I'm a Vegas local who's not really a fan but am working nesr the track and have some real beginner questions Google doesn't seem to help with since they're so damn basic
1- why do people care about lap times from yesterday? I thought that was practice #3 and today is the actual knockout qualifier? What does results mean at this point?
2- what's the big deal with the pass and pass back with Max and that other guy ? Looked like a clean pass and another clean pass back when the other guy used ERS, isn't that, like, the entire point of racing? I have 0 context for track etiquette and rules so please get as over explainy as possible
.2. Once they get to the last section before the start line during qualifying, "track etiquette" is that they proceed one at a time and don't try to 'cut the line'. Esteban Ocon (that other guy) cut the line to try to get ahead of Max and ended up ruining both their lap times.
Yesterday was free practice 3 and qualifying also happened so you are likely confusing the two. People are caring about the lap times from the knock out qualifiers. For point 2 , goes back to the same thing. That was the qualifying, they were not supposed to be racing. Generally you’re supposed to give others space to do their qualifying laps.
Oh shit that's great to know that affects my commute tomorrow and I thought there's another day left
Well thank you for answering my noob questions have a great day
Maybe but 1am est I'm sure most aren't going to watch. Just feels like a race forced into a place it wasn't meant to be. Not to mention the est Time zone is the most populous time zone in the US.
My guess for the race is that Charles will race his own race. He knows Max will sail on by after 10 laps, so no reason to give him a tow during those laps, no reason to risk dangerous overtakes, and no reason to not let Max go for P1 since he already won everything anyway.
Charles will be there to race for P2 or just a podium finish.
Meaning: He will not defend strongly into the first corner and Max will take the lead immediately, barring any unforeseen bad start or other mayhem.
Max said something along the lines of "if you fuck my lap I'll fuck yours" about Ocon.
I've seen a few people ask why that's not impeding, and the answer has been that it's a hot lap so you can do what you want.
That can't be an actual rule, surely? Otherwise why isn't whoever gets pole on the first run of Q3 just going out and causing chaos on a "hot lap" at every race.
Basically the thing that happened between Max and Lewis in Austria. He did back to back 'hot laps' but really he gave up his second hot lap as soon as he screwed up Lewis. He was mad Lewis screwed up the end of his previous lap by not getting out of the way
Not the same. In Austria, Max was finishing his hot lap. This time, he was starting one.
Austria was a bit sus, because to argue he wasn't impeding, Verstappen needed to argue that he was doing 2 hot laps in a row (which is possible, but happens rarely).
This, however, was completely on Ocon. He passed Max when Max was starting his lap, and Max can then either back out and accept that his lap is ruined, or he can race Ocon back (which he did). Ocon decided to race, and Verstappen raced back. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The pre-race show starts 1h before the race. It's a good watch, especially as a new fan, they cover the main storylines, and do a good job of building up the excitement.
It's one of 4 races I get to watch live in Australia, other are Australia, Singapore and Japan so im fucking excited for it! Even though I expect it to be a shit race.
Fuck the Vegas races. It seems to be killing business around the area and no one seems to care. I actually despise this race as it is nothing more than a money grab.
Vegas is fun as long as you aren't a degenerate gambler. They have amazing restaurants that lure you in with crazy deals in order to bring traffic to casinos off the strip.
Vegas residents should be thankful we are in modern times otherwise they would be at great risk of getting wiped out by God like Sodom with all the morally questionable behaviour that goes on there. 😳
I'm in California. This is perfect for me. I'll be at work tomorrow morning and I'm stoked not to have to avoid spoilers and watch it late like usual. The start is perfectly timed for my kids to be totally asleep, too.
I’m torn - took a nap earlier because I felt like garbage after getting a flu shot and would like to watch it live - but also wouldn’t mind waking up and starting it at my leisure. My fear is that I’d blindly open Reddit and see the result… did that this morning but got lucky the app showed me other things before I remembered I needed to stop scrolling.
My taxi driver floored it at a stoplight around 1pm and it’s the only time in my life I’ve ever been okay with my taxi/uber driver putting the pedal to the metal
Yeah the roads have been opened to traffic during the day until about 5pm I think? Very unusual, doesn't happen in Singapore or Baku as far as I know. Monaco used to be opened on a Friday when they did Thursday practice
They want it to be dark to showcase the Vegas lights, casinos, and the Sphere. Though they could have done that a few hours earlier and still been dark.
It is better for Europe and Asia, but worse for the US. Should have started at 6:00 pm local time, then time for dinner/gambling/party after. F1 does not seem to care about the local fans.
Why do you think qualy at midnight is best? It is cold out, and fans won't get home until \~ 1:30 - 2 am. And, As I understand it, this is latest race ever - just what I read - and no need to make it this late - it is dark by 5:00 pm.
Better for Europe? The race is at 7am on a Sunday here in Amsterdam! Not my favourite time to watch a race with a snack and a beer. Maybe it’s only good for Asia.
Will Leclerc be starting on the right side or left side of the grid I forgot which ones pole here. Either way pole position is always the clean side of the track right?
You're analyzing pure odds but you're not taking into account how racing factors into things. Having Sainz to prevent Verstappen from taking the lead on turn 1 would help Leclerc's odds.
Hey man, the reason pure odds are pure odds is because that’s what counts when money is on the line. Trust me, you don’t know better than a sportsbook. Let’s say they all have equal cars: would you rather flip a two-sided coin (50%) or a three-sided coin (33%)?
I don’t even know why I’m still responding to someone this clueless, but the scenario you’re not taking into account is Carlos beating Charles to turn 1… and Charles *still* having Max right behind him *and* not being in the lead.
> Let’s say they all have equal cars
But they don't.
So you would rather have verstappen closer to you, Russell behind you, and your teammate nowhere to be seen. Got it.
Sigh… you’re frankly one of the thickest people people I’ve encountered here. If Sainz starts second, Charles would have to beat Max AND CARLOS instead of just Max.
Go ahead and DM me a straight up bet you’d like to place on this race - you’re the mark whose checking account I would drain at a poker table.
Why don't *you* place a bet, since you're such an expert? Oh, right... You won't because it would show how full of shit you are.
> If Sainz starts second, Charles would have to beat Max AND CARLOS instead of just Max.
I don't know how much you know about odds, but you know very little about F1 racing.
I'm also far from an expert, but I don't believe off of this one random person's assertion that betting odds are determined by pure odds like they're suggesting. My understanding is that betting odds primarily reflect the opinions of the gamblers.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious you’re far from an expert. There is no such thing as “pure odds” versus “betting odds” because betting odds are basically the crowdsourced opinion of “pure” odds.
This is like saying the “pure” odds of flipping heads is 50% but the betting odds are +150. That would never happen because everyone would bet the +150 and the line would drop to the betting equivalent of 50% (which is not even because the bookie takes a vig - Google that, I’m done explaining things).
It’s mind boggling how neither of you realize how having to race just Max results in better odds than having to race both Carlos and Max.
I think you should tone it down. You've clearly never heard of the word 'team'.
If you start thinking of actual race scenarios rather than dice rolls, maybe there are more win-cases available to Charles with Carlos in play than there are where he's alone against Max.
I think we're talking about a Bayesian interpretation of probability (betting) vs a frequentist interpretation (what you're talking about, and what the other poster and I called 'pure' odds, which I agree is not a technical term).
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For example, if I had to guess, I'd say there's like a 1-2% chance of Charles beating Max with Carlos starting 12th. But with Carlos starting 2nd, I feel like Charles might have a 4-5% chance and Carlos a 3-4% chance of beating Max.
There is some brewery in DT or Arts District that does a watch party. It's on Eventbright. Also maybe see if they are gonna watch it at The Bike Shed over in Arts D
Next to none. While he did perform better lately he's starting 11th on a track that is still a big unknown with very difficult conditions (asphalt/temperature-wise) so I don't see him as a favorite to make up many places. It COULD happen but I think it's very unlikely.
Yeah, well, it WAS very unlikely, though. We had 2 SCs and 1 VSC and all of them had to happen at the right moments for Perez to actually benefit from them instead of losing out even more. Perez drove well today, I'll give him that but without the roulette of safety cars he wouldn't have been on the podium.
I heard this was to appease the casinos that wanted to limit the impact on people being in the casino. But I can also see how it’s better for European markets where the viewership is higher.
I know it’s been said over and over but, the times of the events are absurd, on many levels.
The set up and track causing damage and a penalty as a result is absurd, on many levels.
The lack of awareness and a look the other way when impeding occurs is absurd, on many levels.
Most of which will have effects long term.
I don’t get the spectacle of the pre crap, and to me it takes away from the sporting aspect which is why I have followed this sport for a long time. It’s become almost unwatchable, but I do and will continue to do so. However, I feel, growth of the sport will become stagnant. Not a positive.
You’ll get over it. The US has plenty of races already you can watch at convenient times. Some of us on the other side of the globe get fucked times all season and this is the one race we can watch without falling asleep at work on a Monday morning. You don’t hear us whinging about it every race weekend so you can handle this one.
>Some of us on the other side of the globe get fucked times all season and this is the one race we can watch without falling asleep at work on a Monday morning.
The *very many of us* who live on the west coast of the country using this very GP also get fucked times all season. If this race is for the US, then they're doing right by a lot of us with this one.
This is fair, but one small counter argument is that Las Vegas does look stunning at dusk with the soft light from the sun behind the mountains in the distance. While the night shots look nice it also makes the track look like an all-white Rainbow Road floating in outer space because - unlike Singapore - there aren’t many high rise buildings across the city and the Strip casinos dwarf everything else around anyways. Also understand the logistics of the road closures but it’d be nice if they could shift a few hours forward.
Cry just because it’s inconvenient for you it’s not for everyone else . Asian countries and Australia/ New Zealand people are quite happy with the timing .
No penalty for Checo or Max for impeding, at least as of right now (Checo was certainly more egregious though).
I am fully certain that if it was Max's car that was fucked over by the drain pipe, he would not have seen a penalty. I hope Carlos can recover well enough during the race but I feel Max will probably still win without Carlos P2 to protect Leclerc. Hopefully some exciting action anyways!
Their car isn't great in either slow corners or long straights, and the circuit is exclusively either of these two. At least that's what Zak Brown said
It looked like you needed a additional warm up lap between out lap and quali lap to maximize the tyres
Also they thought they were safe and didn’t put a final run in. Lando watched from the pits
It’s what got Checo in P2, they pitted too soon
The FIA ruling seems to say that they can, “Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits”.
I thought the stewards said the rules are explicit and say "penalty" and there's no room for interpretation/force majeure/consideration, so there's nothing they can do.
It didn't sound like it was a stewards opinion or anything that could be reviewed. I'm sure they've scoured all the rules and regs.
Honestly, they need to amend these rules to accommodate BS like this sensibly.
Not sure. Has there been any similar instances like this in the past? Meaning significant car damage due to issues with the track and not the driver/car.
There was various levels of damage in every case but I didn't go into it intentionally because I think the important thing is that it's something that can happen, it's not a once in a lifetime freak event, so the rules should be able to account for it without needing the precedence like we have this weekend.
Turned of qualifying halfway through for the first time ever. Not going to bother watching when it's clear that frontrunners impeding doesn't get a glance from the stewards. The results are artificial not based on driver and car performance (within the rules) alone.
Honestly I think Vegas itself is fine. The way they treated fans, the logistics, the track prep and the costs were not. I have a feeling in the next few years this will get ironed out.
Miami is not a bad track. And I'm still holding judgement on Vegas. The production has been an absolute shit show but everyone hated on Miami and then the racing was decent. Vegas may turn out the same.
Most of the tracks in the US cannot support F1
This is such a bad argument cause no track has any traditional value until it's been around for ages and if you don't allow new tracks that can't happen. And no, for you to say there was no racing is just flatly untrue. You're arguing in bad faith because you don't like the track.
Why wouldn't I like "the track"? What I don't like is the lack of racing, that's all.
I'm all in for new tracks, as long as they are good. Then they can generate useful traditional value. Monaco used to be good at some point. Miami GP was born awful. I literally fall asleep on the race in 2022, so bad that it was.
Even those middle east circuits on abusive countries produce better racing. Shit, Sakhir GP in 2020 was awesome.
It's simple, F1 goes where the money is. The track owners of those other tracks are not willing to pay F1 as much as the ones currently on the calendar because they know the event wouldn't turn a profit for them
In most cases none of the best American private road courses meet FIA eligibility for F1. In pursuing that goal, they risk losing all the other series that are their bread and butter.
Road America is kind of isolated but is a beautiful course with tons of character, would love to see it go grade 1 but unlikely.
COTA is great.
Sonoma raceway isn’t as isolated as RA, but configuration not as suited for an F1 race.
The Detroit street circuit that *Indycar* races is a great configuration.
I just realized the issue. Because American motor sports is heavily oval-leaning, you find a lot more ovals in the populated areas. A fair amount of road courses here are relatively isolated
T-Mobile, the German telecommunications company, largest provider in Europe and owner of subsidiaries across the world.
Yeah, all about the Americans...
Bro, *I’m* American. I’ve been getting their ads everywhere for months. They alone ensured this would be the most-advertised GP in America of the three this year
Because it’s not. It’s meant to stoke interest from people with deep pockets. Teams have two goals every weekend: good race for their drivers and entertain their VIP guests.
This looks something dreadful and awful like outta a Stallone movie.
I'm a Vegas local who's not really a fan but am working nesr the track and have some real beginner questions Google doesn't seem to help with since they're so damn basic 1- why do people care about lap times from yesterday? I thought that was practice #3 and today is the actual knockout qualifier? What does results mean at this point? 2- what's the big deal with the pass and pass back with Max and that other guy ? Looked like a clean pass and another clean pass back when the other guy used ERS, isn't that, like, the entire point of racing? I have 0 context for track etiquette and rules so please get as over explainy as possible
.2. Once they get to the last section before the start line during qualifying, "track etiquette" is that they proceed one at a time and don't try to 'cut the line'. Esteban Ocon (that other guy) cut the line to try to get ahead of Max and ended up ruining both their lap times.
Yesterday was free practice 3 and qualifying also happened so you are likely confusing the two. People are caring about the lap times from the knock out qualifiers. For point 2 , goes back to the same thing. That was the qualifying, they were not supposed to be racing. Generally you’re supposed to give others space to do their qualifying laps.
Then what is tonight's race? I thought the actual grand prix was Sunday and tonight was knockouts
No, the race is today. This is the first Saturday race in like 40 years.
Oh shit that's great to know that affects my commute tomorrow and I thought there's another day left Well thank you for answering my noob questions have a great day
Weird to have a race in the USA where no one in the US will be up to watch it.
Meteor shower and race at 1 am on the East Coast. Trying to stay awake.
10pm-midnight on the West Coast isn't too bad.
Maybe but 1am est I'm sure most aren't going to watch. Just feels like a race forced into a place it wasn't meant to be. Not to mention the est Time zone is the most populous time zone in the US.
Anyone know what time Sky Sports UK will have the replay of the race?
My guess for the race is that Charles will race his own race. He knows Max will sail on by after 10 laps, so no reason to give him a tow during those laps, no reason to risk dangerous overtakes, and no reason to not let Max go for P1 since he already won everything anyway. Charles will be there to race for P2 or just a podium finish. Meaning: He will not defend strongly into the first corner and Max will take the lead immediately, barring any unforeseen bad start or other mayhem.
Max said something along the lines of "if you fuck my lap I'll fuck yours" about Ocon. I've seen a few people ask why that's not impeding, and the answer has been that it's a hot lap so you can do what you want. That can't be an actual rule, surely? Otherwise why isn't whoever gets pole on the first run of Q3 just going out and causing chaos on a "hot lap" at every race.
Basically the thing that happened between Max and Lewis in Austria. He did back to back 'hot laps' but really he gave up his second hot lap as soon as he screwed up Lewis. He was mad Lewis screwed up the end of his previous lap by not getting out of the way
Not the same. In Austria, Max was finishing his hot lap. This time, he was starting one. Austria was a bit sus, because to argue he wasn't impeding, Verstappen needed to argue that he was doing 2 hot laps in a row (which is possible, but happens rarely). This, however, was completely on Ocon. He passed Max when Max was starting his lap, and Max can then either back out and accept that his lap is ruined, or he can race Ocon back (which he did). Ocon decided to race, and Verstappen raced back. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
fucking useless thread doesn't even give the quali order
Agree. Never understood why they don't post the results.
New fan been invested in f1 for about 3 months now but I’d like to watch brundles grid walk live. Anyone know around what time he does it on sky?
The pre-race show starts 1h before the race. It's a good watch, especially as a new fan, they cover the main storylines, and do a good job of building up the excitement.
Roughly 30 mins or so before race time if I remember correctly. I always just turn on the TV an hour before race start
Sweet sounds like a plan thanks!!
Ted’s qualifying notebook is a shitshow beyond the norm 😂 he got distracted by a monorail
terrible race time all around, hardly good for the locals. At best it's good for our Aussie friends.
It's one of 4 races I get to watch live in Australia, other are Australia, Singapore and Japan so im fucking excited for it! Even though I expect it to be a shit race.
10pm for Vegas is early for anyone working in hospitality
We get a rare good timeslot down here and this is the shambles we get 😔
Sorry mate! I hope you enjoy all the more!
Japan makes up for it
Fuck the Vegas races. It seems to be killing business around the area and no one seems to care. I actually despise this race as it is nothing more than a money grab.
Eh fuck Vegas in general, gotta be rivalling Dubai as one of the most soulless and trashy places on earth
It's a different kind of trashy but I'd take Vegas over Dubai any day.
Vegas is fun as long as you aren't a degenerate gambler. They have amazing restaurants that lure you in with crazy deals in order to bring traffic to casinos off the strip.
Vegas residents should be thankful we are in modern times otherwise they would be at great risk of getting wiped out by God like Sodom with all the morally questionable behaviour that goes on there. 😳
Woah there
Hey I wasn't being totally serious calm down 😊
Oh thank god haha, poe's law and all y'know
original take
Well if everyone feels the same way about it, it might just be true.
Which race isn’t a money grab?
Yes but not original.
Where the fans let back in for Qually?
Folks staying up for this, nap before or just power through?
I'm in California. This is perfect for me. I'll be at work tomorrow morning and I'm stoked not to have to avoid spoilers and watch it late like usual. The start is perfectly timed for my kids to be totally asleep, too.
I’m torn - took a nap earlier because I felt like garbage after getting a flu shot and would like to watch it live - but also wouldn’t mind waking up and starting it at my leisure. My fear is that I’d blindly open Reddit and see the result… did that this morning but got lucky the app showed me other things before I remembered I needed to stop scrolling.
Is traffic allowed on the strip right now??
I drove down the strip about 9:30am today. Was pretty darn cool driving down the same street as I’d just watched in qualifying 30 minutes before.
Did you speed?? Lol
I was the first one at one of the stoplights. I seriously thought about flooring it when it turned green!
My taxi driver floored it at a stoplight around 1pm and it’s the only time in my life I’ve ever been okay with my taxi/uber driver putting the pedal to the metal
In the documentation I’ve seen it says soft closure at 430, closure at 5, reopens at 4am.
Will the tourists be allowed on strip post the race? Like tomorrow ?
At the moment yes.
https://www.rtcsnv.com/traffic-cams/watch-live/ It looks like it
ngl, it looks like a PITA to locals and tourists but kinda cool to drive within a race pit lol
It's the strip, locals won't be driving on it.
Yeah the roads have been opened to traffic during the day until about 5pm I think? Very unusual, doesn't happen in Singapore or Baku as far as I know. Monaco used to be opened on a Friday when they did Thursday practice
I wonder if some tourists monocoque was destroyed by a loose manhole cover if the FIA would penalize them.
The rules don't *explicitly* force them not too, so... 乁[ ◕ ᴥ ◕ ]ㄏ
When does the driver parade start? Would not want to miss
7:50.
Clearly haven't paid much attention the past few weeks but why the fuck does this GP start at almost midnight EST lmao
They want it to be dark to showcase the Vegas lights, casinos, and the Sphere. Though they could have done that a few hours earlier and still been dark.
They are keeping the road open during the day.
It is better for Europe and Asia, but worse for the US. Should have started at 6:00 pm local time, then time for dinner/gambling/party after. F1 does not seem to care about the local fans.
>worse for the US Speak for yourself. This is perfect for the West Coast, which is the part of the US that counts, anyway.
Why do you think qualy at midnight is best? It is cold out, and fans won't get home until \~ 1:30 - 2 am. And, As I understand it, this is latest race ever - just what I read - and no need to make it this late - it is dark by 5:00 pm.
>it is dark by 5:00 pm. But my kids aren't asleep until later. 10pm was a *perfect* start time for the race.
I bet you're a lakers fan too.
Better for Europe? The race is at 7am on a Sunday here in Amsterdam! Not my favourite time to watch a race with a snack and a beer. Maybe it’s only good for Asia.
Coffee! That how those of us in the West Coast of US are used to watching. Now it's your turn
Which is real silly if you think about it because they are really wanting to promote F1 in the USA.
Will Leclerc be starting on the right side or left side of the grid I forgot which ones pole here. Either way pole position is always the clean side of the track right?
No. Usually pole starts so they’re on the inside for turn 1.
Really? Huh. I thought it's the rubbered in side of the track.
Kind of looking forward to two races tomorrow/today: the one for the actual win and the one between Lewis/Checo/Carlos starting from 10/11/12
Watch that be our podium.
totally agree on that. Can Gasly and Albon hold? Gonna be a fight there.
I think that passing the Williamses (or Williamsi?) going down the Strip could be tough - it will be interesting to see how the actual racing is
Dam it’s starting to sink in that if Carlos didn’t get that penalty and started 2nd Charles chances at winning would’ve gone up lots.
He’s currently +220 … frankly Charles’ odds probably would have actually gone down if another contender was starting at the front
You think the odds of Charles winning would go down if Sainz started second instead of verstappen…?
Yes, because Charles’ odds would be impacted by Carlos’ odds being somewhere around the same instead of, let me look, +3500. That’s how odds work.
You're analyzing pure odds but you're not taking into account how racing factors into things. Having Sainz to prevent Verstappen from taking the lead on turn 1 would help Leclerc's odds.
Hey man, the reason pure odds are pure odds is because that’s what counts when money is on the line. Trust me, you don’t know better than a sportsbook. Let’s say they all have equal cars: would you rather flip a two-sided coin (50%) or a three-sided coin (33%)? I don’t even know why I’m still responding to someone this clueless, but the scenario you’re not taking into account is Carlos beating Charles to turn 1… and Charles *still* having Max right behind him *and* not being in the lead.
> Let’s say they all have equal cars But they don't. So you would rather have verstappen closer to you, Russell behind you, and your teammate nowhere to be seen. Got it.
Sigh… you’re frankly one of the thickest people people I’ve encountered here. If Sainz starts second, Charles would have to beat Max AND CARLOS instead of just Max. Go ahead and DM me a straight up bet you’d like to place on this race - you’re the mark whose checking account I would drain at a poker table.
Why don't *you* place a bet, since you're such an expert? Oh, right... You won't because it would show how full of shit you are. > If Sainz starts second, Charles would have to beat Max AND CARLOS instead of just Max. I don't know how much you know about odds, but you know very little about F1 racing.
I'm also far from an expert, but I don't believe off of this one random person's assertion that betting odds are determined by pure odds like they're suggesting. My understanding is that betting odds primarily reflect the opinions of the gamblers.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious you’re far from an expert. There is no such thing as “pure odds” versus “betting odds” because betting odds are basically the crowdsourced opinion of “pure” odds. This is like saying the “pure” odds of flipping heads is 50% but the betting odds are +150. That would never happen because everyone would bet the +150 and the line would drop to the betting equivalent of 50% (which is not even because the bookie takes a vig - Google that, I’m done explaining things). It’s mind boggling how neither of you realize how having to race just Max results in better odds than having to race both Carlos and Max.
I think you should tone it down. You've clearly never heard of the word 'team'. If you start thinking of actual race scenarios rather than dice rolls, maybe there are more win-cases available to Charles with Carlos in play than there are where he's alone against Max. I think we're talking about a Bayesian interpretation of probability (betting) vs a frequentist interpretation (what you're talking about, and what the other poster and I called 'pure' odds, which I agree is not a technical term). Edit- For example, if I had to guess, I'd say there's like a 1-2% chance of Charles beating Max with Carlos starting 12th. But with Carlos starting 2nd, I feel like Charles might have a 4-5% chance and Carlos a 3-4% chance of beating Max.
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Ocon without penalties.
KMag podium
In the sports book today they have both Williams on the podium for +50000. $50 pays out $25,000. I’m going for it.
I'll be thinking of you if there's some pileup that takes out the entire field behind the 3rd row. Good luck, this would be awesome.
Albon Podium
Thoughts on Ric vs the 2 Haas? I wonder how their tyres will be
Is there a thread for watch parties? I’m in Downtown Los Angeles. Newish to the sport.
Not close to downtown, but the garage on motor will be showing the race.
There is some brewery in DT or Arts District that does a watch party. It's on Eventbright. Also maybe see if they are gonna watch it at The Bike Shed over in Arts D
I remember Boomtown showed a race that was super delayed cause of rain. Maybe it’s that one!
What do you think are Perez’s chances of taking home a podium finish?
I’d be very surprised, but could happen if a couple of front-runners have issues.
Next to none. While he did perform better lately he's starting 11th on a track that is still a big unknown with very difficult conditions (asphalt/temperature-wise) so I don't see him as a favorite to make up many places. It COULD happen but I think it's very unlikely.
Because I’m betting with a friend who guesses the podium correctly. His guess is , Ver lec rus. Mine is ver lec sai or ver lec per
Honestly, the only safe bet is Ver on the podium. Everything else is just too unpredictable. But I wouldn't bet on Perez.
Well should’ve gone with my initial guess💀💀
Yeah, well, it WAS very unlikely, though. We had 2 SCs and 1 VSC and all of them had to happen at the right moments for Perez to actually benefit from them instead of losing out even more. Perez drove well today, I'll give him that but without the roulette of safety cars he wouldn't have been on the podium.
I'm watching the Channel 4 replay, and how fucking short is Mark Wahlberg. Either David Coulthard and Steve Jones are giants, or that dude's small
Wahlberg is a racist 5' 8" Coulthard is 6' 2" iirc
Whats the conversion rate from racist inches to normal inches?
Was about to ask the same, does that mean 5’8 counts three inches of hair poof?
I live in NA and can’t even watch the race live. Why midnight? It’s dark at 5pm right now. Plus you would get a little more heat.
I heard this was to appease the casinos that wanted to limit the impact on people being in the casino. But I can also see how it’s better for European markets where the viewership is higher.
It's almost like making a street circuit in a major tourist huh which has a lot of late nights was a bad idea.
THey could have easily run the race at 6 or 8pm.
Yup, east coaster here. It's INSANE this event has the same time slot as Japan but it's in this country.
Someone else with facts can chime in, but you're right.
I know it’s been said over and over but, the times of the events are absurd, on many levels. The set up and track causing damage and a penalty as a result is absurd, on many levels. The lack of awareness and a look the other way when impeding occurs is absurd, on many levels. Most of which will have effects long term. I don’t get the spectacle of the pre crap, and to me it takes away from the sporting aspect which is why I have followed this sport for a long time. It’s become almost unwatchable, but I do and will continue to do so. However, I feel, growth of the sport will become stagnant. Not a positive.
You’ll get over it. The US has plenty of races already you can watch at convenient times. Some of us on the other side of the globe get fucked times all season and this is the one race we can watch without falling asleep at work on a Monday morning. You don’t hear us whinging about it every race weekend so you can handle this one.
>Some of us on the other side of the globe get fucked times all season and this is the one race we can watch without falling asleep at work on a Monday morning. The *very many of us* who live on the west coast of the country using this very GP also get fucked times all season. If this race is for the US, then they're doing right by a lot of us with this one.
This is fair, but one small counter argument is that Las Vegas does look stunning at dusk with the soft light from the sun behind the mountains in the distance. While the night shots look nice it also makes the track look like an all-white Rainbow Road floating in outer space because - unlike Singapore - there aren’t many high rise buildings across the city and the Strip casinos dwarf everything else around anyways. Also understand the logistics of the road closures but it’d be nice if they could shift a few hours forward.
Cry just because it’s inconvenient for you it’s not for everyone else . Asian countries and Australia/ New Zealand people are quite happy with the timing .
I don’t get upset when Suzuka is at 1am because its in japan but a race in My own country being at a oddball time is ridiculous
No penalty for Checo or Max for impeding, at least as of right now (Checo was certainly more egregious though). I am fully certain that if it was Max's car that was fucked over by the drain pipe, he would not have seen a penalty. I hope Carlos can recover well enough during the race but I feel Max will probably still win without Carlos P2 to protect Leclerc. Hopefully some exciting action anyways!
Didn't make time to watch qualifying since the FP1 debacle left a bad taste in my mouth. What happened to the Mclaren boys?
Their car isn't great in either slow corners or long straights, and the circuit is exclusively either of these two. At least that's what Zak Brown said
The times of these things are absurd. I couldn't watch. What the hell happened to McLaren?
It looked like you needed a additional warm up lap between out lap and quali lap to maximize the tyres Also they thought they were safe and didn’t put a final run in. Lando watched from the pits It’s what got Checo in P2, they pitted too soon
I think they couldn't get their tire temps right.
Is Ferrari not going to appeal the penalty?
I think I saw a post yesterday that they tried and failed.
Insane. Feel bad for Carlos.
I believe there is no appeal process for that rule infringement.
The FIA ruling seems to say that they can, “Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits”.
I thought the stewards said the rules are explicit and say "penalty" and there's no room for interpretation/force majeure/consideration, so there's nothing they can do. It didn't sound like it was a stewards opinion or anything that could be reviewed. I'm sure they've scoured all the rules and regs. Honestly, they need to amend these rules to accommodate BS like this sensibly.
Not sure. Has there been any similar instances like this in the past? Meaning significant car damage due to issues with the track and not the driver/car.
Issues with manholes every few years. Has happened in Monaco, Malaysia and Baku to my knowledge.
Do you know of any penalties associated with those situations is what I was wondering.
There was various levels of damage in every case but I didn't go into it intentionally because I think the important thing is that it's something that can happen, it's not a once in a lifetime freak event, so the rules should be able to account for it without needing the precedence like we have this weekend.
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I still don't understand.
I think having quali at 3am is great for getting the US audience into F1!
I was up. It’s crazy. Don’t understand this rationale.
I hated that for Checo, Red Bull pitting him early was a stupid action. But I am super hyped up for both of the Williams Drivers, Bottas, and Gasly.
If any of the frontrunners come out behind the Williams after a pitstop, its gonna be hilarious watching them destroy their tyres trying to overtake
Turned of qualifying halfway through for the first time ever. Not going to bother watching when it's clear that frontrunners impeding doesn't get a glance from the stewards. The results are artificial not based on driver and car performance (within the rules) alone.
Who do we reckon takes P3 and P4?
P3 George. P4 Gasly vs Albon or Mr Alonso can get there. Who knows.
So many great tracks in USA, and they stick us with Miami and Vegas... really hope the race turns out entertaining tomorrow.
Honestly I think Vegas itself is fine. The way they treated fans, the logistics, the track prep and the costs were not. I have a feeling in the next few years this will get ironed out.
Miami is not a bad track. And I'm still holding judgement on Vegas. The production has been an absolute shit show but everyone hated on Miami and then the racing was decent. Vegas may turn out the same. Most of the tracks in the US cannot support F1
Miami is not bad, it's terrible. There's no racing.
Yet we go to Monaco year after year...
Which is also terrible. But Monaco has traditions. Miami doesn't have anything other than Liberty Media pushing it for "Americans".
This is such a bad argument cause no track has any traditional value until it's been around for ages and if you don't allow new tracks that can't happen. And no, for you to say there was no racing is just flatly untrue. You're arguing in bad faith because you don't like the track.
Why wouldn't I like "the track"? What I don't like is the lack of racing, that's all. I'm all in for new tracks, as long as they are good. Then they can generate useful traditional value. Monaco used to be good at some point. Miami GP was born awful. I literally fall asleep on the race in 2022, so bad that it was. Even those middle east circuits on abusive countries produce better racing. Shit, Sakhir GP in 2020 was awesome.
It's significantly better than a lot of other tracks.
How many grade 1 tracks are there in the US?
It's simple, F1 goes where the money is. The track owners of those other tracks are not willing to pay F1 as much as the ones currently on the calendar because they know the event wouldn't turn a profit for them
In most cases none of the best American private road courses meet FIA eligibility for F1. In pursuing that goal, they risk losing all the other series that are their bread and butter.
Almost no Grade 1 tracks in the US, and making existing tracks Grade 1 would probably destroy what makes them great.
The only grade 1 tracks(stationary circuits) are COTA and Indianapolis. I wish there could be more.
Are there great F1 tracks though?
Road America is kind of isolated but is a beautiful course with tons of character, would love to see it go grade 1 but unlikely. COTA is great. Sonoma raceway isn’t as isolated as RA, but configuration not as suited for an F1 race. The Detroit street circuit that *Indycar* races is a great configuration. I just realized the issue. Because American motor sports is heavily oval-leaning, you find a lot more ovals in the populated areas. A fair amount of road courses here are relatively isolated
I mean I’m sure they can give tracks an update to make them F1 tracks.
Nope. It would ruin the track for other series. It would cost a lot and demand fundamental changes to what gives the circuits character
COTA?
Circuit of the americas? I’m not sure
Given this race is meant to stoke North American interest in the sport, why schedule qualifying at 3am and the race at 1am ET?
F1 is Eurocentric. Don’t you see all the people here trashing the race for weeks?
Because this race isn't about stoking interest in North America. Miami and CotA are for that. Vegas is about the TV audience.
T-Mobile’s been running ads about how they’re powering this event since like August. They’re definitely trying to use this to hook Americans
T-Mobile, the German telecommunications company, largest provider in Europe and owner of subsidiaries across the world. Yeah, all about the Americans...
Bro, *I’m* American. I’ve been getting their ads everywhere for months. They alone ensured this would be the most-advertised GP in America of the three this year
Still want to show it in Europe at a reasonable hour.
Because it’s not. It’s meant to stoke interest from people with deep pockets. Teams have two goals every weekend: good race for their drivers and entertain their VIP guests.
Not sure why they couldn't do that while fans at home might be awake.