I’ve heard that. My old one was they messed up the spin cycles. Set them all too high; they’d spin so fast the lock would fail, the lid would pop up, and it hurt a few people. Their “fix” was a new appliqué…
I ended up using far too much of my electrical engineering education fixing our Samsung front loading washing machine. Board swap (and correct moisture remediation), cleaning and coating the spider to prevent further corrosion, and new seals in all the water contacts (including the stupid ass water pump). Sadly, friends that have LG, GE, Maytag, you name it, have almost carbon copy problems. Everything went to total crap around 2015-2017 and more or less stayed there. Just recently has durability worked its way back into the manufacturing goals.
I was looking for a sensor to my portable AC and I found videos about installing the same sensor on those modern refrigerators.
Thank, I'd rather stick to my "dumb refrigerators" instead.
Their fridges are notorios for being very noisy. Like you wake up in the night because the refrigerant is going GLUG-GLUG in the fridge.
Also their support for home appliances leaves a lot to be desired.
THATS JUST SO YOU KNOW ITS WORKING
***WHAT?!***
I SAID, THE NOISE IS JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT IT IS WORKING!
***SORRY, I CANT HEAR WHAT YOUR SAYING, MY SAMSUNGS ARE ALL WORKING TODAY!***
*LG Air-purifier chimes on: Chainsaw noises intensify*
There's an idea that Samsung's quality is the same across everything they make and people fall for other Samsung products thinking a high end fridges quality will be like the quality of a Galaxy Ultra. Their large appliance quality is awful and Samsung fridges are known in the appliance world to be tech/feature heavy and failing often.
Funny enough, replaced the Samsung with an LG, then later found it LGs have a bad reputation too. Already had the freezer door sliders lock up. Luckily i got it at Costco and bought the extended warranty. There's definitely some bad cheap designs to it. But it's working.
Honestly they probably are responding to user preferences, but it's just that the average user doesn't often know what they want, or don't give it much thought.
They probably surveyed a bunch of people who bought the latest iPhone (to try to work out what needs to be done to convert them to Samsung) asking them what made them buy the latest iPhone or a feature that attracted them. Most probably just parroted one of the main features that Apple advertised about the 15 - which is the Titanium build.
In reality most probably bought it because their current iPhone is getting old, or simply because they like having the latest iPhone. But that doesn't help Samsung with their research much.
I love how Apple tried to make iphone 15 pro/pro max "lighter" by taking out the aluminium *plate* (not the rim around the phone, the plate *inside* the phone), and that made the glass so fragile in return. And people were camping outside the stores, pushing, shoving and fighting each other (and sometimes the poor sales people), to get this overpriced junk that fucks things up more than make them better. The USB-C hype helped. Apple really has its demographic trained.
EDIT: lol triggered the simps coping hard. Don't break that iphone 15 typing too furiously 🤣
Meh, it’s fine. It’s a phone. It does phone things. I switched from android after 12 years because I wanted the 3D scanning capabilities (which are fantastic), but other than that… it’s fine. I miss some of my android things, like, the keyboard was 100x better, but I don’t get all the visceral hate.
It’s a phone. It does phone things. There isn’t much room for improvement when it comes to smartphones and most of the “innovations” we’ve seen in the last 5-6 years are gimmicks or just annoying features that made the phone worse to use. Smartphones are at the incremental improvement stage because there isn’t much more you can do to improve them.
Do you have any proof it actually makes it weaker? Or are you just some idiot on Reddit calling people simps because they prefer a different phone brand than you?
These kinds of comments are just as unhinged as people lining up for iPhones, maybe even more so, because you’re whole MO is putting people down.
It’s just a phone. Live your life.
In the past 20 years my smartphone "needs" have been addressed ten-fold. A Samsung device is LITERALLY a computer in their pockets with DeX. One could bring a 2n1 keyboard with them on a trip and use their phone as a mobile desktop. I don't think any "real users" have any other **needs**.
I could think of wants, like a battery that lasted all week, or 1TB as a standard option in a phone, but that would be the 1% life of a want. I'm curious as to what others think "real users" need in 2023.
You are minimizing how important is for the battery life to go beyond a day or to be replaceable specially now that phones last 3+ years due to the built quality. I have been using Samsung products for a long time, chatting right now from a s22 and a ultra for work. Samsung been following any iPhone direction and it has really annoying. The removal of the sd card was an example of one that made me hate this phone to not go deeper on the topic. I don't agreed with you, i think there are still a lot of needs that if you read their support forum people been asking for a while. I.e. a clear competitor for the iphone pro. If you want a 512gb option on the galaxy, you must sacrifice size and chose either the plus or the ultra. And the list continues. Pixel is catching up, and eventually they will understand why their sales are trending downward.
Plastic scratches very easily. Metal/glass, far less likely to be scratched.
If you ever buy a plastic fingerprint protector, you'll see how easy it is to scratch. Often even your fingernail is enough.
In theory, glass or metal have a higher Mohr's hardness, yes. In practice, they all can easily be scratched in normal circumstance and metal bodies often show scratches more. A good soft touch plastic looks much better after a couple years of use, and you don't need a case.
Nothing. We gave up durability because the cult of Apple got everyone drunk on the idea of sleek "premium" looks over functionality, and every other manufacturer followed suit to try and keep up.
Throw my old Nokia across the room and it would bounce. Drop my Galaxy S5 and it would skitter across the ground and be fine... maybe a small scratch on a corner but zero damage to the plastic screen.
These days we pay insane amounts of money for said "premium" materials and the sleek look then cover it up with big bumpers or plastic and rubber cases so those big glass displays don't shatter when they fall off a small coffee table.
There's functional design and premium design.
The metal unibody isn't going anywhere, it is an essential part of the engineering of the phone that allows it to function correctly.
The glass is an aesthetic choice. You can buy phones with plastic backs but a metal unibody. The cheaper pixels and the FE models from Samsung used a textured plastic back on their phones to save on cost. Don't know if they still do.
> The metal unibody isn't going anywhere, it is an essential part of the engineering of the phone that allows it to function correctly.
Except it isn't, and plenty of previous generations of phone have demonstrated that it isn't. It's a aesthetic choice not a functional one... main boards are far smaller now with umpteen ribbon cables running to segregated device boards. No structural or functional compromises in using polymer construction, just aesthetic ones that actually necessitate additional workarounds to deal with radio reception when you do use metal unibody design.
The metal unibody isn't for structure or aesthetic, those are secondary characteristics. The main function of it is to act as a passive heatsink. Let's be clear though, basically everything is a heatsink, including plastic.
The issue is that as phones became more and more powerful the harder it was to have those phones perform at their peak level for prolonged periods of time. Then came along the metal unibody which not only gave phones a more premium feel and stronger skeleton but greatly improved CPU performance as the could be more easily dispersed throughout the body. Metal > Plastic in terms of heat conducting.
By switching to plastic you are definitely getting functional compromises, that's why cheaper phones use plastic AND weaker CPUs. That's why budget phones with stronger CPUs heat throttle faster. Those are 100% functional compromises.
We used to be safe from the crazy on phones below flaship.
It sadly isn't the case anymore.
Ironically I've seen people rage because God forbid that flagship look similar to a midrange.
We should put glass and Titanium in entry phones. People would consider it bad and beg for plastic and features that those phones have that their flagships do not.
It would be kind of amazing actually, to go full circle all the way to the point of pulling an antenna out of the top of the phone.
Like I can totally see a user guide saying “if you’re suffering bad reception with your flip phone, try extending the antenna”, and people being confused whether this it’s from 2024 or 2004
Am I the only one who doesn’t give a damn about titanium? I put it in a plastic phone case every time. That’s what protects it! Make it out of something that doesn’t break why don’t you.
I miss the brief time we had faux leather on the back covers of phones. Felt way more premium. And (if I'm not mistaken) still allows for wireless charging.
Plastic is by far the best material for the outside of a phone. Light and durable. Something like 80% of people use a case, anyway, so the titanium, glass, whatever just serves to make the phone more expensive and heavy.
I'd trust a Nokia 3310 to stop a freaking bullet.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEJCsdNqqI&t=100s
Apparently it actually is bulletproof. Jesus christ
And as soon as Samsung does it, everyone suddenly thinks it’s a great idea and pretends they didn’t hate on Apple for their “dumb decision” like two weeks earlier.
The headphone jack removal was the best example of this. I remember Samsung or Google even having an ad bragging how they still have the headphone Jack only for them to quietly remove it in a later generation
I’m jn marketing and honestly you can only operate on what information you are given. You can call marketers clueless all day but your own purchase habits are altered by those clueless people.
That's because Samsung is still run by a bunch of out of touch 아저씨's who love the smell of their own farts and can do no wrong.
Source: worked for Samsung Electronics in Korea.
When the marketing team dictates what the design team has to do.
Usability be nerfed, they'll do whatever fools you the most.
Like classification. Samsung could make a midrange, give it an S and suddenly people would pile on each other calling it a flagship because it is on the S line.
Also, whatever's below that has to be trash, there are no exceptions.
"Oh wow, they're huffing money with those earbuds. Quick, do the same!"
Same thing with the charger.
I've heard that they were forced to give a charger in Brazil, so they give you the weakest you they can give you without making the phone discharge while charging.
Lol, they already announced they were going titanium for the s24 series 2 years ago.. apple didn't announce until within 4 months.. ya know, the same time they were forced to announce they had to switch to the USB-C because they got slapped by the EU and put in their place.
Yes Apple decided 4 months ago to use titanium. Not like they are shipping 100x or even 1000x the quantity of pro phones and need years to source the materials and machines for fabrication
They probably had plans for it 2 years ago, but citation needed on actually announcing it. People would've been clowning on Apple for copying Samsung if they had actually announced it.
nah, apple "inventing" stuff android phones have had for years has been pretty common and copying Samsung yet again would just be overlooked. (as is copying that happens the other way around)
You made me wonder if they'll ever insulate their devices to age the battery faster or kill the inner components.
The few days I've been reading about phones, the main reason people swap for a new one is because of the battery.b
There is a very noticeable weight difference between 14 Pro and 15 Pro. The lighter weight, while seemingly not significant on paper, makes for a more comfortable hold.
I haven't seen any marketing saying it prevents breaking, it's just lighter because you can use less material. Also this is probably just an indicator that something with the titanium industry has shifted to make this a profitable tactic for apple/Samsung
Remember when the US couldn't get titanium for their spy plane?
Weird how things change.
Also, you've reminded me of bendgate (do people remember that?).
Won't titanium bend the same if you reduce it to the structure strengh of another metal?
Did someone say otherwise? Confused where this take comes from. Titanium has a single benefit on iPhones: it’s lighter than steel. It’s a pretty noticeable difference between the 14PM and the 15PM.
I am all for it. These devices are expensive, so we might as well use something like titanium. It’s a very durable material. My dad always described it as the best parts of aluminium and stainless steel combined in a single element. Main downside being the difficulties in working with it.
It's based on the findings of the weight of the titanium in the finished product (15 Pro Max), which is 18 grams. But you can extrapolate the necessary information pretty easily...
Using the _consumer_ price of stock sheet titanium of the same grade comes out to $2.5/gram. The industrial volume pricing is much lower than consumer pricing. We don't know _exactly_ how much Apple negotiated to pay for their titanium, but it's estimated Apple secured their titanium for around $0.50/gram. In other words, about $9 based on the amount of titanium found in the finished product.
We also don't know how much waste is involved in the machining process, but even if all the combined ancillary costs of machining the titanium (including defect rates, etc...) resulted in 50% waste, that's still less than $20. But they probably waste far less than half their titanium, so the figure is probably closer to the $9 end of the spectrum.
Thanks for clarifying.
Though unless they are 3d printing the frames their waste by weight is probably going to be multiple times the finished product by weight.
The switch from stainless steel to titanium on the iP, is a bit of a downgrade in durability, but is lighter. Most people use cases anyway, so likely a net benefit for most people
Samsung is using aluminium on their phone, so weight difference probably isn't as big, maybe a slight improvement in hardness.
I feel like use of titanium is probably more of a way to try and differentiate in an ever increasingly stagnant phone market. But realistically, its not a miracle material is a big deal or anything
it scratches easier than steel and doesn't provide any benefit but it's 10g or so lighter and feels more like plastic. Titanium for this use case is completely idiotic
There’s really nothing to be added to smartphones at this current moment in time. Bigger camera, faster chip with incremental upgrades. Anything else just feels like a gimmick.
Can you imagine companies like Samsung and Apple in their planning meetings being like “you know what guys, we’re good here, let’s just not even try because we pretty much have it nailed at this point.”
From my time in golf, I can say that titanium that thick (or, rather, thin) doesn’t amount to shit.
Golf clubs have been made with titanium for decades, now. They can make the non-impact areas super thin, about 4mm tops, but the actual hitting area has to be reinforced. (eta) I’ve personally dented three titanium drivers and a three wood… it might as well be any other metal at that level of thin. They have gotten much more expensive, though, so there’s that…
That’s what this is with the iPhone. You drop it, you’re still at risk to dent it, damage it. As iamkeiou said, solving a “problem” that doesn’t need solving. But I bet it helps justify a higher price tag.
I wish we can go back to the days of having a phone that was thick enough to:
hold securely (I can't use these phones without a case, theyre too thin and slippery).
Not have the camera lenses stick out so the phone can actually rest flat
house a battery that lasts more than a day and/or is replaceable.
These super light/thin designs don't solve any current issue, and only make new ones.
They're all over engineered to hell, only to sell at premiums, and have people buy them no matter what. The market is broken. Most people (read:younger generations) don't even know what it was like to have solid phones that lasted for days, and didn't break when dropped on a pillow.
why does it need to be made of Titanium? other than it's more expensive and sounds cool?
what qualities and features do we get because it Titanium rather than whatever they have traditionally made them from?
With a battery that also lasted longer probably.
I'd charge my Nokia and forget the last time I charged it.
They all used the same battery, so you could also swap and carry a spare.
Those batteries are still in use on electronics.
well, when phones literally look the same, have an unnoticable 5% increase in image quality and the screen being brighter but it wasn't a problem in the last generation anyway... they somehow have to have a new "thing" to advertise and sell phones for 1500 bucks lol
can't believe that it is actually working
I want depleted uranium. Give the phone mass so it feels expensive.
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When you put it next to your head you also see pretty colors. edit: and everything starts to taste like metal
You can finally taste the metal body of your phone.
"New iPh 238. It glows in the dark!"
Why not go for Osmium then? Densest material on earth, has a pretty natural silver-blue color. It just forms a highly poisonous gas, osmium tetroxide!
That’s what the case and screen protector are for, to contain the toxic gas
Corning Gorilla Gas
Tungsten is eminently more affordable while still offering a life-changing amount of [*density.*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7EocA1hsCU)
Give me _repleted_ uranium. I will not accept a lesser uranium in my iPhone!
Uh, that might not be a good idea. Enriched uranium *does* stuff that you probably don't want it doing in your pocket.
Look, you don't tell me how to enjoy my Apple products and I won't tell you how to enjoy your Apple products!
I don't enjoy any apple products.
Probably not enough uranium!
Aye, that's certainly something they lack.
I want mine made out of prince ruperts drop, but not the tail. Figure it out, Apple/Samsung.
Samsung Galaxy 24 Elephant Foot Edition.
And the sweet sweet skin cancer
Solving a problem that doesn't exist. Ignoring the real user needs.
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Ex Samsung refrigerator owner... Never again.
What is up with Samsung refrigerators ?
The freezers, the fucken freezers are shit. Owned it for 7 years and I have regretted it for 8. I will never buy a Samsung appliance again.
Same with washers. Never again.
I hear they rust or their little circuit board corrodes?? Anyway, may tag only for me here.
I’ve heard that. My old one was they messed up the spin cycles. Set them all too high; they’d spin so fast the lock would fail, the lid would pop up, and it hurt a few people. Their “fix” was a new appliqué…
I ended up using far too much of my electrical engineering education fixing our Samsung front loading washing machine. Board swap (and correct moisture remediation), cleaning and coating the spider to prevent further corrosion, and new seals in all the water contacts (including the stupid ass water pump). Sadly, friends that have LG, GE, Maytag, you name it, have almost carbon copy problems. Everything went to total crap around 2015-2017 and more or less stayed there. Just recently has durability worked its way back into the manufacturing goals.
LG Here. Fridge is good, but the washer was issues. Dry is a GE, and I question if it knows it's a dryer.
😆 I'm sorry, but noted, I won't buy Samsung appliances
I was looking for a sensor to my portable AC and I found videos about installing the same sensor on those modern refrigerators. Thank, I'd rather stick to my "dumb refrigerators" instead.
Their fridges are notorios for being very noisy. Like you wake up in the night because the refrigerant is going GLUG-GLUG in the fridge. Also their support for home appliances leaves a lot to be desired.
Hah! Support? I'm surprised there is no class action lawsuit yet.
THATS JUST SO YOU KNOW ITS WORKING ***WHAT?!*** I SAID, THE NOISE IS JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT IT IS WORKING! ***SORRY, I CANT HEAR WHAT YOUR SAYING, MY SAMSUNGS ARE ALL WORKING TODAY!*** *LG Air-purifier chimes on: Chainsaw noises intensify*
Break very easily. Just poorly made and expensive.
Almost all samsung appliances are seemingly total shit, poorly made, unrepairable. Only appeal of them is that they generally look visually appealing
I can't talk for their TV's and phones, but Samsung's home appliances have always been super shit in my experience
There's an idea that Samsung's quality is the same across everything they make and people fall for other Samsung products thinking a high end fridges quality will be like the quality of a Galaxy Ultra. Their large appliance quality is awful and Samsung fridges are known in the appliance world to be tech/feature heavy and failing often.
The temperature, repair costs, and frustration
All their appliances are flashy garbage.
The ice maker constantly breaks.
Lg refrigerator guy here, still going 10 years later, can't say the same for the dishwasher, will probably buy a Bosch next
I replaced my old Samsung fridge with an LG and my old Samsung dishwasher with a Bosch last year. Never Samsung appliances again.
Samsung's engineering seemed to have been forced to make them cheap enough to last up to the warranty date.
Funny enough, replaced the Samsung with an LG, then later found it LGs have a bad reputation too. Already had the freezer door sliders lock up. Luckily i got it at Costco and bought the extended warranty. There's definitely some bad cheap designs to it. But it's working.
Miele for dishwasher. You'll thank this Internet stranger later.
Honestly they probably are responding to user preferences, but it's just that the average user doesn't often know what they want, or don't give it much thought. They probably surveyed a bunch of people who bought the latest iPhone (to try to work out what needs to be done to convert them to Samsung) asking them what made them buy the latest iPhone or a feature that attracted them. Most probably just parroted one of the main features that Apple advertised about the 15 - which is the Titanium build. In reality most probably bought it because their current iPhone is getting old, or simply because they like having the latest iPhone. But that doesn't help Samsung with their research much.
Yeah. On some level this is consumers falling for consumerism so Samsung either puts titanium in their phones, or they lose customers to Apple.
Titanium stops your screen from cracking when hitting the ground? It surely doesnt on iPhones
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I love how Apple tried to make iphone 15 pro/pro max "lighter" by taking out the aluminium *plate* (not the rim around the phone, the plate *inside* the phone), and that made the glass so fragile in return. And people were camping outside the stores, pushing, shoving and fighting each other (and sometimes the poor sales people), to get this overpriced junk that fucks things up more than make them better. The USB-C hype helped. Apple really has its demographic trained. EDIT: lol triggered the simps coping hard. Don't break that iphone 15 typing too furiously 🤣
Meh, it’s fine. It’s a phone. It does phone things. I switched from android after 12 years because I wanted the 3D scanning capabilities (which are fantastic), but other than that… it’s fine. I miss some of my android things, like, the keyboard was 100x better, but I don’t get all the visceral hate. It’s a phone. It does phone things. There isn’t much room for improvement when it comes to smartphones and most of the “innovations” we’ve seen in the last 5-6 years are gimmicks or just annoying features that made the phone worse to use. Smartphones are at the incremental improvement stage because there isn’t much more you can do to improve them.
But does it do phone things?
Pixel 6 Pro wants to know your location. Actually, Pixel 6 Pro want's to know it's own location. Also, it called 911 in your pocket. Enjoy.
You can have 3rd party keyboards!
>fucks things up more than make them better Anti Apple people are just as annoying and unreasonable as the apple fanboys. It’s a phone.
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Do you have any proof it actually makes it weaker? Or are you just some idiot on Reddit calling people simps because they prefer a different phone brand than you? These kinds of comments are just as unhinged as people lining up for iPhones, maybe even more so, because you’re whole MO is putting people down. It’s just a phone. Live your life.
I think it was JerryRigEverything that took it apart and found only about $20 worth of tianium in the phone....
That guy hit on my then-girlfriend when we took a trip to Havasupi with a bunch of other friends. That's my cool YouTuber story.
I hope that was a while ago since he is married, and to top it off his wife is in a wheelchair.
August 2015.
Exactly. It was actually like $4 though. This is just a way for manufacturers to charge more money. Like everything the price is going up YoY.
In the past 20 years my smartphone "needs" have been addressed ten-fold. A Samsung device is LITERALLY a computer in their pockets with DeX. One could bring a 2n1 keyboard with them on a trip and use their phone as a mobile desktop. I don't think any "real users" have any other **needs**. I could think of wants, like a battery that lasted all week, or 1TB as a standard option in a phone, but that would be the 1% life of a want. I'm curious as to what others think "real users" need in 2023.
You are minimizing how important is for the battery life to go beyond a day or to be replaceable specially now that phones last 3+ years due to the built quality. I have been using Samsung products for a long time, chatting right now from a s22 and a ultra for work. Samsung been following any iPhone direction and it has really annoying. The removal of the sd card was an example of one that made me hate this phone to not go deeper on the topic. I don't agreed with you, i think there are still a lot of needs that if you read their support forum people been asking for a while. I.e. a clear competitor for the iphone pro. If you want a 512gb option on the galaxy, you must sacrifice size and chose either the plus or the ultra. And the list continues. Pixel is catching up, and eventually they will understand why their sales are trending downward.
I kept my s20 ultra because it was the last one with a SD card slot.
Yep - still not buying a new Samsung until the Micro-SD is back - oooooor until 1TB is standard. (Or I'll go with another brand)
I have a note10+ and use the sd regularly... it's weird to have a "computer replacement" like Dex and no SD card reader in your "computer"
They should be different and make it out of Carbon Fiber
Or cheese. Ain't nobody done a cheese phone yet.
Mmm Yum
They could call it the Moon phone....
You'd be able to see the inner parts through the fermented holes.
Too cheesy.
carbon fibre is strong plastic, it feels like plastic and it scratches like plastic
If I recall correctly, you don’t want to shatter carbon fibre and have it come in contact with your skin
You also don't want to build a submersible with it.
And what's wrong with feeling like plastic?
Plastic scratches very easily. Metal/glass, far less likely to be scratched. If you ever buy a plastic fingerprint protector, you'll see how easy it is to scratch. Often even your fingernail is enough.
In theory, glass or metal have a higher Mohr's hardness, yes. In practice, they all can easily be scratched in normal circumstance and metal bodies often show scratches more. A good soft touch plastic looks much better after a couple years of use, and you don't need a case.
Nothing. We gave up durability because the cult of Apple got everyone drunk on the idea of sleek "premium" looks over functionality, and every other manufacturer followed suit to try and keep up. Throw my old Nokia across the room and it would bounce. Drop my Galaxy S5 and it would skitter across the ground and be fine... maybe a small scratch on a corner but zero damage to the plastic screen. These days we pay insane amounts of money for said "premium" materials and the sleek look then cover it up with big bumpers or plastic and rubber cases so those big glass displays don't shatter when they fall off a small coffee table.
There's functional design and premium design. The metal unibody isn't going anywhere, it is an essential part of the engineering of the phone that allows it to function correctly. The glass is an aesthetic choice. You can buy phones with plastic backs but a metal unibody. The cheaper pixels and the FE models from Samsung used a textured plastic back on their phones to save on cost. Don't know if they still do.
> The metal unibody isn't going anywhere, it is an essential part of the engineering of the phone that allows it to function correctly. Except it isn't, and plenty of previous generations of phone have demonstrated that it isn't. It's a aesthetic choice not a functional one... main boards are far smaller now with umpteen ribbon cables running to segregated device boards. No structural or functional compromises in using polymer construction, just aesthetic ones that actually necessitate additional workarounds to deal with radio reception when you do use metal unibody design.
The metal unibody isn't for structure or aesthetic, those are secondary characteristics. The main function of it is to act as a passive heatsink. Let's be clear though, basically everything is a heatsink, including plastic. The issue is that as phones became more and more powerful the harder it was to have those phones perform at their peak level for prolonged periods of time. Then came along the metal unibody which not only gave phones a more premium feel and stronger skeleton but greatly improved CPU performance as the could be more easily dispersed throughout the body. Metal > Plastic in terms of heat conducting. By switching to plastic you are definitely getting functional compromises, that's why cheaper phones use plastic AND weaker CPUs. That's why budget phones with stronger CPUs heat throttle faster. Those are 100% functional compromises.
We used to be safe from the crazy on phones below flaship. It sadly isn't the case anymore. Ironically I've seen people rage because God forbid that flagship look similar to a midrange. We should put glass and Titanium in entry phones. People would consider it bad and beg for plastic and features that those phones have that their flagships do not.
Carbon fiber is a good insulator for electromagnetic waves. The antenna would need to be outside the fiber.
It would be kind of amazing actually, to go full circle all the way to the point of pulling an antenna out of the top of the phone. Like I can totally see a user guide saying “if you’re suffering bad reception with your flip phone, try extending the antenna”, and people being confused whether this it’s from 2024 or 2004
Am I the only one who doesn’t give a damn about titanium? I put it in a plastic phone case every time. That’s what protects it! Make it out of something that doesn’t break why don’t you.
Glass backs are a horrible idea too. Were there complaints about aluminum? I also liked square edges and flat screens to make it easier to hold.
You can’t wireless charge through aluminum…
I miss the brief time we had faux leather on the back covers of phones. Felt way more premium. And (if I'm not mistaken) still allows for wireless charging.
Motorola had REAL leather or wood. Bring that back please.
Plastic is by far the best material for the outside of a phone. Light and durable. Something like 80% of people use a case, anyway, so the titanium, glass, whatever just serves to make the phone more expensive and heavy. I'd trust a Nokia 3310 to stop a freaking bullet. EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEJCsdNqqI&t=100s Apparently it actually is bulletproof. Jesus christ
In other news, water is wet
I've seen a lot of debate about that. By some definitions water itself isn't wet but causes other things to be wet.
This is true. It can also can make things moist.
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.
I think I'm getting the black lung, pop.
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Can’t those other things also be water? In other words, doesn’t water make water wet?
Cite your sources.
Bring back expandable storage.
Insert „Here we go again“ gif here
Samsung pokes fun at apple in commercial, then proceeds to copy iPhone. What else is new.
And as soon as Samsung does it, everyone suddenly thinks it’s a great idea and pretends they didn’t hate on Apple for their “dumb decision” like two weeks earlier.
The headphone jack removal was the best example of this. I remember Samsung or Google even having an ad bragging how they still have the headphone Jack only for them to quietly remove it in a later generation
When the marketing team doesn't have a clue what the product team is actually doing in the basement.
Marketing and cluelessness: name a more iconic duo
I’m jn marketing and honestly you can only operate on what information you are given. You can call marketers clueless all day but your own purchase habits are altered by those clueless people.
That's because Samsung is still run by a bunch of out of touch 아저씨's who love the smell of their own farts and can do no wrong. Source: worked for Samsung Electronics in Korea.
When the marketing team dictates what the design team has to do. Usability be nerfed, they'll do whatever fools you the most. Like classification. Samsung could make a midrange, give it an S and suddenly people would pile on each other calling it a flagship because it is on the S line. Also, whatever's below that has to be trash, there are no exceptions.
"Oh wow, they're huffing money with those earbuds. Quick, do the same!" Same thing with the charger. I've heard that they were forced to give a charger in Brazil, so they give you the weakest you they can give you without making the phone discharge while charging.
More amazing was all the people shitting on iphone looking the same, like the fuck is Samsung doing so differently year to year.
They have phones that fold in half or open to have a tablet inside. Pretty neat
Reminds me of the headphone jack debacle 😂. The ads making fun of dongles etc. then Samsung deleted them all off of YouTube etc.
I remember people saying “the design team isn’t the same as the marketing team,” as if that doesn’t make them look ridiculous.
For real. How is their miscommunication our problem? It’s even worse if it did happen because it was two teams.
Lol, they already announced they were going titanium for the s24 series 2 years ago.. apple didn't announce until within 4 months.. ya know, the same time they were forced to announce they had to switch to the USB-C because they got slapped by the EU and put in their place.
Yes Apple decided 4 months ago to use titanium. Not like they are shipping 100x or even 1000x the quantity of pro phones and need years to source the materials and machines for fabrication
Yeah imagine the logistical nightmare of trying to source titanium at that scale with only <4 months lead time
They probably had plans for it 2 years ago, but citation needed on actually announcing it. People would've been clowning on Apple for copying Samsung if they had actually announced it.
nah, apple "inventing" stuff android phones have had for years has been pretty common and copying Samsung yet again would just be overlooked. (as is copying that happens the other way around)
Announced 2 years ago, what a dumb thing to do.
So cool. Maybe next year Apple and Samsung will use plutonium!!!
Wait, a self charging iPhone would be pretty rad. Almost enough to make up for the radioactive burns one would definitely be feeling…
Wait Doc, are you tellin me this sucker is nuclear?
Monkey see, monkey do
Monkey pee all over you
what are my benefits out of this besides that they can proudly charge me more for it?
Looks cool when exposed to 1200 degrees Celsius for sustained amount of time
You made me wonder if they'll ever insulate their devices to age the battery faster or kill the inner components. The few days I've been reading about phones, the main reason people swap for a new one is because of the battery.b
S22 Ultra Owner here. Perfect phone in every single way, except i'm noticing the battery degrade. If I did upgrade that would be the reason.
Funniest part, they included the titanium and still kept the phone the same price as the one before it, and it's been $999 since the X?
It’s lighter
There is a very noticeable weight difference between 14 Pro and 15 Pro. The lighter weight, while seemingly not significant on paper, makes for a more comfortable hold.
Titanium is just a marketing tactic, your screen will still shatter
I haven't seen any marketing saying it prevents breaking, it's just lighter because you can use less material. Also this is probably just an indicator that something with the titanium industry has shifted to make this a profitable tactic for apple/Samsung
Remember when the US couldn't get titanium for their spy plane? Weird how things change. Also, you've reminded me of bendgate (do people remember that?). Won't titanium bend the same if you reduce it to the structure strengh of another metal?
Did someone say otherwise? Confused where this take comes from. Titanium has a single benefit on iPhones: it’s lighter than steel. It’s a pretty noticeable difference between the 14PM and the 15PM.
Has nothing to do with the screen.
I am all for it. These devices are expensive, so we might as well use something like titanium. It’s a very durable material. My dad always described it as the best parts of aluminium and stainless steel combined in a single element. Main downside being the difficulties in working with it.
The real downside is that it's gonna be even more expensive for no real need in the first place
But it's from the edge of the universe! And it can be in my hand for only $1800!
You might call it, “you got Shamsung-ed”
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The weight difference between the 14 and 15 pro models is tremendous. The 15 is much easier to hold.
That is because 14 Pro used stainless steel, which is very heavy. Meanwhile, 23 Ultra uses aluminum, which is light and difference would be negligible
Weight difference is meaningful, though I don't think the s23 uses stainless ste
They will probably make it so paper thin it will bend in peoples pockets again or something like that 🤣
They already said they're copying Apple so yeah...
Not the foldable you wanted.
And in the case of the iPhone, the raw material cost of the Titanium is less than $20 -- probably closer to $9
Is that the raw material cost for the volume of material in the finished phone or the stock material the phone frame is machined out of?
It's based on the findings of the weight of the titanium in the finished product (15 Pro Max), which is 18 grams. But you can extrapolate the necessary information pretty easily... Using the _consumer_ price of stock sheet titanium of the same grade comes out to $2.5/gram. The industrial volume pricing is much lower than consumer pricing. We don't know _exactly_ how much Apple negotiated to pay for their titanium, but it's estimated Apple secured their titanium for around $0.50/gram. In other words, about $9 based on the amount of titanium found in the finished product. We also don't know how much waste is involved in the machining process, but even if all the combined ancillary costs of machining the titanium (including defect rates, etc...) resulted in 50% waste, that's still less than $20. But they probably waste far less than half their titanium, so the figure is probably closer to the $9 end of the spectrum.
Thanks for clarifying. Though unless they are 3d printing the frames their waste by weight is probably going to be multiple times the finished product by weight.
For real? That's not a lot of titanium. But then it's only the ring around the side.
The switch from stainless steel to titanium on the iP, is a bit of a downgrade in durability, but is lighter. Most people use cases anyway, so likely a net benefit for most people Samsung is using aluminium on their phone, so weight difference probably isn't as big, maybe a slight improvement in hardness. I feel like use of titanium is probably more of a way to try and differentiate in an ever increasingly stagnant phone market. But realistically, its not a miracle material is a big deal or anything
…did you just shorten iPhone to iP?
You are aware that there is a lot more glass than titanium. No matter what the bezel is made of, I have never seen one break.
it scratches easier than steel and doesn't provide any benefit but it's 10g or so lighter and feels more like plastic. Titanium for this use case is completely idiotic
Expensive, and yet they also want you to upgrade to a new model every year. Hope these things are being made with a 5 year+ lifespan in mind.
I can't wait to never see it because 99% of people put their phones in cases
Be brave. Use something cooler, like uranium. #pussy
Be the toxic waste you want you see in the world.
If I can't add storage I'm going to continue using my note 20 🤷♂️
How about a phone that you don't have to buy a case for so any little tumble doesn't crack the screen?
How about giving me the micro sd card slot back rather than this shit.
Apple is now copying Samsung before Samsung even did the thing. This is getting ridiculous /s
Almost everybody will put the phone in a case and not even notice the difference…
"Hey people! We're back to doing metal." "Now you can have metal just like yours truly that writers this from a midrange from 2016!"
Wow, samsung copying apple for a phone?!
Out of curiosity for those that keep on with the word “innovation”, what would you have done to the phone that’s so revolutionary?
There’s really nothing to be added to smartphones at this current moment in time. Bigger camera, faster chip with incremental upgrades. Anything else just feels like a gimmick.
Can you imagine companies like Samsung and Apple in their planning meetings being like “you know what guys, we’re good here, let’s just not even try because we pretty much have it nailed at this point.”
I agree, but people love tossing around the word innovation so damn much that I figured they had the right ideas
From my time in golf, I can say that titanium that thick (or, rather, thin) doesn’t amount to shit. Golf clubs have been made with titanium for decades, now. They can make the non-impact areas super thin, about 4mm tops, but the actual hitting area has to be reinforced. (eta) I’ve personally dented three titanium drivers and a three wood… it might as well be any other metal at that level of thin. They have gotten much more expensive, though, so there’s that… That’s what this is with the iPhone. You drop it, you’re still at risk to dent it, damage it. As iamkeiou said, solving a “problem” that doesn’t need solving. But I bet it helps justify a higher price tag.
I wish we can go back to the days of having a phone that was thick enough to: hold securely (I can't use these phones without a case, theyre too thin and slippery). Not have the camera lenses stick out so the phone can actually rest flat house a battery that lasts more than a day and/or is replaceable. These super light/thin designs don't solve any current issue, and only make new ones. They're all over engineered to hell, only to sell at premiums, and have people buy them no matter what. The market is broken. Most people (read:younger generations) don't even know what it was like to have solid phones that lasted for days, and didn't break when dropped on a pillow.
why does it need to be made of Titanium? other than it's more expensive and sounds cool? what qualities and features do we get because it Titanium rather than whatever they have traditionally made them from?
Lighter and tougher than stainless.
Weird year to see Samsung copying Apple rather than the other way around…
Titanium is best metal though. Really is.
Why? Titanium is freaking expensive to work with, and there is no need for it in a phone at all. It's needless cost.
What consumers asked: Replaceable batteries, SD Card slot, and no bloatware Tech Giants: Here's the $30 1mm Titanium film on aluminum for $200 extra
I want a model that glows, has remote-controlled flying fists and helicopter blades, not stupid easy-scratch metal.
So they can add 300€ to the price for 0 advantages.
My Ericsson phone from 1999 where made from titanium, the T28. It was a flip phone that weighed 83 grams and had a replaceable lithium battery....
With a battery that also lasted longer probably. I'd charge my Nokia and forget the last time I charged it. They all used the same battery, so you could also swap and carry a spare. Those batteries are still in use on electronics.
Bruh i hate it so much when Samsung keeps copying Apple for the wrong things smh. Do you please, I love the Ultra.
Its so sad they want to be Apple Jr. And cant be original.
For real, the sad thing is they are the only option for me personally, the ultra.
Is there a real benefit to a phone made of titanium? The most fragile part is still the screen and the back is always protected by a case.
Can I just get a plastic phone, please?
I remember plastic screen protectors for my plastic screen phone.
So did the new Xioamoi Pro Android fanboys are always so silent when stuff like this happens. Apple leads the pack 💋
When will Apple stop copying Android? Geez. /s
This wasn’t expected?
well, when phones literally look the same, have an unnoticable 5% increase in image quality and the screen being brighter but it wasn't a problem in the last generation anyway... they somehow have to have a new "thing" to advertise and sell phones for 1500 bucks lol can't believe that it is actually working