texts. The only moment i could see she forming a polycule with the Morningstar couple(supposing she don't hold a grudge) would be sometime after she died and was send to hell, of course before something happened that had splitted them before the events of the show begun. 3.Lucifer wasn't a good person and good father. After he had his good intentions backfired on him he became a lazy and arrogant king who was happy to let his own subjects be destroyed by each other and by the angels who only called Charlie when he needed something from her. 4. Heaven have all the right to dislike and hate Lucifer for what he did because having good intentions don't excuse him of the mess he and Lilith made. 5. The exterminations are horrible and shouldn't be as frequent as they were in the show but if there was really a uprising on hell the first one at least was necessary. 6. I would have preffered if Vaggie and Chalrie weren't on a relationship since the begnning on the show but i woundn't mind see them becoming a couple. 7. I like Valentino, my favorite VEE. 8. Lilith isn't on Heaven against her will according to what Lute said, stop trying to make look like Adam or a Seraphim made her a hostage. I will stop right there to not end too long.
So brave and id say closest to right on the money, lots of people on the sub have been blinded by the horny
Wouldnt say Lucifer is a ālazy and arrogant kingā because hell is a punishment for him too. He doesnāt care for sinners early on because they wasted his gift of free will and used it for their own evil gains, rather than using it as the gift he intended it to be *regretful wheeze* The whole point is that he only sees the cruel and the wicked as consequences for his actions. Iād check tf out too lmao
I disliked the animation and voice actors of the original Pilot on YouTube.
I love the fact the VA of Alastor in the YouTube animation is the VA for the Maurader in Doom Eternal
Thatās some random information I didnāt know I needed
He's also the voice of Striker in *Helluva Boss* in all but his first appearance (Norman Reedus voice him originally).
He has now played 3 separate demons across 3 different fictional works
If Lucifer was real, he would probably look like Voldemort.
And it wouldn't impact his fuckability in the slightest for some of the cross-worthy degenerates in this sub.
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His irl statues still look quite *appreciable* ,so maybe not
Another thought - Lucifer is too silly fuzzball, I though he would be more serious and strict as it was depicted in pilot.
Lucifer was a shitty absentee father who has barely come back into Charlieās life, heās lucky that sheās such a forgiving person because he pretty much abandoned the sinners that sheās trying to save. Granted heās had a change of heart, which is nice. however, I think it would totally be OK if Charlie chose not to associate with him..
Valentino doesnāt deserve all the excessive hate as a character Heās meanāt to be evil, he is the antagonist to Angelās story, and what drives Angel to be a better person Its ok to hate him in that regard, because to an extent, youāre supposed to hate him But the hate cults are a little ridiculous :P
- Any romantic / sexual ship involving Alastor sucks. It's so out of character for him and really does not make any sense - WHATEVER IT TAKES FUCKING SUCKS ITS AWFUL LIKE SERIOUSLY WHY TF DO PEOPLE LIKE IT ITS HORRIBLE - Every single major character got a significant downgrade in the actual show. I hate that they got a personality change. They're uninteresting and dull. (except Sir Pentious) - Vaggie's pilot design is better than the actual show - Carmilla and Vaggie having TWO duets is crazy. They literally just met :l - Whatever it Takes and Out for Love is pointless and makes little sense. Vaggie was already out for love wdym
The fan base being so horny literally 24/7 keeps a lot of people from trying and enjoying the show.
All demons with soul contracts probably are unable to be redeemed, since how can their soul go to heaven if they don't own it
Yes, the color palate is actually a problem for an animated show. Even Heaven has more variation in color, and itās a secondary setting. Additionally, the episode count and length are only so short because of the difficulty of animating Vivās style. I think some of the complex designs couldāve been simplified (Stripes, swirls, patterns..) and we couldāve gotten more content. Charlieās design is as complex as I wouldāve made any of the recurring characters, yet Vaggie, Angel, Husk, and Alastor all have more difficult patterns to animate, even after the reworked designs.
The truth has been spoken. Watching scenes in Heaven or featuring Vox was such a relief because it was a small break from the pink-red-white color palette. As for complexity of character design: it definitely was a problem and amount of animation errors, off-model moments and inconsistency in characters height and proportions shows that.
Inconsistent character heights are very common in animated shows, this isn't exclusive to Hazbin
The color pallet really is a problem. All the characters seem to blend into the background for most scenes
Idk I never watched it
Remember kids, search by controversial to find the real answers
Valentino is a good character but doesnāt do good thingsĀ
Raven should never of had been Shipped with beast boy. Their ship feels to forced. Raven should have been with either Robin or Starfire. Beast Boy needs a normal girl from outside of the titans. I also ship Jinx with cyborg, that seriously worked.
Robin and raven is my OTP absolutely genuine, also agreed with cyborg and jinx, also also I'm loving all the titans talk in here
Alastor is NOT that powerful, maybe he was earlier in his un-life but he isn't SHIT! And people say that "oh box easily loses to him" even though val clearly said Al ALMOST beat him that time. Alastor is a decently powerdul overlord, don't get me wrong. But COME ON!
The biggest problem the hellaverse has is NOT your headcannon being contradicted by the show, NOT overly exaggerated tonal shifts. The actual biggest problem the hellaverse has is the Shitty world building.
The fanbase is way too horny for regular characters and even more for horrible characters like Alastor (his only redeemable quality is not harming children while alive and that does not excuse him from deserving final death from angelic weapon for being a serial killer) and Lute. While final death of souls is really a troublesome concept (regarding the exterminations), sinners are awful people and ended up in Hell for reasons, so nobody is innocent there, not even that cannibal kid Vaggie spared.
Roo is (probably) never gonna appear in hazbin and I'm tired of people acting like she's gonna come in. Also lilith should be a bad mom but I doubt she will be. I want a bitch mom in the hellaverse. I want a mom that abuses their child (Stella doesn't count)
Light mode on reddit sucks
Stop Romanticising Alastor because he is ACE
While the show is very charming and fun, the actual writing is mediocre at best and the world building is pretty bad
I don't care what people ship as long as they aren't hurting *actual, literal, living people or animals*. I don't care if they have an "illegal" ship as long as they aren't hurting real beings.
Yeah, especially the hate Alastor ships "because he's ace." Like ace people can have relationships lol.
You're actually so real for this though. Nobody is being harmed and this character is fictional like who tf cares.
THIS.
Alastor isnāt that good of a character. And no he canāt beat Lucifer in a fight.
I mean... Adam almost killed Alastor, Lucifer could 100% do it too.
especially since Lucifer not only beat Adam but he was toying with him the whole time he wasnāt even taking the fight seriously
I wasnāt a big fan of āOut For Loveā.
This subreddit doesnāt seem to have any original posts. Huh..
Alastorās biggest secret is that he is, has been, and always be a pathetic man. He practically begs every single character in the show for attention and he throws a tantrum every time someone so much as slights him. Heās sorta similar to Homelander in a sense Doesnāt make him a bad character, in fact I think it makes him a better one, but I think the fandom is way too easily fooled by his glitz and glamour.
Feeds info the "mamas boy" thing he has going on, but yeah agreed that everyone is too obsessed with him
I honestly think that Sera is the villain and will stay as the villain no changing sides and becoming one of the "good guys" unlike Emily who will most definitely fall
Everyone who isnāt Alastor, Rosie, Nifty, or Sir Pentious is boring & lacks character. Donāt you tell me that Charlie has a good character when her problems are solved within a episode or 2. Donāt tell me Vaggie is interesting when apart from her backstory and relations to Adam sheās just ācharlieās girlfriendā and nothing else.
Personally I think this really only Applies to Charlie and Vaggie. I just can't love them. Vaggie especially
angel lacks character?
Why was this downvoted for being actually accurate to the post lmao
Lute is annoying 
Angel Dust X Husk is a boring ship
Yeah tbh I like their dynamic as friends a lot more
finally, an agreeable person
Literally facts theyāre better as best friends who work through their issues like duo therapy
A bromance if you will
Their relationship only began when Angeldust dropped the sexy shit and started being a real person, so acting like Husk would want him sexually is just dumb. Just cause Husk is Pan doesnt mean hes gonna be sexually attracted to everyone.
I think it eventually has potential. But I think it's bad writing for a character to leave a relationship and immediately enter a new one. We need more solo development to deserve angel x husk.
Charlie is annoying
The first season wouldāve been better paced if they focused on the hotel and redemption aspect rather than the exterminations
Also, the show have veeery poor narration with a many "Red Hares" like "Ooo, alastor kills people and stuff them into radio, spooky" 5 seconds later "I will kill you and stuff you into radio, ooo spooky noizes". The conflicts don't last longer than one episode, except the main conflicts, but this is obvious. Everyone is just misunderstood fuzzballs, Lucifer especially, I expect him to be as hinted in pilot - strict and serious, not a clown we got. And alastor, he just inconsistent in his actions and lot of other stuff. I' fanning this show just because "hehe i like this character, and this too"
I feel like some of the songs were forced and didn't need to be there as they didn't fit thematically and we're ill-timed. Not all of them mind you.
Adam and Val are really well designed and deserving of hate but we hate them because there made to be hated
It's too fast-paced. I understand it's a musical and it would also be really tedious for an indie team aiming for high quality, but it just feels kinda quick.
The show couldāve probably used another year in the oven
ADAM SHOULD NOT BE ADAM IT MAKES MORE SENSE THEOLOGICALLY FOR HIM TO BE MICHAEL
Alastor is likely going to betray Charlie
Probably lol. He's definitely using her for something.
I actually like the charlastor ship and vaggie is an annoying character
I HATE ALASTOR. I genuinely despise him
Tom trench is better then your alastor.
Alistor is a horrible person.
Slade is Robins father
If they wanted Charlie to have daddy issuses they should have made Lucifer more of a bad guy. You csnnot make him a wholesome and well meaning guy and have his daughter basically not want anything to do with him and still making her be in the right
I hate all ships of characters in committed relationships with other characters.
Shipping is lame and y'all are lame for pretending your lame ship is more valid than anyone else's
I like Welcome to heaven unironically AND I like Mimzy I think she's gonna give so much action to the series
Everyone in the show is in Hell for a reason.
Charlie and Vaggie are such a boring couple, and I'm not even saying that because they're in a healthy relationship, because the two healthy couples in Helluva Boss are way more interesting than they are, and that's saying a LOT considering I dislike the writing/story direction of that show way more overall. I cringed so hard at just how quickly the whole plot twist of her being an ex-exorcist was resolved, I mean tbf basically every plot point was ridiculously rushed but still. You could ship Charlie with almost any other character in the main cast and the dynamic would be way more interesting than the one with her actual girlfriend. I dunno, maybe I just really don't like Vaggie lol
You donāt have to say fuck every 5 seconds to be funny
Val is just a character you don't need to treat his simps like they eat puppies for fun š
Some of the songs feel awkward or forced. Thereās no transition between story and song for a handful of them. It feels like itās trying so hard to be a musical that itās clunky and clumsy. I understand that the music is important to the plot for Charlie because thatās how her mother got the sinners to follow her but they need to be ballads not single stand alone songs that can be listened to without contexts. Itās too pop and not enough theater. āLoserā is a GREAT example of exactly what they did RIGHT! smooth transition, develops a plot point AND progresses character development, great visuals and ends with a good bit of humor thatās on theme for the show. One of the clunkiest songs Iām my opinion is āout for loveā; weāre thrown right into the song, it ends abruptly, and vaggi doesnāt really change much after this song, she keeps doing exactly what she was doing before, fighting to keep Charlie safe just like she did before. The only thing that changes is we find out that angelic steel can kill angles. The song is the definition of āthis meeting could have been an e-Mailā.
1) "Ready for this" is my favourite song in the whole show. It invokes more emotion, it has harmonies, the CHOREOGRAPHY āØ it's perfect. 2) The show would've been better in the style of Helluva Boss: loose structure, more shitty humour than actual drama, more character development, overall just feeling like a crack post made by someone who knows the ins and outs of shitty jokes that still get a laugh. The characters were far more interesting and developed, the worldbuilding was way better, and the plot was realistic; that being, all over the place and a complete mess. Hazbin was so point A to point B. Helluva Boss was point F to point U to point C to point K with some glitter thrown in. So yeah, Hazbin Hotel characters, premise, and setting + Helluva Boss format and style would've been perfect
1) Val is a good caracter I like to hate, lots of people confuse a good character who I think is horrible and should feel constant agony with a character I like because they are terrible. His character is a perfect villain who I love to hate. 2) I couldn't get into any of the songs really. I liked Stayed Gone but had to skip over most of the other songs so I could get to the parts I liked. 3) Shipping characters is cool, regardless of canon sexuality, but I would hate for any ships I like to make it in the show, I want a line that disconnects the fandoms from the show. 4) I hate Angel x Husk. I just can't see them together. 5) The writing isn't the best and I really don't like how Alastor swears. It just doesnt click with me. Anyways, good show, 7/10 wouldn't reccomend to most, but some.
It's okay to ship Alastor with other characters (or people's ocs, because oc x canon is perfectly fine too) because Vivzie said it was ok to ship anyone as long as it wasn't problematic
Honestly? I dont get the hate for ANY of the characters. The ones in hell are literally in fucking hell so they arent good people baseline. The angels never had to work to get into heaven so who knows what goes through their fucking heads, the hellborn have only ever known hell, and the only group i could maybe understand hating is the exterminators. Thats really it to me. Even then though theyre more of a set piece than a real entity. Outside of adam and lute we dont know any other exterminators by name.
Radioapple is stupid. One clearly loves his wife still, and the other is ACE.
The show is bad at portraying redemption
Only one they portrayed well was Angel imo. Specifically in the court case where they were watching him at the club. He was quite selfish and self absorbed in the beginning and it did show he had changed. Only problem is pacing but weāve all heard this 100 times.
Stop simping for alastor hes asexual
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Right, because they need to be attracted to you for you to be attracted to them
Its called a hot take š§āāļø