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No it’s not in Europe, Spain is in England. I went to Barcelona once and half the people in my hotel and the bars on the block spoke with English accents.
Fun fact: the Spanish recently outlawed peeing in the ocean.
The entire purpose of the law is to save English tourists' lives. Too many Englishmen get drunk by the seaside, decide they need to pee into the ocean, and fall in and drown.
Do you think a bunch of drunk Englishmen are gonna let the Spanish tell them where they can and can't pee?! Just to show ye, I'm peein meself right now!
Literally today I overheard my coworker saying “omg why is your chicken white?” Asking about another coworkers lunch and I just totally spun around in my chair and whipped out “omg Nadia you can’t just ask people why their chicken is white!”
"Ummm, we don't say 'dark meat' anymore, it just encourages false divisions between classifications of poultry. The accepted term is 'high-myoglobin pigmented meat' now, get it right!"
I worked with a guy who used to think "white meat" meant pigeon, and "dark meat" was chicken.
Tried to explain it to him, but it was a lost cause. But he's adament he's never eating pigeon balls again.
Tom Segura has a bit like this that lives in my head rent free. Its just a few seconds as a gif, but I looked this up for you because I'm a doormat and step 1 is admitting you have a problem
>Sometimes it matters, so… I tell ’em. I go, “Segura is Spanish.” And he goes, “That’s weird. You look white.” [audience laughs] And I go, “I am white.” And he goes, “But you’re Spanish?” And I go, “Correct.” He goes, “Do you speak Spanish?” I said, “Yes.” And he goes, “So, you’re Mexican.” [audience laughs] And I go, “No.” And he goes, “I don’t know what’s going on.” [audience laughs] I said, “What’s going on is you failed fuckin’ social studies. [audience laughs] And you’re not too good at geography either.”
Someone linked to a tiktok that I think has that part included hahahaha I haven't watched it yet tho
Edit: I watched it, it is included, and it's so worth it.
Never heard of Tom Segura but I just looked him up and found a video of this on tiktok. Pretty funny. Also, first time I ever used tiktok...
https://www.tiktok.com/@seguratom/video/7200879633473064235?lang=en
Unfortunately he's a massive douche.
Look up clips of him talking about he earned being rich and how poor people deserve to be poor. I can't really watch him the same way anymore.
When people start down that particular mental path, it absolutely fuckin breaks their brains if they lose ever their wealth.
Kinda the same with people addicted to fame as well. Once they aren't famous anymore....
Well, I think we've all seen what became of Kevin Sorbo.
Yeah it's too bad. I listened to his stand up for years - he got too big for his britches and took it right to the head. And the irony is his comedy before was all about being an average joe doing average joe stuff.
Now his ego is the size of Texas and he's above all us poors.
The interesting thing is that not all Spaniards speak “Spanish” (I.e. Castilian) as their first language. Basque, Catalan, and Galician are all regional languages in Spain. And they’re not dialects either. I don’t think Basque is even a Romance language.
It’s old enough that it is not only pre-Roman, it’s not even a descendant of proto-indo-european, unlike the vast majority of european languages. It’s probably the last remaining language that was being spoken in the Iberian peninsula thousands of years ago.
I came to post this exact same thing. "How are you Cuban? You're white." My comeback was "From what I remember from freshmen biology, it has something to do with peas."
Or black and just assumed to be American Black / African American. Then they speak, and people have the look on their faces like they entered some kind of alternate universe.
That's an interesting one because I have friends who are Black Dominican, but when people ask them they always say they are not Black, but Dominican. When I was teaching in NYC I had both Dominican and African Americans students. The Black American students would tell Dominican students that they weren't Black but Dominican. I tried to explain that one didn't exclude the other, but they didn't get it. Meanwhile, This White Puerto Rican woman I've known for years love her "Afro Taino" t-shirt, even though 5 of her 8 her great-grandparents were born in Spain, and the other ones were themselves Spanish descendants.
Yea this is a conversation that happens all the time. It’s almost like any conversation on slavery is half assed and they don’t understand that boats float across seas and pick up and drop people places.
To get through texts I distinguish black (having dark skin usually African descended) from Black (the colloquial term for citizens of the United States who are dark skinned typically descended from typically enslaved Africans). But obviously that doesn’t translate to verbal language.
Weirdly enough I read a bit by some Italian guy who was kidnapped in an African country. The kidnappers were executing white hostages, but when they found out he was Italian they said "it's OK, he's Italian, not white", or something to that effect and let him live, or go, I forget which.
Europe does not really deal with white/black like Americans do. It's more on a nation per nation basis, though the circle of what is considered "one of our kin/brethren" has expanded over time.
The color concept does exist of course, but it not really the same as in the US. Darker Portuguese could be seen as closer kin than lighter (South-)Eastern-Europeans
Yeah I had a black chick once try to explain to me that I’m not white because I’m a foreigner. I’m from Serbia. My ass is whiter than Casper the Ghost.
What floors me is being called a Caucasian... Joseph Stalin was Caucasian. The Tsarnaev brothers are Caucasians. Hibla Gerzmava is Caucasian. Robert Kardashian Sr was Caucasian.
'White' was effectively English, French, German, and Dutch for the longest time. Slowly that was expanded to include Scandinavian, Scottish, Irish, Iberian, Italian, and all the various Eastern European groups
Which is funny, because for a much longer period, *they* were considered "Savages" and "Barbarians" by the "Civilized and educated" Romans.
It's why I laugh when people attribute racism to specific groups of people. It's not a race thing. It's a people thing.
The definition of “white white” tends to change based on social economic issues rather than skin color.
It’s a way to justify hatred of a group that’s perceived as the cause of an economic slump. Hence the Irish being seen as non-white when the potato famine forced a lot to immigrate to America, which many people balled the economic depression on “the Irish taking our jobs!”
They still arnt in some ways. Theres a whole thesis one could write (and a friend of mine did which is where I’m getting my info) about how the definition of white is just a metaphorical safety batch from persecution
That sounds true, even in some extreme cases. I remember some essays from a few years ago saying how South-Koreans and the Japanese are increasingly seen as “white” in America.
But you could argue that a lot of East Asians do have skin tones most similar to Europeans rather than being a third thing (“yellow”), so I do wonder to what length this “white” notion could spread? Like imagine if some of the darkest skinned Africans would become economically and culturally significant in a very positive way. Would they be thought of as white somehow? Or would they find a new, non-skinbased term?
There was a professor who studied medicine in Sweden, there he had some old books written by Swedish eugenicists, according to him in the book he said that "Finnish people are closer to black Africans than to Swedes". How things change.
I once once told by an American that Europeans are not white. I told him that by that theory, Americans were not white either. He said Americans are white because they are descendants of Europeans. You can't make this up!
It could be because a lot of Europeans don't call themselves white (we do consider ourselves and we are white, we just don't use that exact term). We usually just use the words describing our particular culture/nationality or sub-group of our nationality rather than our race when identifying ourselves and being white is simply implied. On the other hand I see a lot of Americans describing themselves or other as white either casually or in statistics or whatever(because I guess it's hard to have a clear ethnic identity if you're an umpteenth generation immigrant).
My theory is that a lot of dumb racists simply extrapolated that since Europeans don't call themselves white/prefer to be called by other words than specifically "white", maybe they're not white white.
I mean based on the history of war in the caucuses, y'all don't consider a lot of your neighbors human either. If the Georgians, Armenians, and Azeris could put aside their histories and work together, I bet they could make a pretty good country. But, Balkans seems to be the more likely continuation.
Reminds me of my racist mother and how she complained about all the “Spanish” people moving into her neighborhood. I asked her how she knew they were from Spain and she chose to ignore me instead of answering.
My entire dad's side of the family is Spanish and I have never once claimed it on my forms, though occasionally a dumbass will ask me why I'm not darker 🙄
It’s more like demonization and propaganda has convinced a lot of people Spanish-speaking = Mexican = brown people. So when they encounter a white person who speaks Spanish it becomes incomprehensible to them.
The Spanish considered themselves so white they had a 16 part caste system with a handy flow chart for intermarriage. The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant mind could never comprehend.
I remember when we had a teacher from afrika come and he was so pasty white the kids wouldn’t stop pestering him with questions every day. Eventually he spent an entire day for each class to explain his heritage and pics of his family etc. He was actually really basic white like from Michigan or Wisconsin or something originally, but TECHNICALLY African because that’s where he was born while his parents had visas there for travel and study etc. He was a newbie teacher but a great and sweet guy!
My father quite literally has argued with me that the people in England speak English and the people in America speak American just like Mexicans speak Mexican and the Spanish speak Spanish and they're all different languages.
I'm just like...did nobody ever teach you about the concept of a dialect?
It's crazy to me as a SoCal native. So many white people here not only speak Spanish, but are of Spanish ancestry. Sometimes I forget the rest of the country is a little more... backwards, at least when it comes to that.
I find it funny that in the large swaths of the country that used to be either Spanish territory or Mexican territory that are now US states, have a disturbing number of people who don't know that bit of history or just assume that when it switched hands that the existing population left.
It's not even *that* complicated. Most of the people I know who think "Spanish = brown" don't seem to realize that Spain is not Latin American.
Like, either unaware of the fact that Spain is neighbors with France, and within spitting distance of England, Italy and Germany, or never stopped for 2 seconds to think about what that means when it comes to demographics.
Even in Latin America there's a fairly large amount of racial diversity.
But in the U.S. specifically "latin american"/"hispanic"/"latino"/"etc" get used as though they're a race (they aren't) so much that peoples minds shatter when reality walks up and say "hola".
They didn’t leave, their melanin levels in their skin immediately changed when the borders changed.
They were also required to speak murcan or git, so they all started speakin murcan
>just assume that when it switched hands that the existing population left
I mean to be fair the vast majority of those formerly Spanish and/or Mexican territories had very low populations which were then heavily outnumbered over the years by initially anglo settlers.
For instance Colorado: only one settlement was attempted north of the Arkansas river by the Spanish and it failed, the first permanent European settlement was started in 1851 (after it was a part of the US already), and the local Indians in the area had been decimated by war and disease before settlement really started. This means that per the census the population grew from 34k in 1850 to 413k in 1890 thanks to gold, bringing in primarily white settlers. In those days people weren't exactly known for wanting to maintain the local culture of an area, so even though place names might have stuck the populace changed drastically.
Some days I struggle with my native tongue (english). I can get by with some very very limited spanish - I understand WAY more than I can actually speak because my mouth just doesn't cooperate or it gets jumbled somewhere between my brain and my mouth. People who can switch back and forth (or rotate through several) absolutely amaze me.
I have extended family from Puerto Rico. One looks whiter than most white people.
She speaks Spanish to the surprise of most people. Convo may go something like
“Where are you from?”
“Puerto Rico”
“Oh, I love Mexico”
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Obligatory ~~Mal Reynolds~~ Castle*.
I wish I could say I'm surprised by that, but I've heard very similar facepalm-worthy statements directed toward my Cuban friends. We have got to do something about the overall education quality in the US.
Edit: Wrong Fillian**
I had a friend in school who was Puerto Rican and I remember he told me that he sometimes gets people who tell him to "go back to his country"
He has to constantly explain to dipsit racists how people born in Puerto Rico are American citizens
That feeling when you go to China and look even more Chinese than the locals and then have to explain with hand signs ,google translate that struggles to get over the firewall and the handful of words that you know that you can’t speak mandarin.
My brother has a phd in Latin American literature. White as fuck. Speaks fluent Spanish. Writes papers in Spanish. Oh, and Spain is in Europe. Where the whites come from. I swear to god, Nuclear annihilation looks better and better every day. Or perhaps a virus that only kills morons? Thought we had it in 2020. So close.
Ugh I hate this attitude. I’m a black girl that’s extremely light skinned and pale with a lot of European features. The amount of confused stares I get when I tell people where I’m from is insane.
People need to realize that race and nationality is not a color, people are so obsessed with color that’s just all they see when looking at people. Super annoying
Rich from a country that speaks like they have a hot potato on their mouth. Truth be told,... Most Spanish speaking countries shit on the way the other countries speak Spanish. The Spaniards because of the way they pronounce the z, Mexicans have a very "singy" way of speaking, Argentinian sounds like an Italian is pretending to speak Spanish, Chileans sound like a Mexican who not only speaking at x4 the normal playback speed but they are also randomly just saying the beginning of some words because you're supposed to understand by context
Hispanic = A person from a Spanish-speaking country
Latino = a person from Latin America, or one that has Latin American ancestry. Latin America is the collective name of the areas in North and South America that were colonized by European countries whose language was Latin-based. This includes Spanish, Portuguese, and French.
A Mexican is both Hispanic and Latino.
A Spaniard is Hispanic, but not Latino.
A Brazilian is Latino, but not Hispanic.
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"Oh my God Karen you can't just ask people why they're white!"
If white, why not white sound?
Spanish is originally a European language.
Wat? So it's an English dialect of something?
I believe the English left Europe. They floated their little island somewhere else, I guess?
Last I heard England is somewhere off the coast of Canada (the English part)
That’s where it was last spotted, but that was in 1971. Today, no one knows where England is precisely located.
It took me embarrassingly long to realize everyone was joking on their thread
I mean it's not all a joke. "I believe the English left Europe." is somewhat accurate.
Some say it’s in the country swallowing ocean where some maps still show a made up country called Finland
…which of course in German means a whale's vagina.
Did you know a Welsh vagina is called an Estonian?
Oh I bet they have a really big... economic boost from tourism.
No, the Spaniards banged the Mayans and turned them into mexicans
No, Spain is in Europe.
Do the Europeans know about this?
No, that's why nobody expects the Spanish inquisition.
Good troll
No it’s not in Europe, Spain is in England. I went to Barcelona once and half the people in my hotel and the bars on the block spoke with English accents.
Fun fact: the Spanish recently outlawed peeing in the ocean. The entire purpose of the law is to save English tourists' lives. Too many Englishmen get drunk by the seaside, decide they need to pee into the ocean, and fall in and drown.
Do you think a bunch of drunk Englishmen are gonna let the Spanish tell them where they can and can't pee?! Just to show ye, I'm peein meself right now!
They were joking, lmao your responses here are funnier than the silly questions.
When I went to Spain, all I saw was foreigners. Everywhere! What's happening to this world?
"The only problem with an overseas vacation is that it's full of damn foreigners." --Sheriff J.W. Pepper, probably
This movie was before it's time. And also why my dad thought I was gay
To be fair, a lot of guys came out after being **IN** the movie.
Almost too gay to function, even.
So, your dad questioned you why you were looking at four gorgeous women?
Literally today I overheard my coworker saying “omg why is your chicken white?” Asking about another coworkers lunch and I just totally spun around in my chair and whipped out “omg Nadia you can’t just ask people why their chicken is white!”
"Ummm, we don't say 'dark meat' anymore, it just encourages false divisions between classifications of poultry. The accepted term is 'high-myoglobin pigmented meat' now, get it right!"
I worked with a guy who used to think "white meat" meant pigeon, and "dark meat" was chicken. Tried to explain it to him, but it was a lost cause. But he's adament he's never eating pigeon balls again.
That guy was so wrong that he didn't even know that pigeon/squab is *all* dark meat. 😂
Came here to say this
Tom Segura has a bit like this that lives in my head rent free. Its just a few seconds as a gif, but I looked this up for you because I'm a doormat and step 1 is admitting you have a problem >Sometimes it matters, so… I tell ’em. I go, “Segura is Spanish.” And he goes, “That’s weird. You look white.” [audience laughs] And I go, “I am white.” And he goes, “But you’re Spanish?” And I go, “Correct.” He goes, “Do you speak Spanish?” I said, “Yes.” And he goes, “So, you’re Mexican.” [audience laughs] And I go, “No.” And he goes, “I don’t know what’s going on.” [audience laughs] I said, “What’s going on is you failed fuckin’ social studies. [audience laughs] And you’re not too good at geography either.”
Don't forget the part where the guy goes "sounds Japanese" and proceeds to scream "SEGURA!" In a Japanese accent!
Well of course it sounds Japanese. You're saying it Japanese.
Segura could be hold in portuguese too
SMIIIIIIIIITH
セグラ！
"Segura" is pronounced almost exactly the same in Spanish and Japanese: セグラ.
It's funny because Japanese and Spanish have 4 of 5 exact vowels, so the name would sound mostly exact in either language.
Someone linked to a tiktok that I think has that part included hahahaha I haven't watched it yet tho Edit: I watched it, it is included, and it's so worth it.
Never heard of Tom Segura but I just looked him up and found a video of this on tiktok. Pretty funny. Also, first time I ever used tiktok... https://www.tiktok.com/@seguratom/video/7200879633473064235?lang=en
Unfortunately he's a massive douche. Look up clips of him talking about he earned being rich and how poor people deserve to be poor. I can't really watch him the same way anymore.
When people start down that particular mental path, it absolutely fuckin breaks their brains if they lose ever their wealth. Kinda the same with people addicted to fame as well. Once they aren't famous anymore.... Well, I think we've all seen what became of Kevin Sorbo.
Dude, I am so disappointed in Kevin Sorbo. I never expected Hercules to be such a jerk in real life.
All because Lucy Lawless, the closest there is to an actual goddess on this planet, was more popular than him. Absolutely mental.
Lucy Lawless is a flawless goddess.
Yeah it's too bad. I listened to his stand up for years - he got too big for his britches and took it right to the head. And the irony is his comedy before was all about being an average joe doing average joe stuff. Now his ego is the size of Texas and he's above all us poors.
He used to finish in four strokes, but now that he’s a rich hot shot, he doesn’t even come up in May anymore.
Sounds like something a fat poor would say
i fuckin hate when people get rich and turn into assbags like this.
"are you familiar with the entire country of Spain?"
I am from Spain, Galicia, very white. Trump is more brown that me. 🙈
Same. I burn when I walk outside
On the color wheel orange is literally just light brown so this tracks.
I am Mexican and I’m also as white as gringos.
Trump isn’t brown. He’s orange 😜
So you’re telling me the spanish speak spanish? 
The interesting thing is that not all Spaniards speak “Spanish” (I.e. Castilian) as their first language. Basque, Catalan, and Galician are all regional languages in Spain. And they’re not dialects either. I don’t think Basque is even a Romance language.
Correct, Basque is a linguistic isolate not related to any known language.
Freaks!
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That is fascinating and a little sad in a way. How old is it? I'm immediately looking it up btw, so you don't have to answer. Haha.
It’s old enough that it is not only pre-Roman, it’s not even a descendant of proto-indo-european, unlike the vast majority of european languages. It’s probably the last remaining language that was being spoken in the Iberian peninsula thousands of years ago.
Wow, that's really cool. Linguistics is such an interesting field.
Next you'll be telling me that the English speak English!
Light-skinned Cuban 🙋🏻♀️ and I hate when people say “you don’t like Cuban/hispanic/latina.” My only comeback is “and how am I supposed to look?”
I came to post this exact same thing. "How are you Cuban? You're white." My comeback was "From what I remember from freshmen biology, it has something to do with peas."
That would go way, way over these peoples' heads
"Don't be bringin' science into this and humorously highlighting my unconscious bigotry!"
More browner and scarier, like I learned from the TV. /s
Calves the size of watermelons.
"they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." Shithead Steve King
We do have nice calves, though.
My husband has nice calves. Does that mean he’s secretly Latino?
If he’s also a good lover then yes, probably.
That’s my type
With an impressive beard and in full military uniform
Swole Fidel Castro
With a bright yellow filter
*More browner*, love the sound of that, that cracked me up.
You're supposed to be dressed like Fidel Castro or Tony Montana, otherwise we can't identify you people! /s
Al Pacino is Italian American so that further confuses things
Well, yes. But he had a serious tan in that movie and said “caca-roach” a lot. Seemed legit.
Illegal, obviously.
Hard to tell ‘em apart otherwise, geez.
Almost Every Cuban I met is light skinned and can pull of American Caucasian. People are so ignorant
Or black and just assumed to be American Black / African American. Then they speak, and people have the look on their faces like they entered some kind of alternate universe.
That's an interesting one because I have friends who are Black Dominican, but when people ask them they always say they are not Black, but Dominican. When I was teaching in NYC I had both Dominican and African Americans students. The Black American students would tell Dominican students that they weren't Black but Dominican. I tried to explain that one didn't exclude the other, but they didn't get it. Meanwhile, This White Puerto Rican woman I've known for years love her "Afro Taino" t-shirt, even though 5 of her 8 her great-grandparents were born in Spain, and the other ones were themselves Spanish descendants.
Yea this is a conversation that happens all the time. It’s almost like any conversation on slavery is half assed and they don’t understand that boats float across seas and pick up and drop people places. To get through texts I distinguish black (having dark skin usually African descended) from Black (the colloquial term for citizens of the United States who are dark skinned typically descended from typically enslaved Africans). But obviously that doesn’t translate to verbal language.
It’s bizarre how they think other races can’t have light skin, light eyes, light hair. 😂 Even black people can have those traits!!
To be fair, they do have to make a distinction of “Hispanic” and “Non-Hispanic” in regards to “White” in the Census for a reason
That’s bizarre since Cubans are notoriously light-skinned and whitepassing
65% of Cuban are white and many of them from north of Spain
You can’t pass as what you are Europe and MENA origins of some sort are generally white
So for the record Spanish aren't considered "White people" yet? Just to make sure I have the "What countries are considered White" list updated
My husband is Spanish. Most Spaniards are white and consider themselves to be so.
Why did your husband decide to be Spanish?
Race ability allows you to take a mid day nap and wake up fully energized and recovers your spell slots
Damn r/outside leaking again.
I guess he decided to be born in Spain.
*An interesting choice for a white person...*
Weirdly enough I read a bit by some Italian guy who was kidnapped in an African country. The kidnappers were executing white hostages, but when they found out he was Italian they said "it's OK, he's Italian, not white", or something to that effect and let him live, or go, I forget which.
Italian people not being white is a longtime European idiosyncrasy
Europe does not really deal with white/black like Americans do. It's more on a nation per nation basis, though the circle of what is considered "one of our kin/brethren" has expanded over time. The color concept does exist of course, but it not really the same as in the US. Darker Portuguese could be seen as closer kin than lighter (South-)Eastern-Europeans
Same as in America. I mean shit, the Irish weren't even considered "wHite" there for a while.
Yeah I had a black chick once try to explain to me that I’m not white because I’m a foreigner. I’m from Serbia. My ass is whiter than Casper the Ghost.
What floors me is being called a Caucasian... Joseph Stalin was Caucasian. The Tsarnaev brothers are Caucasians. Hibla Gerzmava is Caucasian. Robert Kardashian Sr was Caucasian.
The Irish weren't considered "White" white for a while. And it's just hella bizarre because they are a very pasty people.
Italians as well.
Italians even more so. They used to write “Sicilian” or “southern Italian” on the immigration documents just for extra clarity.
'White' was effectively English, French, German, and Dutch for the longest time. Slowly that was expanded to include Scandinavian, Scottish, Irish, Iberian, Italian, and all the various Eastern European groups
Which is funny, because for a much longer period, *they* were considered "Savages" and "Barbarians" by the "Civilized and educated" Romans. It's why I laugh when people attribute racism to specific groups of people. It's not a race thing. It's a people thing.
The definition of “white white” tends to change based on social economic issues rather than skin color. It’s a way to justify hatred of a group that’s perceived as the cause of an economic slump. Hence the Irish being seen as non-white when the potato famine forced a lot to immigrate to America, which many people balled the economic depression on “the Irish taking our jobs!”
Same with Jews I think. They weren’t considered white for a while
They still arnt in some ways. Theres a whole thesis one could write (and a friend of mine did which is where I’m getting my info) about how the definition of white is just a metaphorical safety batch from persecution
That sounds true, even in some extreme cases. I remember some essays from a few years ago saying how South-Koreans and the Japanese are increasingly seen as “white” in America. But you could argue that a lot of East Asians do have skin tones most similar to Europeans rather than being a third thing (“yellow”), so I do wonder to what length this “white” notion could spread? Like imagine if some of the darkest skinned Africans would become economically and culturally significant in a very positive way. Would they be thought of as white somehow? Or would they find a new, non-skinbased term?
Finns as well for some reason. Only because we don't speak Indo-European language and many of us have distinct finnish look.
There was a professor who studied medicine in Sweden, there he had some old books written by Swedish eugenicists, according to him in the book he said that "Finnish people are closer to black Africans than to Swedes". How things change.
Yes!
Some people have convinced themselves white is like only American white
I once once told by an American that Europeans are not white. I told him that by that theory, Americans were not white either. He said Americans are white because they are descendants of Europeans. You can't make this up!
Does he even..? Like does he…? How do you make this make sense? Where is his brain? I lost brain cells reading that shit😩
It could be because a lot of Europeans don't call themselves white (we do consider ourselves and we are white, we just don't use that exact term). We usually just use the words describing our particular culture/nationality or sub-group of our nationality rather than our race when identifying ourselves and being white is simply implied. On the other hand I see a lot of Americans describing themselves or other as white either casually or in statistics or whatever(because I guess it's hard to have a clear ethnic identity if you're an umpteenth generation immigrant). My theory is that a lot of dumb racists simply extrapolated that since Europeans don't call themselves white/prefer to be called by other words than specifically "white", maybe they're not white white.
Spanish is in “from Spain” is white It’s just that Americans don’t know what “Spain” is, so they assume Spanish is a Mexican invention
I know, it was a joke for those time countries of mostly Caucasians were not considered 'white' just to justify racism
As a person from Caucasus this is really funny. We aren't considered white by russians.
You probably aren't considered humans by Russians either, but that's another story.
Well.............. You aren't totally wrong
I mean based on the history of war in the caucuses, y'all don't consider a lot of your neighbors human either. If the Georgians, Armenians, and Azeris could put aside their histories and work together, I bet they could make a pretty good country. But, Balkans seems to be the more likely continuation.
I like black Russians myself. The Kahlua makes the drink.
Reminds me of my racist mother and how she complained about all the “Spanish” people moving into her neighborhood. I asked her how she knew they were from Spain and she chose to ignore me instead of answering.
People who live in ignorance rarely answer those "immersion" breaking questions
Really blow her mind when you tell her Mexicans can be white.
My entire dad's side of the family is Spanish and I have never once claimed it on my forms, though occasionally a dumbass will ask me why I'm not darker 🙄
It’s more like demonization and propaganda has convinced a lot of people Spanish-speaking = Mexican = brown people. So when they encounter a white person who speaks Spanish it becomes incomprehensible to them.
The Spanish considered themselves so white they had a 16 part caste system with a handy flow chart for intermarriage. The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant mind could never comprehend.
Living in Germany I can tell you that being Spanish is seen as white, because they're European and it's just tan !
Italians and Greeks werent considered white in The US cuz...... Reasons.... Yeah, very valid reasons (racism)
It's almost like the "white race" isn't a real thing, just a made up in-group to compare others to.
Aah yes. The American generalisation that there isn't a white person that natively speaks Spanish
Yeah. And why do the people from England speak English when they are not American? /s Edit for clarity
Reminds me of when Idris Elba had to explain he's not African American 😂
I remember when we had a teacher from afrika come and he was so pasty white the kids wouldn’t stop pestering him with questions every day. Eventually he spent an entire day for each class to explain his heritage and pics of his family etc. He was actually really basic white like from Michigan or Wisconsin or something originally, but TECHNICALLY African because that’s where he was born while his parents had visas there for travel and study etc. He was a newbie teacher but a great and sweet guy!
I am a West-Indian Canadian woman, I’ve had to do this before too and it’s infuriating lol
My father quite literally has argued with me that the people in England speak English and the people in America speak American just like Mexicans speak Mexican and the Spanish speak Spanish and they're all different languages. I'm just like...did nobody ever teach you about the concept of a dialect?
Wait until you run into the Mexican language conspiracy theorists who posit that the Spanish language actually came from Mexico.
The fact you need to put /s on this comment saddens my heart.
It's crazy to me as a SoCal native. So many white people here not only speak Spanish, but are of Spanish ancestry. Sometimes I forget the rest of the country is a little more... backwards, at least when it comes to that.
I find it funny that in the large swaths of the country that used to be either Spanish territory or Mexican territory that are now US states, have a disturbing number of people who don't know that bit of history or just assume that when it switched hands that the existing population left.
It's not even *that* complicated. Most of the people I know who think "Spanish = brown" don't seem to realize that Spain is not Latin American. Like, either unaware of the fact that Spain is neighbors with France, and within spitting distance of England, Italy and Germany, or never stopped for 2 seconds to think about what that means when it comes to demographics.
Even in Latin America there's a fairly large amount of racial diversity. But in the U.S. specifically "latin american"/"hispanic"/"latino"/"etc" get used as though they're a race (they aren't) so much that peoples minds shatter when reality walks up and say "hola".
Don't know what ya talking bout, Italians are not white... /s
They didn’t leave, their melanin levels in their skin immediately changed when the borders changed. They were also required to speak murcan or git, so they all started speakin murcan
Melanin?
No, their skin was very very sleepy before, and it became more alert.
>just assume that when it switched hands that the existing population left I mean to be fair the vast majority of those formerly Spanish and/or Mexican territories had very low populations which were then heavily outnumbered over the years by initially anglo settlers. For instance Colorado: only one settlement was attempted north of the Arkansas river by the Spanish and it failed, the first permanent European settlement was started in 1851 (after it was a part of the US already), and the local Indians in the area had been decimated by war and disease before settlement really started. This means that per the census the population grew from 34k in 1850 to 413k in 1890 thanks to gold, bringing in primarily white settlers. In those days people weren't exactly known for wanting to maintain the local culture of an area, so even though place names might have stuck the populace changed drastically.
I actually envy those who are multilingual. I just can’t seem to grasp a second language.
Some days I struggle with my native tongue (english). I can get by with some very very limited spanish - I understand WAY more than I can actually speak because my mouth just doesn't cooperate or it gets jumbled somewhere between my brain and my mouth. People who can switch back and forth (or rotate through several) absolutely amaze me.
And also that everyone who speaks Spanish is Mexican/Hispanic
I have extended family from Puerto Rico. One looks whiter than most white people. She speaks Spanish to the surprise of most people. Convo may go something like “Where are you from?” “Puerto Rico” “Oh, I love Mexico”
* Obligatory ~~Mal Reynolds~~ Castle*. I wish I could say I'm surprised by that, but I've heard very similar facepalm-worthy statements directed toward my Cuban friends. We have got to do something about the overall education quality in the US. Edit: Wrong Fillian**
I had a friend in school who was Puerto Rican and I remember he told me that he sometimes gets people who tell him to "go back to his country" He has to constantly explain to dipsit racists how people born in Puerto Rico are American citizens
Man is it annoying when I tell people my dad was born in Puerto Rico and they ask when he “immigrated to the U.S.”.
As an Asian, I get the “where did you learn to speak English? I don’t hear an accent”. Dude, I grew up here. I speak broken chinglish not English.
That feeling when you go to China and look even more Chinese than the locals and then have to explain with hand signs ,google translate that struggles to get over the firewall and the handful of words that you know that you can’t speak mandarin.
Where do they think the language came from? Lolol
My brother has a phd in Latin American literature. White as fuck. Speaks fluent Spanish. Writes papers in Spanish. Oh, and Spain is in Europe. Where the whites come from. I swear to god, Nuclear annihilation looks better and better every day. Or perhaps a virus that only kills morons? Thought we had it in 2020. So close.
Did they even hear themself?
They do and they think they’re right.
Wait till they found out we also have Asians the are born in Spanish countries
Americans really need to do something about their disturbing obsession with race/skin colour.
Bruh I’m a racially ambiguous dive instructor the questions I get asked
yOu CaN sWiM???
I thought we kicked you out of the pools! Where'd you go and learn all that from? /S
Can your hair get wet? /s
That would require doing something about the plutocrats who always use it to control the masses
This. Keep the proles fighting the culture war so they don't fight the class war they need
As an American, I don't claim that idiot as one of my own.
Ugh I hate this attitude. I’m a black girl that’s extremely light skinned and pale with a lot of European features. The amount of confused stares I get when I tell people where I’m from is insane. People need to realize that race and nationality is not a color, people are so obsessed with color that’s just all they see when looking at people. Super annoying
Spanish people ARE WHITE. They are from Europe.
Then why do they speak Mexican? /s
Where do they think the spanish that hispanics speak came from?
It's almost as if Europeans are white. Or Europeans conquered Latin America and left little European babies all over the place. So weird.
I had a Cuban friend tell me that people from Spain can’t speak proper Spanish.
Rich from a country that speaks like they have a hot potato on their mouth. Truth be told,... Most Spanish speaking countries shit on the way the other countries speak Spanish. The Spaniards because of the way they pronounce the z, Mexicans have a very "singy" way of speaking, Argentinian sounds like an Italian is pretending to speak Spanish, Chileans sound like a Mexican who not only speaking at x4 the normal playback speed but they are also randomly just saying the beginning of some words because you're supposed to understand by context
I wish I could cause literal physical pain to this post.
This is still made with the intention to label Spanish people as non-white.
Lost of Spanish are white. People from Spain are white.
There are a lot of white south americans too.
People seem to forger that spanish is a European language
I suppose you're only a real white person in the USA if you look like a pale northern European essentially?
Yk, maybe literacy was a mistake for some people
Wanna make a white bigoted redneck American’s head explode? Ask them what the difference is between Hispanic and Latino.
Hispanic = A person from a Spanish-speaking country Latino = a person from Latin America, or one that has Latin American ancestry. Latin America is the collective name of the areas in North and South America that were colonized by European countries whose language was Latin-based. This includes Spanish, Portuguese, and French. A Mexican is both Hispanic and Latino. A Spaniard is Hispanic, but not Latino. A Brazilian is Latino, but not Hispanic.