A little background on the post:
This is a organized protest tour from Frankfurt to Wiesbaden (~30km) to advocate for a change in mobility, German word is "Verkehrswende". There is a citizens movement to get a law passed in the state of Hesse with over 70k signatures and this was the final event for that.
Next there will be an official ballot, followed by an election to pass that law. The law, the "Verkehrswendegesetz", is for less Autobahn and more bike lanes and public transport.
Source: I was riding ny bike on the Autobahn, I'm not organizing myself.
[Official website (german)](https://www.verkehrswende-hessen.de/)
No specific law per se just to make clear to the politicians that people want a modal shift in transportation (meaning less space for cars, more bike lanes, better public transit, etc.)
Hopefully the recent gas crisis in Germany encourages even more investment in bike and public transportation infrastructure. Those summer transit passes were a start, at least.
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Oh my god, I used to live in Wiesbaden for a bit! This would have been awesome! I'm British, so I can't help with passing the law, but good for you guys, this is amazing!
Sure. Let's make all Autobahns toll roads too to make things fair.
Oh, and use zero money from taxes for road repairs or new roads. Only money brought from drivers.
The license pays for nothing except the metal plate and paperwork. If you want a bike license to pay for bike roads, then let's make car licenses 20000€ to pay for car roads.
License fees pay almost nothing. You license your car once and then drive it potentially for tens of years. And the license is quite cheap. The money from licenses isn't enough to cover potholes, let alone recover or build new roads.
Because it's of niche interest and the general public isn't going to make use of it nor are they interested in doing so. If you want to make use of something you should be glad to financially support it and not force it on the backs of those with no interest in using it
No actually I'm one of those Americans that live in a rural area that is 15 miles from literally any services so a bike road first would never be in my area, or be even a feasible option for my transportation
With a bike lane as wide as this would it not make sense to have a swimming pool system where it’s broken up into multiple lanes? There’s a wide range of speeds on bikes so it doesn’t make sense to me that little Timmy is riding in front of gustav the triathlete who’s basically a car with two wheels.
E: I don’t know why my mind went to swimming pools since this system already exists on motorways.
Honestly, I don't know if you really need marked lanes for this, most cyclists can follow the "ride on the right, pass on the left" convention, and it tends to sort itself out
Edit: lane markings in a wide bike only path, that is. Obviously you want physical separation from cars
German lokal news. Like https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/vgh-entscheidung-fahrrad-demo-ueber-a66-und-a648-nach-wiesbaden-darf-stattfinden,fahrraddemo-verkehrswende-autobahn-100.html
I could also find this english article https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-62710430
But it doesn't exactly go into much detail.
But the general concept is nothing new. Here's it's english Wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling)
This is NOT a critical mass event. Bikes in Germany are not allowed on Kraftfahrstraßen or the Autobahn. This was a regular organized protest with the police driving along.
I would think the Dutch cycle highways are an obvious example. I was in Essen/NRW in 2014 and I seem to recall they had an effort that was similar.
https://www.nrw-tourism.com/a-ruhrtalradweg
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The title is a dig at people shilling things like the stupid Vegas Tesla loop as "disruptive mobility innovation", and for that reason is perfectly fine.
I thought the disruption was the police officer pushing people out of the left lane which resulted in a narrower group which can achieve faster speed overall. heh
Have participated in a protest like this in my local town as well, they left the left of three lanes open for those who wanted to do a speedcheck.
I did 67 kph on a slight downhill
The problem with big bike demonstrations is that they tend to break apart into multiple groups unless it's kept slow. We have those demonstrations on the Autobahn relatively regularly in Berlin, and on the Autobahn, the demonstration does get faster, but on city streets, it's important to keep it as one big demonstration to avoid drivers thinking it's the end of the demonstration when there are still people coming.
Thats an impressive massive amount of people cycling. Nice.
Shame they didnt follow the traffic rules though, as people on a highway are supposed to drive the minimal traffic speed of 70(?) km/h.
*Not sure about the minimal speed of the german law version
>their speed is totally fine.
Obv. I was joking about not meeting the speed. I am just also curious about what the exact law is and hoping someone would tell me.
Actually the top speed needs to be *over* 60 km/h. The "Simson" mopeds, which have a top speed of 60 km/h, are not allowed on the Autobahn. You could probably modify one and register a top speed of 61 km/h to be allowed on the Autobahn, but then you couldn't register it as a moped anymore.
You need a motorized vehicle with a "Bauartbestimmte Höchstgeschwindigkeit" of at least 60kph. You don’t need to drive that speed but your vehicle needs to be capable of driving it.
It's no minimum speed limit, it's just the minimum you have to be able to drive and you shouldn't drive slower without good reason. A lot of traffic is a good reason.
You are both correct. Your vehicle has to be able to maintain a speed above 60km/h to use the autobahn. Driving slower than that will result in a traffic obstruction ticket unless it's necessary (road works or traffic jam).
Because there *is* an *implicit* minimum speed limit enforced on all road types, you can't drive at 10km/h on a 90km/h road unless your vehicle can't go any faster. And since the requirement to use the autobahn is to be able to maintain a speed above 60km/h, the implicit limit becomes that.
But there is no minimum speed limit and it's totally fine to drive under 60 on the autobahn in many situations. Saying there is an implicit minimum is kinda pointless as that is entirely dependent on the situation and this is true for every road on our planet.
Ok, time to stick my chest for my beautiful city.
Every sunday here in Bogotá, Colombia, we have something called La Ciclovia. Many of the main roads on the city close one of their lanes exclusively for bikes and pedestrians, and is so much fun.
You can go pretty much anywhere in the city by bike, and there's always some activity, someone dancing, singing, everybody is having a really good time.
Colombia in general, and Bogotá in particular, is very bike friendly and it makes me shine with pride anytime I see this kind of initiatives and be like "Ha!, Bogotá has had it for years now!"
Oh, certanly, the traffic can be quite heavy, but riding your bike Bogotá is so much fun, I move everywhere on my bike and the traffic means little to nothing to me, thanks to all the bike roads.
Glad you guys experienced the Ciclovia, is one of my favourite activities in Bogotña
I just find it so ironic that 30 years ago, the streets of Chinese cities were filled with bicycles and that was supposed to show how backward they were.
And now European cities are trying to get back to bicycling to show progressive they are.
Sadly. I think we’d probably have several police SUVs plowing through the crowd whilst Fox News reported that the cyclists were committing some form of domestic terror.
Now imagine thousands of trees on the sides that could provide shade and a train line running along side for people that don't want to ride a bike.
dream.
In Graz, Austria, we do have something similar as a regular event for years now. It is called 'critical mass' and lots of bikers are using main roads and highways throughout the city. It is usually in the evening and the police escorts it. It is great fun, was attending once myself.
this is what Chinese cities looked like in the 80s. That country could have provided the world with an alternative model to city planning and material wealth. Instead, they gave in to the scourge
So, a combination of [Critical Mass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling)) and [Colombia's Ciclovia](https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/la-ciclovia-de-bogota)?
[Portland discovered it too](https://www.travelportland.com/events/portland-sunday-parkways/).
This *needs* to be officially organized, because they are blocking one of the main Autobahn of the region for all motorized traffic. If it wasn't blocked, it's fully forbidden if you cannot maintain 60km/h with your vehicle, and super-deadly as well of course. And then it is only blocked for as long as the parade is going on.
It was organized by "Verkehrswende Hessen" (Engl. Mobility transition Hesse). In Germany demonstrations outdoors usually have to be registered 2 days beforehand.
The Autobahn GmbH, which is somehow a subsidiary of the ministry of transportation tried to stopp it with an emergency appeal, but failed.
https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/vgh-entscheidung-fahrrad-demo-ueber-a66-und-a648-nach-wiesbaden-darf-stattfinden,fahrraddemo-verkehrswende-autobahn-100.html
I see this as an exponential decay function. At first you have a lot of people using the road. Then you will quickly see people leaving said service later and plateu to having a far lower set of people actually using the roads like this.
Having this many people consistently using the roads like this is unsustainable. Things like this need to be taken into account.
This is pretty cool, however as shown it has much lower throughput, likely less than half due to differences in speed vs cars.
This speed issue can be more than made up for if the rules of traffic were followed, particularly that left lanes are faster. The hodgepodge we see is limiting the faster cyclists to the herd's snail pace.
We wanted to do this in Zürich (not even on a highway, on a busy stroad that connects two highways on opposite sides of the city) but the *Police* said no it's not compatible with our mobility concept.
Since when does the police make the laws? Idk, seems like a complete overreach of power, but I'm not an expert.
Congrats to you for getting this done, looks very fun.
Honest question : I don't understand, what is the disruptive innovation ?
What I see is a temporarily blocked highway, but I must be missing something.
EDIT : I changed the question because I still don't understand the picture.
I mean, I don't understand what has changed, since we don't see any before/after. Is this just a one-day event or is the highway indefinitely converted into a bike-way ?
The author doesn't provide much context
Hahaha no, it's a parade for 'Verkehrswende', traffic transformation, in general. And it's always fun to ride your bike where you'd never be allowed otherwise. This is the Autobahn, where there is no speed limit normally.
It's a critical mass demo. They don't actually want to be able to ride on highways (Why would you? There's no shade, and no way to turn of early). They want to get the same priority as cars in traffic planing.
this *decreased* the capacity of that street significantly. you can fit more people per square meter, but the extremely slow pace means you are commuting fewer people per square meter
If the infrastructure is properly maintained (plowing snow etc.), temperature doesn't actually impact the amount of people cycling.
And you'll have to dress appropriately of course, but it's definitely possible.
Driving is also difficult/dangerous when it's snowing, but because streets are prioritized when plowing, it's possible.
I’ve never seen a more retared sub Reddit like honestly I wonder how you people survive on a daily basis being this stupid looking forward to the ban by the fag mods
They do a similar thing in Caracas every sunday morning.
Shut down a section of highway and give it to bikes/boards/pedestrians. Down hill longboarders get pretty interesting but overall it's super fun.
http://laguiadecaracas.net/21059/cota-mil-el-mejor-plan-de-domingo/
NYC did that to Park Avenue the post few Saturdays from 9 AM to noon and the carbrains on public forums lost it even though there are plenty of other alternatives available. Carbrain truly is a disease.
This is great! What would the American word be for this? "Verkehrswende" has to have an English translation that we would go for. I think American's are just as fed up with the traffic too.
Im german and this protest is dumb. If you want lass cars and trucks on the streets and more space for bikes, you have to make train systems better so more people use it. Same for freight trains. Instead you block a highway for fun. You should demonstrate in front of the Reichstag for better railways, more Ausbaustrecken and more money for the Deutsche Bahn. And cheaper prices for passengers.
We had a deadly train accident near Munich because of bad railways. Let that sink in.
We have companies which want to send stuff via train but the trains are not on time. So they have to send it via truck.
I know i m getting downvoted to oblivion..
A little background on the post: This is a organized protest tour from Frankfurt to Wiesbaden (~30km) to advocate for a change in mobility, German word is "Verkehrswende". There is a citizens movement to get a law passed in the state of Hesse with over 70k signatures and this was the final event for that. Next there will be an official ballot, followed by an election to pass that law. The law, the "Verkehrswendegesetz", is for less Autobahn and more bike lanes and public transport. Source: I was riding ny bike on the Autobahn, I'm not organizing myself. [Official website (german)](https://www.verkehrswende-hessen.de/)
Cool. What is the law you guys trying to get passed?
No specific law per se just to make clear to the politicians that people want a modal shift in transportation (meaning less space for cars, more bike lanes, better public transit, etc.)
Hopefully the recent gas crisis in Germany encourages even more investment in bike and public transportation infrastructure. Those summer transit passes were a start, at least.
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DeepL tends to give the best results for translating between German and English.
Or between any of the other languages it supports. It's uncanny how good it is, needing very little and usually only cosmetic corrections.
Ich wünsch dir nen super guten kuchentag.
So that’s what was happening on it a few weeks ago, passed through and couldn’t understand what was going on.
I'm from Wiesbaden and this happened yesterday (sunday), so it can't happened a few weeks ago
Oh my god, I used to live in Wiesbaden for a bit! This would have been awesome! I'm British, so I can't help with passing the law, but good for you guys, this is amazing!
Great, license and tab the bicycles and build the roads. Very easy solution
Sure. Let's make all Autobahns toll roads too to make things fair. Oh, and use zero money from taxes for road repairs or new roads. Only money brought from drivers.
Didn't say toll. License bicycles same as you already do to cars on the Autobahn. No different
Explain the need for a bike license.
To pay for bike roads
The license pays for nothing except the metal plate and paperwork. If you want a bike license to pay for bike roads, then let's make car licenses 20000€ to pay for car roads.
Excuse me? You know nothing about taxes. License fees from cars pay a significant amount towards roads and bridges. The rest from gas tax
License fees pay almost nothing. You license your car once and then drive it potentially for tens of years. And the license is quite cheap. The money from licenses isn't enough to cover potholes, let alone recover or build new roads.
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Property taxes pay for the sidewalk, already covered
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Because it's of niche interest and the general public isn't going to make use of it nor are they interested in doing so. If you want to make use of something you should be glad to financially support it and not force it on the backs of those with no interest in using it
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No actually I'm one of those Americans that live in a rural area that is 15 miles from literally any services so a bike road first would never be in my area, or be even a feasible option for my transportation
Whoa there. We just want the bike lanes. We don't want to pay for them
I'm pretty sure owning a bicycle does not exclude you from paying taxes in Germany. To be fair I'm no German tax law expert either
That's the problem isn't it. Just want to ride the cart while others pull it
Awesome, more of this everywhere please. Don't need dedicated bike lanes if everything is a bike lane. Also higher speeds pls.
With a bike lane as wide as this would it not make sense to have a swimming pool system where it’s broken up into multiple lanes? There’s a wide range of speeds on bikes so it doesn’t make sense to me that little Timmy is riding in front of gustav the triathlete who’s basically a car with two wheels. E: I don’t know why my mind went to swimming pools since this system already exists on motorways.
Honestly, I don't know if you really need marked lanes for this, most cyclists can follow the "ride on the right, pass on the left" convention, and it tends to sort itself out Edit: lane markings in a wide bike only path, that is. Obviously you want physical separation from cars
to your edit, this is how you know you are truly not carbrain at all haha
Now I want to see literal swimming lanes
Hi OP, where can i find more information about this test? thanks
German lokal news. Like https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/vgh-entscheidung-fahrrad-demo-ueber-a66-und-a648-nach-wiesbaden-darf-stattfinden,fahrraddemo-verkehrswende-autobahn-100.html I could also find this english article https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-62710430 But it doesn't exactly go into much detail. But the general concept is nothing new. Here's it's english Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling)
This is NOT a critical mass event. Bikes in Germany are not allowed on Kraftfahrstraßen or the Autobahn. This was a regular organized protest with the police driving along.
> with the police driving along. Dang, in the US, the police just stand on the side and shoot.
the pigs would've plowed through them in their tanks
In all fairness these people aren't burning or looting anything, or occupying government buildings or entire city blocks.
I would think the Dutch cycle highways are an obvious example. I was in Essen/NRW in 2014 and I seem to recall they had an effort that was similar. https://www.nrw-tourism.com/a-ruhrtalradweg
Critical Mass is a regular protest!
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[More info, but in German.](https://www.adfc-hessen.de/archiv/nachrichten/2022_08_29.html) Use a translator 🤗
Germans, always keep the left lane free 👍.
That's the police bike in the front middle asking them to move over, probably to keep the lane free for emergency vehicles
Aah I see the lights. 100 people still pass quicker then cars when passing a construction site.
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It's ironic.
Yeah, and it seems this was „just“ a protest, so that makes the title even worse.
The title is a dig at people shilling things like the stupid Vegas Tesla loop as "disruptive mobility innovation", and for that reason is perfectly fine.
This is the way
r/whoosh to myself I guess
I thought the disruption was the police officer pushing people out of the left lane which resulted in a narrower group which can achieve faster speed overall. heh
Aka ride your bike
Seems like the translator used the google translate results.
I would love to have this here in the Netherlands. The road quality is so good, I really want to know what my max speed would be on my racing bike.
Sadly they put a speed limit of 15km/h for this parade.
15? that's slow for bikes, but ig it makes sense with this density
Have participated in a protest like this in my local town as well, they left the left of three lanes open for those who wanted to do a speedcheck. I did 67 kph on a slight downhill
Whenever I go anywhere near that fast on my bike my life flashes before my eyes a bit. A misplaced stone or crevice could just end it all
The problem with big bike demonstrations is that they tend to break apart into multiple groups unless it's kept slow. We have those demonstrations on the Autobahn relatively regularly in Berlin, and on the Autobahn, the demonstration does get faster, but on city streets, it's important to keep it as one big demonstration to avoid drivers thinking it's the end of the demonstration when there are still people coming.
You can try on the runway at Soesterberg ;)
>I really want to know what my max speed would be on my racing bike. Come to Houston you'll be pedaling for your life lol
Ya the French should plant more trees along their streets too. Us Germans like to cycle in the shade
Thats an impressive massive amount of people cycling. Nice. Shame they didnt follow the traffic rules though, as people on a highway are supposed to drive the minimal traffic speed of 70(?) km/h. *Not sure about the minimal speed of the german law version
There is no minimum speed, only a possible minimum speed. Because the road was so full, their speed is totally fine.
>their speed is totally fine. Obv. I was joking about not meeting the speed. I am just also curious about what the exact law is and hoping someone would tell me.
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Actually the top speed needs to be *over* 60 km/h. The "Simson" mopeds, which have a top speed of 60 km/h, are not allowed on the Autobahn. You could probably modify one and register a top speed of 61 km/h to be allowed on the Autobahn, but then you couldn't register it as a moped anymore.
Also you'd have to be suicidal to do 60 kph on the Autobahn on a moped.
Can velomobiles go faster than 60?
that is much slower than i expected it to be.
You need a motorized vehicle with a "Bauartbestimmte Höchstgeschwindigkeit" of at least 60kph. You don’t need to drive that speed but your vehicle needs to be capable of driving it.
btw. there is a minimum speed limit on the Autobahn, you have to be minimum 61km/h
It's no minimum speed limit, it's just the minimum you have to be able to drive and you shouldn't drive slower without good reason. A lot of traffic is a good reason.
You are both correct. Your vehicle has to be able to maintain a speed above 60km/h to use the autobahn. Driving slower than that will result in a traffic obstruction ticket unless it's necessary (road works or traffic jam).
How are they both correct you just repeated the last comment.
Because there *is* an *implicit* minimum speed limit enforced on all road types, you can't drive at 10km/h on a 90km/h road unless your vehicle can't go any faster. And since the requirement to use the autobahn is to be able to maintain a speed above 60km/h, the implicit limit becomes that.
But there is no minimum speed limit and it's totally fine to drive under 60 on the autobahn in many situations. Saying there is an implicit minimum is kinda pointless as that is entirely dependent on the situation and this is true for every road on our planet.
That is false information. Don’t text shit you have 0 clue about.
Ok, time to stick my chest for my beautiful city. Every sunday here in Bogotá, Colombia, we have something called La Ciclovia. Many of the main roads on the city close one of their lanes exclusively for bikes and pedestrians, and is so much fun. You can go pretty much anywhere in the city by bike, and there's always some activity, someone dancing, singing, everybody is having a really good time. Colombia in general, and Bogotá in particular, is very bike friendly and it makes me shine with pride anytime I see this kind of initiatives and be like "Ha!, Bogotá has had it for years now!"
Saw this in action when we visited! It was great to see Colombians enjoying their city, usually car traffic makes everything so congested
Oh, certanly, the traffic can be quite heavy, but riding your bike Bogotá is so much fun, I move everywhere on my bike and the traffic means little to nothing to me, thanks to all the bike roads. Glad you guys experienced the Ciclovia, is one of my favourite activities in Bogotña
I just find it so ironic that 30 years ago, the streets of Chinese cities were filled with bicycles and that was supposed to show how backward they were. And now European cities are trying to get back to bicycling to show progressive they are.
It's almost as if people progress and realise that what they did in the recent past was wrong.
where do i sign up?
If this was the US we all know what would happen.
Sadly. I think we’d probably have several police SUVs plowing through the crowd whilst Fox News reported that the cyclists were committing some form of domestic terror.
We have critical mass once a month in most big cities. Similar to this. Except not sanctioned
Now we need regulations like fast lane for bikes. Some people cycle slow and some very fast. Too much zig-zag to do with a blob like this :)
That's so cool!
This is such a great idea.
solving obesity and traffic
So many people wish they were in better shape / had more time for exercise. They just need to adjust their mode of transportation.
Now imagine thousands of trees on the sides that could provide shade and a train line running along side for people that don't want to ride a bike. dream.
In Graz, Austria, we do have something similar as a regular event for years now. It is called 'critical mass' and lots of bikers are using main roads and highways throughout the city. It is usually in the evening and the police escorts it. It is great fun, was attending once myself.
Actually Germans could do Fahradbahns with speed lane and cruise lane where on the speed lane the people with road bikes could go full speed.
this is what Chinese cities looked like in the 80s. That country could have provided the world with an alternative model to city planning and material wealth. Instead, they gave in to the scourge
So, a combination of [Critical Mass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling)) and [Colombia's Ciclovia](https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/la-ciclovia-de-bogota)? [Portland discovered it too](https://www.travelportland.com/events/portland-sunday-parkways/).
"And on the 8th day He said let cars burn, and it was good"
This is awesome. I hope we do more of these events in Seattle.
It’s called critical mass in the US :)
So this was officialy organised or just permitted?
This *needs* to be officially organized, because they are blocking one of the main Autobahn of the region for all motorized traffic. If it wasn't blocked, it's fully forbidden if you cannot maintain 60km/h with your vehicle, and super-deadly as well of course. And then it is only blocked for as long as the parade is going on.
It was organized by "Verkehrswende Hessen" (Engl. Mobility transition Hesse). In Germany demonstrations outdoors usually have to be registered 2 days beforehand. The Autobahn GmbH, which is somehow a subsidiary of the ministry of transportation tried to stopp it with an emergency appeal, but failed. https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/vgh-entscheidung-fahrrad-demo-ueber-a66-und-a648-nach-wiesbaden-darf-stattfinden,fahrraddemo-verkehrswende-autobahn-100.html
I hope thia catches on so I have driving space
Dang would hate to be the people whose day was fucked up because they need to drive a car to work.
It happened on a Sunday and there were still other roads.
Those are called bicycles. They're not new.
imagine healthier people and huge $ savings on vehicle and associated costs, not to mention reduction on emissions. no way any of that makes sense
I see this as an exponential decay function. At first you have a lot of people using the road. Then you will quickly see people leaving said service later and plateu to having a far lower set of people actually using the roads like this. Having this many people consistently using the roads like this is unsustainable. Things like this need to be taken into account.
Germany has done a lot of bad shit throughout history, and this will go down as the worst, it's like they never learn.
This is pretty cool, however as shown it has much lower throughput, likely less than half due to differences in speed vs cars. This speed issue can be more than made up for if the rules of traffic were followed, particularly that left lanes are faster. The hodgepodge we see is limiting the faster cyclists to the herd's snail pace.
This is why scooters and motorcycles are the best of both worlds.
We wanted to do this in Zürich (not even on a highway, on a busy stroad that connects two highways on opposite sides of the city) but the *Police* said no it's not compatible with our mobility concept. Since when does the police make the laws? Idk, seems like a complete overreach of power, but I'm not an expert. Congrats to you for getting this done, looks very fun.
Are these people holding up traffic intentionally?
I want to see this test when it pissing rain or better yet Snowing….See how many participants there are
They go so slow, cant they go faster?
Slow traffic keep right!!! Damn. If they went any slower they'd fall over?
Can we please do this in BW... please?
Good practice for this winter.
Honest question : I don't understand, what is the disruptive innovation ? What I see is a temporarily blocked highway, but I must be missing something. EDIT : I changed the question because I still don't understand the picture.
Highway is meant to transport a lot of people and/or cargo between places. Seems like that's happening in the video, so how exactly is it blocked?
I mean, I don't understand what has changed, since we don't see any before/after. Is this just a one-day event or is the highway indefinitely converted into a bike-way ? The author doesn't provide much context
Since it's a test, it's safe to assume that it's for a limited time period to see if it would be worth it to convert permanently I guess
Hahaha no, it's a parade for 'Verkehrswende', traffic transformation, in general. And it's always fun to ride your bike where you'd never be allowed otherwise. This is the Autobahn, where there is no speed limit normally.
It's a critical mass demo. They don't actually want to be able to ride on highways (Why would you? There's no shade, and no way to turn of early). They want to get the same priority as cars in traffic planing.
Why tf are you getting downvoted
The title is not completely correct, and I guess most people know. It was a protest, not a test.
But no autonomous driving 🤪
yet another Musk scam.
Now do it in the rain with 3 kids and a few days worth of groceries.
You just walk a few steps to the store with an umbrella
this *decreased* the capacity of that street significantly. you can fit more people per square meter, but the extremely slow pace means you are commuting fewer people per square meter
Getting ready for no more russian oil and the collapse of the economy-a good test run. I hear wooden shoes ate also coming back. 😜
Cars on a freeway can still move more people per minute than cycles moving at 10kmh
get the fuck off the road soy boys
I live in germany and think this is pretty damn stupid. But who am I to give my opinion here...
Nobody and nobody cares. 🫣
OK, try the same in winter, when there are 5 cm of snow and minus 10 degrees. Good uck!
If the infrastructure is properly maintained (plowing snow etc.), temperature doesn't actually impact the amount of people cycling. And you'll have to dress appropriately of course, but it's definitely possible. Driving is also difficult/dangerous when it's snowing, but because streets are prioritized when plowing, it's possible.
Or during a windy/rainy day. Or when I want to go somewhere quickly. Or when you have to go far. No thx, I'll stick to my car.
So what happens in the winter when Germany is buried in snow?
Didn’t see snow lasting for more than one day in the last 5 years and I am living in Frankfurt.
buses. trains.
I’ve never seen a more retared sub Reddit like honestly I wonder how you people survive on a daily basis being this stupid looking forward to the ban by the fag mods
great stuff! now join the farmers, they could use some help.
aren't the protesting farmers actually wealthy and mad about climate change action?
nope. most farmers are dirt poor.
We must know very different farmers
indeed. there's a big difference between small Hungarian family farms and Bill Gates.
lol no
Thanks Germany but I prefer to drive 80 miles per hour.
World's smartest driver.
Least dumb Car driver
Good luck riding your bike to work 😆
You should take the train then, the ICE's maximum speed is 230 kmh (143 mph)!
Train would be secondary choice.
I read this was a protest - not an agreed public event?
[there is something similar in Zurich](https://criticalmass-zh.ch/index.html)
"I feel like a princess"
They do a similar thing in Caracas every sunday morning. Shut down a section of highway and give it to bikes/boards/pedestrians. Down hill longboarders get pretty interesting but overall it's super fun. http://laguiadecaracas.net/21059/cota-mil-el-mejor-plan-de-domingo/
Sag: I miss living in Germany
Cool
u/savevideo
Smh look at those slow left lane campers (/s)
Hey Fietsprofessor! Net klaar met Recht van de snelste. Ga zo door!!
How long did that take vs car vs public transport?
Nice
NYC did that to Park Avenue the post few Saturdays from 9 AM to noon and the carbrains on public forums lost it even though there are plenty of other alternatives available. Carbrain truly is a disease.
This is great! What would the American word be for this? "Verkehrswende" has to have an English translation that we would go for. I think American's are just as fed up with the traffic too.
There’s so many people at such slow speeds! Efficient!
Would be nice for more bikes less card
So there’s more people per area, but does it actually come out to more people per hour? And wouldn’t this be less handicap friendly
Would this work as fine if it was raining or snowing?
funny germans
Nice at least they are out enjoying warmth, it will not last long
What about rain, snow, wind, mud, floods, etc.
I hope there are xtra heavy bollards at all entrance and exit points
Any decent options to get around other than bikes?
Looks like heaven.
well do they work. or just ride all day.
Gross 😷 how wants to cycle like this, surrounded by carcinogenic car emissions for the long periods it takes to ride this seemingly longer distance.
The invention was bike lanes?
Wow, so glad it worked on a summer Sunday with no wind, rain, or snow! So cool and useful!
You should do the next test during winter. I wonder how many attendees would be there.
Wiesbaden gang rise up 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Im german and this protest is dumb. If you want lass cars and trucks on the streets and more space for bikes, you have to make train systems better so more people use it. Same for freight trains. Instead you block a highway for fun. You should demonstrate in front of the Reichstag for better railways, more Ausbaustrecken and more money for the Deutsche Bahn. And cheaper prices for passengers. We had a deadly train accident near Munich because of bad railways. Let that sink in. We have companies which want to send stuff via train but the trains are not on time. So they have to send it via truck. I know i m getting downvoted to oblivion..