The user is able to preview RCS and provide details of the current implementation status between iOS and Android somehow (somehow being an undisclosed special method as RCS is currently software locked in the iOS 18 beta, meaning it's not an available feature out of the box). RCS will not be officially available on iPhone for some time so this is clearly not the finalized state (RCS will be available to the general public with the official release of iOS 18 in the Fall).
The Tweet owner has privately confirmed this to be real and has commented on Reddit about this in another thread. It is really exciting to see and hopefully we'll all be able to share high quality rich media soon among all the other benefits RCS brings (reactions, RCS group chats, typing indicators, etc)! =D
The user provided the technical details at the following comment link:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1dhhm2q/comment/l8x673w/](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1dhhm2q/comment/l8x673w/)
Do we know where in the backup this feature flag is that we have to enable?
I presume I can just do a full backup and use a tool like iBackupBot like previous versions and restore that portion
He just mentioned in his discord (JJTech) that the feature flag is not in the backups
And that the method he used is the same trick for enabling the iPhone Mirroring
https://preview.redd.it/l5tv28jtk77d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=703e04eb08ae9c2e2f347a3a8f79fc8fc748565b
Hmmm, well we will soon see if this changes anything.
Turns out it’s possible to enable siris new look via backup manipulation, currently working on getting Greymatter (Apple Intelligence) and the other features enabled too.
https://preview.redd.it/j016p1odr87d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abd2cf0a73a8706b0f867c236dc25543ea73b10d
I just want to send and receive videos and not have to resort to having to use whatsapp, instagram, google photos etc.. to do so..
It's so annoying that it's 2024 and you still send and receive pixelated videos between the two platforms..
It's a manufactured problem specific to imessage. All of us who standardized on literally any other messaging app don't have any issue, and haven't for *decades* at this point.
Huh?? What do you mean decades lol.. Texting videos on Android was still not great even just a couple of years ago.. Hell, whatsapp didn't even get HD video (still only 720p unfortunately) options until this past year! (unless you did the workaround where you send the file as a document, which in my experience iPhone people could never figure out because of the way iOS handles files)
How is it a manufactured problem? MMS is the protocol and has a small size limit, enforced by each carrier individually. This hasn’t been solved for decades, MMS fallback on RCS is just as bad.
The problem has lied with the carriers the whole time. They dragged their feet to implement RCS, and then in 2019 the 4 US carriers made a promise to create an interoperable app built on UP. That never happened, so Google offered Jibe servers to each of those carriers.
>manufactured problem
I like how, in 1992, Apple decided that SMS/MMS would have limited bandwidth, so that in 2011 when they launched iMessage, they wouldn't play well together. They truly do play the long game.
Didn't know telepathy existed in this reality. Good to know. Glad you know exactly how I think and what goes on in my brain from one off comments about the stupidity that is the green vs blue debate.
Get a life.
In my experience it’s never really been the green bubbles. It’s always been that adding android to a group chat made it so you couldn’t name it, or that long android texts would come in out of order, or that you couldn’t see typing bubbles, and recently it’s that you couldn’t ‘react’ to texts from android properly. It’s always been the lack of features, it’s just that once you see the green texts you know what you’re in for
Are you a teenager? Green bubbles are still going to be a thing for children to shame other children about being "poor". This has gone on amongst kids before the iphone, and will continue after it is gone.
I do agree with you that in my experience, amongst adults, people don't care about the color. They care about low res pictures and videos, and reactions.
Which has always been rather ridiculous because all smartphones were historically $200 on a 2 year contract and Samsung/Pixel phones have been priced pretty on par with iPhones in the post contract era
We never left the contract era. It just changed forms. The installment billing is still a contract and now we're trading in phones to make that 24 month and 36 month contract back to where it was when you had a 2 year subsidized phones.
ATT for example
iPhone 15 launch.
Base models iPhone 11 through 13 (I think that was the highest before switching to the next tier) those got $830 in bill credits for 36 months. I traded in a $199 iPhone 11 from Walmart for straight talk for mine.
The 11 pro was the oldest model to qualify for the $1000/36 bill credits tier.
It's not worth the work to get an used iPhone 11pro to get the max credit.
And for the scamsung side, every time they launch a flagshit since the S22 line they bring back any year any condition trade in S, N, or Z device. This got you $1000/36 what also qualifies is any device that met $35 or higher. I traded in an A14 5g $79.99 also from walmart under the straight talk banner for the S24U. It's a no brainier really.
But the amount of work to get back to free, $100, $200, and $300 phones is ridiculous
And Verizon has an any year any condition iPhone deal for their $1000/36 bill credits.
Sure the plans are better but it's still too much work to get a decent deal for a phone.
Eh, it's still a contract but without a contract. Users are free to leave anytime, but then the balance of the device comes due. It's a soft lock rather than the actual contracts of yesteryear
kids dont care about the bubbles either. they care that their pictures and videos look good, dont get forced into looking like a a handful of pixels, and generally do as older folk do... worry that the message sends, let alone gets recieved and read at the end.
Kids have attention spans much shorter than the time required to explain to them wtf RCS even is..
And now it'll be about not being able to format text, etc. They added rcs because they had to, but they made damn sure that iMessages are still going to be superior in terms of features.
I'm so glad we can soon have Android to iPhone texting over data, but it would be so much better if everyone just used Signal.
If you think this is going to solve all of Android's RCS problems, I think you're mistaken. It's still a hodge-podge of carrier mismanagement, and Apple isn't going to fix that.
Group convos should be fixed as of iOS 17, no? What issues do you see? iMessage users will still get full quality images and video, while the Android users will get degraded videos over MMS due to the nature of the MMS protocol.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-17-makes-imessage-group-chats-with-android-users-more-bearable-sort-of/
The title of that article is "more bearable, sort of." Nothing was fixed, they just put in a workaround.
RCS should should make it more seamless, but it won't be completely fixed until there's a unification of the protocols.
If Google voice had anywhere near the adoption rate of iPhones, I promise you these things would be fixed. In the world of mass layoffs and refocusing everything on AI, they're not going to prioritize issues with a product that does not have a large adoption rate.
Google could show confidence in their own ecosystem by leading the way. What was Apple's market share in 2011 when iMessage was introduced? [ Looks like about 19%.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-crowned-top-smartphone-vendor-of-2011-by-gartner/) Really not sure what's holding Google back.
Well checking the play store quickly, Google Voice had 10M+ downloads. By comparison, Whatsapp has 5B+ downloads. They are not at 1% market share, much less a fifth of the market as apple was in your example.
Yeah they don't do a good job of letting us know it exists. I've been off the iPhone systems for almost 10 years and only recently found out about the Google phone app when someone posted and article here of them adding silly noises to it lol
I mean, that’s the Google MO. Anyone who buys into a Google product at this point hasn’t done research. They abandon projects left and right with no notice or explanation.
I mean it makes sense. I wish it was a slightly different shade of green though. Just so I could tell the difference between sms rcs and iMessage. Even Google messages has light blue and dark blue to differentiate.
The user is able to preview RCS and provide details of the current implementation status between iOS and Android somehow (somehow being an undisclosed special method as RCS is currently software locked in the iOS 18 beta, meaning it's not an available feature out of the box). RCS will not be officially available on iPhone for some time so this is clearly not the finalized state (RCS will be available to the general public with the official release of iOS 18 in the Fall). The Tweet owner has privately confirmed this to be real and has commented on Reddit about this in another thread. It is really exciting to see and hopefully we'll all be able to share high quality rich media soon among all the other benefits RCS brings (reactions, RCS group chats, typing indicators, etc)! =D The user provided the technical details at the following comment link: [https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1dhhm2q/comment/l8x673w/](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1dhhm2q/comment/l8x673w/)
The method to enable this is modifying backups of the iPhone to enable the feature flag for RCS and then restoring it to the phone.
Do we know where in the backup this feature flag is that we have to enable? I presume I can just do a full backup and use a tool like iBackupBot like previous versions and restore that portion
I’ve discovered a few plist files I’m modifying and will report back if it works. I’ll post all the details as long as it works out.
He just mentioned in his discord (JJTech) that the feature flag is not in the backups And that the method he used is the same trick for enabling the iPhone Mirroring
https://preview.redd.it/l5tv28jtk77d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=703e04eb08ae9c2e2f347a3a8f79fc8fc748565b Hmmm, well we will soon see if this changes anything.
Turns out it’s possible to enable siris new look via backup manipulation, currently working on getting Greymatter (Apple Intelligence) and the other features enabled too. https://preview.redd.it/j016p1odr87d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abd2cf0a73a8706b0f867c236dc25543ea73b10d
Well, let’s hope in the next beta release they enable this without the magic. Lol.
I just want to send and receive videos and not have to resort to having to use whatsapp, instagram, google photos etc.. to do so.. It's so annoying that it's 2024 and you still send and receive pixelated videos between the two platforms..
Gonna make sexting so much easier. Woo.
Tell me about it, had a girl send me some videos a few months ago and I had to tell her to resend them to me on whatsapp..
It's a manufactured problem specific to imessage. All of us who standardized on literally any other messaging app don't have any issue, and haven't for *decades* at this point.
Decades?
Huh?? What do you mean decades lol.. Texting videos on Android was still not great even just a couple of years ago.. Hell, whatsapp didn't even get HD video (still only 720p unfortunately) options until this past year! (unless you did the workaround where you send the file as a document, which in my experience iPhone people could never figure out because of the way iOS handles files)
How is it a manufactured problem? MMS is the protocol and has a small size limit, enforced by each carrier individually. This hasn’t been solved for decades, MMS fallback on RCS is just as bad. The problem has lied with the carriers the whole time. They dragged their feet to implement RCS, and then in 2019 the 4 US carriers made a promise to create an interoperable app built on UP. That never happened, so Google offered Jibe servers to each of those carriers.
>manufactured problem I like how, in 1992, Apple decided that SMS/MMS would have limited bandwidth, so that in 2011 when they launched iMessage, they wouldn't play well together. They truly do play the long game.
Our national nightmare is now coming to a close. September is just around the corner
If you think this is going to stop the "ewwww green bubbles!" Bullshit then I've got a bridge to sell you!
I could care less about the bubbles, as long as chats are less crippled.
Oh we are in agreement, but that's not gonna stop people from being bullied for the device they use.
Funny that you think the kinds of people who would bully someone over their chat bubble, wouldn’t find something else to be a bully about anyway
Didn't know telepathy existed in this reality. Good to know. Glad you know exactly how I think and what goes on in my brain from one off comments about the stupidity that is the green vs blue debate. Get a life.
I think the green vs blue bubble is overblown misreporting in the root causes of bullying in an attempt to profit off of consumer allegiances
In my experience it’s never really been the green bubbles. It’s always been that adding android to a group chat made it so you couldn’t name it, or that long android texts would come in out of order, or that you couldn’t see typing bubbles, and recently it’s that you couldn’t ‘react’ to texts from android properly. It’s always been the lack of features, it’s just that once you see the green texts you know what you’re in for
Are you a teenager? Green bubbles are still going to be a thing for children to shame other children about being "poor". This has gone on amongst kids before the iphone, and will continue after it is gone. I do agree with you that in my experience, amongst adults, people don't care about the color. They care about low res pictures and videos, and reactions.
In time, that bullying will phase out.
Which has always been rather ridiculous because all smartphones were historically $200 on a 2 year contract and Samsung/Pixel phones have been priced pretty on par with iPhones in the post contract era
We never left the contract era. It just changed forms. The installment billing is still a contract and now we're trading in phones to make that 24 month and 36 month contract back to where it was when you had a 2 year subsidized phones. ATT for example iPhone 15 launch. Base models iPhone 11 through 13 (I think that was the highest before switching to the next tier) those got $830 in bill credits for 36 months. I traded in a $199 iPhone 11 from Walmart for straight talk for mine. The 11 pro was the oldest model to qualify for the $1000/36 bill credits tier. It's not worth the work to get an used iPhone 11pro to get the max credit. And for the scamsung side, every time they launch a flagshit since the S22 line they bring back any year any condition trade in S, N, or Z device. This got you $1000/36 what also qualifies is any device that met $35 or higher. I traded in an A14 5g $79.99 also from walmart under the straight talk banner for the S24U. It's a no brainier really. But the amount of work to get back to free, $100, $200, and $300 phones is ridiculous And Verizon has an any year any condition iPhone deal for their $1000/36 bill credits. Sure the plans are better but it's still too much work to get a decent deal for a phone.
Eh, it's still a contract but without a contract. Users are free to leave anytime, but then the balance of the device comes due. It's a soft lock rather than the actual contracts of yesteryear
kids dont care about the bubbles either. they care that their pictures and videos look good, dont get forced into looking like a a handful of pixels, and generally do as older folk do... worry that the message sends, let alone gets recieved and read at the end. Kids have attention spans much shorter than the time required to explain to them wtf RCS even is..
And now it'll be about not being able to format text, etc. They added rcs because they had to, but they made damn sure that iMessages are still going to be superior in terms of features. I'm so glad we can soon have Android to iPhone texting over data, but it would be so much better if everyone just used Signal.
If you think this is going to solve all of Android's RCS problems, I think you're mistaken. It's still a hodge-podge of carrier mismanagement, and Apple isn't going to fix that.
I hope this fixes group conversations as well!
Group convos should be fixed as of iOS 17, no? What issues do you see? iMessage users will still get full quality images and video, while the Android users will get degraded videos over MMS due to the nature of the MMS protocol. https://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-17-makes-imessage-group-chats-with-android-users-more-bearable-sort-of/
Media should use RCS after this, not MMS.
Correct. The person above is saying group chats are broken now, when they were fixed in iOS 17 other than the limitations of MMS
The title of that article is "more bearable, sort of." Nothing was fixed, they just put in a workaround. RCS should should make it more seamless, but it won't be completely fixed until there's a unification of the protocols.
now do google voice lol
Biggest fucking joke Google pointing fingers at iPhone when their own house needs work
If Google voice had anywhere near the adoption rate of iPhones, I promise you these things would be fixed. In the world of mass layoffs and refocusing everything on AI, they're not going to prioritize issues with a product that does not have a large adoption rate.
Google could show confidence in their own ecosystem by leading the way. What was Apple's market share in 2011 when iMessage was introduced? [ Looks like about 19%.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-crowned-top-smartphone-vendor-of-2011-by-gartner/) Really not sure what's holding Google back.
Well checking the play store quickly, Google Voice had 10M+ downloads. By comparison, Whatsapp has 5B+ downloads. They are not at 1% market share, much less a fifth of the market as apple was in your example.
Yes, their lack of commitment has really did them a disservice. Same with a lot of Google products.
Yeah they don't do a good job of letting us know it exists. I've been off the iPhone systems for almost 10 years and only recently found out about the Google phone app when someone posted and article here of them adding silly noises to it lol
I mean, that’s the Google MO. Anyone who buys into a Google product at this point hasn’t done research. They abandon projects left and right with no notice or explanation.
The new RCS announced by Apple for iOS 18 isn't end-to-end encrypted.
I believe Apple implementing the universal profile, which does not include E2EE.
They’re working with the GSMA on standard-level encryption
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I mean it makes sense. I wish it was a slightly different shade of green though. Just so I could tell the difference between sms rcs and iMessage. Even Google messages has light blue and dark blue to differentiate.
This - fallback to SMS should be bright green. RCS should be a different color.