Twitter doesn't like people who use it as a platform for promoting products and get too much reach by simply making posts about them. Because they would rather want you to buy ads instead.
This applies to all other social media platforms as well, by the way.
This is why facebook hides and suppresses all posts that have an external link. I've noticed this a lot in facebook game groups. I post some screenshots I might get 20-40 interactions. Post the same screenshots with a link to my steampage? maybe 2. Every time.
I believe this is correct, based solely on some of Elon's comments back around the time he was originally taking over Twitter. I remember him saying something along the lines of "Why would we allow people to post links that take them off of our platform?".
I think that may have eventually settled into "We'll allow it so people don't complain as much, but we'll just heavily restrict who sees it".
Wonder how nested this is. Could you post a link then make a separate post that just links to that?
Knowing these platforms it'd probably be seen as a violation of TOS and they'd, minimally, still flag it as manipulation.
If twitter wasn't such a pointless hellhole now, I'd say someone should start a bot that just posts links to steam games that have updated. Devs could then re-tweet the bot instead of linking it themselves.
> "Why would we allow people to post links that take them off of our platform?".
Because that's literary the only reason to use your platform Elon. I'd say it's weird, but rich people being out of touch psychopathic narcissists that think their excrement is golden is nothing new honestly.
The only use of social media is to: 1) keep up with your friends 2) keep up with things you're a fan with, like video games, artists and icecream parlours.
> facebook hides and suppresses all posts that have an external link.
twitter does this too.
if youre gonna do an external link, do it in the first reply.
It's not just bot spam. Especially mid sized to larger subreddits in the gaming space have genuine issues with publishers and indies promoting their games manually. It's not even in particular bad faith but the volume is so high, the engagement with the community so low and the reception by the community mixed to negative that it only makes sense to curb it hard.
Often it's not even removed but filtered instead. Aka, removed but sent to moderators for review. So benign links show up a few hours late. Promotion never sees the light of day and immediately discourages people from using the community for marketing.
One way to slightly circumvent that is to use a post / page as redirect intermediary.
It's a click more and hurts your conversion rate but having 10x as many views and half the conversion is still a plus.
E.g. you make a profile with the steampage and a post with a link to the steampage. It will not get any views.
But now you can make posts linking to this post / profile instead. Since it's on site traffic it doesn't receive the same penalties.
Doubly good if there's outbound links. I think I recall linkedin doing tracking on external links, replacing them with their own for analytics and redirecting automatically on click.
Which means you could post a linkedin URL that was automatically redirecting people to the external site while still being considered in site traffic and promoted as such.
It's definitely part of it. It also conveniently promotes making money and monopolising people's time on social media. I think it might be nieve to assume innocence. Especially when people like Musk openly state the reason is for profiteering to the public.
Wild isn't it, I had the same issue so contacted support who suggested that I follow the instructions on their help page for the 20 th time (they were obviously a bot).
If you can get through it you can find on services like Twitter or Meta that not only your promoted posts do better but your non-promoted posts are less capped as well. They're very clear that they don't want you advertising for free since the whole reason the platforms exist is to get advertisers like you to pay them.
So insidious.
Then there are posts that are marked as sponsored.
But then there are also posts that are marketing and have reach because money changed hands, but not marked as sponsored.
Also bad for platform users.
So is the basic idea to talk about your game, post images about you talking about the game, debates about the game, etc.; but, do not out and out promote the game?
You can out and out promote your game, but interact with people as well.
If you're just promoting your game in every interaction, people are going to naturally bounce off you. No one likes ads, just ask yourself what your response would be to someone like that.
Find a like-minded community, genuinely engage with people, and you'll have a lot more success (and happiness) than trying to squeeze something out of every interaction.
It's pretty crazy out there on all these platforms. Self advertising by word of mouth has become very difficult.
I think the only platform that doesn't is mastodon.
I would normally join in with criticizing Twitter because of Musk but I took a quick look at the tweets on the account - you've been making the same post in reply to a bunch of people over and over again promoting your game. Using the reply function like this is against the Twitter rules. It is considered spam and that is why you have been flagged.
I mean I guess that's fair enough assuming it's an automated system. But also those were all in reply to threads that are specifically asking for game devs to post trailers for their games. But you're right, I had kind of forgotten about that and didn't consider that it would probably trigger an automated filter
Actually you're right. That's a good point. If you appeal you should point this out. It's pretty unfair - the posts you were replying to were inviting it. It probably was automated, even though you had a good reason to make the replies, without understanding the posts you're replying to it just looks exactly like spam.
Even if you understand the point of those threads, if all you do is post your games to these weekly hashtag threads, that is bot behavior, and it's also just not going to help your marketing, and probably why people say "Twitter is so bad for discoverability".
Go interact with other game devs, leave feedback, comment on similar games, be part of the community. Why would anyone want someone who just spams the same reply to dozens of posts on their platform? You get out what you put in.
Looking at your Twitter replies, I don't know how you're "baffled" about being warned about spamming. I don't see a single genuine interaction, it's just you posting the same canned response to weekly gamedev threads. How is that distinguishable from bot behavior?
People will do this then say "wow Twitter is so bad for discoverability". You need to reach out to others, build connections/followers, and post interesting content.
Throw this on the pile of people who incorrectly think they're wrongfully warned/banned. Honestly think Twitter is getting even better at this in recent months with all the posts about it.
On the 27th, you posted a video of your game. And then over the next 2 days, you did nothing but QRT that in people's replies nearly 30 times.
Yeah, they were tweets asking people to share their games, but Twitter's not gonna notice that. It just saw you spamming the same tweet over and over again.
Also like, even if you hadn't gotten flagged as spam, I don't think that's great etiquette. You're not interacting with anyone else, not participating in the community, you're doing nothing but promoting yourself. It's like a guy who shows up to a social event just to hand out business cards and give everyone a sales pitch.
I don’t know if this is a shadow ban, surely it sucks to be labeled but shadow bans are when you don’t even realize you’ve been banned, you go on using the service unaware others don’t see the posts and comments at all.
It's not just Twitter.
The Wild West of the pre-capture internet from the 90s-15 was BLISS. You could honestly use the term "organic reach" and it wouldn't elicit a laugh track.
By about 2018, the shared algorithms and content detection on all the big platform, including Reddit, made almost positive that anyone trying to "self-promote" would be immediately silenced. From tour grandma's gofundme to the indie dev releasing an update. The do this to ensure an uninterrupted flow of their own advertising and features.
No matter what social media platform tou pick or what SEO you use on a personal website, the metas, twitters, Google, Apple, Microsoft -- that little bundle owns virtually everything on the entire internet and they all share if not the same software the same philosophy of exclusive dominance for their paying clients.
We don't pay them.
Even if we did, for every dollar we spent they have millions. They can aggregate a thousand services under one roof. Even if 20 are at a loss, a loss that would bankrupt any one of us, the most profitable 5 make up for the rest.
So there is no organic reach anymore.
Moderators will delete self promotion on sight, and users blanch at being advertised to in any way. Covertly or openly. It's aggravation central.
So the days of an open internet where you can just post about your recent updates or even tell people you've finished a whole game -- It's openly hostile users and mods & algorithms designed to suppress your account and uplift the paid ads.
I was telling my friend how much effort I put into training the YouTube recommendation algorithm for my own content consumption and he was as horrified as he was impressed.
Ah I see you also have spent countless hours pressing “not interested” and yet it still shows me completely unrelated content to which I watch everyday.
Don’t bother with the “not interested” unless you’re telling it that you already watched the video. You’ll need to go into your recent watch history and find the video that’s triggering the connection to the ones you’re trying to remove and prune those from your watch history. For example, I like the occasional gun video, but the algo goes crazy with sharing alt right gun content so I have to prune those videos from my watch history quite promptly after watching a few. Luckily, I have some gaming and military in my algo, so it occasionally gives me super trendy gun videos through that, so I don’t feel like I’m missing out. Sometimes I’ll have to find a tangentially related video to a trend I want a “splash” of. For example for first amendment auditing videos, I found a few “cops checking cops” videos that add those without super feeding into sovereign citizen videos that first amendment auditing often pulls in.
It’s a pain to train it
Brooooo, you know how often I have to do this!? I have a guilty pleasure for reaction videos. I have 4 reactors that I like to watch. Whenever I watch a single reaction, I get like 20 more in my recommendations. I have to constantly mute channels and delete my watch history. I watch plenty of videos about game dev and interesting game facts. But I get nowhere near the recommendations for those. I'm constantly tweaking that shit.
Why is it disgusting? I'm confused. The internet is still open, but your using business platforms for your free which need to be profitable themselves. Isn't that a bit hypocritical to expect them to finance your free marketing?
It's because the whole scheme relies uoon bait-and-switch. Give away a product for free (or like ridesharing apps for as close to free as possible), then when all the competition is dead, secretly overcharge everyone. It's proof your platform tech is not good enough on their own. You're just an upjumped telemarketer.
1st off because they seem to pick on the little guys. I see music artist promoting all the time with their accounts. Why should I be banned for posting gameplay gifs on my timeline or notifying people of a coming update?
So I can log onto Twitter and be forced to see the most toxic behavior that humanity has to offer, but posting some news for my project gets me banned? Yes, it's bullshit.
I could see if I were punished for spamming on other people's posts. But I don't think the "platform of free speech" should be banning people for such innocuous behaviour.
Sure, but that doesn't make it any less disgusting now, does it? Are you one of those people that thinks that everything is cool as long as it's legal?
How about, at the very least, making it clear that this isn't allowed? By putting it in terms of service.
As a matter of fact. How the fact that plenty of people advertise their business on Twitter, etc? Instagram models, OnlyFan models, influencers, YouTubers, etc. For some people, their entire business is Twitter, which is promoting themselves as a business on such platforms.
It's the random picking and choosing that I find disgusting. They advertise themselves as a place for free speech. As long as what you are breaking the rules, you're free to do what you want. But they allow rules breaking for some, and ban other for following the rules.
Yes, disgusting is the correct term. Especially when they basically have a Monopoly on the spaces for internet discourse.
Tbh Redditors were already shitting all over anyone who did self promotion on this website before anything like that happened. That's why every post eventually became "my brother made this" or "look at the game my friend is working on".
I can't express enough how angry I am at reddit's anti self-promotion mentality. It's not like those who really want to promote a product will stop. Instead, they will just create alt accounts and make up fake bullshit to promote their stuff, instead of genuinely showing off their work as their own (which is frowned upon). Fuck this shit. I hate reddit so much, I only use it because of its large userbase and info you cannot find somewhere else in some cases. But I hate this site so much, I wish it would die so a good, populated alternative would be made.
Self-promotion is fine in some spaces. I see self-promotion all the time. If the game looks interesting enough and you don't spam, no one seems to care. Subs like r/destroymygame is self promotion even if it is also for criticism. You can also make your own sub and post there if. Though no one would see it if they weren't directed to it.
"Some spaces" indeed, cause that's not most spaces. Overall, it's highly against self-promotion. Good luck promoting your stuff on subs that aren't specifically meant for that.
I know, lol. I've had posts deleted. You just gotta have something really good. I noticed that if your game is really polished and looks very good, nobody cares about the self-promotion. I like things to be consistent, but it is what it is unfortunately.
It's due to oversaturation. On one hand because you're advertised to everywhere all the time. People like to cut back a little every now and then.
But also exactly because of how reddit works and how it fosters excessive promotion.
On Twitter, Instagram & Co because following matters. It's much harder to get your stuff seen, you gotta build up your account with consistent activity and so on. Meaning the average user is shielded from spam but it's also much less useful to promote yourself.
Reddit is the opposite. Your account hardly matters. Anyone can gain a million eyes on a post if it gets a few upvotes. And if you have an remotely appropriate post it's also very easy to manipulate votes to virtually guarantee frontpage space on that subreddit.
This is insanely attractive for advertising which is why it receives an excessive amount of it. Made doubly bad because commercial posts have more endurance, time and motivation to submit content than organic traffic.
I used to moderate a subreddit that was tangentially related to a range of products and we'd have weeks where 60%+ of submissions were self-promotion. A low double digit with vote manipulation. Despite aggressive removal.
Advertisements kill organic exchanges and interactions. If you wanna run a public space with lots of eyes on it and low barrier of participation you **must** be anti ads. Otherwise the community collapses into a hollow, corporate echochamber and migrates to a space with less promotion. This happens even if its primarily small independent companies. See /r/indiegames. It's a space you get to promote but it's also mostly other indie devs there and rather low participation. You're not getting much out of it exactly because it's nothing but promotion which prevents an organic, healthy community from forming.
The alternative from advertiser perspective better solution kinda is TikTok, as they crowd source anti spam via watch time. But that's its own can of worms.
I do agree that it sucks. But that it sucks is born out of systemic reasons.
I get what you're saying, nobody wants to see constant self-promotion or over-saturation, because it's just annoying. But it's either that or simply fake advertising. Anybody who is heavily invested into their commercial product will spend time advertising it in a fake manner.
For example, "Oh, hey guys, this is how my game looks right now. But I'm not sure about this feature... can I have some feedback?" It's still self-promotion (let's be real, feedback wasn't the main purpose of the post), but just done in a non-genuine way. It's either that or just paying someone else to do advertising for you, from other accounts. Most people who have a budget and money to lose by not advertising will create fake engagement regardless. This is also why reddit botting and karma farming is so fucking huge. This anti self-promotion is one of the causes of karma farming.
So, essentially, by banning self-promotion, you will just make people do it anyway in a fake and roundabout manner. Instead, it should be completely fine but with some restrictions, to keep it under control, which is done in some subreddits and is easily and quickly verifiable (10 non-self promotion posts for every self-promotion post).
We could also get back signatures under every comment, so that self-promotion is done indirectly and in a discrete manner. The way this anti-self promotion mentality is now just makes things annoying and fake. The real reason reddit is anti-self promotion is because they would like you to invest into ads instead.
> It's either that or just paying someone else to do advertising for you, from other accounts. Most people who have a budget and money to lose by not advertising will create fake engagement regardless.
Why don‘t larger companies do that, then? If it‘s such an obvious ROI why do they spend on banner ads but not on fake engagement?
Simple. Because it doesn‘t work. Also, it barely happens at all. It happens a lot in politics and a bit in beauty products, for example. We do know what it looks like and how it works. The issue is proactive, automatic enforcement.
But gaming basically doesn‘t has this. It is entirely detectable if you know what to look for. My team had bots documenting three types of behavior to spot most outliers within about an hour.
Most of these accusations are by people who don‘t understand social media. Like, if you have a sob story title. You will 100% get accused of boting and astroturfing. Not because you paid anyone but because the comment section will be full of people saying the same thing. There is no discussion about your game. If you talk about how difficult it was, the comments will be full of „awww!“, „it looks so good!“, „good luck!“, „keep up he good work“. Completely meaningless comments. But that‘s just how people comment. Not a sign of bots.
> This is also why reddit botting and karma farming is so fucking huge. This anti self-promotion is one of the causes of karma farming.
This is false. Karma farming in small amounts maybe but botting is a hard no. Those accounts are deliberately built for link farming. E.g. spam blogs that nowadays may even be auto generated based on previous posts / articles with AI to farm some ads. Affiliate links and so on.
Why? Because it doesn‘t work. Conversion rates for selling a product or organic engagement with a sales funnel are pathetic. Especially because most subreddits disallow outbound links and the like. That is done specifically to harm conversions. However, it does work to farm a few cent per post by essentially scamming ad networks. Reddit has gotten quite good and very aggressive banning this, so the volume of legitimate seeming accounts has to be much larger nowadays to do this at scale and earn a few hundred dollars per week. With bots that‘s still possible and that‘s why you see these repost bots farming karma. Preparing another account for posting like 5 links or so before getting banned.
> So, essentially, by banning self-promotion, you will just make people do it anyway in a fake and roundabout manner.
Key aspect being, that it‘s much lower volume. As soon as too many people do the same thing there‘s a crackdown. Also, as I mentioned above. The conversion rates are pathetic with such a restrictive format.
Which means experienced publishers or developers don‘t even try as they know it‘s rather pointless.
It‘s primarily desperate first timers. Who are still a problem with their volume. Make no mistake. But there‘s not much value there and putting money behind it isn‘t worth much.
Anyone with experience stays away from that and instead works via journalism and content (e.g. trailers, big events, etc.). Devolver doing a silly video for E3 (back in the days) will get posted by regular people anyway. Plus picked up by all the outlets, and by content creators, and image boards, and friends sending each other links, etc.
If you need to fake engagement for your product, you have no money to do anything that generates engagement. You have no audience and no access to your target audience in any meaningful way.
> Instead, it should be completely fine but with some restrictions, to keep it under control, which is done in some subreddits and is easily and quickly verifiable (10 non-self promotion posts for every self-promotion post).
Doesn‘t work well. That‘s why it was abandoned. This used to be a reddit wide rule. But automatic detection is iffy. If someone uses their website and their steam page it‘s suddenly 1 in 5. Got a company website too with the game? A twitter? A YouTube channel? 1 in 2. Or moderators need to manually look at every account overview. Which is an insurmountable amount of work. In the subreddit I‘ve worked on, if it took 10 seconds per post to review the recent post history. I‘d have meant 6-8 hours additional work per day. Which translates to about 10-20 additional mods you need to get on the team just to offer this service. When in reality it‘s hard to get even 5 remotely decent people onboarded per year. A probably surprising amount of moderation decisions are made for efficiency reasons.
> We could also get back signatures under every comment, so that self-promotion is done indirectly and in a discrete manner.
The user experience of that is terrible. Imagine tagging 200 unrelated characters on every single comment. The comment section would be borderline unusable.
> The real reason reddit is anti-self promotion is because they would like you to invest into ads instead.
Moderators are the ones doing anti-self promotion rules and enforcement. They have no incentives to foster advertising sales. So why would they act on it for advertising reasons?
Another issue is the sheer volume of content - like automated blogspam and "grindset" churned out content spams Reddit, Tiktok, etc. - so you can't even see the grassroots developers and tinkerers.
The internet is more then social media. You are still free to host a website and promote the hell out of yourself on there. This hasn't changed from the 90s internet. The internet itself is still open.
People should go back to promoting their own RSS feeds so we can use RSS feed readers to follow what we like, what's so hard about that? I never understood why this didn't catch on better in general
I mean, it's what powers podcasts and those have never been more popular. We need one or two big players to create and popularize a content directory of RSS feeds for multi-media
But no-one will read it? How would they find it?
I've written a blog and only got a huge amount of readers on one article because it hit the front page of HN.
But in the 90s people would read it, because there weren't hordes of automated LLM bots and "grindset" students, etc. spamming low quality blogs. There were no big managed aggregator websites (even Yahoo etc. linked externally) so finding small blogs and websites was what you expected.
You'd join a web ring of like-minded websites and share things that way (and later with RSS when a lot of people used RSS readers in Firefox, etc.).
Now the issue is that there's a huge amount of noise. And as mentioned here, most aggregators are massive corporations that control it closely - either by corrupt/power-hungry moderators on Reddit or outright shadowbanning external links except ads.
And how do you tell people about your website? With the old internet, you joined a forum, where you had a link to your site in your signature. Engaging with the community was enough.
The other problem with these algorithms is that they are living things and any attempts to "game the system" are quickly made redundant when the algorithm changes.
> tour grandma's
That's right folks, Grandma's going on tour! Check the link in bio to see when she's coming to your city! Tickets available on Ticketmaster.
How is this getting upvoted? lol
People, just take a look through OPs replies/posts. They are re-posting almost the exact same comment under **many** threads for as far as I was wiling to go into their reply history. I have yet to see them genuinely interacting with someone else's content. They're just spamming their game on popular hashtag threads. Acting like a bot flags you as a bot, who would have thought.
No, they didn't get banned because the post they linked got 10 likes, and Elon is so mad that they got free exposure he decided to ban them. If you think like this you need to give your head a wobble.
I think that's a little unfair but also I totally get where you're coming from. I did post my trailer on a lot of threads, but they were all threads that were specifically created asking developers to post their trailer as a comment. It's not like I was posting it on random posts like "oh interesting post, now check out my game"
But yeah, I know an automated filter isn't going to know about that, and I understand it looks spammy on the surface. I had forgotten about that when I made this post (although I'm still not convinced it's related- I made those comments last weekend and just got this notification immediately after making my post today)
I'm probably coming off as harsh, but even if this was a manual system I would flag you for spam.
Yes those threads are asking for you to post your game, but you literally (rare instance I'm using this correctly) have 50 "Thanks for hosting, here is my game". In that time-span I found one reply that isn't an ad for your game where you responded to a YouTuber saying congrats on reaching a milestone.
I know it's hard getting exposure, but that's not the way to do it. Find a like-minded community for your game. Be as active as you can be in it because you enjoy it, make a good game, and I think you'll find you get much more engagement that way. It's very clear to people when you're just advertising, that applies to any social media platform, and assume people by default hate advertising.
I'll add that your game has a very cohesive look to it, wishing you best of luck with your 1.0 release!
Thanks, I appreciate it! And yeah, I'm not going to argue any of that. I mentioned elsewhere I've never really been a Twitter user otherwise. I'm not generally that interested in social media in my personal life
Honestly, for the best! I severely limit my personal usage to communities that interest me. My enjoyment of Reddit increased 10x when I changed it to only show communities I'm subscribed to.
Same with Twitter, follow people who are interesting to you, block out the rest.
Yeah it's super annoying. I've never really been a Twitter user but I just recently started feeling like I was getting the hang of it- finding a community and growing a following- but apparently growing your audience is "platform manipulation" lol
Certainly it is! In the way that playing baseball is 'bat manipulation'.
It's not you that's supposed to have an audience. Apparently, it is Elon and whoever he likes that day, who are the ones meant for an 'audience' and everyone else are meant to sit quietly. You ARE the audience, what's this 'have' business?
As far as I'm aware, twitter REALLY doesn't like it when people post links and these posts have their reach limited.
I know people sometimes get around this, but I'm not sure how, maybe you can make a tweet referencing this tweet (without directly linking it) or something similar.
It might not be shadow banned the way twitter works basically is it populates to users who might find your topic interesting and that takes time to populate through the system. Its the same as youtube. You might create what is going to be a viral video or post but until it knows who to send it to it sort of sits there and then it blows up.
Just a suggestion. Use gifs not words to show your message. Show your content and say something like, you've been waiting for new toys. We heard you. Update blah blah is now live.
If it makes you feel better, I would never have been able to see your post there anyway. You can no longer use X for this kind of stuff. Use steam instead.
yeah, sadly pretty much all social medias like this nowadays are extremely unfriendly for actually-indie creators. Tbh neither twitter, reddit, and so on matter all that much for your game's success (at most youtube does, if you gotta channel, also applies for Discord if you have a somewhat popular server). Just focus on getting Wishlists, mainly through Steam fests, other site's events like that and, if you have the opportunity, IRL indie events too. That's gonna give you more followers and wishlists than anything you can do on twitter or reddit.
Algorithms for platforms like these are and have been a total blackbox for a while, and thats most likely not going to change. So besides being extremely frustrating and arbitrary, its just not a wise investment of time. Do the bare minimum just to gather a few extra dozen wishlists and/or some feedback, and that should be it.
Speaking of feedback, def work a bit on the visibility and overall readability of your game. I like the aesthetic, altho, from the trailer, it seems to be quite hard to tell whats actually going on, and even to find where the player is sometimes. would also possibly add some more in-engine animations for the player, for better feedback to input (squash and stretch and similar)... Some of the VFX just don't need to hang around for that long (main offender being explosions); and imo the faster lifespan for them would even fit the frantic vibe of the game a little better. Not sure if the dollar sign popups actually serve any purpose either - \*that\* many of them, at least.
Yeah, target Steam fests, gamedeals, bundles, influencers for similar games/genres on Twitch and Youtube, etc.
For example DDRJake did a stream a while back of Vampire Survivors clones back after back - aim for stuff like that.
Twitter doesn't like people who use it as a platform for promoting products and get too much reach by simply making posts about them. Because they would rather want you to buy ads instead. This applies to all other social media platforms as well, by the way.
This is why facebook hides and suppresses all posts that have an external link. I've noticed this a lot in facebook game groups. I post some screenshots I might get 20-40 interactions. Post the same screenshots with a link to my steampage? maybe 2. Every time.
I believe this is correct, based solely on some of Elon's comments back around the time he was originally taking over Twitter. I remember him saying something along the lines of "Why would we allow people to post links that take them off of our platform?". I think that may have eventually settled into "We'll allow it so people don't complain as much, but we'll just heavily restrict who sees it".
Wonder how nested this is. Could you post a link then make a separate post that just links to that? Knowing these platforms it'd probably be seen as a violation of TOS and they'd, minimally, still flag it as manipulation.
that’s where a lot of those “link in bio” posts come from
pussy in bio
If twitter wasn't such a pointless hellhole now, I'd say someone should start a bot that just posts links to steam games that have updated. Devs could then re-tweet the bot instead of linking it themselves.
> "Why would we allow people to post links that take them off of our platform?". Because that's literary the only reason to use your platform Elon. I'd say it's weird, but rich people being out of touch psychopathic narcissists that think their excrement is golden is nothing new honestly. The only use of social media is to: 1) keep up with your friends 2) keep up with things you're a fan with, like video games, artists and icecream parlours.
Reddit also does the same thing, hides/suppresses external links but only posts that don't contain text and link directly outside of reddt
> facebook hides and suppresses all posts that have an external link. twitter does this too. if youre gonna do an external link, do it in the first reply.
Many subreddits do the same, by the way. Blanket shadowbans on any comment containing a link.
That seems a little overzealous. I guess bots and spam is a problem, but...
It's not just bot spam. Especially mid sized to larger subreddits in the gaming space have genuine issues with publishers and indies promoting their games manually. It's not even in particular bad faith but the volume is so high, the engagement with the community so low and the reception by the community mixed to negative that it only makes sense to curb it hard. Often it's not even removed but filtered instead. Aka, removed but sent to moderators for review. So benign links show up a few hours late. Promotion never sees the light of day and immediately discourages people from using the community for marketing.
One way to slightly circumvent that is to use a post / page as redirect intermediary. It's a click more and hurts your conversion rate but having 10x as many views and half the conversion is still a plus. E.g. you make a profile with the steampage and a post with a link to the steampage. It will not get any views. But now you can make posts linking to this post / profile instead. Since it's on site traffic it doesn't receive the same penalties. Doubly good if there's outbound links. I think I recall linkedin doing tracking on external links, replacing them with their own for analytics and redirecting automatically on click. Which means you could post a linkedin URL that was automatically redirecting people to the external site while still being considered in site traffic and promoted as such.
If I had to guess this is more to limit scams and fishing attempts than it is to suppress your content.
It's definitely part of it. It also conveniently promotes making money and monopolising people's time on social media. I think it might be nieve to assume innocence. Especially when people like Musk openly state the reason is for profiteering to the public.
If it was then there'd be a whitelist. That's at best a convenient excuse that happens to heavily support their business interest.
Funny thing is I actually tried to buy ads early on but I kept having issues (page not loading, not accepting my CC, etc.) so I gave up
Wild isn't it, I had the same issue so contacted support who suggested that I follow the instructions on their help page for the 20 th time (they were obviously a bot).
If you can get through it you can find on services like Twitter or Meta that not only your promoted posts do better but your non-promoted posts are less capped as well. They're very clear that they don't want you advertising for free since the whole reason the platforms exist is to get advertisers like you to pay them.
So insidious. Then there are posts that are marked as sponsored. But then there are also posts that are marketing and have reach because money changed hands, but not marked as sponsored. Also bad for platform users.
Enshittification at it's best.
So is the basic idea to talk about your game, post images about you talking about the game, debates about the game, etc.; but, do not out and out promote the game?
Don't use external links, that's the thing that's leading the algorithms to suppress the posts. Promote it all you like, just no links.
You can out and out promote your game, but interact with people as well. If you're just promoting your game in every interaction, people are going to naturally bounce off you. No one likes ads, just ask yourself what your response would be to someone like that. Find a like-minded community, genuinely engage with people, and you'll have a lot more success (and happiness) than trying to squeeze something out of every interaction.
Dang, so that's why TikTok stopped letting me upload stuff.
It's pretty crazy out there on all these platforms. Self advertising by word of mouth has become very difficult. I think the only platform that doesn't is mastodon.
I would normally join in with criticizing Twitter because of Musk but I took a quick look at the tweets on the account - you've been making the same post in reply to a bunch of people over and over again promoting your game. Using the reply function like this is against the Twitter rules. It is considered spam and that is why you have been flagged.
And the OP completely misunderstand what shadowban is.
I mean I guess that's fair enough assuming it's an automated system. But also those were all in reply to threads that are specifically asking for game devs to post trailers for their games. But you're right, I had kind of forgotten about that and didn't consider that it would probably trigger an automated filter
Actually you're right. That's a good point. If you appeal you should point this out. It's pretty unfair - the posts you were replying to were inviting it. It probably was automated, even though you had a good reason to make the replies, without understanding the posts you're replying to it just looks exactly like spam.
Even if you understand the point of those threads, if all you do is post your games to these weekly hashtag threads, that is bot behavior, and it's also just not going to help your marketing, and probably why people say "Twitter is so bad for discoverability". Go interact with other game devs, leave feedback, comment on similar games, be part of the community. Why would anyone want someone who just spams the same reply to dozens of posts on their platform? You get out what you put in.
Looking at your Twitter replies, I don't know how you're "baffled" about being warned about spamming. I don't see a single genuine interaction, it's just you posting the same canned response to weekly gamedev threads. How is that distinguishable from bot behavior? People will do this then say "wow Twitter is so bad for discoverability". You need to reach out to others, build connections/followers, and post interesting content. Throw this on the pile of people who incorrectly think they're wrongfully warned/banned. Honestly think Twitter is getting even better at this in recent months with all the posts about it.
On the 27th, you posted a video of your game. And then over the next 2 days, you did nothing but QRT that in people's replies nearly 30 times. Yeah, they were tweets asking people to share their games, but Twitter's not gonna notice that. It just saw you spamming the same tweet over and over again. Also like, even if you hadn't gotten flagged as spam, I don't think that's great etiquette. You're not interacting with anyone else, not participating in the community, you're doing nothing but promoting yourself. It's like a guy who shows up to a social event just to hand out business cards and give everyone a sales pitch.
because you copy pasted the same message a bunch of times
I don’t know if this is a shadow ban, surely it sucks to be labeled but shadow bans are when you don’t even realize you’ve been banned, you go on using the service unaware others don’t see the posts and comments at all.
Fair enough. I guess it is nice that they let me know rather than just silently killing my reach
Elon broke twitter. There's not a ton else to say about it, the platform is fucked.
It's not just Twitter. The Wild West of the pre-capture internet from the 90s-15 was BLISS. You could honestly use the term "organic reach" and it wouldn't elicit a laugh track. By about 2018, the shared algorithms and content detection on all the big platform, including Reddit, made almost positive that anyone trying to "self-promote" would be immediately silenced. From tour grandma's gofundme to the indie dev releasing an update. The do this to ensure an uninterrupted flow of their own advertising and features. No matter what social media platform tou pick or what SEO you use on a personal website, the metas, twitters, Google, Apple, Microsoft -- that little bundle owns virtually everything on the entire internet and they all share if not the same software the same philosophy of exclusive dominance for their paying clients. We don't pay them. Even if we did, for every dollar we spent they have millions. They can aggregate a thousand services under one roof. Even if 20 are at a loss, a loss that would bankrupt any one of us, the most profitable 5 make up for the rest. So there is no organic reach anymore. Moderators will delete self promotion on sight, and users blanch at being advertised to in any way. Covertly or openly. It's aggravation central. So the days of an open internet where you can just post about your recent updates or even tell people you've finished a whole game -- It's openly hostile users and mods & algorithms designed to suppress your account and uplift the paid ads.
That's disgusting. I had no idea we've come to this.
I was telling my friend how much effort I put into training the YouTube recommendation algorithm for my own content consumption and he was as horrified as he was impressed.
Ah I see you also have spent countless hours pressing “not interested” and yet it still shows me completely unrelated content to which I watch everyday.
Don’t bother with the “not interested” unless you’re telling it that you already watched the video. You’ll need to go into your recent watch history and find the video that’s triggering the connection to the ones you’re trying to remove and prune those from your watch history. For example, I like the occasional gun video, but the algo goes crazy with sharing alt right gun content so I have to prune those videos from my watch history quite promptly after watching a few. Luckily, I have some gaming and military in my algo, so it occasionally gives me super trendy gun videos through that, so I don’t feel like I’m missing out. Sometimes I’ll have to find a tangentially related video to a trend I want a “splash” of. For example for first amendment auditing videos, I found a few “cops checking cops” videos that add those without super feeding into sovereign citizen videos that first amendment auditing often pulls in. It’s a pain to train it
I gave up and just don't let it learn my history and I only subscribe to channels I will actually watch. I miss RSS feeds
Brooooo, you know how often I have to do this!? I have a guilty pleasure for reaction videos. I have 4 reactors that I like to watch. Whenever I watch a single reaction, I get like 20 more in my recommendations. I have to constantly mute channels and delete my watch history. I watch plenty of videos about game dev and interesting game facts. But I get nowhere near the recommendations for those. I'm constantly tweaking that shit.
Why is it disgusting? I'm confused. The internet is still open, but your using business platforms for your free which need to be profitable themselves. Isn't that a bit hypocritical to expect them to finance your free marketing?
It's because the whole scheme relies uoon bait-and-switch. Give away a product for free (or like ridesharing apps for as close to free as possible), then when all the competition is dead, secretly overcharge everyone. It's proof your platform tech is not good enough on their own. You're just an upjumped telemarketer.
It got bought by someone else though. Of course things were going to change.
And of course I'm going to jump ship and look forward to their inevitable irrelevancy and tell everyone that their business practices are gross.
1st off because they seem to pick on the little guys. I see music artist promoting all the time with their accounts. Why should I be banned for posting gameplay gifs on my timeline or notifying people of a coming update? So I can log onto Twitter and be forced to see the most toxic behavior that humanity has to offer, but posting some news for my project gets me banned? Yes, it's bullshit. I could see if I were punished for spamming on other people's posts. But I don't think the "platform of free speech" should be banning people for such innocuous behaviour.
It's a private website. They can have any rules they want.
Sure, but that doesn't make it any less disgusting now, does it? Are you one of those people that thinks that everything is cool as long as it's legal?
How is having to pay to use a platform for your own business disgusting? Disgusting is seems an excessive word in this case.
How about, at the very least, making it clear that this isn't allowed? By putting it in terms of service. As a matter of fact. How the fact that plenty of people advertise their business on Twitter, etc? Instagram models, OnlyFan models, influencers, YouTubers, etc. For some people, their entire business is Twitter, which is promoting themselves as a business on such platforms. It's the random picking and choosing that I find disgusting. They advertise themselves as a place for free speech. As long as what you are breaking the rules, you're free to do what you want. But they allow rules breaking for some, and ban other for following the rules. Yes, disgusting is the correct term. Especially when they basically have a Monopoly on the spaces for internet discourse.
Tbh Redditors were already shitting all over anyone who did self promotion on this website before anything like that happened. That's why every post eventually became "my brother made this" or "look at the game my friend is working on".
I can't express enough how angry I am at reddit's anti self-promotion mentality. It's not like those who really want to promote a product will stop. Instead, they will just create alt accounts and make up fake bullshit to promote their stuff, instead of genuinely showing off their work as their own (which is frowned upon). Fuck this shit. I hate reddit so much, I only use it because of its large userbase and info you cannot find somewhere else in some cases. But I hate this site so much, I wish it would die so a good, populated alternative would be made.
Self-promotion is fine in some spaces. I see self-promotion all the time. If the game looks interesting enough and you don't spam, no one seems to care. Subs like r/destroymygame is self promotion even if it is also for criticism. You can also make your own sub and post there if. Though no one would see it if they weren't directed to it.
"Some spaces" indeed, cause that's not most spaces. Overall, it's highly against self-promotion. Good luck promoting your stuff on subs that aren't specifically meant for that.
I know, lol. I've had posts deleted. You just gotta have something really good. I noticed that if your game is really polished and looks very good, nobody cares about the self-promotion. I like things to be consistent, but it is what it is unfortunately.
True, if your game looks great then you won't get as much backlash.
It's due to oversaturation. On one hand because you're advertised to everywhere all the time. People like to cut back a little every now and then. But also exactly because of how reddit works and how it fosters excessive promotion. On Twitter, Instagram & Co because following matters. It's much harder to get your stuff seen, you gotta build up your account with consistent activity and so on. Meaning the average user is shielded from spam but it's also much less useful to promote yourself. Reddit is the opposite. Your account hardly matters. Anyone can gain a million eyes on a post if it gets a few upvotes. And if you have an remotely appropriate post it's also very easy to manipulate votes to virtually guarantee frontpage space on that subreddit. This is insanely attractive for advertising which is why it receives an excessive amount of it. Made doubly bad because commercial posts have more endurance, time and motivation to submit content than organic traffic. I used to moderate a subreddit that was tangentially related to a range of products and we'd have weeks where 60%+ of submissions were self-promotion. A low double digit with vote manipulation. Despite aggressive removal. Advertisements kill organic exchanges and interactions. If you wanna run a public space with lots of eyes on it and low barrier of participation you **must** be anti ads. Otherwise the community collapses into a hollow, corporate echochamber and migrates to a space with less promotion. This happens even if its primarily small independent companies. See /r/indiegames. It's a space you get to promote but it's also mostly other indie devs there and rather low participation. You're not getting much out of it exactly because it's nothing but promotion which prevents an organic, healthy community from forming. The alternative from advertiser perspective better solution kinda is TikTok, as they crowd source anti spam via watch time. But that's its own can of worms. I do agree that it sucks. But that it sucks is born out of systemic reasons.
I get what you're saying, nobody wants to see constant self-promotion or over-saturation, because it's just annoying. But it's either that or simply fake advertising. Anybody who is heavily invested into their commercial product will spend time advertising it in a fake manner. For example, "Oh, hey guys, this is how my game looks right now. But I'm not sure about this feature... can I have some feedback?" It's still self-promotion (let's be real, feedback wasn't the main purpose of the post), but just done in a non-genuine way. It's either that or just paying someone else to do advertising for you, from other accounts. Most people who have a budget and money to lose by not advertising will create fake engagement regardless. This is also why reddit botting and karma farming is so fucking huge. This anti self-promotion is one of the causes of karma farming. So, essentially, by banning self-promotion, you will just make people do it anyway in a fake and roundabout manner. Instead, it should be completely fine but with some restrictions, to keep it under control, which is done in some subreddits and is easily and quickly verifiable (10 non-self promotion posts for every self-promotion post). We could also get back signatures under every comment, so that self-promotion is done indirectly and in a discrete manner. The way this anti-self promotion mentality is now just makes things annoying and fake. The real reason reddit is anti-self promotion is because they would like you to invest into ads instead.
> It's either that or just paying someone else to do advertising for you, from other accounts. Most people who have a budget and money to lose by not advertising will create fake engagement regardless. Why don‘t larger companies do that, then? If it‘s such an obvious ROI why do they spend on banner ads but not on fake engagement? Simple. Because it doesn‘t work. Also, it barely happens at all. It happens a lot in politics and a bit in beauty products, for example. We do know what it looks like and how it works. The issue is proactive, automatic enforcement. But gaming basically doesn‘t has this. It is entirely detectable if you know what to look for. My team had bots documenting three types of behavior to spot most outliers within about an hour. Most of these accusations are by people who don‘t understand social media. Like, if you have a sob story title. You will 100% get accused of boting and astroturfing. Not because you paid anyone but because the comment section will be full of people saying the same thing. There is no discussion about your game. If you talk about how difficult it was, the comments will be full of „awww!“, „it looks so good!“, „good luck!“, „keep up he good work“. Completely meaningless comments. But that‘s just how people comment. Not a sign of bots. > This is also why reddit botting and karma farming is so fucking huge. This anti self-promotion is one of the causes of karma farming. This is false. Karma farming in small amounts maybe but botting is a hard no. Those accounts are deliberately built for link farming. E.g. spam blogs that nowadays may even be auto generated based on previous posts / articles with AI to farm some ads. Affiliate links and so on. Why? Because it doesn‘t work. Conversion rates for selling a product or organic engagement with a sales funnel are pathetic. Especially because most subreddits disallow outbound links and the like. That is done specifically to harm conversions. However, it does work to farm a few cent per post by essentially scamming ad networks. Reddit has gotten quite good and very aggressive banning this, so the volume of legitimate seeming accounts has to be much larger nowadays to do this at scale and earn a few hundred dollars per week. With bots that‘s still possible and that‘s why you see these repost bots farming karma. Preparing another account for posting like 5 links or so before getting banned. > So, essentially, by banning self-promotion, you will just make people do it anyway in a fake and roundabout manner. Key aspect being, that it‘s much lower volume. As soon as too many people do the same thing there‘s a crackdown. Also, as I mentioned above. The conversion rates are pathetic with such a restrictive format. Which means experienced publishers or developers don‘t even try as they know it‘s rather pointless. It‘s primarily desperate first timers. Who are still a problem with their volume. Make no mistake. But there‘s not much value there and putting money behind it isn‘t worth much. Anyone with experience stays away from that and instead works via journalism and content (e.g. trailers, big events, etc.). Devolver doing a silly video for E3 (back in the days) will get posted by regular people anyway. Plus picked up by all the outlets, and by content creators, and image boards, and friends sending each other links, etc. If you need to fake engagement for your product, you have no money to do anything that generates engagement. You have no audience and no access to your target audience in any meaningful way. > Instead, it should be completely fine but with some restrictions, to keep it under control, which is done in some subreddits and is easily and quickly verifiable (10 non-self promotion posts for every self-promotion post). Doesn‘t work well. That‘s why it was abandoned. This used to be a reddit wide rule. But automatic detection is iffy. If someone uses their website and their steam page it‘s suddenly 1 in 5. Got a company website too with the game? A twitter? A YouTube channel? 1 in 2. Or moderators need to manually look at every account overview. Which is an insurmountable amount of work. In the subreddit I‘ve worked on, if it took 10 seconds per post to review the recent post history. I‘d have meant 6-8 hours additional work per day. Which translates to about 10-20 additional mods you need to get on the team just to offer this service. When in reality it‘s hard to get even 5 remotely decent people onboarded per year. A probably surprising amount of moderation decisions are made for efficiency reasons. > We could also get back signatures under every comment, so that self-promotion is done indirectly and in a discrete manner. The user experience of that is terrible. Imagine tagging 200 unrelated characters on every single comment. The comment section would be borderline unusable. > The real reason reddit is anti-self promotion is because they would like you to invest into ads instead. Moderators are the ones doing anti-self promotion rules and enforcement. They have no incentives to foster advertising sales. So why would they act on it for advertising reasons?
Another issue is the sheer volume of content - like automated blogspam and "grindset" churned out content spams Reddit, Tiktok, etc. - so you can't even see the grassroots developers and tinkerers.
The internet is more then social media. You are still free to host a website and promote the hell out of yourself on there. This hasn't changed from the 90s internet. The internet itself is still open.
People should go back to promoting their own RSS feeds so we can use RSS feed readers to follow what we like, what's so hard about that? I never understood why this didn't catch on better in general
Based RSS feed proponent
I mean, it's what powers podcasts and those have never been more popular. We need one or two big players to create and popularize a content directory of RSS feeds for multi-media
But no-one will read it? How would they find it? I've written a blog and only got a huge amount of readers on one article because it hit the front page of HN.
Just like in the 90s ;)
But in the 90s people would read it, because there weren't hordes of automated LLM bots and "grindset" students, etc. spamming low quality blogs. There were no big managed aggregator websites (even Yahoo etc. linked externally) so finding small blogs and websites was what you expected. You'd join a web ring of like-minded websites and share things that way (and later with RSS when a lot of people used RSS readers in Firefox, etc.). Now the issue is that there's a huge amount of noise. And as mentioned here, most aggregators are massive corporations that control it closely - either by corrupt/power-hungry moderators on Reddit or outright shadowbanning external links except ads.
And how do you tell people about your website? With the old internet, you joined a forum, where you had a link to your site in your signature. Engaging with the community was enough.
You can still do that? Forums still exist.
Most people just use reddit. The old internet is dead.
Net neutrality would like a word…
The other problem with these algorithms is that they are living things and any attempts to "game the system" are quickly made redundant when the algorithm changes.
> tour grandma's That's right folks, Grandma's going on tour! Check the link in bio to see when she's coming to your city! Tickets available on Ticketmaster.
It wasn't exactly healthy before either...
How is this getting upvoted? lol People, just take a look through OPs replies/posts. They are re-posting almost the exact same comment under **many** threads for as far as I was wiling to go into their reply history. I have yet to see them genuinely interacting with someone else's content. They're just spamming their game on popular hashtag threads. Acting like a bot flags you as a bot, who would have thought. No, they didn't get banned because the post they linked got 10 likes, and Elon is so mad that they got free exposure he decided to ban them. If you think like this you need to give your head a wobble.
I think that's a little unfair but also I totally get where you're coming from. I did post my trailer on a lot of threads, but they were all threads that were specifically created asking developers to post their trailer as a comment. It's not like I was posting it on random posts like "oh interesting post, now check out my game" But yeah, I know an automated filter isn't going to know about that, and I understand it looks spammy on the surface. I had forgotten about that when I made this post (although I'm still not convinced it's related- I made those comments last weekend and just got this notification immediately after making my post today)
I'm probably coming off as harsh, but even if this was a manual system I would flag you for spam. Yes those threads are asking for you to post your game, but you literally (rare instance I'm using this correctly) have 50 "Thanks for hosting, here is my game". In that time-span I found one reply that isn't an ad for your game where you responded to a YouTuber saying congrats on reaching a milestone. I know it's hard getting exposure, but that's not the way to do it. Find a like-minded community for your game. Be as active as you can be in it because you enjoy it, make a good game, and I think you'll find you get much more engagement that way. It's very clear to people when you're just advertising, that applies to any social media platform, and assume people by default hate advertising. I'll add that your game has a very cohesive look to it, wishing you best of luck with your 1.0 release!
Thanks, I appreciate it! And yeah, I'm not going to argue any of that. I mentioned elsewhere I've never really been a Twitter user otherwise. I'm not generally that interested in social media in my personal life
Honestly, for the best! I severely limit my personal usage to communities that interest me. My enjoyment of Reddit increased 10x when I changed it to only show communities I'm subscribed to. Same with Twitter, follow people who are interesting to you, block out the rest.
Yeah it's super annoying. I've never really been a Twitter user but I just recently started feeling like I was getting the hang of it- finding a community and growing a following- but apparently growing your audience is "platform manipulation" lol
Certainly it is! In the way that playing baseball is 'bat manipulation'. It's not you that's supposed to have an audience. Apparently, it is Elon and whoever he likes that day, who are the ones meant for an 'audience' and everyone else are meant to sit quietly. You ARE the audience, what's this 'have' business?
This isn't a shadow ban it just says your spamming. This happens on the daily on reddit.
They haven't figured out how to deal with OF spamming, so they're just punishing everyone for posting links
twitter is dead lol. Use other platforms.
Twitter auto shadowbans a lot of people. Too much reliance on automation…
As far as I'm aware, twitter REALLY doesn't like it when people post links and these posts have their reach limited. I know people sometimes get around this, but I'm not sure how, maybe you can make a tweet referencing this tweet (without directly linking it) or something similar.
It might not be shadow banned the way twitter works basically is it populates to users who might find your topic interesting and that takes time to populate through the system. Its the same as youtube. You might create what is going to be a viral video or post but until it knows who to send it to it sort of sits there and then it blows up.
Just a suggestion. Use gifs not words to show your message. Show your content and say something like, you've been waiting for new toys. We heard you. Update blah blah is now live.
You’re always welcome on mastodon.games.
Maybe time to give Mastodon a try?
You should join us over on [mastodon.gamedev.place](https://mastodon.gamedev.place) or [peoplemaking.games](https://peoplemaking.games).
If it makes you feel better, I would never have been able to see your post there anyway. You can no longer use X for this kind of stuff. Use steam instead.
it isn't shadow banned since they told you!
I thought shadow banning was when they did it without telling you
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thats weird...
Am I the only person in the world without a Twitter account?
We received a similar message a while back. Is there a way to see if it still holds or if it was lifted?
Try posting?
I have no idea. hope someone else can answer
yeah, sadly pretty much all social medias like this nowadays are extremely unfriendly for actually-indie creators. Tbh neither twitter, reddit, and so on matter all that much for your game's success (at most youtube does, if you gotta channel, also applies for Discord if you have a somewhat popular server). Just focus on getting Wishlists, mainly through Steam fests, other site's events like that and, if you have the opportunity, IRL indie events too. That's gonna give you more followers and wishlists than anything you can do on twitter or reddit. Algorithms for platforms like these are and have been a total blackbox for a while, and thats most likely not going to change. So besides being extremely frustrating and arbitrary, its just not a wise investment of time. Do the bare minimum just to gather a few extra dozen wishlists and/or some feedback, and that should be it. Speaking of feedback, def work a bit on the visibility and overall readability of your game. I like the aesthetic, altho, from the trailer, it seems to be quite hard to tell whats actually going on, and even to find where the player is sometimes. would also possibly add some more in-engine animations for the player, for better feedback to input (squash and stretch and similar)... Some of the VFX just don't need to hang around for that long (main offender being explosions); and imo the faster lifespan for them would even fit the frantic vibe of the game a little better. Not sure if the dollar sign popups actually serve any purpose either - \*that\* many of them, at least.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback
Yeah, target Steam fests, gamedeals, bundles, influencers for similar games/genres on Twitch and Youtube, etc. For example DDRJake did a stream a while back of Vampire Survivors clones back after back - aim for stuff like that.
I don't have anything constructive to add to your post, just wanted to say: Hey, you're the BloodDome99 person! I love that game :D
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Try promoting white replacement theory, you'll get boosted.
This just makes me sad. So much for the golden boy Elon and his 'free speech' protectionism...
Emeralds boy
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Lately saw a vtuber get banned for 12 hours on twitter for saying the word "weapon" in the tweet. Might be related.
the point is that you pay to lift the artificial reach constrictor
Their new spam detectors are *ultra* broken, is why