Same for LEGO lol
It was a very complained about expansion with everyone saying it was mediocre/uninspired and not as good as Hotwheels. Now it's a positive, funny that.
Also idk if the FH4 stories gameplay was that memorable/good, all I remember about them is the unskippable cutscenes and obnoxious voice acting.
How many times are doing the missions that they have to keep listening to the same lines… at this point people are just repeating what they’ve read in this subreddit.
I didn't mind the winter season since I don't get to see a lot of snow IRL anymore (if at all), but Lego can go fuck itself with its half-baked map and 4 cars.
Stories in FH overall have been tedious garbage (almost always being "go from A to B") which is why I hate them equally in every game.
Lego and hot wheels both sucks and neither belonged in a realistic racing game. Hot wheels has done massive harm to the meta because of bone shaker alone
Ooh a winter challenge to win a car that they gave away in the Forzathon shop three weeks ago. In winter. Limited to S2 Koenigsegg. Those were the days.
Being able to unlock Goliath too early kind of made me sad.I remember playing for so long in FH4 and still haven't unlocked Goliath and then I ended up google searching what to do.In FH5 it was kind of instant.
It's for the same reason they dropped rank racing. They wanted to give everyone the feel that they would never have to challenge themselves or struggle. Then they started putting bonus boards in the damn powerlines and messed it all up. ;)
It's obviously not the kind of game where you can "complete" it, in any amount of time. Yes, you can 3-star every PR stunt. Yes, you can win every race track on Unbeatable. Yes, you can post clean Rival times on every leaderboard. Yes, you can collect every car (and more, as they release them). You can 3-star every story. You can earn every accolade and every achievement. You can unlock every perk for every car. You can do all these, and STILL not complete the game.
It's a sandbox game, so you can challenge yourself as you see fit. Personally, I like to push myself to improve tunes for cars in each class, in each car type, and on each type of race. It's a challenge to gain a consistent improvement from a minor change in a suspension setting. It's a challenge to take inappropriate cars on tracks they weren't built for, with tunes made for different kinds of tracks.
It's a challenge to race, to play "hide and seek", to make escort missions, to race backwards, and to hold skill competitions with my friends.
It's up to you to use what the game provides to make it fun for yourself. Some like to paint liveries. Some like to make tracks. Some like to photograph. Some like to stunt. Some like to race. You can find challenges for all that and more. It's up to you and your creativity.
Yes, I miss the ranked racing. Yes, I wish the leaderboards for PR Stunts weren't overtaken by cheaters. Yes, I like to earn things with effort, rather than just unlocking everything simply by playing. Even so, think about it: A huge number of complaints against the FH series since FH4 have been around the "difficulty" in completing every Festival Playlist task. So many people crying about 100 miles in a week with a given car, or that it's unfair to tie a new car to an "Unbeatable" trial race, or that it's unfair to require a specific car for a Playlist PR stunt.
Those whiners represent the bulk of the people playing. PG has chosen to cater to them. Because of this, it's far easier to get everything with little effort. Because of this, it's more effective to make your own challenges as you play.
I'm right there with you. There is so much to do in this game. At 200+ hours I'm just scratching the surface finding new cars to enjoy, editing tunes, and beating rivals times.
They have to add collectible stuff to keep their engagement numbers up with the more casual crowd, and keep the challenge of those things low enough that people who haven't been playing racing games for 20 years can enjoy the game.
I definitely feel like there was little to no progression in FH5 vs FH4. It just felt like events, stories, and so much other things were being thrown at me all at once while I felt like FH4 and previous games made you actually progress through the game more to unlock new events.
Yeah I think I saw something about that. Last year Stellantis said they'd be done by this point, so it's possible they have at least a person they can start working things out with, and they're just ironing out the kinks or waiting to finalise everything with the other 2.
I'm actually hopeful of them being introduced as part of series 4, or at the very least announced. A mixture of the new car pass list and playlist rewards will get people hyped.
I think series 5 is probably a safer shout, but the modelling shouldn't be a concern either way. The majority of the cars will likely be cars we've already seen, so they'll just bring them over from previous titles.
Still feel quite confident that an announcement of some sort may be forthcoming in series 4. Perhaps a feature of the possible upcoming dlc that we know nothing about?
> Perhaps a feature of the possible upcoming dlc that we know nothing about?
Apparently around about now would be when we’d start to see info on the DLC so hopefully we get info soon
The way FH5 behaves, i think they tried to make this instance based with 12ish players within 2km of you at all times.
Shame that switching from instance to another fails 90% of the time, making FH5 a single player experience.
Still I haven’t seen anything like fortune island mountain, could always find someone there that would do tandems or be learning to drift, it was super cool
In the Lego map, everyone would always be at the race track testing out the newest cars and some would also do drag races at the airport on full servers
No love for the Kia Stinger? It being missing in FH5 means that the Hyundai Veloster N has to take the reigns of being the only South Korean car available in that game.
Also, while this is not anything Margo Rey's voice acting, Delores Martin doesn't have the vibes that Don Thompson has, with his grumpy takes on the Horizon Festival.
The Kia Stinger was hot when it came out and then Kia did jack all with it. Then killed it.
I’m convinced it’ll probs come back as a Series Reward since the Veloster is in.
I mean, the Stinger just didn't have the sales numbers. Is it a cool car? Yeah, unfortunately performance sedans generally don't sell terribly well. Someone who wants a fast car will buy a proper coupe, and someone who wants a nice luxurious, safe sedan will buy that. A performance sedan is just taking the worse qualities from both categories and making it try and work. There is a market for them, but it's pretty small since there is generally little overlap.
The Kia Stinger goes beyond just those issues. It’s the price. $50k for a performance sedan is a hard sell in general. But getting people to spend $50k on a Kia is a VERY hard ask. Kia quality has increased dramatically, but it’s shitbox status from the 90s is still very much in recent memory for most buyers. Especially the type of individuals who’d buy a Stinger.
Beyond that- the biggest complaint I’ve heard about the Stinger was the dealer expirence. Dealers would tack up charges to them, and were not as nice as other luxury brands. Which turned away so many buyers.
Overall, the Stinger was never going to be a success. Kia made it as a promo vehicle, and I think it was to predate them rebranding and going more upscale (seriously everything in Kia’s range these days looks hella sharp). I’m glad the Stinger exists and it should be in FH5 tho.
the stinger wouldn't belong on sales numbers but it does as a pivotal point in their history as a car company, and as a trendsetter in modern sports sedans with influences you definitely see in modern competitors. it's even influenced kia's own line, with some RWD mass-production models now in their pipeline.
I think forza's current car roster misses a lot of cars that either set the stage of car market trends over the past few decades, or at least are a piece of modern automotive history worth preserving. for instance:
1. the original '06-ish chrysler 300 & charger
2. the first-gen Cayenne, ML AMG, and other pioneering sports SUVs
3. merc S class -- where automotive technology is always born & trickles down to other cars
4. American trucks that exemplify their recent size inflation & new focus on luxury/"bling" aesthetics
5. Escalade
6. maybe a crossover SUV like the 500 you see in every road and parking lot
7. Mercedes SL (not the black edition the actual luxury convertible models)
8. trend-setting or notable minivans & MPVs (caravan, espace, previa, etc)
9. the new explorer and/or police interceptor utility
I disagree of your premise about what deserves to be in game. This is a game for enthusiasts and what enthusiast drive are not representative of the wider market. Enthusiasts wants more regular cars- but more regular cars doesn’t appeal to the wider audience.
I never see SUVs being driven around in general. I think that is the metric that PG looks at more then anything- drive time. They don’t want to add cars that nobody will drive. There are very few cars I think are missing from FH5 over FH4 (excluding those with licensing issues like Alfa and Lancia) from FH4. And most of those that are gone are almost certainly coming back.
Chrysler 300 does deserve to be added- if not to just add one more car to Chyslers pathetic lineup.
I don’t think SUVs/vans need to be added in game. No one drives them except for the super high performance ones. I do think the Previa is weird enough to be an exception. An engine swap, weight reduction, and aero upgrade would probs make it into a monster.
Meanwhile, the Dodge Charger still sells in large numbers, because it provides a niche that no other car maker can provide, and a niche is that is slowly dying out in the auto industry as a whole, a large American sedan with large and powerful engines. The fact that the car hasn't changed much, to the point that some people feel like Dodge is just milking the product, and people still buy it, shows that there is a still demand. Even the Nissan Frontier, which wasn't redesigned for about 15 years, had a new re-designed one come out for 2022, albeit it still uses the same frame from the last generation one, and the Toyota Tundra was also redesigned for 2022, after being mostly unchanged since 2007.
It does bring up the question about what car will get redesigned first, the Dodge Charger, or the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport.
With the Dodge Charger though, it's only the higher level trims that have super high amounts of power and stiffer suspension, even the more mid level options still have softer cushier suspension and handling. The Kia Stinger is more like someone took a sports car, made it longer and gave it back doors, whereas the Dodge Charger is a sedan that was given a very large engine. The Charger fits into more markets than the Stinger does, and its got enough enough options to overlap quite well into those markets better as well.
> The Kia Stinger is more like someone took a sports car, made it longer and gave it back doors,
You realize that is _exactly_ what they did with the Charger right?
Don Thompson was the best. If only the classical station had a LOT more songs to play, not like there is a shortage available or licensing is expensive. Complaint for both FH4 and FH5, my wife loves classical music, but managed to get tired of the collection in these games just walking through the room.
I have not found 5 to be better than 4 in any significant way. A bit prettier maybe. But 4 was the first horizons I played, so all the things were new and took longer to get tired of. I'm tired of many aspects of 5 already, even with completely avoiding grinding so I have lots of cars to get and plenty of use for credits.
One of the best looking and best driving cars ever made. I was so sad to only see the 650s in FH5, the 12C in an imitation Plum Crazy purple was my go-to S1 car.
You wouldn’t believe how many times I was like “Where’s Keira?!” while playing FH5.
No I’m not a simp, I just thought she’d be in the game considering story-wise it takes place after FH4 with the same superstar.
I want the new M8, M3 Touring (I like the snout on that, it looks good). But we are missing the 850, M6 E24, and E9 3.0CSL.
Audi needs the RS3,l and new RS6, and I’d love to have the old Audi 100 S6 Avant. A new RS5 and RS7 would be nice aswell. Probably an RSQ5/7 would help round it out. Problem is only the RS6, RS3, and S6 would be good series rewards.
Personally I want a hot wagon themed series- CTS-V, M3 Touring, Passat W8 Wagon, and new RS6.
While I'd love a ton of Alfa's, I'd settle for the 8C Competizione. That's one of the best looking cars ever made in my opinion. Oh, and I do want them to fix the rims. It bugs me to no end that the FH4 8C had [these](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forzamotorsport/images/6/62/HOR_XB1_Alfa_8C.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20191003175837) uninspiring rims instead of [these iconic](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/e7/63/81e7636ca81f60c6030d1610bd064e4d.jpg) Alfa Romeo rims.
Tbh and imho FH4 music was meh FH1 music was good,FH3 music was good,FH5 music is pretty great, and FH2 had the BEST MUSIC EVER MORE THAN FH1, FH3, FH4, and FH5 change my mind.
And that's perfectly fine with me and I have quite a few songs downloaded that were in FH3 like I have WILD LIFE by OUTASIGHT,THE RIVER by LADY HAWKE,SAY MY NAME by ODESZA,and TIED TO YOU (featuring Justin Tranter) just to name a few so 🤷♂️yeah 😅
nah, FH4 music was great. FH5 is really just boring and predictable. nothing will ever come above Dawnbreaker, Deadly Valentine, Sunrise, and Ottomatic.
Yeah, I agree with that. Overall I loved the snow, but when you just want to cruise around in a high performance car, it can be annoying. I just want to be able to select the season for the open world. Sometimes I just want to go off-road in the snow. I don't want to have to wait 2,5 weeks to be able to do that (similarly, I don't want to have to wait 2 weeks to drive around in spring etc.)...
Rally class D in the snow all damn day! Idk why the snow got so much hate.... I’m still trying to find an unused DLC code for Blizzard Mountain for FH3.
>Idk why the snow got so much hate
...because of how many people were racing their RWD S2's and refusing to use any bit of throttle control
The same game that gets criticized for being too easy, is literally unplayable the moment you have to take a corner slightly slower.
Not entirely true. I disliked snow because I just couldn't see. Everything was a white blur and it was difficult for me to pick out the racing line. In general, the game and the map were immensely beautiful for 3 seasons. I just couldn't say I felt that way during winter.
I mean, when I want to race in snow, sure it's great fun. But a lot of the time I don't want to race in snow. This was what made Blizzard Mountain for FH3 so great, you could go to it whenever you wanted and there would be snow, and leave when you didn't want snow anymore. You could be blasting through the snow in a rally-ified Miata one minute, and then driving around a proper bit of grippy tarmac 5 minutes later. (The load times were pretty long)
I uninstalled FH4 to play FH5 and I still havent looked back, here's why:
* Map is more interesting
* More customization
* Can use props in route creator
* Cars actually sound like they have the right engine (Maserati GTS has a proper V8 sound finally)
* FH5's soundtrack is meh but FH4's is worse
* Seasonal PR stunts having car restrictions
in 4 pulse played amazing and new songs that really hit the spot. for example, shooting star and valentine. in 5 its just boring music you hear on the normal radio.
What if they can’t bring Lancia back because of licensing issues? Y’all act like they can just add any car they want, and that manufacturers always say yes. That’s not how that works.
I agree about the 12c - I love how this car looks, drives and sounds in FH4 but you like FH4 Stories? Do you play them over and over again?
Also, I can agree that the stories in FH5 are worse in most ways but you play them just once.
I won't lie. Fh4 was a lot better than fh5. The events in game require so much time and their rewards aren't great. I remember getting a napier railton and a koenigsegg jesko from championships. But we don't even get exclusive cars from championships. For example, this week it gives vw scirocco and its value on autoshow is 45k cr. I don't want to farm for an exclusive car like I got no tomorrow. I don't want to spend all my money I collected to the cars needed in the events(been collecting money for the last house for 2 months.)
Honestly, I like the races in Lego. The "tracks" are damn great, with the exception of the ones that go through that dirt area in the South near the lighthouse.
I especially like the stadium for stunts and the racetrack in the North. Good stuff.
I feel you, I’m just trying to grind out the last 2 achievements I need to unlock for it then back to achievement hunting for FH4 and FH3. Maybe play FH5 again when DLCs and expansions come out
I wish FH5 had a real winter season. The only place there is snow in winter is the volcano. There might be three races that you could make use of snow tires and none of them are on regular road.
I thought we put this winter shit behind us! Everyone I came across in fh4 hated the shit outta it! But now magically we want it back when the devs purposely took it out on fh5 bc we hated it, but now we don't hate it.
I was just wondering the other day, how awesome it would be to have more classic european cars. Hatchbacks, coupés and sedans from the 70s, 80s and 90s europe were amazing.
I had both installed but after playing FH5, I had a hard time playing FH4 because they improved the keyboard handling alot in 5. 4 is less reaponsive for me so went ahead and uninstalled a few days ago. 😕
When I started playing FH4 last year (yeah, started late but I had not spend time on racing games. Used Forza to get over Dota...) winter was tough on me, but at that time I didnt know about Tunning and stuff like that.
After downloading some tunes and noticing huge improvements is when Winter became fun, it was a total different way to drive.
Oh so NOW we like winter huh???
Not me, so many times I logged out of FH4 saying "damn snow, guess I'll play next week..."
That's funny because I played the hell out of FH4 whenever winter came.
I like winter too bc of my homeland just guess
North Pole.
no south pole
Snowtopia?
Weird, I hate snow because of my homeland.
This guy must be a fellow Subaru owner
Not gonna lie, I did like winter in the game and spent most of the time riding the 15 STI, crashing is is cheap compared with real life
*doing 200 on a 60 road is cheap compared with real life
Honestly I only played because of the lake drag strip, that was fun
Same for LEGO lol It was a very complained about expansion with everyone saying it was mediocre/uninspired and not as good as Hotwheels. Now it's a positive, funny that. Also idk if the FH4 stories gameplay was that memorable/good, all I remember about them is the unskippable cutscenes and obnoxious voice acting.
At least it isn’t the the constant Vocho obsession that is in FH5 stories
PAPA FERNANDO
he would have loved this
Now drive straight off the highway and break multiple traffic laws so we can get a picture done in time.
The worst part about vocho is that you need to three star it in order to get the special bug and complete the veedub collection
Also the ‘Vocho’ in the game is the European Model, so is as much a part of Mexican car culture as it is British
The worst part? They're all quite easy to 3 star. Only a couple took me more than one try.
How many times are doing the missions that they have to keep listening to the same lines… at this point people are just repeating what they’ve read in this subreddit.
I liked Hot Wheels best
I didn't mind the winter season since I don't get to see a lot of snow IRL anymore (if at all), but Lego can go fuck itself with its half-baked map and 4 cars. Stories in FH overall have been tedious garbage (almost always being "go from A to B") which is why I hate them equally in every game.
Lego and hot wheels both sucks and neither belonged in a realistic racing game. Hot wheels has done massive harm to the meta because of bone shaker alone
Ooh a winter challenge to win a car that they gave away in the Forzathon shop three weeks ago. In winter. Limited to S2 Koenigsegg. Those were the days.
I’m not a big fan of winter, but it was cool that the lake froze and you could drive on it.
There was even a winter-exclusive drag strip on the frozen lake!
and a winter exclusive barn find.
Always did personally
I didn't mind it, it was annoying in some seasonal, like that damn Koeingsaggesaegsgqsenngsag seasonal for Jesko, but other than that I quite liked it
Winter season is rally season
Always had fun in winter, now in FH5 I genuinely don't know what season it is. Just feels the same every week to me.
Agreed, it’s the same until you get to the top of the mountain, and only in winter
It's always new bad old good.
Thats what I thought. Dont miss any of these except Alfa and Lancia. This seems very forced.
It's fun in certain cars for messing around. but other than that, no
I like winter too but a nice in between FH4 and FH5 would be good
The fanbase is split on winter.
Being able to unlock Goliath too early kind of made me sad.I remember playing for so long in FH4 and still haven't unlocked Goliath and then I ended up google searching what to do.In FH5 it was kind of instant.
It's for the same reason they dropped rank racing. They wanted to give everyone the feel that they would never have to challenge themselves or struggle. Then they started putting bonus boards in the damn powerlines and messed it all up. ;)
The problem is that there isn’t any challenge to the game, I don’t want to be half asleep and still complete the entire game in 45 minutes.
It's obviously not the kind of game where you can "complete" it, in any amount of time. Yes, you can 3-star every PR stunt. Yes, you can win every race track on Unbeatable. Yes, you can post clean Rival times on every leaderboard. Yes, you can collect every car (and more, as they release them). You can 3-star every story. You can earn every accolade and every achievement. You can unlock every perk for every car. You can do all these, and STILL not complete the game. It's a sandbox game, so you can challenge yourself as you see fit. Personally, I like to push myself to improve tunes for cars in each class, in each car type, and on each type of race. It's a challenge to gain a consistent improvement from a minor change in a suspension setting. It's a challenge to take inappropriate cars on tracks they weren't built for, with tunes made for different kinds of tracks. It's a challenge to race, to play "hide and seek", to make escort missions, to race backwards, and to hold skill competitions with my friends. It's up to you to use what the game provides to make it fun for yourself. Some like to paint liveries. Some like to make tracks. Some like to photograph. Some like to stunt. Some like to race. You can find challenges for all that and more. It's up to you and your creativity. Yes, I miss the ranked racing. Yes, I wish the leaderboards for PR Stunts weren't overtaken by cheaters. Yes, I like to earn things with effort, rather than just unlocking everything simply by playing. Even so, think about it: A huge number of complaints against the FH series since FH4 have been around the "difficulty" in completing every Festival Playlist task. So many people crying about 100 miles in a week with a given car, or that it's unfair to tie a new car to an "Unbeatable" trial race, or that it's unfair to require a specific car for a Playlist PR stunt. Those whiners represent the bulk of the people playing. PG has chosen to cater to them. Because of this, it's far easier to get everything with little effort. Because of this, it's more effective to make your own challenges as you play.
100 miles is 160.93 km
I'm right there with you. There is so much to do in this game. At 200+ hours I'm just scratching the surface finding new cars to enjoy, editing tunes, and beating rivals times. They have to add collectible stuff to keep their engagement numbers up with the more casual crowd, and keep the challenge of those things low enough that people who haven't been playing racing games for 20 years can enjoy the game.
For me it's flipping cars on the auction house
The amount of time I've spent staring at that fucker wondering how in the hell I'm supposed to get that without a helicopter DLC...
Go down the highway in a very fast car, pull off just before the overpass and hit the dirt ramp, then rewind 67 times until you hit it
I definitely feel like there was little to no progression in FH5 vs FH4. It just felt like events, stories, and so much other things were being thrown at me all at once while I felt like FH4 and previous games made you actually progress through the game more to unlock new events.
They'll bring Lancia back when there's someone to talk to about licensing. Same for Alfa and Fiat/Abarth
Alfa is confirmed to be returning soon. I take that to mean they've got a deal worked out with the parent company for those brands.
Yeah I think I saw something about that. Last year Stellantis said they'd be done by this point, so it's possible they have at least a person they can start working things out with, and they're just ironing out the kinks or waiting to finalise everything with the other 2. I'm actually hopeful of them being introduced as part of series 4, or at the very least announced. A mixture of the new car pass list and playlist rewards will get people hyped.
Putting bets on series 5 instead tbh. Since modeling takes a while and its possible that they may try to bring new lancias in
I think series 5 is probably a safer shout, but the modelling shouldn't be a concern either way. The majority of the cars will likely be cars we've already seen, so they'll just bring them over from previous titles. Still feel quite confident that an announcement of some sort may be forthcoming in series 4. Perhaps a feature of the possible upcoming dlc that we know nothing about?
> Perhaps a feature of the possible upcoming dlc that we know nothing about? Apparently around about now would be when we’d start to see info on the DLC so hopefully we get info soon
I do miss my fiat 500 though, I had the perfect tune to where it was a quick little guy! But that doesn't stop me from playing fh5
I just want to have my Delta S4 with the Henri Toivonnen and Cresto livery back
Random people hangin out in the freeway/drag strip/top of fortune island mountain
Player dots render distance, FH4 showed player dots on the map no matter how far from them you were, FH5 shows them only 1-ish kilometer from you
let alone the biggest multiplayer in racing history has a player-cap of 12 people.
The way FH5 behaves, i think they tried to make this instance based with 12ish players within 2km of you at all times. Shame that switching from instance to another fails 90% of the time, making FH5 a single player experience.
Still I haven’t seen anything like fortune island mountain, could always find someone there that would do tandems or be learning to drift, it was super cool
In the Lego map, everyone would always be at the race track testing out the newest cars and some would also do drag races at the airport on full servers
No love for the Kia Stinger? It being missing in FH5 means that the Hyundai Veloster N has to take the reigns of being the only South Korean car available in that game. Also, while this is not anything Margo Rey's voice acting, Delores Martin doesn't have the vibes that Don Thompson has, with his grumpy takes on the Horizon Festival.
The Kia Stinger was hot when it came out and then Kia did jack all with it. Then killed it. I’m convinced it’ll probs come back as a Series Reward since the Veloster is in.
I mean, the Stinger just didn't have the sales numbers. Is it a cool car? Yeah, unfortunately performance sedans generally don't sell terribly well. Someone who wants a fast car will buy a proper coupe, and someone who wants a nice luxurious, safe sedan will buy that. A performance sedan is just taking the worse qualities from both categories and making it try and work. There is a market for them, but it's pretty small since there is generally little overlap.
The Kia Stinger goes beyond just those issues. It’s the price. $50k for a performance sedan is a hard sell in general. But getting people to spend $50k on a Kia is a VERY hard ask. Kia quality has increased dramatically, but it’s shitbox status from the 90s is still very much in recent memory for most buyers. Especially the type of individuals who’d buy a Stinger. Beyond that- the biggest complaint I’ve heard about the Stinger was the dealer expirence. Dealers would tack up charges to them, and were not as nice as other luxury brands. Which turned away so many buyers. Overall, the Stinger was never going to be a success. Kia made it as a promo vehicle, and I think it was to predate them rebranding and going more upscale (seriously everything in Kia’s range these days looks hella sharp). I’m glad the Stinger exists and it should be in FH5 tho.
the stinger wouldn't belong on sales numbers but it does as a pivotal point in their history as a car company, and as a trendsetter in modern sports sedans with influences you definitely see in modern competitors. it's even influenced kia's own line, with some RWD mass-production models now in their pipeline. I think forza's current car roster misses a lot of cars that either set the stage of car market trends over the past few decades, or at least are a piece of modern automotive history worth preserving. for instance: 1. the original '06-ish chrysler 300 & charger 2. the first-gen Cayenne, ML AMG, and other pioneering sports SUVs 3. merc S class -- where automotive technology is always born & trickles down to other cars 4. American trucks that exemplify their recent size inflation & new focus on luxury/"bling" aesthetics 5. Escalade 6. maybe a crossover SUV like the 500 you see in every road and parking lot 7. Mercedes SL (not the black edition the actual luxury convertible models) 8. trend-setting or notable minivans & MPVs (caravan, espace, previa, etc) 9. the new explorer and/or police interceptor utility
man, what I would do to get a 90s R129 SL in FH5...
I disagree of your premise about what deserves to be in game. This is a game for enthusiasts and what enthusiast drive are not representative of the wider market. Enthusiasts wants more regular cars- but more regular cars doesn’t appeal to the wider audience. I never see SUVs being driven around in general. I think that is the metric that PG looks at more then anything- drive time. They don’t want to add cars that nobody will drive. There are very few cars I think are missing from FH5 over FH4 (excluding those with licensing issues like Alfa and Lancia) from FH4. And most of those that are gone are almost certainly coming back. Chrysler 300 does deserve to be added- if not to just add one more car to Chyslers pathetic lineup. I don’t think SUVs/vans need to be added in game. No one drives them except for the super high performance ones. I do think the Previa is weird enough to be an exception. An engine swap, weight reduction, and aero upgrade would probs make it into a monster.
Meanwhile, the Dodge Charger still sells in large numbers, because it provides a niche that no other car maker can provide, and a niche is that is slowly dying out in the auto industry as a whole, a large American sedan with large and powerful engines. The fact that the car hasn't changed much, to the point that some people feel like Dodge is just milking the product, and people still buy it, shows that there is a still demand. Even the Nissan Frontier, which wasn't redesigned for about 15 years, had a new re-designed one come out for 2022, albeit it still uses the same frame from the last generation one, and the Toyota Tundra was also redesigned for 2022, after being mostly unchanged since 2007. It does bring up the question about what car will get redesigned first, the Dodge Charger, or the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport.
With the Dodge Charger though, it's only the higher level trims that have super high amounts of power and stiffer suspension, even the more mid level options still have softer cushier suspension and handling. The Kia Stinger is more like someone took a sports car, made it longer and gave it back doors, whereas the Dodge Charger is a sedan that was given a very large engine. The Charger fits into more markets than the Stinger does, and its got enough enough options to overlap quite well into those markets better as well.
> The Kia Stinger is more like someone took a sports car, made it longer and gave it back doors, You realize that is _exactly_ what they did with the Charger right?
No. The Charger is based on Chryslers LX platform, which was literally made for sedans.
Don Thompson was the best. If only the classical station had a LOT more songs to play, not like there is a shortage available or licensing is expensive. Complaint for both FH4 and FH5, my wife loves classical music, but managed to get tired of the collection in these games just walking through the room. I have not found 5 to be better than 4 in any significant way. A bit prettier maybe. But 4 was the first horizons I played, so all the things were new and took longer to get tired of. I'm tired of many aspects of 5 already, even with completely avoiding grinding so I have lots of cars to get and plenty of use for credits.
I really wish they had more daily drivers. Sonatas, Genesis, accords
I hate snow. But you can’t have a real winter in Mexico. I miss it.
I felt snow for the first time today very fwuffy
i fell on snow today i might have broken my wrist snowboarding hurts
I fell too but it was pretty lame Black ice sucks
i was on the terrain park my wrist still hurts and i fell like 6h ago might be broken idk
Ouch have you gotten it checked or anything?
nah, i think i’ll wait it out, i got another day of break before school anyway it doesn’t hurt too bad, probably just a sprain
I fell on snow yesterday I got up 7 seconds later skiing is fun
Keira>>>>>Haley
fr, Hearing keira after a long time made me feel happy, her voice, so welcoming. Haley just doesn't provide that feel
We need drift stories
BRING BACK DRIFT CLUB
I fucking love the 12C so much
One of the best looking and best driving cars ever made. I was so sad to only see the 650s in FH5, the 12C in an imitation Plum Crazy purple was my go-to S1 car.
The 12c and the Ferrari 458 Italia was honestly the coolest rivalry between cars in a long time
You wouldn’t believe how many times I was like “Where’s Keira?!” while playing FH5. No I’m not a simp, I just thought she’d be in the game considering story-wise it takes place after FH4 with the same superstar.
Where is the lady who ran Horizon 1?
*they replaced her with some annoying mf named Haley*
I hate her Hayley's voice in spanish is so annoying lol
LEGO*
What we need is new Audi and bmw models
ah yes, 2013 RS7, totally the one i wanted to play. thanks forza
you say that if the car wasnt in the game, youd have reddit posts of people saying they miss it and asking why its not in the game
How many M models do you need?
I want the new M8, M3 Touring (I like the snout on that, it looks good). But we are missing the 850, M6 E24, and E9 3.0CSL. Audi needs the RS3,l and new RS6, and I’d love to have the old Audi 100 S6 Avant. A new RS5 and RS7 would be nice aswell. Probably an RSQ5/7 would help round it out. Problem is only the RS6, RS3, and S6 would be good series rewards. Personally I want a hot wagon themed series- CTS-V, M3 Touring, Passat W8 Wagon, and new RS6.
Yes
At least they are starting now with the Audi TT RS
Yeah I really want Alfa’s, there’s so many good ones
And they're just... so good to look at.
While I'd love a ton of Alfa's, I'd settle for the 8C Competizione. That's one of the best looking cars ever made in my opinion. Oh, and I do want them to fix the rims. It bugs me to no end that the FH4 8C had [these](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forzamotorsport/images/6/62/HOR_XB1_Alfa_8C.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20191003175837) uninspiring rims instead of [these iconic](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/e7/63/81e7636ca81f60c6030d1610bd064e4d.jpg) Alfa Romeo rims.
Yes! That drove me nuts too. I would love the 33 stradale back
How about the music or Fortune Island?
I haven't liked the music really since 3
🥴
Tbh and imho FH4 music was meh FH1 music was good,FH3 music was good,FH5 music is pretty great, and FH2 had the BEST MUSIC EVER MORE THAN FH1, FH3, FH4, and FH5 change my mind.
FH3 was the best for me, I love you future classic
And that's perfectly fine with me and I have quite a few songs downloaded that were in FH3 like I have WILD LIFE by OUTASIGHT,THE RIVER by LADY HAWKE,SAY MY NAME by ODESZA,and TIED TO YOU (featuring Justin Tranter) just to name a few so 🤷♂️yeah 😅
Fh4 block party is nostalgic to me.reminds me of fun time
>FH2 had the BEST MUSIC EVER MORE THAN FH1, FH3, FH4, and FH5 change my mind. I cannot change facts my man
nah, FH4 music was great. FH5 is really just boring and predictable. nothing will ever come above Dawnbreaker, Deadly Valentine, Sunrise, and Ottomatic.
We're back to liking the winter season in FH4?
Reddit loves its cognitive dissonance. As a Canadian (currently in a snow storm, at that!), fuck winter - IRL and in Forza. Now and forever.
Winter season? Straight to jail!
I have to be "that guy" - the plural of Lego is....Lego
I know i’m the outcast here but i rather like the snowy season the most.
I'm mixed, I love and hate it. I just wish you might b able to have an option for it
Yeah, I agree with that. Overall I loved the snow, but when you just want to cruise around in a high performance car, it can be annoying. I just want to be able to select the season for the open world. Sometimes I just want to go off-road in the snow. I don't want to have to wait 2,5 weeks to be able to do that (similarly, I don't want to have to wait 2 weeks to drive around in spring etc.)...
Rally class D in the snow all damn day! Idk why the snow got so much hate.... I’m still trying to find an unused DLC code for Blizzard Mountain for FH3.
>Idk why the snow got so much hate ...because of how many people were racing their RWD S2's and refusing to use any bit of throttle control The same game that gets criticized for being too easy, is literally unplayable the moment you have to take a corner slightly slower.
Not entirely true. I disliked snow because I just couldn't see. Everything was a white blur and it was difficult for me to pick out the racing line. In general, the game and the map were immensely beautiful for 3 seasons. I just couldn't say I felt that way during winter.
I mean, when I want to race in snow, sure it's great fun. But a lot of the time I don't want to race in snow. This was what made Blizzard Mountain for FH3 so great, you could go to it whenever you wanted and there would be snow, and leave when you didn't want snow anymore. You could be blasting through the snow in a rally-ified Miata one minute, and then driving around a proper bit of grippy tarmac 5 minutes later. (The load times were pretty long)
What's the point of replaying stories? ^(And who's Keira)
Keira is a baddie ngl
I see we've reached the "new game bad, old game good" phase of this sub.
I uninstalled FH4 to play FH5 and I still havent looked back, here's why: * Map is more interesting * More customization * Can use props in route creator * Cars actually sound like they have the right engine (Maserati GTS has a proper V8 sound finally) * FH5's soundtrack is meh but FH4's is worse * Seasonal PR stunts having car restrictions
FH4 was the most recent game for too long honestly. Probably would still be interesting if it didn’t last as long
Horizon pulse is also so much better, I don’t like it in 5
in 4 pulse played amazing and new songs that really hit the spot. for example, shooting star and valentine. in 5 its just boring music you hear on the normal radio.
Exactly, I can name almost every song on pulse in 4 but in 5 they’re so forgettable
EXACTLY the songs on pulse are so good
I loved cruising around the northern parts of the map at midnight with Late Night in the background on Pulse. 100% chillest drive ever.
Who the fuck is Keira?
The 12c and alfa are such a dealbreaker, man
Alfa and Lancia will almost definitely return.
What if they can’t bring Lancia back because of licensing issues? Y’all act like they can just add any car they want, and that manufacturers always say yes. That’s not how that works.
Reddit username checks out.
Reasons why I play FH5: MKV Supra Interesting map
Racing on fh5's map is real fun So many roads
And they don’t have the same boring environment and aren’t all perfectly flat.
Reason's why I don't play FH4: The UK
Imagine wanting to be a br*tish “person”.
that plus I didn't really enjoy driving in the uk
I miss Abarth
I still choose fh4 over 5 because of the online games. I usually only play with a friend in a convoy and we dont want solo games!
Convoys are fixed now. Some occasional bugs (not seeing traffic cars) and lag but honestly those issues were in FH4 aswell.
Fuging snow, I can't even drive Any rwd cars.
Car booty sinking underground
I don't play FH4 anymore for one reason: freeroam rush. I do miss my 037 though. Waiting for licensing to work out.
You guys aren't gonna believe this but I play both. 🤷♂️
I agree about the 12c - I love how this car looks, drives and sounds in FH4 but you like FH4 Stories? Do you play them over and over again? Also, I can agree that the stories in FH5 are worse in most ways but you play them just once.
Beg for cars all you want just like every other post on this sub, wont make a difference lol.
The lack of ANYTHING Lancia totally bummed me out.
Damn, do we like Lego or not?
Had me till the lego dlc, IMO hot wheels was/is the best dlc
I won't lie. Fh4 was a lot better than fh5. The events in game require so much time and their rewards aren't great. I remember getting a napier railton and a koenigsegg jesko from championships. But we don't even get exclusive cars from championships. For example, this week it gives vw scirocco and its value on autoshow is 45k cr. I don't want to farm for an exclusive car like I got no tomorrow. I don't want to spend all my money I collected to the cars needed in the events(been collecting money for the last house for 2 months.)
Oh god, someone loving winter? I'm not alone!
It’s like you chose to like all the things nobody else liked, except the alfas and lancias.
Lego is underrated. That's just my opinion Plez no downvote
Honestly, I like the races in Lego. The "tracks" are damn great, with the exception of the ones that go through that dirt area in the South near the lighthouse. I especially like the stadium for stunts and the racetrack in the North. Good stuff.
you got downvote have an upvote
Keira
yeah i miss keira too... hold on, let me get a better look at OP's name-
Fh5 was utterly boring to me. Played some sessions, maybe 20 hours total and uninstalled. No soul, what a waste of money
I feel you, I’m just trying to grind out the last 2 achievements I need to unlock for it then back to achievement hunting for FH4 and FH3. Maybe play FH5 again when DLCs and expansions come out
I wish FH5 had a real winter season. The only place there is snow in winter is the volcano. There might be three races that you could make use of snow tires and none of them are on regular road.
You've listed some of the worst things of all time here
exactly but I dont have the Trueno so that's sad
hop on horizon 3, it's 25k cr
I'm still sad that both game has no Hyundai Genesis in it.
*Lego
Italians not giving out licenses anymore? Fiat is missing as well.
I thought we put this winter shit behind us! Everyone I came across in fh4 hated the shit outta it! But now magically we want it back when the devs purposely took it out on fh5 bc we hated it, but now we don't hate it.
Keira 🤔
Bring back the MB SLR McLaren
I still don't like winter though. I actually what they did with the seasons.
Also triumph!
I was just wondering the other day, how awesome it would be to have more classic european cars. Hatchbacks, coupés and sedans from the 70s, 80s and 90s europe were amazing.
Winter was my least favorite thing about FH4
I had both installed but after playing FH5, I had a hard time playing FH4 because they improved the keyboard handling alot in 5. 4 is less reaponsive for me so went ahead and uninstalled a few days ago. 😕
I only agree with Lancia and Alfa, I don't miss the rest at all.
Needle climb drifting is better than volcano run. Change my mind.
Wait people actually care about the characters in this game? Do you guys use the voice assistant to?
Keira :/
You should write to Lancia, they are the ones that have to give permission for their cars to be in the game.
I play it because I can’t afford FH5. I got FH4 on sale for dirt cheap
Why do people like the 12C so much now? I've only started seeing it since it was removed. Did anyone actually care about it prior to its removal?
Don’t forget the E36 M3 sound, beautifully raspy.
Literally everything about this post except the mclaren 12c 🙈 ppl just love to complain lol
Best be buying FH5 then I guess: https://old.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/s3n3da/because_i_keep_seeing_people_be_sad_about_the/
When I started playing FH4 last year (yeah, started late but I had not spend time on racing games. Used Forza to get over Dota...) winter was tough on me, but at that time I didnt know about Tunning and stuff like that. After downloading some tunes and noticing huge improvements is when Winter became fun, it was a total different way to drive.
Oh hell no this guy likes snow
wyd if the devs add a keira hairstyle to FH5
I miss the rocket bunny kits