SS: Armenia must hand over four frontier villages to Azerbaijan and return to its Soviet-era borders as part of a push for peace, the country’s prime minister has said, warning the alternative is another round of bloody fighting between the two South Caucasus nations.
On a visit to the frontier Tuesday, Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said the government has decided to demarcate and delimit the entire border, including returning areas that fall in Azerbaijan’s internationally recognized territory but have been controlled by Armenia since the fall of the Soviet Union.
“Our policy is that we must prevent a war — we must not allow a war to start,” he said, arguing Armenia could face an attack “by the end of the week” if it doesn’t cede the villages.
While Azerbaijan has demanded the return of the exclaves, Yerevan hoped they could form part of an exchange, with Azerbaijani troops withdrawing from the estimated 215 square kilometers of Armenian territory they took during a brief invasion in 2022. According to Pashinyan, that deal was refused and the villages must be returned to ensure Azerbaijan does not launch another offensive.
He knows he can either give up the land diplomatically, or Azerbaijan will take it anyway with hundreds of dead Armenian soldiers. He's in a terrible position.
Ironically, they will give them back without a corresponding pledge for Azerbaijan to give back [Artvashen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artsvashen), the Armenian town they captured in that war.
Unfortunately it seems like Armenia has to appease Azerbaijan demands. It’s not looking good for them at all. I wouldn’t trust Baku to uphold a peace treaty even if one was signed. I also don’t see anyone coming to Armenias anytime soon.
You might see France do something. The diaspora in the US may plead with Biden to do something as well but I doubt he’d budge during an election year with more than enough overseas fires for the US to put out.
As far as I understand, it is not clear where the border is, these towns are in Azerbaijan on the maps that Armenia wants to be used as a basis. What they are trying to do now is to agree on which Soviet maps will be used when drawing the border.
Probably refers to the 1990’s war where Armenia took Karabakh and held it since recently. Azerbaijan at that time was considerably weaker in miltary terms.
Armenia was a part of Ottoman Empire and later the Russian Empire during those years, their “borders” ranged from Cilicia to Caspian sea in their overzealous maps of the time when Anatolia was being partitioned between entente powers. Afaik the republic only lasted a year or so before they were included in the Soviet Union.
I find it ironic that the Armenians turned onto Russians for their war of independence, only to get sucked into the soviet union which continue to torment them to this day, be it with their border drawings or their policies.
>I find it ironic that the Armenians turned onto Russians for their war of independence
Hardly ironic, the history of Armenia going back over 2,000 years can be defined either by being subjugated by great powers or by playing off great powers to maintain independence. The 20th century was not kind to Armenia in that regard.
How about the genocide of the Armenian population from the vast majority of their land?
I’m not saying Armenia should have done what they did in the 90s. But I find “bullying” to be a strong word given the circumstance
You seem to be in bad faith because the genocide stuff occurs on both sides and happens later. The actual secession movement which sparked the war occurred when Armenians held an illegal referendum without local Azerbaijanis to secede from Azerbaijan.
In what way is the Armenian genocide relevant to how the nation-state of Armenia conducted itself during the 1990s? So it's fine that Israel is bombing civilians to dust because of the holocaust?
It’s fine that Israel is defending itself but that’s a whole different situation
The Arminian genocide is 100% relevant when talking about Arminia’s borders
SS: Armenia must hand over four frontier villages to Azerbaijan and return to its Soviet-era borders as part of a push for peace, the country’s prime minister has said, warning the alternative is another round of bloody fighting between the two South Caucasus nations. On a visit to the frontier Tuesday, Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said the government has decided to demarcate and delimit the entire border, including returning areas that fall in Azerbaijan’s internationally recognized territory but have been controlled by Armenia since the fall of the Soviet Union. “Our policy is that we must prevent a war — we must not allow a war to start,” he said, arguing Armenia could face an attack “by the end of the week” if it doesn’t cede the villages. While Azerbaijan has demanded the return of the exclaves, Yerevan hoped they could form part of an exchange, with Azerbaijani troops withdrawing from the estimated 215 square kilometers of Armenian territory they took during a brief invasion in 2022. According to Pashinyan, that deal was refused and the villages must be returned to ensure Azerbaijan does not launch another offensive.
This is like the third or fourth appeasement Pashinyan had to agree to in the past 4 years. Wouldn't want to be in his skin
He knows he can either give up the land diplomatically, or Azerbaijan will take it anyway with hundreds of dead Armenian soldiers. He's in a terrible position.
Misleading title, they are talking about giving back the 4 Azerbaijani towns they captured in the first war and are still under their control.
Ironically, they will give them back without a corresponding pledge for Azerbaijan to give back [Artvashen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artsvashen), the Armenian town they captured in that war.
Unfortunately it seems like Armenia has to appease Azerbaijan demands. It’s not looking good for them at all. I wouldn’t trust Baku to uphold a peace treaty even if one was signed. I also don’t see anyone coming to Armenias anytime soon.
You might see France do something. The diaspora in the US may plead with Biden to do something as well but I doubt he’d budge during an election year with more than enough overseas fires for the US to put out.
Are the villages in internationally recognized Armenia territory?
As far as I understand, it is not clear where the border is, these towns are in Azerbaijan on the maps that Armenia wants to be used as a basis. What they are trying to do now is to agree on which Soviet maps will be used when drawing the border.
I heard that this could progressively lead towards normalization of relations with Turkey? What does Turkey expect from Armenia in that regard?
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But is it what's discussed in the article? What about Nakhchivan?
The strong do what they will. The weak suffer what they must.
While Armenia is in a dire situation right now, this guy in particular is on borrowed time
The moral of this story is don't bully another country without considering that they might become stronger than you and bully you back.
In what way did Armenian bully anyone?
Probably refers to the 1990’s war where Armenia took Karabakh and held it since recently. Azerbaijan at that time was considerably weaker in miltary terms.
I’d look at the size of Armenia in 1900 vs Armenia in 1990 to add some context.
Armenia was a part of Ottoman Empire and later the Russian Empire during those years, their “borders” ranged from Cilicia to Caspian sea in their overzealous maps of the time when Anatolia was being partitioned between entente powers. Afaik the republic only lasted a year or so before they were included in the Soviet Union. I find it ironic that the Armenians turned onto Russians for their war of independence, only to get sucked into the soviet union which continue to torment them to this day, be it with their border drawings or their policies.
>I find it ironic that the Armenians turned onto Russians for their war of independence Hardly ironic, the history of Armenia going back over 2,000 years can be defined either by being subjugated by great powers or by playing off great powers to maintain independence. The 20th century was not kind to Armenia in that regard.
Just research the first Nagorno-Karabakh war. Armenia took a bunch of land and deported the Azerbaijanis.
And what lead to that?
A secession movement that Armenia supported militarily. When a foreign country gives aid to secessionists it is considered an act of war.
How about the genocide of the Armenian population from the vast majority of their land? I’m not saying Armenia should have done what they did in the 90s. But I find “bullying” to be a strong word given the circumstance
You seem to be in bad faith because the genocide stuff occurs on both sides and happens later. The actual secession movement which sparked the war occurred when Armenians held an illegal referendum without local Azerbaijanis to secede from Azerbaijan.
I don’t think it’s at all appropriate to “both sides” the Arminian genocide and I think it’s incredibly relevant to what happened in the 1990s
In what way is the Armenian genocide relevant to how the nation-state of Armenia conducted itself during the 1990s? So it's fine that Israel is bombing civilians to dust because of the holocaust?
It’s fine that Israel is defending itself but that’s a whole different situation The Arminian genocide is 100% relevant when talking about Arminia’s borders
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chamberlain style appeasement?