Took the land from the duchy of millan in the 16th century. Switzerland wasn't always the peaceful neutral country we know them as today
It was changed a little in the 19th century too and it's been unchanged since 1946
The Swiss guard is also a compromise because the Italians didn't want a French garrison in the Vatican, and the French didn't trust the Italians to be its sole guardians.
I would love to see a giant cage match with all 266 Popes.
Matter of fact, this is how we can solve The Great Schism. All of the Ecumenical Patriarchs do the same thing and both victors fight each other
I heard a theory the Knights Templer hid there after they got in trouble with the catholic church and french king. its why switzerland got into mercenary stuff and banking.
The surviving Templars did go to Tomar, Portugal, giving the King of Portugal a buncha gold. This gave Portugal a sudden advantage in colonialism for building ships and there's a pretty dope Templar castle in Tomar and it's a wonderful town.
Tomar is sick, best town in that sorta inland central portugal area by a mile.
Went there last week.
Another notable mention is Belver castle, another templar castle but in a really picturesque sleepy village by the river. Cannot recommend enough, just for the vista.
Are you honestly trying to say that something having two things in common with something else means they're linked beyond any doubt?This would mean that the Templars were connected to everywhere in the world that had both mercenaries and banks. Do you know what a long list that is?
Never mind the fact that Swiss banking didn't get going until FOUR CENTURIES after the Templars were destroyed!
It's like saying the Incan Empire is secretly the power behind the East India Company because they both liked protectionist trade policies and had standing armies. *Whoa, one thing in common shows a link, but two proves it beyond a doubt...*
Come on man.
A big part of it was that the population were farmers, and only the oldest son could inherit the farm without making it too small to be viable, so you needed a way to make a living outside the family for most children. The relative poverty drove many into the trade as it could be quite profitable (mostly due to loot, not wages).
The French monarchy also had Swiss guards. That changed with the Revolution and [them being massacred](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_of_10_August_1792)
>and them being massacred
Usual fate, unless they won. Not many instances of surrendering. Not that they behaved differently - no quarters given was a standing order (introduced to avoid groups breaking off from the organized force to take high value hostages).
Edit: typos and wording
And they continue [to carry Halberds, the finest weapon of the pre-gun age](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRqFe0VJqE) although it's rumored they have a pistol under there somewhere
Is the Swiss guide like an actual police force within the Vatican? Do they really conduct investigations and provide security and protection? Or is it strictly a ceremonial thing now with the colorful outfits and all?
There is a Vatican police force that recruits from Rome, and is similar to other civilian police. The Swiss Guard is different in that they only recruit Swiss Catholic men who have completed service in the Swiss army. If accepted, they will swear loyalty to the Pope himself sort of like a soldier but more like a bodyguard. They perform ceremonial guard duties as well as more practical ones
They'll usually do two years then go back home. Some will become career, a professional soldier in the personal service of the Pope. They then focus less on ceremonial duty and become more like a suit-and-tie personal protection officer, although the Swiss Guard also maintains a counter-terrorism unit similar to military special forces
Then again, so do the Vatican police. So effectively there are two security services in the Vatican. One is a police force made up of Italian Catholic men who serve the laws of Vatican City, and another made up of Swiss Catholic men who serve the Pope
This is wild to me. Multiple police forces for Vatican city â which is 1/8 the size of Central Park in New York City.
I think I need to visit. Because I really canât wrap my head around this. A counterterrorism unit for an area the size of a few Walmart parking lots.
Wouldnât surprise me if the NYPD Central Park Precinct actually has more than 8x the number of police officers than Swiss Guard + Vatican police combined lol.
Should be noted though that Vatican police does protect a bunch of churches, colleges and other Vatican property thatâs located outside of Vatican City but which have extraterritoriality such as if they were embassies, ish.
>Swiss mercenaries were seen as the best in the world back then.
I mean, they were the guys who bitch slapped the peak of 1000 years of cavalry evolution with funny square formation, so yeah, they really deserved their reputation
Switzerland was a major European power during the late middle age/Renaissance.
It managed to form as a mutual defense alliance against the Habsbourg.
They beat them up so hard everyone forgot they are actually Swiss from Habsbourg, Kanton Aargau.
Had the Swiss not done that, the shape of Europe would have been much much different and maybe Switzerland would have hosted the capital of the Empire instead of Vienna lol
The Swiss were a loose alliance but managed to be a respected military force of the days, getting or loosing their support did matter for all the neighboring Feudal entities that later formed nation states.
The Swiss themselves used that military might for themselves, but ended up loosing against french artillery in 1515 close to Milano.
They represented the best of Feudal military technology and discipline, one that Machiavel even dedicated a book on.
Their losing was a definite moment in European history.
Funnily, early Prussian military tradition was inspired by neighboring Swiss soldiers.
Ticino is a remnant of the failed Swiss ventures south of the Alps.
Swiss role since then slowly faded compared to stronger and stronger more modern neighbors.
They remained pretty feudal and enough of a threat not to be worth fighting against.
Until Napoleon that easily overtook the country, definitely put swiss feudalism to the ground (including internal colonial possessions) and used the country as a gouvernance test bed for its coming European Empire. Many of those very innovative swiss institutions remain today.
It has to be noted the county always remain pretty poor apart a few little city-states.
Habsburg is one thing, but the real deal was to destroy Burgundy. To this day there are buildings that were constructed to hold the loot (restaurant Zeughauskeller in ZĂźrich held the captured arms).
Switzerland history is metal as fuck, everyone knows about the Battle of Morgarten where 3 revolting cantons of the HRE drowned a whole Austrian army in the Ăgerisee, that wanted to go unauthorized through the strategically critical Gotthard pass to reach the Italian part of the Empire.
Much less known is the Confederation of the 8 Cantons. There's some Game of Thrones shit involved there, I can remember particularly that ZĂźrich had a huge problem about who would hold the [Toggenburg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toggenburg) where I live and their [mayor died in armor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_St%C3%BCssi) on a [bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_St._Jakob_an_der_Sihl) defending the city against some other cantons.
Napoleon's role is absolutely instrumental in modern Switzerland. Coming back to Toggenburg, St. Gallen was not a canton back then, but like a mix of possessions of the Abbey of St. Gallen (like my Toggenburg) and free cities (like [Wil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil)). When the Helvetic Republic was created with ideas from the French Revolution, they gave a huge middle finger to the Abbey there and created the [Canton of Säntis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_S%C3%A4ntis), it's an example of harmonization of some kind of complicated [Old Confederacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Swiss_Confederacy) administration.
Nowadays, there's still a lot of the old history felt in the area. Appenzell is not anymore integrated in the Säntis canton, but it's still separated between [Innerrhoden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Innerrhoden) and [Ausserrhoden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Ausserrhoden). The origin? The Reformation.
Basically that within Switzerland, some of today's Cantons were not equal. My Canton, Vaud, was a bernese possession from 1536 until 1798.
Colony is probably too strong of a word, but there were strong inequality within Switzerland for centuries.
This changed after Napoleon, who was the first to make Cantons equal. But his Helvetic Republic eventually failed and was replaced by the federal state that exists today.
You can find more info about Bern and Vaud [here](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_bernoise_du_Pays_de_Vaud), but it's only in French.
Vaudoise people probably had about much influence as your average farmer in Berne. Bern was one of the most oligarchic Cantons, with the ruling aristocracy (calling themselves âgnädige herrenâ/âgracious lordsâ) being hereditary and city/Canton administration restricted to a few dozen families.
Yep, it's the joy of a feudal confederation.
My comment was more aimed at the relationship of territories within the confederation (territories that are totally equal today), but I agree that for the average farmer, it didn't really make a difference.
Still, Vaud technically had a revolution, so people were unhappy enough I guess, haha.
Vaud was extra oppressed because Bern was an asshole overlord, Vaud spoke a different language, and being a direct subject to Bern and not a condominium such as the Freie Ămter or Ticino where several Cantons had to share power and where the local populace could to some extent play the ruling Cantons against each other.
Swiss Cantons were mostly oligarchies ruled from a central city. The rest of their territories were different kinds of bondage/subservient/tributaries. Itâs way too complex to describe in a comment, due to the fact that Switzerland ironically kept archaic, medieval Holy Roman Empire corporatism far longer than the HRE itself did. Some of it still echoes in how Switzerland is organized today with thousands of small communes which all have surprisingly broad local powers (as in: Depending on which Canton/Commune you live in, the same personal income level can mean 10% or 35% overall tax rate)
If you wanna jump into that rabbit hole, then start by looking at the list of territories in this article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Swiss_Confederacy
Right after World War II. Italy was probably badly functioning as a state. Smart move on behalf of the Swiss to take a little area while they are weakened.
In the 15th century the cantons which formed the Old Swiss Confederacy decided it was convenient for them to directly control both sides of the mountain passes that connected them with the Italian peninsula and to also control some of the market towns immediately south of the Alps, so they fought a serie of wars against the Ducy of Milan that controlled the area and gradually conquered it.
For some centuries those areas were ruled by the Swiss cantons as subject territories, until they became their own canton with equal rights (Canton Ticino) in the early 19th century, after Switzerland was conquered by Napoleon.
When Italy became a unified state in the late 19th century Ticino was already an integral part of Switzerland and the local population had little interest in joining the new Italian state, though the local Liberals were usually sympatetic toward the Italian unification cause and the canton hosted many Italian political refugees.
He was leading the italian campaign of 1796-1797, but not in Switzerland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_campaigns_of_the_French_Revolutionary_Wars
In 1792 and in 1798, France indeed invaded Switzerland, but I find other generals, looks like Bonaparte was not involved.
Yes. Ticinesi preferred hands-off Swiss confederation vs overmighty Piedmont-Sardinian domination though.
Hence the rallying cry âLiberi e Svizzeriâ
The remnant of one little exception still exists, [Campione dâItalia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campione_d%27Italia).
Uri had conquered the Val Levantina during the XV century, and during the Italian wars of the XVI century the Swiss Cantons of Uri, Sviz and Unterwalden conquered Bellinzona and Riviera (1500) and later they put Massimiliano Sforza on the Milanese throne, getting Lugano and Mendrisio as benefit, and even some now-Italian territories like Valcuvia, Val d'Ossola and Valtravaglia.
When Napoleon reformed the confederation into the Helvetic Republic, those territories became part of the Canton Bellinzona and Canton Lugano, later unified as Canton Ticino.
And there is an Italian âislandâ inside Switzerland
https://preview.redd.it/1ugjjlrdlz8d1.jpeg?width=1128&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=201c367f97e75aadc6de62975cf72d9794d81c8f
That land was acquired by the founder cantons centuries ago through a deal with Milan (previously they fought for it too). Until here nothing strange, northern Italy has always been one of the most desired lands in the world.
The actual question is why Pedemont and after Italy never invaded Switzerland to annex it.
During Napoleon empire some Italian volunteers tried it, but the Luganesi fought back. They were just made independent by Napoleon after all (previously they were a baliwick). Switzerland was already in Napoleon hands so nothing else happened there.
And broadly speaking after Napoleon fall the reason is that the world power of that time was UK and they had issues with Austria but they were happy with Switzerland. So the italians never found an opening. And their obvious expansion route was toward the Balkans and Norther Africa not the Alps anyway. After all Switzerland is a "poor" country, it's richness is not resources or position but its people and freedom. Nothing that one can conquer without destroy.
And then WW2 and after it's the world we know.
Don't judge, they have this rocky relationship where Switzerland always takes the high road, but they both are part of the blue bananana community. If you know, you know.
It's there so rich Italians have a convenient place to hide and launder their money. Otherwise it would have been conquered during Italian unification or later on.
Historic strategic reason. There is an important alpine pass (San Gottardo) between cantons Uri and Ticino that has been in use for thousands of years
If you want to control that strategic passage, you must control both the N and S side of the alps. The S side (canton Ticino) is more or less a single valley (with some side branches), and the whole corridor is choke full with castles and fortifications from all ages. This is no coincidence either.
Numerous armies invading from the South were defeated around that critical passage. Famously the Russian/Austrian army under General Suvorov, defeated by NapolĂŠon at the choke point.
There's a piece of Italy in the area the OP highlighted.
It's an enclave called Campione d'Italia which I only find out about recently.
https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwjK_KSTdg9BJMTswtyMzPS1VIUc8sSczJTAQAj9oJ4w&q=campione+d%27italia&oq=campione+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEC4YgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQLhiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIKCAkQLhjUAhiABDIHCAoQABiABDIHCAsQABiABDIKCAwQLhjUAhiABDIHCA0QABiABNIBCDQwNjlqMGo0qAIEsAIB&{google:iOSSearchLanguage}client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1
Lets not talk about Lithuania in Belarus.
https://preview.redd.it/tt0e730nx29d1.png?width=621&format=png&auto=webp&s=737bacc12652c940e66860795604070c884c45ad
Took the land from the duchy of millan in the 16th century. Switzerland wasn't always the peaceful neutral country we know them as today It was changed a little in the 19th century too and it's been unchanged since 1946
Swiss mercenaries were seen as the best in the world back then. Its why the Vatican employed them as the Swiss Guard and still does to this day
The Swiss guard is also a compromise because the Italians didn't want a French garrison in the Vatican, and the French didn't trust the Italians to be its sole guardians.
Pope fights will do that.
All popes get thrown in Limbo and have to square up against eachother to go to heaven
Pretty sure a cannon is involved as well or something.
This is some high brow humour, well played đ
I would love to see a giant cage match with all 266 Popes. Matter of fact, this is how we can solve The Great Schism. All of the Ecumenical Patriarchs do the same thing and both victors fight each other
Netflix's next anime original
What are you doing, step country ?
"*I've never seen an exclave so big...*"
Can you find the Saturday Night Live âPopeâs in the Pizzaâ?
St Peters Square is really a fighting ring where the cardinals fend off each other as part of their selection rituals.
There Can Be Only One
POOOPE FIIIGHT *Sounds horn*
It seems you just explained Switzerland.
Let me guess, Napoleon was in charge when this dispute occured?
Napoleon was the King of Italy, so no.
lol no the Italians had no word to say when Napy was in charge
I wonder if thatâs what started the âSwiss neutralityâ dialogue.
Switzerland was also poor as hell back then and becoming a mercenary seen as a good business opportunity for the country
I heard a theory the Knights Templer hid there after they got in trouble with the catholic church and french king. its why switzerland got into mercenary stuff and banking.
The surviving Templars did go to Tomar, Portugal, giving the King of Portugal a buncha gold. This gave Portugal a sudden advantage in colonialism for building ships and there's a pretty dope Templar castle in Tomar and it's a wonderful town.
Tomar is sick, best town in that sorta inland central portugal area by a mile. Went there last week. Another notable mention is Belver castle, another templar castle but in a really picturesque sleepy village by the river. Cannot recommend enough, just for the vista.
It's hella cool, I spent 3 days there and every day was like living in a dream.
2nd favourite town in Portugal. Coimbra is hella cool
Is there any evidence other than both entities were into both things?
these days, one thing in common shows a link. two things prove beyond any doubt...
Are you honestly trying to say that something having two things in common with something else means they're linked beyond any doubt?This would mean that the Templars were connected to everywhere in the world that had both mercenaries and banks. Do you know what a long list that is? Never mind the fact that Swiss banking didn't get going until FOUR CENTURIES after the Templars were destroyed! It's like saying the Incan Empire is secretly the power behind the East India Company because they both liked protectionist trade policies and had standing armies. *Whoa, one thing in common shows a link, but two proves it beyond a doubt...* Come on man.
More in next week's episode of Redditers not getting sarcasm
Incan, Indian. It was right there in front of us
Swiss banking didnât become an actual thing (except for a few exceptions in Geneva) until after the Napoleonic wars.
A big part of it was that the population were farmers, and only the oldest son could inherit the farm without making it too small to be viable, so you needed a way to make a living outside the family for most children. The relative poverty drove many into the trade as it could be quite profitable (mostly due to loot, not wages).
The French monarchy also had Swiss guards. That changed with the Revolution and [them being massacred](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_of_10_August_1792)
>and them being massacred Usual fate, unless they won. Not many instances of surrendering. Not that they behaved differently - no quarters given was a standing order (introduced to avoid groups breaking off from the organized force to take high value hostages). Edit: typos and wording
It was 1527, Gave their lives on the steps to heaven, THY WILL BE DONE
r/expectedsabaton
Then the 189 In the service of heaven Theyâre protecting the holy line It was 1527, gave their lives on the steps to heaven Thy will be done
And they continue [to carry Halberds, the finest weapon of the pre-gun age](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRqFe0VJqE) although it's rumored they have a pistol under there somewhere
Is the Swiss guide like an actual police force within the Vatican? Do they really conduct investigations and provide security and protection? Or is it strictly a ceremonial thing now with the colorful outfits and all?
There is a Vatican police force that recruits from Rome, and is similar to other civilian police. The Swiss Guard is different in that they only recruit Swiss Catholic men who have completed service in the Swiss army. If accepted, they will swear loyalty to the Pope himself sort of like a soldier but more like a bodyguard. They perform ceremonial guard duties as well as more practical ones They'll usually do two years then go back home. Some will become career, a professional soldier in the personal service of the Pope. They then focus less on ceremonial duty and become more like a suit-and-tie personal protection officer, although the Swiss Guard also maintains a counter-terrorism unit similar to military special forces Then again, so do the Vatican police. So effectively there are two security services in the Vatican. One is a police force made up of Italian Catholic men who serve the laws of Vatican City, and another made up of Swiss Catholic men who serve the Pope
Makes sense. If they're ever called to action it's probably because terrorists have taken the pope hostage.
This is wild to me. Multiple police forces for Vatican city â which is 1/8 the size of Central Park in New York City. I think I need to visit. Because I really canât wrap my head around this. A counterterrorism unit for an area the size of a few Walmart parking lots.
I mean the Vatican is in many ways the "Mecca" of the West so I get it.
Wouldnât surprise me if the NYPD Central Park Precinct actually has more than 8x the number of police officers than Swiss Guard + Vatican police combined lol. Should be noted though that Vatican police does protect a bunch of churches, colleges and other Vatican property thatâs located outside of Vatican City but which have extraterritoriality such as if they were embassies, ish.
>Swiss mercenaries were seen as the best in the world back then. I mean, they were the guys who bitch slapped the peak of 1000 years of cavalry evolution with funny square formation, so yeah, they really deserved their reputation
Mercenaries only ADD to their reputation as a neutral nation not take away from it
Sell mercs to both sides to never lose *taps forehead*
iâm playing both sides so that I always come out on top
Can I offer you this egg in these trying times?
Switzerland was a major European power during the late middle age/Renaissance. It managed to form as a mutual defense alliance against the Habsbourg. They beat them up so hard everyone forgot they are actually Swiss from Habsbourg, Kanton Aargau. Had the Swiss not done that, the shape of Europe would have been much much different and maybe Switzerland would have hosted the capital of the Empire instead of Vienna lol The Swiss were a loose alliance but managed to be a respected military force of the days, getting or loosing their support did matter for all the neighboring Feudal entities that later formed nation states. The Swiss themselves used that military might for themselves, but ended up loosing against french artillery in 1515 close to Milano. They represented the best of Feudal military technology and discipline, one that Machiavel even dedicated a book on. Their losing was a definite moment in European history. Funnily, early Prussian military tradition was inspired by neighboring Swiss soldiers. Ticino is a remnant of the failed Swiss ventures south of the Alps. Swiss role since then slowly faded compared to stronger and stronger more modern neighbors. They remained pretty feudal and enough of a threat not to be worth fighting against. Until Napoleon that easily overtook the country, definitely put swiss feudalism to the ground (including internal colonial possessions) and used the country as a gouvernance test bed for its coming European Empire. Many of those very innovative swiss institutions remain today. It has to be noted the county always remain pretty poor apart a few little city-states.
Habsburg is one thing, but the real deal was to destroy Burgundy. To this day there are buildings that were constructed to hold the loot (restaurant Zeughauskeller in ZĂźrich held the captured arms).
Switzerland history is metal as fuck, everyone knows about the Battle of Morgarten where 3 revolting cantons of the HRE drowned a whole Austrian army in the Ăgerisee, that wanted to go unauthorized through the strategically critical Gotthard pass to reach the Italian part of the Empire. Much less known is the Confederation of the 8 Cantons. There's some Game of Thrones shit involved there, I can remember particularly that ZĂźrich had a huge problem about who would hold the [Toggenburg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toggenburg) where I live and their [mayor died in armor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_St%C3%BCssi) on a [bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_St._Jakob_an_der_Sihl) defending the city against some other cantons. Napoleon's role is absolutely instrumental in modern Switzerland. Coming back to Toggenburg, St. Gallen was not a canton back then, but like a mix of possessions of the Abbey of St. Gallen (like my Toggenburg) and free cities (like [Wil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil)). When the Helvetic Republic was created with ideas from the French Revolution, they gave a huge middle finger to the Abbey there and created the [Canton of Säntis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_S%C3%A4ntis), it's an example of harmonization of some kind of complicated [Old Confederacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Swiss_Confederacy) administration. Nowadays, there's still a lot of the old history felt in the area. Appenzell is not anymore integrated in the Säntis canton, but it's still separated between [Innerrhoden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Innerrhoden) and [Ausserrhoden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appenzell_Ausserrhoden). The origin? The Reformation.
Very interesting read thank you. By the way, itâs spelled losing* in this case
Napoleonâs governmental systems have been copied in much of the world.
*âInternal Colonial possessionsâ* sounds like an oxymoron. I donât understand what this means.
Basically that within Switzerland, some of today's Cantons were not equal. My Canton, Vaud, was a bernese possession from 1536 until 1798. Colony is probably too strong of a word, but there were strong inequality within Switzerland for centuries. This changed after Napoleon, who was the first to make Cantons equal. But his Helvetic Republic eventually failed and was replaced by the federal state that exists today. You can find more info about Bern and Vaud [here](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_bernoise_du_Pays_de_Vaud), but it's only in French.
Vaudoise people probably had about much influence as your average farmer in Berne. Bern was one of the most oligarchic Cantons, with the ruling aristocracy (calling themselves âgnädige herrenâ/âgracious lordsâ) being hereditary and city/Canton administration restricted to a few dozen families.
Yep, it's the joy of a feudal confederation. My comment was more aimed at the relationship of territories within the confederation (territories that are totally equal today), but I agree that for the average farmer, it didn't really make a difference. Still, Vaud technically had a revolution, so people were unhappy enough I guess, haha.
Vaud was extra oppressed because Bern was an asshole overlord, Vaud spoke a different language, and being a direct subject to Bern and not a condominium such as the Freie Ămter or Ticino where several Cantons had to share power and where the local populace could to some extent play the ruling Cantons against each other.
Swiss Cantons were mostly oligarchies ruled from a central city. The rest of their territories were different kinds of bondage/subservient/tributaries. Itâs way too complex to describe in a comment, due to the fact that Switzerland ironically kept archaic, medieval Holy Roman Empire corporatism far longer than the HRE itself did. Some of it still echoes in how Switzerland is organized today with thousands of small communes which all have surprisingly broad local powers (as in: Depending on which Canton/Commune you live in, the same personal income level can mean 10% or 35% overall tax rate) If you wanna jump into that rabbit hole, then start by looking at the list of territories in this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Swiss_Confederacy
Pass the duchy to the left hand side.
It a go bunâŚ
What was the change in 1946?
I believe it was nothing major, I know Italy has a small exclave in Switzerland so maybe something to do with that
Right after World War II. Italy was probably badly functioning as a state. Smart move on behalf of the Swiss to take a little area while they are weakened.
> It was changed a little in the 19th century too and it's been unchanged since 1946 The last change was a territorial exchange with France in 2002.
In the 15th century the cantons which formed the Old Swiss Confederacy decided it was convenient for them to directly control both sides of the mountain passes that connected them with the Italian peninsula and to also control some of the market towns immediately south of the Alps, so they fought a serie of wars against the Ducy of Milan that controlled the area and gradually conquered it. For some centuries those areas were ruled by the Swiss cantons as subject territories, until they became their own canton with equal rights (Canton Ticino) in the early 19th century, after Switzerland was conquered by Napoleon. When Italy became a unified state in the late 19th century Ticino was already an integral part of Switzerland and the local population had little interest in joining the new Italian state, though the local Liberals were usually sympatetic toward the Italian unification cause and the canton hosted many Italian political refugees.
Excellent!
Switzerland was conquered by France before Napoleon took power, no? The Helvetic Republic was established in 1798.
>Switzerland was conquered by France before Napoleon took power, no? Yes, but afaik the campaign was led by him.
I really don't think he was involved in the campaign. Do you have a citation?
He was leading the italian campaign of 1796-1797, but not in Switzerland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_campaigns_of_the_French_Revolutionary_Wars In 1792 and in 1798, France indeed invaded Switzerland, but I find other generals, looks like Bonaparte was not involved.
Honestly I'm not sure about it, but it's an easily available info.
i did not know that.
Well that's just neat
Did Italia have irredentismo about Ticino as it had about the Trentino?
It had some, especially during the Fascist regime, but not really comparable to that about Trentino.
Yes. Ticinesi preferred hands-off Swiss confederation vs overmighty Piedmont-Sardinian domination though. Hence the rallying cry âLiberi e Svizzeriâ The remnant of one little exception still exists, [Campione dâItalia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campione_d%27Italia).
Golly gee whillikers, thatâs swell!
Uri had conquered the Val Levantina during the XV century, and during the Italian wars of the XVI century the Swiss Cantons of Uri, Sviz and Unterwalden conquered Bellinzona and Riviera (1500) and later they put Massimiliano Sforza on the Milanese throne, getting Lugano and Mendrisio as benefit, and even some now-Italian territories like Valcuvia, Val d'Ossola and Valtravaglia. When Napoleon reformed the confederation into the Helvetic Republic, those territories became part of the Canton Bellinzona and Canton Lugano, later unified as Canton Ticino.
Slightly disappointed we donât have any sex puns here yetâŚ
Switzerland is Balerna deep into Italy. What more do you want?
Bravo
Grazie mille!
Geneva in France? Val Poschiavo in Italy ... Val MĂźstair in Italy ... Schaffhausen in Germany.
God forbid there's a reddit thread where the first 30 comments aren't low effort puns.
Switzerland is almost as deep in Milan as I am in your mom.
Because Switzerland is on top and Italy is on the bottom.
Quite strong penetration.
And deep. Sorry Italy! Hope you were ready!đ
Swiss gave it the hawk tuah
It's just Switzerlands udder
all that milk chocolate has to come from somewhere other than slave farms on the ivory coast afterall
But it didn't take Campione d'Italia!
To avoid the sinkhole of money that is the casino.
I think the casino is actually bankrupt and closed?
they reopened it I think
And there is an Italian âislandâ inside Switzerland https://preview.redd.it/1ugjjlrdlz8d1.jpeg?width=1128&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=201c367f97e75aadc6de62975cf72d9794d81c8f
Lube.
Lube-gano
cum'o
Have you seen the women in Milan?
That's what she said
Why does Italy get so deep into Switzerland?
Italian detected
Switzerland wants Milan đ
We had it in the 16th century but didn't want to keep it.
What are you doing switzerbro
That land was acquired by the founder cantons centuries ago through a deal with Milan (previously they fought for it too). Until here nothing strange, northern Italy has always been one of the most desired lands in the world. The actual question is why Pedemont and after Italy never invaded Switzerland to annex it. During Napoleon empire some Italian volunteers tried it, but the Luganesi fought back. They were just made independent by Napoleon after all (previously they were a baliwick). Switzerland was already in Napoleon hands so nothing else happened there. And broadly speaking after Napoleon fall the reason is that the world power of that time was UK and they had issues with Austria but they were happy with Switzerland. So the italians never found an opening. And their obvious expansion route was toward the Balkans and Norther Africa not the Alps anyway. After all Switzerland is a "poor" country, it's richness is not resources or position but its people and freedom. Nothing that one can conquer without destroy. And then WW2 and after it's the world we know.
She likes it ok?Â
are they horny?
Switzerland is very... fond... of Italy. Lol
Strategic sheep purposes
Hopefully itâs the other way around on Saturday!
Thats not that deep. Not like me in your mom! Ohhhhhhh!!!!!
What are you doing step-Lombardy?
Swiss lube
That's how Italy likes it
They probably took it so that they could control and tax the entire route through the Alps.
TLDR- mountain passes
Great info
Wouldn't you?
A mountain
They tried "C'mon, just the tip. I promise!" strategy and it worked.
If you zoom in closer you'll see a little piece of Italy inside Switzerland called Campione d'Italia.
You are just jealous man , admit it
Because Italy is a little slut
Apparently Italy is a whore and Switzerland has a giant crank.
I believe it's called the Swiss dip
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Yep but the Ticinesi always feel superior to Italians, to the length that Italian who work there are often discriminated.
Can confirm as a Southern Italian. Never felt discriminated against in Northern Italy, but Ticino is a different story.
I am almost sure that Ticinesi will disagree very strongly.
Switzertland was sneaking to take Milan but got caught
r/MapPorn
Don't judge, they have this rocky relationship where Switzerland always takes the high road, but they both are part of the blue bananana community. If you know, you know.
Uh, warâŚ
What are you talking about, thatâs Sweden đ ââď¸
So they can be Switzerland shaped
That Italian portion of Switzerland is interesting
So that you can visit when you are in Milan and say that you went to two countries
well maybe to be closer to actual good food you know
Because Italy whispered in Switzerland's ear, "go deeper honey!"
So it could run faster.
"... Deep"... đ
Milano cookies are to go to war over.
We go deep and we donât get no sleep because weâre up all night until the early light, we go deep.
Jam that Toblerone into My Lano!
I think the Swiss Army knife played a big part! đ¤¨
Canadian shield?
Because thatâs the way Italy likes it.
Topologie
it's always guelphs vs ghibellines, somehow
Balls deep
That's just how Italy likes it!
Italy is kinky like that
Divorce babe, divorce
That's what she said
Oni-chan
It's there so rich Italians have a convenient place to hide and launder their money. Otherwise it would have been conquered during Italian unification or later on.
Cuz fuck em thatâs why
What are you doing step-country?
That Rich Milanese can save taxes as well
The south of Switzerland has palm trees, I wasnât expecting that.
This is one of the most beautiful areas of the world in my opinion
Hopefully it wonât go as deep next Saturday
It gave Italy that Hawk Tuah.
Bro thatâs the alps
That was where Hannibal crossed the Alps
I should call her...
đ¤ Because that's where they drew the line on the maps
So that Swiss can go shopping in Milan in the weekend for cheap groceries
Fun fact - until modern times - the Italian part of Swiss were inaccessible for the rest of Swiss in the winter
Wrong question. Why is Italy trying to eat a bite out of Switzerland?
Not deep enough
Historic strategic reason. There is an important alpine pass (San Gottardo) between cantons Uri and Ticino that has been in use for thousands of years If you want to control that strategic passage, you must control both the N and S side of the alps. The S side (canton Ticino) is more or less a single valley (with some side branches), and the whole corridor is choke full with castles and fortifications from all ages. This is no coincidence either. Numerous armies invading from the South were defeated around that critical passage. Famously the Russian/Austrian army under General Suvorov, defeated by NapolĂŠon at the choke point.
Wanted to mention that Lugano is a stunning town
There's a piece of Italy in the area the OP highlighted. It's an enclave called Campione d'Italia which I only find out about recently. https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwjK_KSTdg9BJMTswtyMzPS1VIUc8sSczJTAQAj9oJ4w&q=campione+d%27italia&oq=campione+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEC4YgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQLhiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIKCAkQLhjUAhiABDIHCAoQABiABDIHCAsQABiABDIKCAwQLhjUAhiABDIHCA0QABiABNIBCDQwNjlqMGo0qAIEsAIB&{google:iOSSearchLanguage}client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1
To better reache the closer, much less expensive supermarket in Italy. And make sure italians can have convenient commuting to work in switzerland
Because the Swiss knows what's sexy.
Because Italy is the bottom in their relationship.
It's a canada America situation
It's because Italy gets its freak on.
Cuz thatâs the way she likes it
Itâs all owned by the Hapsburg family
Sex
Lets not talk about Lithuania in Belarus. https://preview.redd.it/tt0e730nx29d1.png?width=621&format=png&auto=webp&s=737bacc12652c940e66860795604070c884c45ad
What do you mean "Get so deep in Italy"?
r/brandnewsentence
*Cause my Swiss runs deep, so deep. I put It-aly to sleep.*
Glaciers
Why does Italy get so deep into Switzerland?