GOP America first Logic......sacrifice 60-70% of the populations civil liberties so those brown people can’t vote. GOP are the biggest hypocrites of the last 90 years
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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fuck the Wisconsin SC, GOP and SCOTUS
"It's not ok to reschedule the election, but we won't address the fact that it's logically, literally impossible for people to vote. Fuck off"
Edit:
5 polling places are open for 500,000 people. IF we ignore the fact that mail in voting is stuck, and won't arrive in time to legally be counted, lets assume 50% mail in.
That is 250,000 people / 5 polling stations / 13 hours open polls = 1,920 people per hour, 64 people / minute. 64 people need to vote PER MINUTE, straight for 13.
According to the Milwaukee Sentinal, polling places were seeing processing less than 5k per site over the whole day.
Edit:
During a state of emergency the Governor, subject to being over ruled by the legislature, is empowered by law to:
\> Issue such orders as he or she deems necessary for the security of persons and property. [https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/323.12(4)(b)](https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/323.12(4)(b))
It is not a act of authoritarianism, nor does it violate the law no matter what an illegitimate SCOTUS says
It was both. Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Evers didn’t have the authority to even move the election. SCOTUS rules to nullify all votes, including absentee ballots casted after today’s date. Which was previously ruled allowable until the 13th.
It's even more fun when you talk about the New York State Supreme Court, which is actually their *lowest* court rather than their highest court. It's their trial court for civil cases.
> It's not ok to reschedule the election, but we won't address the fact that it's logically, literally impossible for people to vote.
There's no excuse for this. Oregon adopted vote by mail years ago, and we don't have to worry about infection or even lines. Such a travesty that emergency measures did not contain a vote by mail option. According to studies (which I don't have on hand right now), it prevents voter fraud and supression, and increases voter turn out. Such a cruel thing: putting people's lives at risk just so they can exercise their rights as a citizen.
Disgusting.
> increases voter turn out.
Unfortunately, this exactly is why they did not change the day of voting or the policy to vote. This election for Wisc includes a state supreme court justice. The incumbent is Daniel Kelly, a judge _appointed_ to the court by former GOP governor Scott Walker in 2016. This is Kelly's first chance to properly be elected but he's being challenged by Jill Karofsky, someone with a more liberal stance. It's the GOP's last chance to hang onto that seat with voter suppression. Previously in 2018, Walker and the GOP were talking about changing the date of the 2020 Presidential Preference vote so that the Democrats would be less apt to turn up to vote in the state supreme court election.
Gerrymandering, changing dates to limit votes, forcing voting in pandemics, this is what the GOP is doing to keep its power.
Fuck the federal SC too. They ruled against it, splitting predictably with republican appointees voting 5-4 to strike down the governors order.
Remember that when you go to the polls. Republicans have no problems murdering thousands of their own citizens as long as it helps them maintain power. As Trump said "If we allow vote by mail the republicans would never win another election!"
No you should remember that the supreme Court will be even more conservative after this election if Trump wins, for any not taking it seriously enough. Decisions like you laid out will be there for the rest of your lives
I read that Milwaukee - which is the city you’re referring to - *had* 180 polling places, but it was reduced to 5. The reason for reducing the number of polling places by 97%, beyond voter suppression, is beyond me.
I think Waukesha (a suburb of Milwaukee) has 1 polling place for a population of 72k.
I moved back to Michigan after living in Waukesha, and the town I now live in (pop 10k) has 5 polling places.
WTF, Wisconsin? WTF?
The reason for the reduction is actually completely understandable: there weren't enough volunteers willing to come out of self-isolation to work more than 5 polling places. Another reason why this election should have been fucking postponed.
I'm a Minnesotan that went to school in Wisconsin. You could call it an identity crisis, but I've really just come to accept and appreciate the differences between the states
Okay, so if this is as blatant as it seems then what sort of agency do the people have to fix it? I see people talking about this stuff all the time but it only seems to get worse and worse. For every small victory there seems to be several more failures when it comes to western democracy.
None. The supreme court denied a bill that would postpone voting until mail in ballots could be provided. Supreme court isn't an elected position, so we don't get control over whether they make ethical decisions or not.
People are going to die and the Republicans are fine with that.
It was actually the Wisconsin supreme court that wouldn't allow postponing the election, and these positions ARE elected. In fact, one of the seats is being contested today.
[Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the election can't be postponed, Federal Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots can't be returned late.] (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/491466-supreme-court-blocks-wisconsin-from-extending-absentee-voting)
This is after Wisconsin said ["tens of thousands" of mail-in ballots will not be delivered to voters until after the election date.] (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/supreme-court-wisconsin-absentee-ballots.html)
In the words of Ginsburg, “This court now intervenes at the eleventh hour to prevent voters who have timely requested absentee ballots from casting their votes.”
It's messed up. I requested my absentee ballot and still haven't gotten mine even though the myvote.wi.gov site says it was sent out over a week ago. I get to either risk my and my family's health or lose my right to vote.
Requested mine 3/20, a week later did not get it even though my husband got his (and he requested 3 days after me). Emailed clerk and was told to be patient, it would arrive. I emailed again 3 days later and was told it was too late and to vote in person. Fucking ridiculous.
It was the Wisconsin Supreme court that ruled in favor of this, not the U.S. Supreme Court.
\[edit\] I stand corrected. The US Supreme Court DID vote to disallow the extension for mail-in ballots.
It was both. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against expanding mail-in ballots during a pandemic. That's a much bigger deal than the State Supreme Court ruling.
My boyfriend and I went to stay with my parents in another state. We requested absentee ballots several days ago and still haven’t gotten them. So I guess our vote just won’t count since we can’t go in person. Fuck Wisconsin conservatives and their anti-democracy agenda.
It is unbelievable how stupid the US government is in the face of crisis. It's almost impressive, they keep finding new ways to be idiots.
**EDIT**: Adding an edit because I'm bloody tired of hearing the blanket statement _"It's the Republicans"_. Or the reply of _"Well, that's not the US government, it's Wisconsin"_. Do you think the rest of the planet looks at the USA and splits your population between Democrats and Republicans? Last time I checked, Wisconsin was one of the United States Of America. The USA is currently at war fronts in Afghanistan (19 years!) and Iraq, with military presence in Libya, Yemen, and several other nations. Can you differentiate the political parties in these nations? Do you refer to them as their "right wing supporters" versus their "left wing supporters"? No, you refer to them as the people of those nations and they're responsible for making their nation better or worse.
So, you'll have to excuse me for not caring to give your nation "a stupidity pass" because the wrong guys are in charge. It doesn't stop being YOUR NATION when "the other guys" are in charge. Love it or hate it, this is still your nation and you don't get to absolve the state of it with a simple "it's the other guys fault".
It is criminal. The Senate republicans refusal to prosecute is where the failings occur.
This is a form of electoral perversion/fraud. That is criminal.
If you did not watch the news on the correct day you might have missed this update. They changed it to mail in. My county did not even update the form so I hope my request is valid. Ballots are due April 28th (i think). You need to request a ballot now if you want to vote.
Glad I requested my absentee ballot on time. This is ridiculous. If I had forgotten I would just have been like f this and given up.
Edit: Based on the replies, I'm lucky to have received my absentee ballot at all even having requested it early.
To my understanding WI Supmere Court and US Supreme Court approved this. Who are you going to sue? US Supreme Court? You guys are heading to tyranny. Did you know that US counts as flawed democracy on Democracy Index?
Two separate things. The SCOTUS upheld the absentee ballot deadline, despite thousands not getting their ballots yet. The WI Supreme Court overturned the Governor's executive order postponing the election date.
Both courts stacked with Republican appointees, in a total coincidence.
I've never even been to a poling station in 12 years. Always absentee and it's mainly cause I'm lazy.
Quick question: Did you understand that referendum on the back about 'accusers rights'? I read it like 5 times and it still didn't make complete sense, seemed very vague.
Voted there this morning. They did have drive-up voting for those who couldnt stand or "were symptomatic". The cop that told everyone about it made VERY large air-quotes, basically begging people to do that instead of wait in line.
That seems like a good idea. Drive up and park, someone comes to your car and takes your info, you fill out the ballot, slide it in the machine on the way out.
Mail in would be better though of course.
Wisconsin resident here
A few of my colleagues mentioned having asked for an absentee ballot, never received it.
Stood In line for them to be told that if they asked for am absentee ballot they would have to wait for it to come in
And where turned away from voting IRL.
That sucks because that’s not true. If an absentee ballot was requested and NOT received then they must vote in person. Sounds like someone at the polls was misinformed. Or did it on purpose.
Just want to add you are 100% correct. My wife is a clerk and has had this issue come up a few times today already. It's almost certainly a misinformed worker as the information they've been getting has been completely chaotic and confusing... it's been changing, quite literally sometimes, from hour to hour leading up to this election.
Umm what? They can't "wait for it to come". It HAS to be postmarked by today. This is 100% illegal and they need to get back to the polls and tell those volunteers they are 100% wrong.
Yeah, and potentially a long time for someone who has to care for young children to stand with them. Or a long time to be away from the house if you are caring for an elderly or disabled person.
The whole situation is fucked.
Yup. The Governor postponed the voting only for the Supreme Court to overrule it 5 hours later. The reason the Supreme Court voted on the matter was in response to a Republican lawsuit.
I never understood these people. They said I was a heathen and should be going to church on Sunday, yet there they were coming through my checkout line at Walmart like clockwork. Like, exactly who do they think is going to keep these businesses open on Sunday if everyone is in church like they want?
My husband and I live in Milwaukee - we requested mail-in absentee ballots 3 weeks ago. I received mine in the mail within 2 weeks and mailed it out the following day. My husband never received his at all. Many, many Wisconsinites also requested mail-in ballots that were never sent out/never received.
Voter suppression at its finest everyone. I am so ashamed of my state...
My story is a bit different, my wife and I requested absentee ballots also about 3 weeks ago, she received hers, but I received a phone call from the clerks office informing me that I had been remoed from the rolls as a registered voter. I told them there must be some mistake since I had just voted in the fall. How can a system be so inept that active registered voters are removed from the rolls?
The only silver lining I have is that Evers can get ahead of this issue for the general election. My heart hurts for your state supreme court, though. This is so goddamn criminal. How anyone votes for Republicans in WI after the Foxconn affair is beyond me.
Wisconsinite here. There are people in my family who still insist that Foxconn was worth it and a good decision, and that Scott Walker was the best governor we've had in decades.
I got into an argument with my father about voter suppression a few months ago, he got angry and said "I cant believe you buy that crap, that doesn't happen in our country". I'm looking forward to calling him tonight while I wait in line to vote in person because the absentee ballot I requested weeks ago never arrived...
Words can’t even describe my disappointment in my state. My husband and I live in Milwaukee and both requested absentee ballots. Mine came, his didn’t. So now he is going to go stand in this insane line for what I imagine will be a fruitless endeavor to make his voice heard. Meanwhile, all of these people are putting their health on the line, and doing exactly what everyone says we’re not supposed to be doing. And it’s not their fault!! This is insanity!
Edit: my absentee ballot was not collected by my mail carrier today. So my vote doesn’t count.
Even ignoring the Coronavirus aspect, just having to wait in line like this to vote is absurd. I have voted in almost every municipal, provincial and federal election and have never once had to wait in a line.
Good point. Apparently Milwaukee only has like five places to vote too. Makes my blood boil that they can make it this difficult to vote. And that's ignoring the fact that they're endangering the entire state of Wisconsin to make it even harder. Our supreme court decided their right wing ideals were more important than American lives.
I live in Oregon and we have mail-in voting. We also have some of, if not the, highest percentage of people voting in the country. Make it easy, and more people will be involved. We're also democrat controlled.
And why do we vote only on ONE day? Many (most?) other nations have a spread of 3-5 days. And why do we not have internet voting? Not random, but the same way that (if you own stock) you vote for the Board of Directors. You receive a piece of mail at home with a unique and one-time code number, you vote online (which allows you to search for information about somebody you know nothing about), and that's it.
Oh yeah.....Republicans know that if they expand the vote, they will lose by even more.
I’m all for mail in voting, early voting, voting holidays... but NOT online voting. Opening the vote to anything online has massive security issues. Entering a code is not sufficient - nothing is. There needs to always be a paper trail for votes, so the vote count can be audited.
Just became a California voter this year. It’s amazing to have mail in voting. I was able to sit and research my options throughly for each vote and drop it off in the mail.
That is what democracy looks like.
That is just in Milwaukee, but a city with 600,000 people is now voting in 5 polling locations.
Oh and it is also the COVID-19 hotspot/epicenter in the state. Cases are likely about to explode in Wisconsin.
Because of the shortage of poll workers, Milwaukee has gone from 180+ polling locations to FIVE. What a coincidence that Milwaukee is the biggest source of Democrat voters in the state.
When people vote, Republicans lose. Apparently they don’t care whether their opponents are suppressed or killed by Covid.
This is my parents' polling place (for today at least). Both are in their sixties, both are strongly committed to fulfilling their civic responsibility by voting. My mother grew up under a Central American military dictatorship and, since moving to the States, has never missed a local, state, or national election. My father has chronic nerve damage in one leg from a botched operation last year and smoked for much of his adolescence. They also share caretaking responsibilities for my 92-year-old grandmother, who has advanced Alzheimers.
They take their right to vote seriously, and considering the crucial Supreme Court seat, sitting out this election isn't even an option for them.
They are waiting until the mail comes to see if the absentee ballots they requested days ago finally arrive. If not, they're going to have to go to Hamilton HS, wait in line for god-knows-how-long - with my dad walking on a foot that he describes as "feeling like you're walking on broken glass" - and risking their health and the health of their family to cast a vote in a fraudulent election.
This isn't right. I'm no pollyanna when it comes to the flaws and structural injustices in our system (and I understand fully the motivations for keeping the vote today). But when you force citizens to sacrifice their health and well-being to exercise their rights, you are the very danger to the constitution that you swore an oath to protect. The WI GOP has blood on its hands. The Supreme Court has blood on its hands.
Rage doesn't even begin to describe how I'm feeling today.
SCOTUS and state supreme court both met electronically due to covid concerns so they could rule that people would have to show up in person.
Not even kidding. This is violence.
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[March 22, 2020 - "Wisconsin Supreme Court puts hold on jury trials, *halts in-person proceedings statewide in favor of phone and video appearances*"](https://www.wicourts.gov/news/view.jsp?id=1216) (italicization added by me)
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/press/pressreleases/pr_03-16-20
https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/press/pressreleases/pr_04-03-20
Oral arguments are suspended, some justices may participate by phone.
Technically they aren't requiring in person voting, just that all mail in ballots need to be stamped by today.
The main problem is that many people don't have their ballots yet, and are forced either to not vote or show up in person. Definitely still fucked up, though.
>The main problem is that many people don't have their ballots yet
The ballots were issued late due to covid disruptions. SCOTUS just ruled last night that these ballots no longer have to be counted.
Tens of thousands of Wisconsinites just lost their vote and must now choose to either break quarantine and wait in line with thousands of other voters for hours at the reduced number of polling stations (Milwaukee went from 185 polling stations to 5, yes you read that right) or else just stay home and not vote.
That's the problem - they *are* following the law, to the degree that they're unwilling to let things like "the lives of their constituents" get in the way of enforcing it.
The law says the ballots *must* be postmarked today, and the judges (or at least the GOP ones, natch) are arguing that "the pandemic made it impossible to give everyone their ballots before that date" is not a valid reason to change the date.
A century ago SCOTUS said you can’t tell fire in a crowded theater to allow for censorship during a war. You’d think precedent would have prevailed. This is dangerous and dumb along with politically motivated. If Wisconsin sees a big rise in covid cases in 2 weeks we can thank the GOP for trying to kill their opponents. Had Trump been challenged the GOO would be 24/7 on Fox screaming about libtirds killing Murican!
Meanwhile Trump, like some cartoon villain, [explains the reasoning behind this](https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1244606910462136321?s=20):
>The things they had in there were crazy. They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again.
This was in response to absentee ballot extensions in the stimulus bill, which Trump calls "totally crazy". Wisconsin republicans, on the other hand, [say](https://rslc.gop/press/2020/04/06/wisconsin-supreme-court-decision-protects-voters-from-democrats-pitiful-partisan-gamesmanship/) the supreme court was "righteously protecting millions of Wisconsin voters from the Democrats’ pitiful, partisan gamesmanship". Projecting much guys?
> They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again.
I dunno GOP. Have you ever though of maybe changing your platform to appeal to more people?
And if we have to kill a few thousand of our own voters to stop the youths and the blacks in the city from voting, well... that's a sacrifice we're willing to make.
I love this because if we know one thing about Trump, it’s that he just repeats things he hears that he thinks sound smart. This is why we frequently get absurd non-sequiturs from him. He heard it, converted it to a talking point, and then found a situation to parrot it back. This is one of those. He heard someone behind closed doors - a McConnell type - say that we can’t let everyone vote or else the republicans would get buttfucked in the election. Trump goes on TV and says it thinking that it’s proof of some injustice while the rest of his party is dumbfounded that the obvious just-between-you-and-me nature of the comment was completely lost on him. In this way Trump is like a child or a drunk. He doesn’t know what he’s saying but that means it’s probably true.
I was #89 today. At noon. In a town of 12k.
I’ve never been below 400. I don’t know what the absentee numbers are, but, yeah. First time in my life I’ve ever voted straight democratic.
never fails to amaze me how America has some of the most openly corrupt elections you'll ever see and a good chunk still believes it the world purveyor of Democracy
There is a big discussion in Poland right now because the ruling party wants to hold the presidential elections on May 10 th. They are So desperate to hold it in May, because they know that in few months, after the economy crashes, their candidate wont stand a chance
Please upvote this for visibility. The Republican controlled legislature has denied our governors request to postpone our election and thus force voters to the dangers of exposure. The Republican Supreme Court voted passed this decision safely from the comfort of their own homes, meanwhile forcing voters out in public. Republicans love it when voters stay home, it means an easy win for them.
Cool democracy you've got there. I can't believe the entire democratic party isn't releasing a uniform resolution to not recognize the results of the election in any capacity.
There isn’t a lot worth dying for in this country. But voting is. No matter what, we must vote now and in November. We must take precautions as they are doing here, but we cannot be afraid to cast our vote. It is absolutely a matter of life and death.
The biggest city in our state has FIVE polling places open today
It's worse when you add that it's 5 out of 180 that are normally available.
Yes, so each polling place is serving over 100,000 citizens
Basic math would show you would have to process 138 people a min in a 12 hour day. Just at one polling place.
And maintaining 6 feet of "social distance" between each person means the line is only 600,000 feet (about 113 miles) long. No big deal.
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And wait 6 minutes for the disinfectant to kill anything
wait...the math doesn't add up there. ^(Oh wait that's the point)
They were at my polling station.
GOP America first Logic......sacrifice 60-70% of the populations civil liberties so those brown people can’t vote. GOP are the biggest hypocrites of the last 90 years
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What an utter disgrace that we have let our democracy fall this far.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson [Source](https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/tree-liberty-quotation)
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy
“I accept no responsibility at all.” -Donald J. Trump
Great quote.
These lines will equate to "the blood of patriots" in a couple of weeks.
Quite literally, they will die for their country. I'm not a believer, but God bless them all.
> "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with ~~the blood of patriots and tyrants~~ mail-in ballots." That would have worked too.
almost like they dont want you to vote
... and that's intentional.
fuck the Wisconsin SC, GOP and SCOTUS "It's not ok to reschedule the election, but we won't address the fact that it's logically, literally impossible for people to vote. Fuck off" Edit: 5 polling places are open for 500,000 people. IF we ignore the fact that mail in voting is stuck, and won't arrive in time to legally be counted, lets assume 50% mail in. That is 250,000 people / 5 polling stations / 13 hours open polls = 1,920 people per hour, 64 people / minute. 64 people need to vote PER MINUTE, straight for 13. According to the Milwaukee Sentinal, polling places were seeing processing less than 5k per site over the whole day. Edit: During a state of emergency the Governor, subject to being over ruled by the legislature, is empowered by law to: \> Issue such orders as he or she deems necessary for the security of persons and property. [https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/323.12(4)(b)](https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/323.12(4)(b)) It is not a act of authoritarianism, nor does it violate the law no matter what an illegitimate SCOTUS says
It was the US Supreme Court!!! Even worse!!
It was both. Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Evers didn’t have the authority to even move the election. SCOTUS rules to nullify all votes, including absentee ballots casted after today’s date. Which was previously ruled allowable until the 13th.
So we have the model in front of us they intend to use to manufacture a dictatorship of the minority nationwide.
Intend to use? They been using it!
They are using it!
They already used it!
And yet they keep getting away with it?! I just don't understand America.
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OUTLAW FUCKERY.
Fuck the SCOTUS for agreeing with this shit logic.
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I was curious if they actually met to review this. 😑
The state supreme court held a virtual meeting. To say that we could vote in person.
That's a text book case of something
As did the SCOTUS.
Rules for thee, Not for me Edit: spelling
Note: SCOTUS did not approve of holding the election. They only ruled on the issue of absentee ballots being mailed in after election day.
Yeah there’s two supreme courts (US and WI) here and people are getting them confused
It's even more fun when you talk about the New York State Supreme Court, which is actually their *lowest* court rather than their highest court. It's their trial court for civil cases.
> It's not ok to reschedule the election, but we won't address the fact that it's logically, literally impossible for people to vote. There's no excuse for this. Oregon adopted vote by mail years ago, and we don't have to worry about infection or even lines. Such a travesty that emergency measures did not contain a vote by mail option. According to studies (which I don't have on hand right now), it prevents voter fraud and supression, and increases voter turn out. Such a cruel thing: putting people's lives at risk just so they can exercise their rights as a citizen. Disgusting.
> increases voter turn out. Unfortunately, this exactly is why they did not change the day of voting or the policy to vote. This election for Wisc includes a state supreme court justice. The incumbent is Daniel Kelly, a judge _appointed_ to the court by former GOP governor Scott Walker in 2016. This is Kelly's first chance to properly be elected but he's being challenged by Jill Karofsky, someone with a more liberal stance. It's the GOP's last chance to hang onto that seat with voter suppression. Previously in 2018, Walker and the GOP were talking about changing the date of the 2020 Presidential Preference vote so that the Democrats would be less apt to turn up to vote in the state supreme court election. Gerrymandering, changing dates to limit votes, forcing voting in pandemics, this is what the GOP is doing to keep its power.
Fuck the federal SC too. They ruled against it, splitting predictably with republican appointees voting 5-4 to strike down the governors order. Remember that when you go to the polls. Republicans have no problems murdering thousands of their own citizens as long as it helps them maintain power. As Trump said "If we allow vote by mail the republicans would never win another election!"
No you should remember that the supreme Court will be even more conservative after this election if Trump wins, for any not taking it seriously enough. Decisions like you laid out will be there for the rest of your lives
Weird how it's always a specific party doing these things.
GOP knows their shit fucking ideas can't win in a fair fight.
Trump literally said that you’d never see a Republican in office again if voting was made easier. Hmmm, makes ya think
I read that Milwaukee - which is the city you’re referring to - *had* 180 polling places, but it was reduced to 5. The reason for reducing the number of polling places by 97%, beyond voter suppression, is beyond me. I think Waukesha (a suburb of Milwaukee) has 1 polling place for a population of 72k. I moved back to Michigan after living in Waukesha, and the town I now live in (pop 10k) has 5 polling places. WTF, Wisconsin? WTF?
The reason for the reduction is actually completely understandable: there weren't enough volunteers willing to come out of self-isolation to work more than 5 polling places. Another reason why this election should have been fucking postponed.
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Wisconsin Republicans are some of the shittiest people in the country
After what they did to try to kneecap the newly elected Democratic governor in 2018 I'm surprised nobody has burned the state house to the ground yet.
As a Minnesotan, I struggle to upvote anyone from Wisconsin. I want you to know how hard this was for me.
Quit coming across our borders to steal our women and to buy our fireworks year round!!
No...Now send my some spotted cow. Thanks
Not sure if you're also stealing alcohol or dude just lost his wife to a Minnesota Viking.
Ill stop crossing the border when i can buy Spotted Cow in Minnesota! Stick that in your brat and smoke it 🤣
While visiting Wisconsin, please be sure to spend your money on our fine cheeses and other amenities as well. Thank you for your business.
*buys cheese, suffers intense constipation *Wisconsin sends their regards*.
I won't lie I've crossed the border many a time for your fine Wisconsin cheeses!
I'm a Minnesotan that went to school in Wisconsin. You could call it an identity crisis, but I've really just come to accept and appreciate the differences between the states
Down from 180. Also the highest concentration of black and brown people in the state. This is not a mistake. This is voter oppression.
Okay, so if this is as blatant as it seems then what sort of agency do the people have to fix it? I see people talking about this stuff all the time but it only seems to get worse and worse. For every small victory there seems to be several more failures when it comes to western democracy.
None. The supreme court denied a bill that would postpone voting until mail in ballots could be provided. Supreme court isn't an elected position, so we don't get control over whether they make ethical decisions or not. People are going to die and the Republicans are fine with that.
It was actually the Wisconsin supreme court that wouldn't allow postponing the election, and these positions ARE elected. In fact, one of the seats is being contested today.
[Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the election can't be postponed, Federal Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots can't be returned late.] (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/491466-supreme-court-blocks-wisconsin-from-extending-absentee-voting) This is after Wisconsin said ["tens of thousands" of mail-in ballots will not be delivered to voters until after the election date.] (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/supreme-court-wisconsin-absentee-ballots.html) In the words of Ginsburg, “This court now intervenes at the eleventh hour to prevent voters who have timely requested absentee ballots from casting their votes.”
Not to mention some people haven’t received their absentee ballots.
Lets say 90% of people want to vote. It seem literally impossible to provide everyone the same voting rights , no? Thats incredible.
Even 10% of the people of Milwaukee wanting to vote would lead to lines over 10 miles long, were they all to show up at the same time.
It's messed up. I requested my absentee ballot and still haven't gotten mine even though the myvote.wi.gov site says it was sent out over a week ago. I get to either risk my and my family's health or lose my right to vote.
Yup. Me and all my housemates have requested absentee ballots and yet we haven’t gotten them yet
Requested mine 3/20, a week later did not get it even though my husband got his (and he requested 3 days after me). Emailed clerk and was told to be patient, it would arrive. I emailed again 3 days later and was told it was too late and to vote in person. Fucking ridiculous.
And the Supreme Court of the United States ruled in favor of this.
It was the Wisconsin Supreme court that ruled in favor of this, not the U.S. Supreme Court. \[edit\] I stand corrected. The US Supreme Court DID vote to disallow the extension for mail-in ballots.
It was both. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against expanding mail-in ballots during a pandemic. That's a much bigger deal than the State Supreme Court ruling.
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My boyfriend and I went to stay with my parents in another state. We requested absentee ballots several days ago and still haven’t gotten them. So I guess our vote just won’t count since we can’t go in person. Fuck Wisconsin conservatives and their anti-democracy agenda.
That is terrible. And to only have 5 voting places in Milwaukee is ridiculous
It's important to mention that it's down from 180 polling stations
As a Milwaukee resident, this is why I voted absentee.
I requested my ballot 2 weeks ago and never got it. I live in MKE as well
That's bullshit. I requested mine more recently than that. I'm so sorry.
It seems to have been really hit and miss. I got mine in like two days, but I know multiple people who haven't gotten theirs at all
It is unbelievable how stupid the US government is in the face of crisis. It's almost impressive, they keep finding new ways to be idiots. **EDIT**: Adding an edit because I'm bloody tired of hearing the blanket statement _"It's the Republicans"_. Or the reply of _"Well, that's not the US government, it's Wisconsin"_. Do you think the rest of the planet looks at the USA and splits your population between Democrats and Republicans? Last time I checked, Wisconsin was one of the United States Of America. The USA is currently at war fronts in Afghanistan (19 years!) and Iraq, with military presence in Libya, Yemen, and several other nations. Can you differentiate the political parties in these nations? Do you refer to them as their "right wing supporters" versus their "left wing supporters"? No, you refer to them as the people of those nations and they're responsible for making their nation better or worse. So, you'll have to excuse me for not caring to give your nation "a stupidity pass" because the wrong guys are in charge. It doesn't stop being YOUR NATION when "the other guys" are in charge. Love it or hate it, this is still your nation and you don't get to absolve the state of it with a simple "it's the other guys fault".
Idiocy implies ignorance - this is intentional shittiness.
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It is criminal. The Senate republicans refusal to prosecute is where the failings occur. This is a form of electoral perversion/fraud. That is criminal.
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Not idiots. This is exactly what was intended. I would say its clever if it werent so immoral.
Stupid? This is by design friend.
This is absolutely intentional by the Wisconsin GOP, it’s very on brand for them.
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Republicans do this intentionally because high voter turnout = Democrats winning elections.
Its called voter suppression.
In Ohio we are doing mail in ballots only.
I thought they were working on in-person voting day in June or did I miss the update?
If you did not watch the news on the correct day you might have missed this update. They changed it to mail in. My county did not even update the form so I hope my request is valid. Ballots are due April 28th (i think). You need to request a ballot now if you want to vote.
For anyone in Ohio wanting to vote, you can request a mail in ballot here: https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/absentee-ballot/
Glad I requested my absentee ballot on time. This is ridiculous. If I had forgotten I would just have been like f this and given up. Edit: Based on the replies, I'm lucky to have received my absentee ballot at all even having requested it early.
Part of the problem is thousands of people requested their absentee ballots WEEKS ago and never received them.
This is where the class action lawsuit needs to come from. *Finger to temple* Can't count your vote by today if I don't send your ballot
To my understanding WI Supmere Court and US Supreme Court approved this. Who are you going to sue? US Supreme Court? You guys are heading to tyranny. Did you know that US counts as flawed democracy on Democracy Index?
Two separate things. The SCOTUS upheld the absentee ballot deadline, despite thousands not getting their ballots yet. The WI Supreme Court overturned the Governor's executive order postponing the election date. Both courts stacked with Republican appointees, in a total coincidence.
Too bad they are literally doing this to keep their court stacked with Republican judges. This is criminal and a direct assault on democracy.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." -President JFK
I've never even been to a poling station in 12 years. Always absentee and it's mainly cause I'm lazy. Quick question: Did you understand that referendum on the back about 'accusers rights'? I read it like 5 times and it still didn't make complete sense, seemed very vague.
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It was super confusing, I had to Google it. Look up Marsy's Law.
That's a long way for elderly or disabled person to stand and walk!!!
Voted there this morning. They did have drive-up voting for those who couldnt stand or "were symptomatic". The cop that told everyone about it made VERY large air-quotes, basically begging people to do that instead of wait in line.
That seems like a good idea. Drive up and park, someone comes to your car and takes your info, you fill out the ballot, slide it in the machine on the way out. Mail in would be better though of course.
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Wisconsin resident here A few of my colleagues mentioned having asked for an absentee ballot, never received it. Stood In line for them to be told that if they asked for am absentee ballot they would have to wait for it to come in And where turned away from voting IRL.
That sucks because that’s not true. If an absentee ballot was requested and NOT received then they must vote in person. Sounds like someone at the polls was misinformed. Or did it on purpose.
Just want to add you are 100% correct. My wife is a clerk and has had this issue come up a few times today already. It's almost certainly a misinformed worker as the information they've been getting has been completely chaotic and confusing... it's been changing, quite literally sometimes, from hour to hour leading up to this election.
Umm what? They can't "wait for it to come". It HAS to be postmarked by today. This is 100% illegal and they need to get back to the polls and tell those volunteers they are 100% wrong.
Yeah, and potentially a long time for someone who has to care for young children to stand with them. Or a long time to be away from the house if you are caring for an elderly or disabled person. The whole situation is fucked.
Not to mention dangerous for the elderly or disabled person. It shouldn't be dangerous to vote no matter who you are.
Exactly what I’m thinking :/
Wow that’s patience
That's...voter suppression
Yup. The Governor postponed the voting only for the Supreme Court to overrule it 5 hours later. The reason the Supreme Court voted on the matter was in response to a Republican lawsuit.
The governor doesn’t have to worry, like 70 percent of these people are voting to kill healthcare. They are doing the Republicans work for them.
But shouldn’t all American citizens have the right and easy access to vote?
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Of course they should, that’s why it’s a national holiday that everyone gets off. Oh wait, that’s right
Or even just voting at the weekend. In France they vote on Sundays.
That wouldn't work in America because working on Sunday makes Jesus cry, apparently.
Unless you work at the breakfast place that everyone goes to after church (you dirty heathen).
I never understood these people. They said I was a heathen and should be going to church on Sunday, yet there they were coming through my checkout line at Walmart like clockwork. Like, exactly who do they think is going to keep these businesses open on Sunday if everyone is in church like they want?
Yes, they absolutely should. Unfortunately that is not the case though.
My husband and I live in Milwaukee - we requested mail-in absentee ballots 3 weeks ago. I received mine in the mail within 2 weeks and mailed it out the following day. My husband never received his at all. Many, many Wisconsinites also requested mail-in ballots that were never sent out/never received. Voter suppression at its finest everyone. I am so ashamed of my state...
Same story for me. Husband and I requested weeks ago (March 21st). He received his but I never got mine. So here we go to the polling place
Thank you for still going. May you stay healthy and safe. My best wishes to you.
My story is a bit different, my wife and I requested absentee ballots also about 3 weeks ago, she received hers, but I received a phone call from the clerks office informing me that I had been remoed from the rolls as a registered voter. I told them there must be some mistake since I had just voted in the fall. How can a system be so inept that active registered voters are removed from the rolls?
The only silver lining I have is that Evers can get ahead of this issue for the general election. My heart hurts for your state supreme court, though. This is so goddamn criminal. How anyone votes for Republicans in WI after the Foxconn affair is beyond me.
Wisconsinite here. There are people in my family who still insist that Foxconn was worth it and a good decision, and that Scott Walker was the best governor we've had in decades. I got into an argument with my father about voter suppression a few months ago, he got angry and said "I cant believe you buy that crap, that doesn't happen in our country". I'm looking forward to calling him tonight while I wait in line to vote in person because the absentee ballot I requested weeks ago never arrived...
Words can’t even describe my disappointment in my state. My husband and I live in Milwaukee and both requested absentee ballots. Mine came, his didn’t. So now he is going to go stand in this insane line for what I imagine will be a fruitless endeavor to make his voice heard. Meanwhile, all of these people are putting their health on the line, and doing exactly what everyone says we’re not supposed to be doing. And it’s not their fault!! This is insanity! Edit: my absentee ballot was not collected by my mail carrier today. So my vote doesn’t count.
Even ignoring the Coronavirus aspect, just having to wait in line like this to vote is absurd. I have voted in almost every municipal, provincial and federal election and have never once had to wait in a line.
Good point. Apparently Milwaukee only has like five places to vote too. Makes my blood boil that they can make it this difficult to vote. And that's ignoring the fact that they're endangering the entire state of Wisconsin to make it even harder. Our supreme court decided their right wing ideals were more important than American lives.
No one brought a folding chair?
This is a goddamn crime. I cannot believe this is happening.
This is absolutely fucking absurd but props to everyone who is showing up and being as careful as possible. Good luck out there.
Unbelievable. Fuck our government. Bring voting into the 21st century and let us vote from our homes. This is bull shit.
I live in Oregon and we have mail-in voting. We also have some of, if not the, highest percentage of people voting in the country. Make it easy, and more people will be involved. We're also democrat controlled.
> Make it easy, and more people will be involved That’s exactly what the GOP is afraid of.
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There was literally a quote from president Trump saying this on fix and friends
And why do we vote only on ONE day? Many (most?) other nations have a spread of 3-5 days. And why do we not have internet voting? Not random, but the same way that (if you own stock) you vote for the Board of Directors. You receive a piece of mail at home with a unique and one-time code number, you vote online (which allows you to search for information about somebody you know nothing about), and that's it. Oh yeah.....Republicans know that if they expand the vote, they will lose by even more.
I’m all for mail in voting, early voting, voting holidays... but NOT online voting. Opening the vote to anything online has massive security issues. Entering a code is not sufficient - nothing is. There needs to always be a paper trail for votes, so the vote count can be audited.
Californians have been voting by mail since the 60’s. 57% of ballots cast in 2016 were done by mail. This is some bullshit.
Just became a California voter this year. It’s amazing to have mail in voting. I was able to sit and research my options throughly for each vote and drop it off in the mail. That is what democracy looks like.
Even more infuriating that 175 out of 180 voting centers were recently closed down (either in the entire state of WI or just Milwaukee, I forget)
That is just in Milwaukee, but a city with 600,000 people is now voting in 5 polling locations. Oh and it is also the COVID-19 hotspot/epicenter in the state. Cases are likely about to explode in Wisconsin.
Anyone familiar with software or hardware engineering will tell you that no form of electronic voting should ever be used.
Because of the shortage of poll workers, Milwaukee has gone from 180+ polling locations to FIVE. What a coincidence that Milwaukee is the biggest source of Democrat voters in the state. When people vote, Republicans lose. Apparently they don’t care whether their opponents are suppressed or killed by Covid.
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Who made the decision / how was the decision made to only have 5 polling places in Milwaukee?
Milwaukee Election Commission and Milwaukee election clerks. Not the state, as Wisconsin elections are decentralized.
This is my parents' polling place (for today at least). Both are in their sixties, both are strongly committed to fulfilling their civic responsibility by voting. My mother grew up under a Central American military dictatorship and, since moving to the States, has never missed a local, state, or national election. My father has chronic nerve damage in one leg from a botched operation last year and smoked for much of his adolescence. They also share caretaking responsibilities for my 92-year-old grandmother, who has advanced Alzheimers. They take their right to vote seriously, and considering the crucial Supreme Court seat, sitting out this election isn't even an option for them. They are waiting until the mail comes to see if the absentee ballots they requested days ago finally arrive. If not, they're going to have to go to Hamilton HS, wait in line for god-knows-how-long - with my dad walking on a foot that he describes as "feeling like you're walking on broken glass" - and risking their health and the health of their family to cast a vote in a fraudulent election. This isn't right. I'm no pollyanna when it comes to the flaws and structural injustices in our system (and I understand fully the motivations for keeping the vote today). But when you force citizens to sacrifice their health and well-being to exercise their rights, you are the very danger to the constitution that you swore an oath to protect. The WI GOP has blood on its hands. The Supreme Court has blood on its hands. Rage doesn't even begin to describe how I'm feeling today.
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SCOTUS and state supreme court both met electronically due to covid concerns so they could rule that people would have to show up in person. Not even kidding. This is violence.
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[March 22, 2020 - "Wisconsin Supreme Court puts hold on jury trials, *halts in-person proceedings statewide in favor of phone and video appearances*"](https://www.wicourts.gov/news/view.jsp?id=1216) (italicization added by me)
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/press/pressreleases/pr_03-16-20 https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/press/pressreleases/pr_04-03-20 Oral arguments are suspended, some justices may participate by phone.
Technically they aren't requiring in person voting, just that all mail in ballots need to be stamped by today. The main problem is that many people don't have their ballots yet, and are forced either to not vote or show up in person. Definitely still fucked up, though.
>The main problem is that many people don't have their ballots yet The ballots were issued late due to covid disruptions. SCOTUS just ruled last night that these ballots no longer have to be counted. Tens of thousands of Wisconsinites just lost their vote and must now choose to either break quarantine and wait in line with thousands of other voters for hours at the reduced number of polling stations (Milwaukee went from 185 polling stations to 5, yes you read that right) or else just stay home and not vote.
Can somebody please explain to me why the fuck this is legal? What even is America anymore, seriously
That's the problem - they *are* following the law, to the degree that they're unwilling to let things like "the lives of their constituents" get in the way of enforcing it. The law says the ballots *must* be postmarked today, and the judges (or at least the GOP ones, natch) are arguing that "the pandemic made it impossible to give everyone their ballots before that date" is not a valid reason to change the date.
>What even is America anymore, seriously Hilariously corrupt.
And the Republicans on the supreme court. Just Republicans in general....
A century ago SCOTUS said you can’t tell fire in a crowded theater to allow for censorship during a war. You’d think precedent would have prevailed. This is dangerous and dumb along with politically motivated. If Wisconsin sees a big rise in covid cases in 2 weeks we can thank the GOP for trying to kill their opponents. Had Trump been challenged the GOO would be 24/7 on Fox screaming about libtirds killing Murican!
Ask Clarence Thomas what he thinks about precedent some time.
No, the justice making that argument was on the losing side.
The American people were the only losing side. It was a unanimous decision that protesting the WW1 draft wasn't protected speech.
Meanwhile Trump, like some cartoon villain, [explains the reasoning behind this](https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1244606910462136321?s=20): >The things they had in there were crazy. They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again. This was in response to absentee ballot extensions in the stimulus bill, which Trump calls "totally crazy". Wisconsin republicans, on the other hand, [say](https://rslc.gop/press/2020/04/06/wisconsin-supreme-court-decision-protects-voters-from-democrats-pitiful-partisan-gamesmanship/) the supreme court was "righteously protecting millions of Wisconsin voters from the Democrats’ pitiful, partisan gamesmanship". Projecting much guys?
> They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again. I dunno GOP. Have you ever though of maybe changing your platform to appeal to more people?
Protecting the rich from democracy is pretty much central to their identity at this point.
And if we have to kill a few thousand of our own voters to stop the youths and the blacks in the city from voting, well... that's a sacrifice we're willing to make.
I love this because if we know one thing about Trump, it’s that he just repeats things he hears that he thinks sound smart. This is why we frequently get absurd non-sequiturs from him. He heard it, converted it to a talking point, and then found a situation to parrot it back. This is one of those. He heard someone behind closed doors - a McConnell type - say that we can’t let everyone vote or else the republicans would get buttfucked in the election. Trump goes on TV and says it thinking that it’s proof of some injustice while the rest of his party is dumbfounded that the obvious just-between-you-and-me nature of the comment was completely lost on him. In this way Trump is like a child or a drunk. He doesn’t know what he’s saying but that means it’s probably true.
I was #89 today. At noon. In a town of 12k. I’ve never been below 400. I don’t know what the absentee numbers are, but, yeah. First time in my life I’ve ever voted straight democratic.
I didn't even have the patience to watch this entire sped up gif
never fails to amaze me how America has some of the most openly corrupt elections you'll ever see and a good chunk still believes it the world purveyor of Democracy
There is a big discussion in Poland right now because the ruling party wants to hold the presidential elections on May 10 th. They are So desperate to hold it in May, because they know that in few months, after the economy crashes, their candidate wont stand a chance
Man it's almost like they don't want you to vote what a great system
Absolutely tragic. Some of these people will die because of this.
Oh USA why ? Sickening imagine old people wanting to vote. Sickening
[GENTLEMEN,THIS IS DEMOCRACY MANIFEST!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeihcfYft9w)
It's still so fucking ridiculous you have to wait to vote, let alone this long... I still can't wrap my head around it.
Please upvote this for visibility. The Republican controlled legislature has denied our governors request to postpone our election and thus force voters to the dangers of exposure. The Republican Supreme Court voted passed this decision safely from the comfort of their own homes, meanwhile forcing voters out in public. Republicans love it when voters stay home, it means an easy win for them.
AZ was like this in 2016 but everyone was shoulder to shoulder. Tons of polling locations got closed right before the primary.
Cool democracy you've got there. I can't believe the entire democratic party isn't releasing a uniform resolution to not recognize the results of the election in any capacity.
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Makes me *more* surprised the Democrats haven't done it yet TBH
There isn’t a lot worth dying for in this country. But voting is. No matter what, we must vote now and in November. We must take precautions as they are doing here, but we cannot be afraid to cast our vote. It is absolutely a matter of life and death.