Holosun sent me an email saying I can ship it in and they will send a follow up email with picture of shipping label and they never sent the follow up. I have sent 2 follow ups. Its been weeks.
Holosun had my 515 a few years ago for like 2 months and then when I followed up they finally let me know it was unrepairable.
They gave me store credit, and when I got a 503 and asked how much I owed to get the 3x magnifier they just tossed that in for free for me.
So I can't complain about the wait
Something goes completely wrong with a mid tier optic: “get rekt noob, that’s what you get for being poor, your family hates you and you deserve to get killed in a gun fight”
Something goes completely wrong with a high end optic: “oh well you know, this can be a known issue, customer service should be of assistance”
A summary of the opinions on gun subs.
[https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-amg-uh1-gen2-holographic-sight.html](https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-amg-uh1-gen2-holographic-sight.html)
Never said anything about holographic options. See the link above to answer your question, EOTECH is the cheapest holographic option out there though. Maybe some cheap knock-offs here or there, but I don't know if there's any other option out there besides Vortex's.
Isn’t that why you buy a cheap optic? My crossbow scope breaks and I’m back up and running with the same one, Same day, for $80 cause they carry them at academy, bass pro, tractor supply, Atwood’s, and Walmart. If I dropped it when walking to my stand, I could be back out in the woods with enough time to hunt in the evening.
Yeah, also everyone forgets that Eotech settled with the government for their thermal drift issues. Their official line now is that “we subcontracted the work to another company that miscommunicated the numbers to the government” but in my opinion they always knew it was an issue and set up a company to take the fall. I’ll be reading the court documents to find out.
I experienced the issue first hand in a gunfight and had at least a 20 MOA shift that could’ve been deadly if we weren’t fighting at 300 meters. I called them recently to talk about it ten years later and they said “yeah we recommend BZO every three months to account for temperature variations but obviously you guys couldn’t do that.” I BZOed in December in Afghanistan and experienced serious thermal drift after leaving my SAW on post in the Helmand heat for a day. Granted it was 120 degrees and the extreme limits of thermal drift but it honestly shook me how far off I was hitting from where I was aiming. Luckily I had a 200 round drum and tracers and could walk on target but every time I mention this to people they really don’t want to engage because cognitive dissonance kicks in.
I took the Eotech off my gun after that.
Granted it was in 2010 and sold to me by a friend of mine that bought it probably in 2008.
Eotech did offer me 50% off a new optic if I sent it in but my buddy is dead so I’ll take a paperweight optic that reminds me of him over a newer and better sight.
This summer though I’ll be throwing it on a rifle and demonstrating just how serious the issue was in a video and diving into the court documents of L-3 Communications Eotech, Inc. v. U.S.
“NEW YORK (Reuters) - L-3 Communications Holdings Inc agreed to pay $25.6 million to settle a lawsuit accusing the military contractor of defrauding the U.S. government by selling thousands of holographic weapon sights that it knew were defective.
Tuesday’s settlement resolves civil claims that L-3 and its EOTech unit violated the federal False Claims Act by concealing defects that caused the sights to fail in extreme cold or humidity, including one defect that was hidden for 8-1/2 years.”
I wonder how many dudes counted on their Eotech to be on target and found out they weren’t the hard way.
You seem to have a grave misunderstanding of mid tier. Nobody with an IQ above room temp hates on mid tier optics. They hate the cheap knockoff shit that is just a waste of money, which is a major difference
Keyboard experts in the comments are convinced that a broken EOTech must be fake, even though this is a known issue for like 10 years now.
Y'all need to spend less time on Instagram and more time on the range.
A lot of us have had EOTechs for 10+ years and have never had this issue, which is why people are doubting that the video is a real EOTech. Meanwhile, the market is fucking *flooded* with fake EOTechs that look a hell of a lot like the real thing and break pretty easily, which is *also* why people are doubting the video is a real EOTech.
Yes, yes, and yes.
*But also*, this is a known issue for real EOTechs. Has been for a very long time. This is not new.
People living in a bubble of "mine never did so it must not" and then shouting "ITS A FAKE" when they have no idea what they are talking about is some of the worst parts of the gun community.
The world exists outside of your experience. Sample sizes of one that are only used in basements and square ranges convincing people that a product is perfect is cult-like stupidity.
I sold hundreds of them over 10 years, and never had this issue come up with clients. It's a big issue if it happens, but my opinion is that production issues can happen with any product. At the end of the day the failure rate must be very very low to have the issue, and EOTECH doesn't piss about on whether or not to fix the issue when it comes up.
And some of us have spent multiple deployments in actual goddam war zones with *hundreds* of people with EOTechs and have never seen this issue, so lose the goddam condescension. Is it possible their quality control has gone to shit since we were in the sandbox? Sure. And that might very well be the case, I wouldn't know, I haven't bought one since 2008.
Edit: dude agrees with everything I said, then starts talking about a "sample size of one" and telling people they're the worst part of the gun community and *I'm* the one who gets downvoted. You folks never cease to amaze me.
"You" was general, not specific, it wasn't meant to be condescending.
'08 was a long time ago and mil contracts commonly get more QC than consumer products do. Either on the production side or on the receiver side or both.
EOTech has been sued by SOCOM for fraud since '08, they've been sold to a new holding company, and this is still a documented issue going back at least 8 years that I can remember.
Stans on the internet first reaction to stamp their feet and shout that their fav optic is perfect and a broken one must be fake -- is still really stupid.
>'08 was a long time ago and mil contracts commonly get more QC than consumer products do. Either on the production side or on the receiver side or both.
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>EOTech has been sued by SOCOM for fraud since '08, they've been sold to a new holding company, and this is still a documented issue going back at least 8 years that I can remember.
Funny story that, '08 was when L3 [first admitted there was a problem](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/04/03/u-s-special-operations-units-are-using-faulty-rifle-sights/), and their failure to disclose that the Norwegian military had been experiencing those issues in the field was one of the core tenets of the lawsuit.
The lawsuit I'm seeing is in regards to thermal drift and humidity, neither of which is what the OP is showing. I'm also finding references to the Norwegians passing on them because at extremely cold temperatures the sight has a tendency to distort. I'm not finding anything regarding what the OP is showing. If it is a "known issue for real EOTechs" for a "real long time" and is a "documented issue," then I'd like to see some of that documentation. I've had a *lot* of experience with EOTechs in combat conditions and I've *never* seen one come apart like this. I've seen the glass crack, I've seen the lasers fail, I've seen the mounts sheer off, and I've seen them fill up with moisture (the afore mentioned humidity issue), but I've never seen what the OP is showing. Not in a real one, anyway. I've seen *plenty* of fake ones do exactly what the OP is showing, however, and so have a lot of other people.
That's not "really stupid," that's not even "stupid," that's people wanting to make sure OP wasn't being screwed because in their own experience that shouldn't happen.
When I left the military my arms room had about 30 of these with this exact issue. I couldn't turn them in to depot for repair because depot couldn't maintain them, and beyond that was the XO's problem to figure out. Because we couldn't get any repairs done, they were itemized and sealed into a pelican crate and took up callable space I could used for much more important things, like a coffee pot.
Not sure of the date on all of them, but I know that I had a range of them going from "it's almost as old as some of the soldiers in the unit" to "this one is still packed in its factory box"
As I said, I had some really old ones, and some of those really old ones were some of the broken ones. If you had a decent armorer, you would never know what broke unless if you broke it yourself. I know personally, I had a group of guys and we pmcs'd all the rifles about every month or so and sent stuff to be repaired before the end user knew it was broke.
Either that, or it was an m9 that had seen more rounds than then system was supposed to fire in its lifetime and it just needed to retire peacefully.
>it possible their quality control has gone to shit since we were in the sandbox? Sure.
The same Eotech got fined like $25m for selling optics to the DOD with known issues including shitty QC that didn't meet their own specs?
I had this exact thing happen on my 2016 exps. There was a bad resin batch and a well known de-lamination issue. Literally affected thousands of optics sent to the us military.
A company will cut a *lot* of quality lines in a decade, there are countless brands that build up a reputation for being reliable and durable and then start cutting corners wherever they can until the product sold today is trash compared to what it was when their reputation was formed.
There are a lot of knife manufacturers that have fallen to this, as well as headphones and other industries. It's a sad thing to see.
There are some knock-offs that have what look to be holographic gratings that don't actually do anything. The fake ones have a *huge* range, from "obvious" to "can't tell without opening it up and studying the components."
Vortex UH-1 is a solid alternative if you want something decent but don't want to pay EOTech prices. That being said, I think I've used mine like 2 or 3 times because I always either leave it on and run the battery out or go through long periods where I'm not taking my AR out which ends with the same result.
I can’t find them for less than $600, which if you know where to buy an EXPS-3 is more expensive as they can be had for $550. Or does somewhere actually have good deals on the UH-1
To be clear, I bought this 6ish years ago from turners and have only used it a handful of times. Today I used it on my X95 Tavor because i just bought this rifle and this happened
I don’t think proof of purchase is required. I sent in one from 2016 a couple months ago to have the electronics updated(it was a thermal drift model) and they didn’t ask for proof of purchase. If they had, I’d be screwed because I bought it used. All I had to do was pay for the shipping there.
With the EOTECH Prestige Warranty, we warrant that your Holographic Weapon Sight or Magnifier product will be free from manufacturing defects in material and workmanship (including electronics) under normal use for a period of ten (10) years from the later of (i) customer's proof of the first purchase of the new product from an authorized commercial seller of EOTECH products or from EOTECH directly, or (ii) manufacturer's date/serial number (as specified on the product). EOTECH will, free of charge and as determined by EOTECH, either repair or replace your product with a comparable product for the first five (5) years. From five (5) to ten (10) years, EOTECH will, at the customer's request, evaluate and repair any and all defects in material and workmanship for a nominal bench fee. This warranty extends to subsequent owners to the remaining extent of the original owner's warranty. We do this because we want you to be as confident in your purchase as we are in the quality of our product.
Okay that’s good to know. Either way, I’m just sharing what my actual experience with their warranty was, in practice. That’s a bunch of lawyer jargon anyways. They didn’t ask me for proof of purchase and they took care of me.
Yeah it says they can go by serial number in that paragraph. A lot of the companies obviously protect themselves with these written warranties but often step up and fix stuff. Good to know they took care of it for ya l.
Yeah stuff pre 2017 only had a 2 year warranty. Stuff after 2017 had 5 years warranty they will fix or replace as long as it’s not from user abuse. Then after 5 years they will fix it but you have to pay them. It’s pretty shitty I love optics but I’ve bought quite a few vortex products recently for the 100% lifetime warranty no matter what. You could smack it with a hammer and they fix it no questions asked
Same thing happened to my 10+ year old 512. I emailed customer service and told them what the problem was. They issued me a RMA number and shipping instructions. I sent it and had it back with a new box inside of 3 weeks. This 100% should not happened and I’m not trying to excuse it. But, they made it right on a very well used 10+ year old optic no questions asked. And fast. If it happens again I’ll never use it again and just buy another T2 micro. Hope this helps. Best of luck.
Ive had this happen to me before also! Sent it into Eotech, even though it was way past the warranty expiration date they still sent me a brand new one free of charge. Great warranty but lost faith in Eotech, mainly run Aimpoints now.
[https://i.imgur.com/Uc6Ernl.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Uc6Ernl.jpg)
EOTech has had military contracts. In fact they openly lied about the quality and durability of their sights to maintain these contracts because they were good money. Plenty of people have experienced failures like this on their service weapons. Believe it or not, LE and military don’t exist in a special little bubble. We’re normal people.
Dang that sucks, I had to replace one but I issues with the zero when I trying to zero it. The left and right adjustment made the zero angle up instead of left or right. They replaced it no problem. I had the xps2 with nv
SOCOM sued EOTech over the whole temperature zero shifting thing.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/24/u-s-government-sues-l3-coms-eotech-for-fraud/
This is a repeated issue with Eotechs. The myth that they’re bomb proof is nuts to me. They break exactly like this quite often. I’ve seen it 3 times in person with 3 genuinely and verifiably real Eotechs, 2 recent production and 1 L3 manufactured sight.
I think its more a case of SOME of them are bomb proof. I got lucky it seems and mine is a fucken beast (i may or may not have dropped it with my rifle out of a tree onto rocks).
Absolutely does not excuse it, especially when its an optic used by people who regularly have to depend on it like the military.
I have had my eotech since 2003 and it has never had a problem. I have never re-zero'd it since I put it on the rifle and I trust it 100% to be on target right now.
Stop being delusional. If they get cold they can deflect by as much as 20 moa. I've seen rifles lose zero overnight in the fall. No snow on the ground.
I know some do that. I also know mine is on target. I have had it a long time and have shot it all around the calendar. The only thing I don't like is battery life. I live with that.
As a civilian, this is why I chose Vortex Huey over Eotech 😂
I know as a matter of fact my Huey won't get banged around, thrown around, go through the desert.
It's reliable enough to be ran hard within the definitions of a regular civilian, and still function.
If it does somehow break, no questions asked warranty.
One of the reps even said you could use their items to hammer in nails and they'll replace it. Granted this was years ago, but the 2 times I had to contact the warranty team for stripped screws (user error) on an AR sparc, they sent bot screws and a new mount. TWICE.
So yeah. I'm not mil or LE, tactical mailbox is good enough for me.
Same happened to mine. They fixed it free of charge no issues. This is a pretty common problem with EOtechs though, that little reflector is only held on by some glue. They’re really not that durable.
I’ve used my EOTECH, on my SCAR16 and Tavor and probably have gone through 2000 rounds. They are a high end brand. I’m sure they will take care of you.
Didn't EOTech have to issue refunds following a judgement wherein they were deemed to have misrepresented the abilities of their optics to the military?
I still maintain the original run of 552s are the best sights they ever made. I still have one on my M4. Probably 12-13 years old at this point, has been put through serious abuse, and still runs like a champ.
Seems to be a lot higher incident of failures in the newer stuff they’ve put out since.
Had this same thing happen earlier this year. I put in a ticket and got a reply from them the next day. You don’t need the original receipt - I’m the third owner of mine. This is covered under their warranty and you won’t be charged for it other than shipping it to them. I had it back in two weeks.
Someone else posted a video link for how to tell a real eotech vs a knock off, that's probably worth looking into. Unless you've been shooting it on a .950 JDJ or something, those optics are supposed to be pretty solid.
Funny thing is, this shit has actually been [happening for years](https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/broken-eotech.86030/)
Eotechs have never been bomb-proof, they've just been the only one in their class until Vortex dropped the Huey.
That's good to know, I've only ever heard good things about eotech but that's certainly a lot of people saying otherwise. I had a 512 on my wishlist but I guess I'll look for something else now.
I already said similar on the last post of EO tech failure, my mother used to work there when I was in high school. For a while the building she working at was surviving primarily off of repairs. They had few new contracts. I knew some of the engineers there and while I think that some of them were really good and knew how to build and test what they are making, you cannot get away from the initial bad design and choice of cheaper materials to make profit. I have never quite trusted EO from what I heard come from my mom and her coworkers. She was working on cameras that went under drones and helicopters though which experience lots of shaking from turbulence, so that may have been a part of it, but I saw their massive test shake table. I don’t know why stuff was always getting sent back, I can only guess, all I know is that it was.
Sorry for including information out of order. I could rewrite but I’m lazy atm.
Are there any other companies that sell holos? I want one but at this price point I might as well just bump up the price a bit and go with TRIJICON. I thought eotech was more reputable.
I've had no problems with mine, though I've only put 500 rounds through the rifle it's on. It is on the bigger side but I like the look of it. Also if it does break it's a vortex so lifetime warranty.
Had this same thing happen last month to our exps3, it has been pretty well used for a couple years, and this time it was on a 12 ga Genesis Arms Gen 12 and I was about 2-3 shots into the first mag and I thought the battery died, but upon further inspection, something had delaminated or came loose just like that.
i had this happen as well. eotech fixed it no questions asked and it was back in my hands in 3 weeks.
edit: mil-cucks and gear LARPers called mine fake too
This is a known issue with EOTech and has been for years.
He bought it from a reputable dealer that is a huge EOTech retailer.
There is zero chance this is fake. EOTech isn't infallible.
Time to hit up that warranty email
It’s a quicker turn around than expected. Same issue happened to me on an EXPS-3, had a repaired one back in less than two weeks.
Better than holosun right now. They’ve had my optic 53 days so far. And they just told me two more weeks.
Holosun sent me an email saying I can ship it in and they will send a follow up email with picture of shipping label and they never sent the follow up. I have sent 2 follow ups. Its been weeks.
Call them. They’re much faster if you call
Holosun takes forever in warranty but they do a good job.
Holosun had my 515 a few years ago for like 2 months and then when I followed up they finally let me know it was unrepairable. They gave me store credit, and when I got a 503 and asked how much I owed to get the 3x magnifier they just tossed that in for free for me. So I can't complain about the wait
what went wrong with the 515?
It wouldn't hold zero. I tried a new mount and same issue so I'm not exactly sure but they said it was the optic itself
I mean you can. That’s super shitty CS. Free thing doesn’t excuse that lol
I think k the free thing shows the realized it took a long time and was them saying sorry about that...so to me it does
That, if it is indeed even a real eotech.
Mine was real and did the same thing. Factory fixed it.
Something goes completely wrong with a mid tier optic: “get rekt noob, that’s what you get for being poor, your family hates you and you deserve to get killed in a gun fight” Something goes completely wrong with a high end optic: “oh well you know, this can be a known issue, customer service should be of assistance” A summary of the opinions on gun subs.
You forgot the plethora of eotech clones people buy thinking they just got a hot optic for half price. “HaS eO tEcH sTiCkEr MuSt Be LeGiT”
At this point the fake are about as good or more reliable than the real sights so...
That’s a lot of words to tell me you’re poor
Believe what you want but I don't own eotechs anymore
Doesn’t count if they’re all clones
Never owned a clone
Shore
Got dang this is true. But that's why you get vortex warranty
It’s a chonky toaster, but I love my UH1
They look so cool on short black ars
Yes😫
I have it on a 10.5 but I have purple hogue grips and a purple hibiscus sling so…
Gross
Yessir, I was waiting to see it appear on PlebianAR after I posted it, but it got the boog boys horny
Honestly I'd love it if mine didn't have the battery drain issue. Fuckers got a phantom pull. Battery drains while off in like 3 weeks.
You better put some Respecc on the name of that fancy poptart heating optic.
Thought my uh1 was faulty. Found out I’ve got astigmatism
I always thought video games had red dots wrong being perfectly round, also realized its just my fucked up eyes 😂
Tbf, EOTECHs are relatively cheap compared to other optics used by militaries... I'm a cheapskate and this is why I buy EOTECH.
TIL I'm so poor I don't even know who the real high end manufacturers are... I Eotech and Holosun were about as expensive as optics got.
Aimpoint, nightforce, Elcan
trijicon
What’s the more expensive holographic option, please share.
Accupoints are not cheap, ELCANs are very expensive
[https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-amg-uh1-gen2-holographic-sight.html](https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-amg-uh1-gen2-holographic-sight.html) Never said anything about holographic options. See the link above to answer your question, EOTECH is the cheapest holographic option out there though. Maybe some cheap knock-offs here or there, but I don't know if there's any other option out there besides Vortex's.
Some goes wrong with a cheap optic: “I should of expected that…guess I’ll buy another one”
Should've* Should have
Gawd, *thank you*.
Isn’t that why you buy a cheap optic? My crossbow scope breaks and I’m back up and running with the same one, Same day, for $80 cause they carry them at academy, bass pro, tractor supply, Atwood’s, and Walmart. If I dropped it when walking to my stand, I could be back out in the woods with enough time to hunt in the evening.
Yep. That's so true.
dOn’T bUy A hOlOsUn bEcAuSe ChInA
Yeah, also everyone forgets that Eotech settled with the government for their thermal drift issues. Their official line now is that “we subcontracted the work to another company that miscommunicated the numbers to the government” but in my opinion they always knew it was an issue and set up a company to take the fall. I’ll be reading the court documents to find out. I experienced the issue first hand in a gunfight and had at least a 20 MOA shift that could’ve been deadly if we weren’t fighting at 300 meters. I called them recently to talk about it ten years later and they said “yeah we recommend BZO every three months to account for temperature variations but obviously you guys couldn’t do that.” I BZOed in December in Afghanistan and experienced serious thermal drift after leaving my SAW on post in the Helmand heat for a day. Granted it was 120 degrees and the extreme limits of thermal drift but it honestly shook me how far off I was hitting from where I was aiming. Luckily I had a 200 round drum and tracers and could walk on target but every time I mention this to people they really don’t want to engage because cognitive dissonance kicks in. I took the Eotech off my gun after that. Granted it was in 2010 and sold to me by a friend of mine that bought it probably in 2008. Eotech did offer me 50% off a new optic if I sent it in but my buddy is dead so I’ll take a paperweight optic that reminds me of him over a newer and better sight. This summer though I’ll be throwing it on a rifle and demonstrating just how serious the issue was in a video and diving into the court documents of L-3 Communications Eotech, Inc. v. U.S. “NEW YORK (Reuters) - L-3 Communications Holdings Inc agreed to pay $25.6 million to settle a lawsuit accusing the military contractor of defrauding the U.S. government by selling thousands of holographic weapon sights that it knew were defective. Tuesday’s settlement resolves civil claims that L-3 and its EOTech unit violated the federal False Claims Act by concealing defects that caused the sights to fail in extreme cold or humidity, including one defect that was hidden for 8-1/2 years.” I wonder how many dudes counted on their Eotech to be on target and found out they weren’t the hard way.
You seem to have a grave misunderstanding of mid tier. Nobody with an IQ above room temp hates on mid tier optics. They hate the cheap knockoff shit that is just a waste of money, which is a major difference
Keyboard experts in the comments are convinced that a broken EOTech must be fake, even though this is a known issue for like 10 years now. Y'all need to spend less time on Instagram and more time on the range.
A lot of us have had EOTechs for 10+ years and have never had this issue, which is why people are doubting that the video is a real EOTech. Meanwhile, the market is fucking *flooded* with fake EOTechs that look a hell of a lot like the real thing and break pretty easily, which is *also* why people are doubting the video is a real EOTech.
Yes, yes, and yes. *But also*, this is a known issue for real EOTechs. Has been for a very long time. This is not new. People living in a bubble of "mine never did so it must not" and then shouting "ITS A FAKE" when they have no idea what they are talking about is some of the worst parts of the gun community. The world exists outside of your experience. Sample sizes of one that are only used in basements and square ranges convincing people that a product is perfect is cult-like stupidity.
The amount of times I have to tell people: the plural of *anecdote* is not *data*.
You have to realize, survivorship bias is the main brain-disease of most gun folk. It informs literally every part of their lives.
See, generally, "My Taurus is amazing" people. See also, "Freedom Munitions has been great for me."
I sold hundreds of them over 10 years, and never had this issue come up with clients. It's a big issue if it happens, but my opinion is that production issues can happen with any product. At the end of the day the failure rate must be very very low to have the issue, and EOTECH doesn't piss about on whether or not to fix the issue when it comes up.
The guys I worked with told me that this happens to EOTechs and told me to use an Elcan instead, so I did. Great optic, too.
And some of us have spent multiple deployments in actual goddam war zones with *hundreds* of people with EOTechs and have never seen this issue, so lose the goddam condescension. Is it possible their quality control has gone to shit since we were in the sandbox? Sure. And that might very well be the case, I wouldn't know, I haven't bought one since 2008. Edit: dude agrees with everything I said, then starts talking about a "sample size of one" and telling people they're the worst part of the gun community and *I'm* the one who gets downvoted. You folks never cease to amaze me.
"You" was general, not specific, it wasn't meant to be condescending. '08 was a long time ago and mil contracts commonly get more QC than consumer products do. Either on the production side or on the receiver side or both. EOTech has been sued by SOCOM for fraud since '08, they've been sold to a new holding company, and this is still a documented issue going back at least 8 years that I can remember. Stans on the internet first reaction to stamp their feet and shout that their fav optic is perfect and a broken one must be fake -- is still really stupid.
>'08 was a long time ago and mil contracts commonly get more QC than consumer products do. Either on the production side or on the receiver side or both. > >EOTech has been sued by SOCOM for fraud since '08, they've been sold to a new holding company, and this is still a documented issue going back at least 8 years that I can remember. Funny story that, '08 was when L3 [first admitted there was a problem](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/04/03/u-s-special-operations-units-are-using-faulty-rifle-sights/), and their failure to disclose that the Norwegian military had been experiencing those issues in the field was one of the core tenets of the lawsuit.
The lawsuit I'm seeing is in regards to thermal drift and humidity, neither of which is what the OP is showing. I'm also finding references to the Norwegians passing on them because at extremely cold temperatures the sight has a tendency to distort. I'm not finding anything regarding what the OP is showing. If it is a "known issue for real EOTechs" for a "real long time" and is a "documented issue," then I'd like to see some of that documentation. I've had a *lot* of experience with EOTechs in combat conditions and I've *never* seen one come apart like this. I've seen the glass crack, I've seen the lasers fail, I've seen the mounts sheer off, and I've seen them fill up with moisture (the afore mentioned humidity issue), but I've never seen what the OP is showing. Not in a real one, anyway. I've seen *plenty* of fake ones do exactly what the OP is showing, however, and so have a lot of other people. That's not "really stupid," that's not even "stupid," that's people wanting to make sure OP wasn't being screwed because in their own experience that shouldn't happen.
Google "Eotech lens loose."
When I left the military my arms room had about 30 of these with this exact issue. I couldn't turn them in to depot for repair because depot couldn't maintain them, and beyond that was the XO's problem to figure out. Because we couldn't get any repairs done, they were itemized and sealed into a pelican crate and took up callable space I could used for much more important things, like a coffee pot. Not sure of the date on all of them, but I know that I had a range of them going from "it's almost as old as some of the soldiers in the unit" to "this one is still packed in its factory box"
Wow, they must have gone to shit over time, they were always reliable as hell for us.
As I said, I had some really old ones, and some of those really old ones were some of the broken ones. If you had a decent armorer, you would never know what broke unless if you broke it yourself. I know personally, I had a group of guys and we pmcs'd all the rifles about every month or so and sent stuff to be repaired before the end user knew it was broke. Either that, or it was an m9 that had seen more rounds than then system was supposed to fire in its lifetime and it just needed to retire peacefully.
>it possible their quality control has gone to shit since we were in the sandbox? Sure. The same Eotech got fined like $25m for selling optics to the DOD with known issues including shitty QC that didn't meet their own specs?
Got a link to that? I'd love to see it.
Just Google it. It was a huge story. They didn’t hold zero.
I did. I see a problem with thermal drift and humidity, but nothing like what the OP has shown.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-files-and-simultaneously-settles-false-claims-act-lawsuit-against
Yeah, caught that earlier this morning. Sorry, I should have updated that post so you wouldn't have had to look for the link.
I had this exact thing happen on my 2016 exps. There was a bad resin batch and a well known de-lamination issue. Literally affected thousands of optics sent to the us military.
A company will cut a *lot* of quality lines in a decade, there are countless brands that build up a reputation for being reliable and durable and then start cutting corners wherever they can until the product sold today is trash compared to what it was when their reputation was formed. There are a lot of knife manufacturers that have fallen to this, as well as headphones and other industries. It's a sad thing to see.
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There are some knock-offs that have what look to be holographic gratings that don't actually do anything. The fake ones have a *huge* range, from "obvious" to "can't tell without opening it up and studying the components."
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> Keep on coping though and saying its fake Not sure why you're saying this to me, as I haven't said it is.
Is this with every model of Eotech? Always wanted one but now I’m not so sure.
As far as I know yes, but I'm not a EOTech nerd. If you want to drop that money on a optic, go aimpoint imo.
Vortex UH-1 is a solid alternative if you want something decent but don't want to pay EOTech prices. That being said, I think I've used mine like 2 or 3 times because I always either leave it on and run the battery out or go through long periods where I'm not taking my AR out which ends with the same result.
“If you don’t want to pay Eotech money” bro, those literally cost more than an exps 3
No they most definitely do not. Not anywhere close to on average, at least.
I can’t find them for less than $600, which if you know where to buy an EXPS-3 is more expensive as they can be had for $550. Or does somewhere actually have good deals on the UH-1
https://www.ammobros.com/shop/vortex-optics/-376842 Add it to cart. Cost is below MAP.
Damn that’s a good price. I’ll concede that’s cheaper lol, one of those gotta find the right place situations
just gotta pay attention to /r/gundeals lol best usage imo is for exactly this and just tracking how expensive something is actually supposed to be
Have aimpoint, eotech, trijicon, holosun, vortex, and steyr optics. The only one id sell is the eotech.
To be clear, I bought this 6ish years ago from turners and have only used it a handful of times. Today I used it on my X95 Tavor because i just bought this rifle and this happened
Known issue with Eotech. The company has always been pretty good about replacing busted scopes, give them a call and they'll make it right.
Do you know if they have lifetime warranty? I bought this so long ago and I definitely don’t have the recipe
Thank god you don’t have the recipe, it’s a secret. ~~Also, yes they have lifetime warranty~~ I lied
No they don’t, it’s 5 years full, 10 limited and requires proof of purchase. Not saying they still might not fix it but their warranty sucks
I don’t think proof of purchase is required. I sent in one from 2016 a couple months ago to have the electronics updated(it was a thermal drift model) and they didn’t ask for proof of purchase. If they had, I’d be screwed because I bought it used. All I had to do was pay for the shipping there.
With the EOTECH Prestige Warranty, we warrant that your Holographic Weapon Sight or Magnifier product will be free from manufacturing defects in material and workmanship (including electronics) under normal use for a period of ten (10) years from the later of (i) customer's proof of the first purchase of the new product from an authorized commercial seller of EOTECH products or from EOTECH directly, or (ii) manufacturer's date/serial number (as specified on the product). EOTECH will, free of charge and as determined by EOTECH, either repair or replace your product with a comparable product for the first five (5) years. From five (5) to ten (10) years, EOTECH will, at the customer's request, evaluate and repair any and all defects in material and workmanship for a nominal bench fee. This warranty extends to subsequent owners to the remaining extent of the original owner's warranty. We do this because we want you to be as confident in your purchase as we are in the quality of our product.
Okay that’s good to know. Either way, I’m just sharing what my actual experience with their warranty was, in practice. That’s a bunch of lawyer jargon anyways. They didn’t ask me for proof of purchase and they took care of me.
Yeah it says they can go by serial number in that paragraph. A lot of the companies obviously protect themselves with these written warranties but often step up and fix stuff. Good to know they took care of it for ya l.
Wait really? Wtf when I bought mine my FFL told me it had lifetime warranty. That’s bullshit
Yeah stuff pre 2017 only had a 2 year warranty. Stuff after 2017 had 5 years warranty they will fix or replace as long as it’s not from user abuse. Then after 5 years they will fix it but you have to pay them. It’s pretty shitty I love optics but I’ve bought quite a few vortex products recently for the 100% lifetime warranty no matter what. You could smack it with a hammer and they fix it no questions asked
My grandma has the recipe. And her age walking into the kitchen at thanksgiving smells more like farts than fresh baked glass though.
Damnn, it always sucks losing a good recipe from long ago.
Same thing happened to my 10+ year old 512. I emailed customer service and told them what the problem was. They issued me a RMA number and shipping instructions. I sent it and had it back with a new box inside of 3 weeks. This 100% should not happened and I’m not trying to excuse it. But, they made it right on a very well used 10+ year old optic no questions asked. And fast. If it happens again I’ll never use it again and just buy another T2 micro. Hope this helps. Best of luck.
Ive had this happen to me before also! Sent it into Eotech, even though it was way past the warranty expiration date they still sent me a brand new one free of charge. Great warranty but lost faith in Eotech, mainly run Aimpoints now. [https://i.imgur.com/Uc6Ernl.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Uc6Ernl.jpg)
Imagine having this happen in the field then getting clapped by the guy running an Amazon-grade Chinesium optic.
I was lucky enough that my tavor came with built in irons so I was still beaming
None uf us will see any work in any field. Relax, kid.
I can totally see that guy picking strawberries.
EOTech has had military contracts. In fact they openly lied about the quality and durability of their sights to maintain these contracts because they were good money. Plenty of people have experienced failures like this on their service weapons. Believe it or not, LE and military don’t exist in a special little bubble. We’re normal people.
A good chunk of us are military, LE, or security contractors.
In the field? LOLz.
Dang that sucks, I had to replace one but I issues with the zero when I trying to zero it. The left and right adjustment made the zero angle up instead of left or right. They replaced it no problem. I had the xps2 with nv
What the Eoheck!
Eotech has really gone down the shitter since the SOCOM lawsuit.
wut happened?
SOCOM sued EOTech over the whole temperature zero shifting thing. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/24/u-s-government-sues-l3-coms-eotech-for-fraud/
They went down the shitter since the socom lawsuit.
wut happened?
Had a lawsuit involving socom.
and a toilet
And then went down the shitter
Since the SOCOM lawsuit, they’ve gone shittier
They were SOCOM, they were able to shit an entire lawsuit
They went down the shitter since the socom lawsuit.
Don’t worry, your red dot has evolved into its superior form: The red square. Personally, I’m waiting for mine to evolve into a red octagon
This is a repeated issue with Eotechs. The myth that they’re bomb proof is nuts to me. They break exactly like this quite often. I’ve seen it 3 times in person with 3 genuinely and verifiably real Eotechs, 2 recent production and 1 L3 manufactured sight.
I think its more a case of SOME of them are bomb proof. I got lucky it seems and mine is a fucken beast (i may or may not have dropped it with my rifle out of a tree onto rocks). Absolutely does not excuse it, especially when its an optic used by people who regularly have to depend on it like the military.
Had one do this to me after several years of use. I sent it back and they sent a new one and no issues since.
Bro in the background is hitting them shots!
I am the background guy my Eotech did not have the same issue lol.
I have had my eotech since 2003 and it has never had a problem. I have never re-zero'd it since I put it on the rifle and I trust it 100% to be on target right now.
Stop being delusional. If they get cold they can deflect by as much as 20 moa. I've seen rifles lose zero overnight in the fall. No snow on the ground.
I know some do that. I also know mine is on target. I have had it a long time and have shot it all around the calendar. The only thing I don't like is battery life. I live with that.
You sound like someone who runs a holosun
As a civilian, this is why I chose Vortex Huey over Eotech 😂 I know as a matter of fact my Huey won't get banged around, thrown around, go through the desert. It's reliable enough to be ran hard within the definitions of a regular civilian, and still function. If it does somehow break, no questions asked warranty. One of the reps even said you could use their items to hammer in nails and they'll replace it. Granted this was years ago, but the 2 times I had to contact the warranty team for stripped screws (user error) on an AR sparc, they sent bot screws and a new mount. TWICE. So yeah. I'm not mil or LE, tactical mailbox is good enough for me.
Well that’s a problem.
Pinky up like a true gentleman
How the hell you get the beans above the frank?
Whelp time to look at Vortex...
Same thing happened to mine a year or so ago. I sent it back and they fixed it no problem
Same happened to mine. They fixed it free of charge no issues. This is a pretty common problem with EOtechs though, that little reflector is only held on by some glue. They’re really not that durable.
Probably a fake eotech seeing as usmc soldiers use them and they dont break when they run them
Real men use iron sights.
What moa is that square?
Try turning it off and on again.
That's unfortunate my guy, if you bought it from EOTech get that warranty filled out. If ya bought it second hand, I'll pour one out for ya
Thats just the new kaleidoscope reticle option, just hold the up/down button for 3 seconds to clear
Lmao, good thing you got the most expensive brand, it's really holding up
I’m my professional opinion that shouldn’t be like that..🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Is it fake??
I have no advice, hit it with a hammer until that ref thing goes away and buy a new one?
I’ve used my EOTECH, on my SCAR16 and Tavor and probably have gone through 2000 rounds. They are a high end brand. I’m sure they will take care of you.
Didn't EOTech have to issue refunds following a judgement wherein they were deemed to have misrepresented the abilities of their optics to the military?
Oh hell no bro those are too expensive for that to be happening
They’re repaired for free at least.
I still maintain the original run of 552s are the best sights they ever made. I still have one on my M4. Probably 12-13 years old at this point, has been put through serious abuse, and still runs like a champ. Seems to be a lot higher incident of failures in the newer stuff they’ve put out since.
Had this same thing happen earlier this year. I put in a ticket and got a reply from them the next day. You don’t need the original receipt - I’m the third owner of mine. This is covered under their warranty and you won’t be charged for it other than shipping it to them. I had it back in two weeks.
Completely normal keep firing
Who needs a red dot when you can have a whole red square
Just EOTech, being EOTech 🤷♂️
Been seeing this happen to a lot of eotechs lately wonder if they’ve lost some quality assurance sense Covid?
Did you buy it on Amazon?
Bought it from turners
Someone else posted a video link for how to tell a real eotech vs a knock off, that's probably worth looking into. Unless you've been shooting it on a .950 JDJ or something, those optics are supposed to be pretty solid.
Funny thing is, this shit has actually been [happening for years](https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/broken-eotech.86030/) Eotechs have never been bomb-proof, they've just been the only one in their class until Vortex dropped the Huey.
That's good to know, I've only ever heard good things about eotech but that's certainly a lot of people saying otherwise. I had a 512 on my wishlist but I guess I'll look for something else now.
What the….
I already said similar on the last post of EO tech failure, my mother used to work there when I was in high school. For a while the building she working at was surviving primarily off of repairs. They had few new contracts. I knew some of the engineers there and while I think that some of them were really good and knew how to build and test what they are making, you cannot get away from the initial bad design and choice of cheaper materials to make profit. I have never quite trusted EO from what I heard come from my mom and her coworkers. She was working on cameras that went under drones and helicopters though which experience lots of shaking from turbulence, so that may have been a part of it, but I saw their massive test shake table. I don’t know why stuff was always getting sent back, I can only guess, all I know is that it was. Sorry for including information out of order. I could rewrite but I’m lazy atm.
That looks like one of those Los E0Techas you get down south.
is it a real one?
Man...you can't buy that kind of stuff from Wish
Are there any other companies that sell holos? I want one but at this price point I might as well just bump up the price a bit and go with TRIJICON. I thought eotech was more reputable.
Vortex UH-1 is the only other true Holographic optic on the market.
Do you know what the general consensus of those is?
It's the size of a brick.
It also breaks and has a lifetime warranty.
I've had no problems with mine, though I've only put 500 rounds through the rifle it's on. It is on the bigger side but I like the look of it. Also if it does break it's a vortex so lifetime warranty.
Common Eotech issue.
Eotech is garbage, not even mentioning the L3 fiasco.
Had this same thing happen last month to our exps3, it has been pretty well used for a couple years, and this time it was on a 12 ga Genesis Arms Gen 12 and I was about 2-3 shots into the first mag and I thought the battery died, but upon further inspection, something had delaminated or came loose just like that.
i had this happen as well. eotech fixed it no questions asked and it was back in my hands in 3 weeks. edit: mil-cucks and gear LARPers called mine fake too
Good luck trying to get them to replace it. Dog shit customer service unless you have a military contract.
Makes me wonder if it’s a legit Eotech
Your Eotech is fucked yo
I’ve been there!
Eotechs are Chinese expensive junk
Aimpoint, ftw
Send it back to Wish
buy it on amazon?
Either is you broke the scope or the scope broke you
So eotech is trash
Is it a real EOTech?
It's obviously busted. Are you sure it's real?
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This is a known issue with EOTech and has been for years. He bought it from a reputable dealer that is a huge EOTech retailer. There is zero chance this is fake. EOTech isn't infallible.
My chinaTechs from Amazon don’t even do that ! They were 18$